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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
February 15 2011 10:37 GMT
#801
On February 15 2011 19:34 Sadistx wrote:
Just shows how afraid people are to take Flash straight on. They have to either flip a coin and abuse the fact that 12 nex on 4 player maps can get you a ridiculous advantage if scouted last, or just flat out abuse protoss building mechanics and double gas steal into proxy 4 gate allin.

I wonder how good Stork would be if he played terran. My guess is he'd barely make A-team if at all.

Man, after all those terrible anti Flash post, you find only that ?
This thread is getting as retarted as a SC2 LR thread.
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-15 10:38:05
February 15 2011 10:37 GMT
#802
On February 15 2011 19:35 alypse wrote:
Aw now Flash has a losing record against Stork.

Just 1 game. 1 weird game.

Don't need to be an OSL champ, to have winning records over the top 1, 2 Kespa, heh?))))
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
February 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#803
On February 15 2011 19:34 Sadistx wrote:
Just shows how afraid people are to take Flash straight on. They have to either flip a coin and abuse the fact that 12 nex on 4 player maps can get you a ridiculous advantage if scouted last, or just flat out abuse protoss building mechanics and double gas steal into proxy 4 gate allin.

I wonder how good Stork would be if he played terran. My guess is he'd barely make A-team if at all.

I dunno about Terran but a couple years back Stork used to beat Free while off-racing as zerg. Anyway, off topic.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Musou
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1375 Posts
February 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#804
On February 15 2011 19:36 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2011 19:34 Sadistx wrote:
Just shows how afraid people are to take Flash straight on. They have to either flip a coin and abuse the fact that 12 nex on 4 player maps can get you a ridiculous advantage if scouted last, or just flat out abuse protoss building mechanics and double gas steal into proxy 4 gate allin.

I wonder how good Stork would be if he played terran. My guess is he'd barely make A-team if at all.


whoa whoa i wouldn't push it that far LOL

it's true that most players are scared shitless of flash though

though i doubt stork is... this was probably planned, especially since in WL, it's hard to prepare multiple games, so you just have to go standard


When playing against KT, I'm pretty sure they just have everyone prepare abusive strategies for Flash and assume someone will kill the rest of his team so they have multiple chances to snipe him.
POWEROUTAGE
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore884 Posts
February 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#805
On February 15 2011 19:34 Sadistx wrote:
Just shows how afraid people are to take Flash straight on. They have to either flip a coin and abuse the fact that 12 nex on 4 player maps can get you a ridiculous advantage if scouted last, or just flat out abuse protoss building mechanics and double gas steal into proxy 4 gate allin.

I wonder how good Stork would be if he played terran. My guess is he'd barely make A-team if at all.


That is really harsh. Stork's game sense and macro is top class, and his build was really smart too. He knew flash would respond to that with raxcc, and his follow up was the perfect counter. Wins from using all-ins are as legit as any other wins.
Stats. The new standard bearer of the protoss.
Fushin
Profile Joined June 2010
France193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-15 10:39:13
February 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#806
I don't think we should analyze this that much : it was most likely a snipe that was repeated before to counter Flash on that precise map. Hell, January may have sent Jangbi before just to put Flash in the good mental state and prepare the field for Stork.

That was good preparation that's all there is to it.

I'm not a frustrated Flash fan, but i'm a big Stork and Khan fan. This was a great game, but that won't revolutionize or change anything.

Now go get them Stork
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
February 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#807
On February 15 2011 19:37 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2011 19:35 alypse wrote:
Aw now Flash has a losing record against Stork.

Just 1 game. 1 weird game.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=59&part=games&vs=424&league=any&map=any&from_year=2004&from_month=9&from_day=2&to_year=2011&to_month=2&to_day=12&action=Update (of course without today's game yet)
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=59&part=games&vs=211&league=any&map=any&from_year=2004&from_month=9&from_day=2&to_year=2011&to_month=2&to_day=12&action=Update
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=59&part=games&vs=125&league=any&map=any&from_year=2004&from_month=9&from_day=2&to_year=2011&to_month=2&to_day=12&action=Update
Winning record against every other member of TLBS.

