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powerdawg96
Profile Joined November 2010
United States129 Posts
January 29 2011 19:38 GMT
#3901
good day for terran in bw and sc2 lol
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 29 2011 19:44 GMT
#3902
On January 30 2011 04:33 Release wrote:
I watched the first two sets early in the morning (last night), and Fantasy destroyed him. I was hoping for Stork to pull a GGplay, but it didnt happen.


stork is a surrender monkey, every time he has to show some mental durability he gets tunnel vision and completely falls apart or forgets most basic stuff, like to upgrade goon range. The only reason he won that previous match vs fantasy was because in game five he got an opening by stealing fantasy's gas, after that he played like a robot and won
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 29 2011 19:45 GMT
#3903
Well that was disappointing.

I take partial blame however, as I couldn't make it through all the pregame at 5am after a long day. Sorry to let you down Stork
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
January 29 2011 19:58 GMT
#3904
Loved the series! Heart was beating so fast each game. Its great when the under dog wins especially in a 3-0 fashion.
Long live BroodWar!
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-29 20:05:20
January 29 2011 20:05 GMT
#3905
[image loading]

Does anyone have this part of the OSL in video format? lol Want to show friends
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
January 29 2011 20:19 GMT
#3906
Couple things:

A.) Stork did not actually play poorly at all. He made almost no real mistakes and micro'd extremely well, had great storms, etc. Fantasy, on the other hand, read him like a fucking book and outplayed him straight up at every segment of the game.

B.) Games 2 and 3 especially featured Stork losing without actually making a clear mistake at all. The preemptive wraith => shuttle snipe was just an amazing read from Fanta coupled with a sick followup that he had planned from the start (and would be strong against virtually any opening from Stork) and in game 3 Fantasy performed probably the sickest terrain-based harass I have ever seen in a pro match. Stork was manhandled and he didn't even play poorly (despite the 0-3 record).

C.) That was the most dominating series I have seen in an OSL since July vs. Best. Even with the g1 tank snipe Fantasy was always completely on top of Stork and essentially threw him around like a ragdoll for the rest of the series.
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StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
January 29 2011 20:35 GMT
#3907
On January 30 2011 05:19 tedster wrote:
Couple things:

A.) Stork did not actually play poorly at all. He made almost no real mistakes and micro'd extremely well, had great storms, etc. Fantasy, on the other hand, read him like a fucking book and outplayed him straight up at every segment of the game.

B.) Games 2 and 3 especially featured Stork losing without actually making a clear mistake at all. The preemptive wraith => shuttle snipe was just an amazing read from Fanta coupled with a sick followup that he had planned from the start (and would be strong against virtually any opening from Stork) and in game 3 Fantasy performed probably the sickest terrain-based harass I have ever seen in a pro match. Stork was manhandled and he didn't even play poorly (despite the 0-3 record).

C.) That was the most dominating series I have seen in an OSL since July vs. Best. Even with the g1 tank snipe Fantasy was always completely on top of Stork and essentially threw him around like a ragdoll for the rest of the series.


What? You mean expect for the fact he picked absolutely horrible builds that played directly into Fantasy's hand and insisted on going carriers even though he already saw goli range with +atk upgrades spinning at armory when he came in with his first reaver?? Micro's not everything buddy. In fact, it's only a very tiny part of the game. If you don't understand how horribly Stork played from a bo5 perspective, then you should reanalyze the way you think about SC.

The wraith wasn't a fantastic read. It was an easy guess because Stork apparently thinks he can go standard play every game and win. Fantasy did blind counter builds both games. He didn't read anything. Nor was it a very sick followup. It was a basic slow tank/vulture push that Stork had zero chance of stopping after losing his shuttle.

In summary, Fantasy did nothing except snipe two shuttles then laugh as Stork's normal greedy 3 base play got wrecked due to not having reaver/shuttle for defense. You're using a whole bunch of hyperbole to compliment play that was really not all that special. Stork lost this series much more than Fantasy won it.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 29 2011 20:39 GMT
#3908
I can't remember the last time Stork didn't go Reaver+quick 3rd vs 1 Rax FE. It's definitely his go to build, and he should've prepared something else for this.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-29 20:44:28
January 29 2011 20:43 GMT
#3909
Disappointed for Stork but really excited that Fantasy was able to pull it off. I just hope that Stork can keep his composure and win the MSL, if he plays Jaedong it's going to be a much tougher final and it seems like he sort of choked in these finals.

Can't wait for VODs.

