[MSL] Grand Final - Page 58

On February 19 2011 19:09 Zona wrote:

heh, usually I dislike it when people question how "easy" a person's starleague run was...but look at great's

vs a slumping leta and a decent soulkey in the ro32
vs action's "amazing" zvz in the ro16
barely squeaks by the currently weak kal in the ro8
another zvz against a <50% in the form of zero in the semis

On February 20 2011 04:36 Subversive wrote:


So much January bashing, Khan bashing and Great bashing makes me sad. I'm definitely not calling going through Leta and Soulkey, Action, Kal and Zero an easy run no matter who you are or what form they're in. Great's games felt a hell of a lot closer than Jaedong vs Yarnc. He deserves his silver at least as much as half a dozen other players out there.

In comparison Hydra went through Calm, Killer, Classic and Calm again before JD. I don't see how the first 4 are somehow harder than Great's opponents.

On February 19 2011 12:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
So where does this leave Great? Great's current ELO is 2047... ouch. His peak was 2071, even lower than Movie's! He's never been even a whimper in any OSL. Did you know he's only qualified for 2 OSLs ever, and has never even made the Ro16? How the MSL? Well, he's qualified for... 3. He even made the Ro8 once! So, that's 5 starleague qualifications and 1 trip past the Ro16 in any of them (technically only one trip to the Ro16 as well). How did Great manage to get to the finals? Well, he beat Canata twice in the MST. Remember Canata? ELO 2020? A terran so bad now (and then) that he even lost to Juni has hasn't been played by SKT in almost 2 months? Fortuitous. In the Ro32, Great gets his 2 needed wins versus 2 super-slumpers known as Leta and Soulkey. Fortuitous. Next, he defeats Action. Impressive right? Ask any KT fan how wonderful Action's ZvZ is, and see if the can help themselves from crying. Fortuitous! But wait, wait, wait! Great then defeats Kal! Hey, Kal's a good player! Props to Great, right? NO. Kal has the most overrated PvZ of all time. How so? Because he is incapable of beating any zerg in a meaningful series! Nevermind his thrashings at the hands of Jaedong. Remember that 0-3 performance vs Effort in KAS1? And how about losing to teammate Modesty last season? Modesty? He has 38% win rate in ZvP for God's sake! In fact look at Kal's MSL and OSL history in TLPD. You'll see in all but 3 or 4 of the many leagues he's qualified for, he always gets fleeced by zergs. If Modesty can beat Kal, hell, so can the coin-flip ZvP of Great. Choking in starleagues is something Kal shares in common with Zero. And guess who Great played next? You guessed it! The Prince of Queens, Cute-choker himself. Zero's weakest MU shows up once again and he is bounced without much strain on Great. Fortuitous!

On February 20 2011 05:19 Fenrax wrote:
Does anyone know what the burrow was about by now? That drives me mad, why would you get burrow instead of... a Mutalisk?

On February 19 2011 19:06 MoonBear wrote:

Could it also be due to the other teams refusing to help? We do know Woongjin's Zero was helping Hydra, Hwaseung was going to help (but didn't in the end, unlikely to help Samsung) and someone translated earlier that SKT1 helped Hydra as well? That's a lot of teams stacked against Samsung.

On February 20 2011 04:54 MountainDewJunkie wrote:

I said this earlier:

It's true, not paricularly strong runs by either player, but Hydra edges it out in my mind because he beat a seasonal semifinalist (Calm) and the best (perhaps second now?) zerg in the game (Jaedong). But who gives a shit how they got here. Hydra got the trophy, bottom line. A championship is a championship. Except for Casy's OSL.