... and he loses every game against them that matters. God I hate Stork.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
February 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#808
On February 15 2011 19:34 gen.Sun wrote:
Stork number one next pr

Cheese is not enough, especially when it is someone who can possibly take flash head-on.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
February 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#809
On February 15 2011 19:37 Xstatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2011 19:34 Sadistx wrote:
Just shows how afraid people are to take Flash straight on. They have to either flip a coin and abuse the fact that 12 nex on 4 player maps can get you a ridiculous advantage if scouted last, or just flat out abuse protoss building mechanics and double gas steal into proxy 4 gate allin.

I wonder how good Stork would be if he played terran. My guess is he'd barely make A-team if at all.


Trolls gonna troll.

Flash just got outplayed, he scanned the nat and didn't see an expo, should've sent out a SCV scout immediately or thrown up another bunker. He was confused after the double gas steal and got beaten straight up, same way he beat Jangbi.

lol tell me how u do that when theres 2 goons outside ur base
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yoodeok
Profile Joined April 2009
United States101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-15 10:39:29
February 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#810
Bwahahahaha. I just started chanting "SONG BYUNG GU! SONG BYUNG GU! SONG BYUNG GU!" in real life.

Goddamn that was some sweet PvT. Is this really the guy that lost the OSL against Fantasy? Goddamn Fantasy is nothing compared to Stork unless:
a) it is a best-of-x series that he has weeks and weeks to prepare for
b) he leaves his booth so that his coaches can tell him exactly what to do inbetween matchups
c) Stork is going through the aftermath of a breakup with a longterm girlfriend

For just random Proleague matchups, Stork is demonstrating that he is unparalleled except for Bisu. Speaking of which, even though Bisu's PL record is better overall, Stork just happens to be Bisu's kryptonite <3 SBG

As long as Stork stays in form (a tall order, but whatever) I'm confident about WL for Samsung this year and their prospects for Gwanganri. GO KHAN
Dad works for Samsung -> automatic rabid Samsung KHAN fanboy. Buy LG and I'll cut you
radialis
Profile Joined November 2010
726 Posts
February 15 2011 10:38 GMT
#811
On February 15 2011 19:37 Xstatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2011 19:34 Sadistx wrote:
Just shows how afraid people are to take Flash straight on. They have to either flip a coin and abuse the fact that 12 nex on 4 player maps can get you a ridiculous advantage if scouted last, or just flat out abuse protoss building mechanics and double gas steal into proxy 4 gate allin.

I wonder how good Stork would be if he played terran. My guess is he'd barely make A-team if at all.


Trolls gonna troll.

Flash just got outplayed, he scanned the nat and didn't see an expo, should've sent out a SCV scout immediately or thrown up another bunker. He was confused after the double gas steal and got beaten straight up, same way he beat Jangbi.

i don't think flash got outplayed there at all, i think it was a combination of bad luck with scouting and greedy play on flash's behalf
Darth Saros
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic245 Posts
February 15 2011 10:39 GMT
#812
If I don't scout it, I'm most likely dead. If I scout it, you're fcuked. So how is this proxy build not allin?
Only BW...And everybody and your granny should know about CYBERPUNK 2077.
FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
February 15 2011 10:39 GMT
#813
SHIT SHIT SHIT MISSED STORK BEAT FLASH GGAAAAHHHH oh well ill just watch the vods
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2784 Posts
February 15 2011 10:39 GMT
#814
On February 15 2011 19:37 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2011 19:35 alypse wrote:
Aw now Flash has a losing record against Stork.