Did Fantasy revolutionize TvP like he was claiming he would?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 29 2011 20:46 GMT
#3910
On January 30 2011 05:43 overt wrote:
Disappointed for Stork but really excited that Fantasy was able to pull it off. I just hope that Stork can keep his composure and win the MSL, if he plays Jaedong it's going to be a much tougher final and it seems like he sort of choked in these finals.

Can't wait for VODs.

Did Fantasy revolutionize TvP like he was claiming he would?

Stork is already out of MSL. =/

And no he didn't.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-29 20:49:38
January 29 2011 20:47 GMT
#3911
Stork played godawful. I don't know how anyone can say he made no mistakes in games 2 and 3. Yes, Fantasy really did a good job reading Stork (for example, the wraith in game 2) but there was no excuse for Stork falling apart the way he did. In game 2, he decided it was a good idea to take an early 4th in the middle of a timing push (plus accidentally researching air weapons). After that point, he pretty much did nothing. Fantasy did well to put Stork in a bad situation, but instead of taking some kind of decisive action to try and get himself out of it, he just waited there to die a slow death.

In game 3, he was so far behind after the initial harass and his delayed 3rd and yet all he did with his army was just aimlessly wander the map chasing the dropship and vultures, killing mines, making a half-hearted attack at Fantasy 3rd with like 5 dragoons. There was no way he could just win by playing a normal macro game after that initial setback, and again, instead of doing something to try and get back into the game, he just chose to die a slow death.

Apart from his crappy decision making, his game sense was just really poor in general. He really should've expected some kind of dropship play in game 3 and having absolutely no defense in his main against a drop (on a map where drops are really popular) was really inexcusable. Ask yourself, if that was Flash, would he be caught off-guard like that?
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
January 29 2011 20:48 GMT
#3912
On January 30 2011 05:46 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 05:43 overt wrote:
Disappointed for Stork but really excited that Fantasy was able to pull it off. I just hope that Stork can keep his composure and win the MSL, if he plays Jaedong it's going to be a much tougher final and it seems like he sort of choked in these finals.

Can't wait for VODs.

Did Fantasy revolutionize TvP like he was claiming he would?

Stork is already out of MSL. =/

And no he didn't.


Damn, that's what I get for assuming Stork could go all the way to finals without a challenge in MSL. Kind of mad that he had to play Bisu ro16 now. Guess that's what I get for not watching Brood War for the past week.
theramstoss
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada242 Posts
January 29 2011 20:50 GMT
#3913
On January 30 2011 05:43 overt wrote:
Disappointed for Stork but really excited that Fantasy was able to pull it off. I just hope that Stork can keep his composure and win the MSL, if he plays Jaedong it's going to be a much tougher final and it seems like he sort of choked in these finals.

Can't wait for VODs.

Did Fantasy revolutionize TvP like he was claiming he would?


Stork is already out of the MSL bro
quote? what quote?
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
January 29 2011 20:51 GMT
#3914
On January 30 2011 05:43 overt wrote:
Disappointed for Stork but really excited that Fantasy was able to pull it off. I just hope that Stork can keep his composure and win the MSL, if he plays Jaedong it's going to be a much tougher final and it seems like he sort of choked in these finals.

Can't wait for VODs.

Did Fantasy revolutionize TvP like he was claiming he would?

Nah, he just prepared some good builds for an important occasion that worked perfectly against Stork's predictable play.
theramstoss
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada242 Posts
January 29 2011 21:00 GMT
#3915
On January 30 2011 02:28 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 02:22 kuroshiroi wrote:
On January 30 2011 02:19 Lucumo wrote:
On January 30 2011 02:05 kuroshiroi wrote:
On January 30 2011 01:54 Ryo wrote:
Guess who Fantasy practiced with besides his teammates...

The man who used to advise Stork on builds- Jaehoon.

- 연습 상대는 누구였고, 어떻게 준비를 했는지 궁금하다
▲ (송)병구형의 기세가 좋기는 했지만 최근 테란전을 많이 하지는 않았더라. 최근 스타일을 파악하지는 못했지만 기존에 하던 스타일대로 할 것이라 생각하고 준비했다. MBC게임의 김재훈 선수와 게임을 한 것 외에 팀원들과 연습을 했다.
Seriously Stork, you should've called Flash.

Why would you make such a dumb comment? Flash was called by Fantasy first and thus wouldn't have helped Stork anyway.

/edit: Meh, Ryo was faster. Always so annoying when people without knowledge are spouting nonsense -.-

He didn't even try calling him. It didn't even occur to him, apparently.