Just 1 game. 1 weird game.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=59&part=games&vs=424&league=any&map=any&from_year=2004&from_month=9&from_day=2&to_year=2011&to_month=2&to_day=12&action=Update (of course without today's game yet)
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=59&part=games&vs=211&league=any&map=any&from_year=2004&from_month=9&from_day=2&to_year=2011&to_month=2&to_day=12&action=Update
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=59&part=games&vs=125&league=any&map=any&from_year=2004&from_month=9&from_day=2&to_year=2011&to_month=2&to_day=12&action=Update
Winning record against every other member of TLBS.


wow @@

Weird that he's the one who got the least golds/titles haha
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-15 10:41:18
February 15 2011 10:39 GMT
#815
Everyone apparently forgot how often stork cheeses

2 base reaver carrier was called cheese once, and stork happily abused this.

he beat jaedong on a map i cant remember but that was cheesy as fuck too, thats just how stork does it
In the woods, there lurks..
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#816
On February 15 2011 19:33 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2011 19:32 ]343[ wrote:
On February 15 2011 19:31 Djagulingu wrote:
On February 15 2011 19:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 15 2011 19:29 Djagulingu wrote:
On February 15 2011 19:26 JSH wrote:
You know as much as I like Stork

getting cheesed out like that by proxy 4 gate really dissapoints...


What was the thing Flash did to JangBi then? You should be grateful to Stork because he removed the most boring progamer of all time from the match.


How can you even possibly say this with a straight face.


By watching Flash's bunker rush revolutionary TvP strategy.


that is boring how? are you just going to let protoss get away with 12nex LOL


Of course not. But, at the same manner, Stork wouldn't let flash get away with blind 1 rax cc in every single TvP. Right?


Um, no one who responded to you said what Stork did was boring or wrong. I just think you're very, very ignorant to call Flash the most boring player in the scene. He's easily been the most revolutionary player since Savior, not to mention the most aggressive player who still plays long macro games. He does everything you can imagine, I don't think you can call him boring unless you think every aspect of terran as a race is boring.
Remember Violet.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
February 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#817
Stork: rax cc after double gassuuuu? BITE ME
radialis
Profile Joined November 2010
726 Posts
February 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#818
On February 15 2011 19:39 Iplaythings wrote:
Everyone apparently forgot how often sotkr cheeses

2 base reaver carrier was called cheese once, and stork happily abused this.

he beat jaedong on a map i cant remember but that was cheesy as fuck too, thats just how stork does it

yeah his proxy 3 gates in JD's nat lol... i'll admit i was a little pissed off inside when that happened
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
February 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#819
On February 15 2011 19:34 Fumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2011 19:33 Djagulingu wrote:
On February 15 2011 19:32 ]343[ wrote:
On February 15 2011 19:31 Djagulingu wrote:
On February 15 2011 19:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 15 2011 19:29 Djagulingu wrote:
On February 15 2011 19:26 JSH wrote:
You know as much as I like Stork

getting cheesed out like that by proxy 4 gate really dissapoints...


What was the thing Flash did to JangBi then? You should be grateful to Stork because he removed the most boring progamer of all time from the match.


How can you even possibly say this with a straight face.


By watching Flash's bunker rush revolutionary TvP strategy.


that is boring how? are you just going to let protoss get away with 12nex LOL


Of course not. But, at the same manner, Stork wouldn't let flash get away with blind 1 rax cc in every single TvP. Right?

What does that have to do with what you said?


What I'm saying is, orgasmic Flash fanboys going into a nerdrage after his only TvP build getting countered by an all-in is not a viable reaction. Flash is boring imo and i think i share this opinion with a lot of people out there. This thread was like this:

Flash bunker rushes JangBi's 12 nex -> Completely viable strategy that is definitely not boring.
Stork 4gates Flash's 1 rax CC -> Stupid cheese allin and the only way Stork can beat Flash.

Reality -> Both are definitely good counters against aforementioned greedy strategies. I bet both players practiced against these strategies for a looooong time.

Also, the fact that some people can't think some things from both sides makes me laugh and rage at the same time.

Also, what goes around comes around.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#820
What I find so annoying about that game is that he whips it out against Flash in WL instead of doing it vs Fantasy in OSL.

Super sweet cheese though. Double gas steal into proxy gates. That's fucking hard to deal with.
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