And I know everything about what Flash said, I'm commenting on the fact that Stork specifically said he didn't think of calling Flash in his pre-game smack talk

On January 27 2011 01:25 baubo wrote:
Q: Who have you been practicing with?
A: Fantasy has tied up Flash so he can't practice against me. Actually, I didn't even go looking for Flash. I have 5 terrans on my own team, and I don't feel their abilities are sub-par. So even practicing with them has already taken up my entire schedule.


Khan/Stork just way too laid back. If you want to win gold, you have to be more aggressive.

SKT coaches are better than Khan coaches in this respect. When Ssak had to play Flash in MSL, who did Oov get to help him practice? Light.

Stork should have contacted Flash right after he qualified for the OSL finals. And maybe even block Jaehoon from practicing with Fantasy.


Why jaehoon? Doesn't fantasy have bisu?
quote? what quote?
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
January 29 2011 21:09 GMT
#3916
On January 30 2011 06:00 theramstoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2011 02:28 Ryo wrote:
On January 30 2011 02:22 kuroshiroi wrote:
On January 30 2011 02:19 Lucumo wrote:
On January 30 2011 02:05 kuroshiroi wrote:
On January 30 2011 01:54 Ryo wrote:
Guess who Fantasy practiced with besides his teammates...

The man who used to advise Stork on builds- Jaehoon.

- 연습 상대는 누구였고, 어떻게 준비를 했는지 궁금하다
▲ (송)병구형의 기세가 좋기는 했지만 최근 테란전을 많이 하지는 않았더라. 최근 스타일을 파악하지는 못했지만 기존에 하던 스타일대로 할 것이라 생각하고 준비했다. MBC게임의 김재훈 선수와 게임을 한 것 외에 팀원들과 연습을 했다.
Seriously Stork, you should've called Flash.

Why would you make such a dumb comment? Flash was called by Fantasy first and thus wouldn't have helped Stork anyway.

/edit: Meh, Ryo was faster. Always so annoying when people without knowledge are spouting nonsense -.-

He didn't even try calling him. It didn't even occur to him, apparently.

And I know everything about what Flash said, I'm commenting on the fact that Stork specifically said he didn't think of calling Flash in his pre-game smack talk

On January 27 2011 01:25 baubo wrote:
Q: Who have you been practicing with?
A: Fantasy has tied up Flash so he can't practice against me. Actually, I didn't even go looking for Flash. I have 5 terrans on my own team, and I don't feel their abilities are sub-par. So even practicing with them has already taken up my entire schedule.


Khan/Stork just way too laid back. If you want to win gold, you have to be more aggressive.

SKT coaches are better than Khan coaches in this respect. When Ssak had to play Flash in MSL, who did Oov get to help him practice? Light.

Stork should have contacted Flash right after he qualified for the OSL finals. And maybe even block Jaehoon from practicing with Fantasy.


Why jaehoon? Doesn't fantasy have bisu?



Jaehoon beat Fantasy straight up in an ace game recently. He's the up and coming new PvT bonjwa.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-29 21:16:50
January 29 2011 21:15 GMT
#3917
On January 30 2011 05:47 DarkMatter_ wrote:

In game 3, he was so far behind after the initial harass and his delayed 3rd and yet all he did with his army was just aimlessly wander the map chasing the dropship and vultures, killing mines, making a half-hearted attack at Fantasy 3rd with like 5 dragoons. There was no way he could just win by playing a normal macro game after that initial setback, and again, instead of doing something to try and get back into the game, he just chose to die a slow death.


the only answer in this situation was trying to straigh attack towards fantasy main base, and that would end by suicide all army in 90% of cases. No transition was possible from there, as fantasy's harras was striking his eco and scouting main base to see any possible threats. In short- initial succesfull harras was close to game ender. When Stork made a poor work with defending it, it was instantly over.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 29 2011 21:17 GMT
#3918
Ah nothing better then waking up seeing Stork get 3-0'd lolol thank you god. Grats Fantasy love reading the complaints about how bad stork played ^^.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 29 2011 21:19 GMT
#3919
On January 30 2011 06:17 blade55555 wrote:
Ah nothing better then waking up seeing Stork get 3-0'd lolol thank you god. Grats Fantasy love reading the complaints about how bad stork played ^^.

You've got a terrible attitude.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
January 29 2011 21:38 GMT
#3920
Stork slumping so hard now after his complete dominance O_O out of MSL and OSL consecutively without putting up any resistance whatsover
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