On January 22 2011 13:28 hacklebeast wrote: ARRGGHH sun just needs to go away
I would rather see about 9 people on SKT before him:
Bisu Best ssak hyuk s2 soo kwanro oov jyj
There, 9
Developing new players is a pretty good idea. Sun's definitely got talent. I realize I'm a KHAN fan, but Sun's 3rd right now for me on SKT in terms of level of play: Bisu, fantasy, Sun, BeSt, some Zerg or other?
I haven't seen ggaemo much, but has his recent success been attributed to these gimmicky strategies? (Not to say I'm not in favor of it; ACE doesn't get too much practice time)
On January 22 2011 13:28 hacklebeast wrote: ARRGGHH sun just needs to go away
I would rather see about 9 people on SKT before him:
Bisu Best ssak hyuk s2 soo kwanro oov jyj
There, 9
Developing new players is a pretty good idea. Sun's definitely got talent. I realize I'm a KHAN fan, but Sun's 3rd right now for me on SKT in terms of level of play: Bisu, fantasy, Sun, BeSt, some Zerg or other?
Sun is third right now in level of play time. I understand that development is inportant, but there are other players that I would rather them develop. ssak, paralyze, soo, s2. I don't see what makes him so special. He has average/above average pvp, but nothing else, kind of like pure.
took a quick look at the tlpd, he isnt good at pvp either
Aww, I come back to Sun losing. I really like him, he's such a promising rookie. Better luck next time though, Sun, I mean Rain! Nah I'll just call you Sun still, I don't like Rain much. ;P
On January 22 2011 13:36 Never.Say.GG wrote: I haven't seen ggaemo much, but has his recent success been attributed to these gimmicky strategies? (Not to say I'm not in favor of it; ACE doesn't get too much practice time)
nope, he has improved tremendously ever since his entry into ACE. so much that people are calling him Kim JaeDong (his family name Kim + Jaedong's name for playing as well as Jaedong, plus the fact that Ggaemo was from Jaedong Oz, where he did not get much playtime)
I still can't get over the fact Sun changed his name to Rain, that's just soo funny for some reason. Coach doesn't have to send Bisu at all, could send out Kwanro to snipe ZvZ. (or maybe that's wishful thinking, I just want to see Kwanro play)
On January 22 2011 13:42 Count9 wrote: I still can't get over the fact Sun changed his name to Rain, that's just soo funny for some reason. Coach doesn't have to send Bisu at all, could send out Kwanro to snipe ZvZ. (or maybe that's wishful thinking, I just want to see Kwanro play)
Bisu mostly goes on a 7- or 8- game streak of PvZ wins. His high is 11. He's currently at 7. Clearly, he's due for a loss, and ggaemo is ... okay, ggaemo actually struggles with ZvP so I have no idea.
On January 22 2011 14:02 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Terrible gg timing from ggaemo. Not sure what he was thinking there other than maybe wanting to tire Bisu out just that little bit more???
i don't think that would work because bisu could just play with with 40 apm amoving his zealots to ggaemo's base and still win lol
On January 22 2011 14:02 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Terrible gg timing from ggaemo. Not sure what he was thinking there other than maybe wanting to tire Bisu out just that little bit more???
i don't think that would work because bisu could just play with with 40 apm amoving his zealots to ggaemo's base and still win lol
Yeah, agreed. Rly made no sense. I was trying to give ggaemo the benefit of the doubt that there was some logic behind it
I think the reason why Bisu is so successful in PvZ is because he's able to hit perfect timings in the mid game. If we analyze the ZvP matchup, Zerg is strong in the early, and early mid game (ling runby, hydra bust, lurker bust etc. In the mid to late mid game, Protoss has a huge advantage (+2speedlots, archons, corsairs, dragoon deathball, maybe reavers). Once it fully reaches the late game, Zerg gets the defiler with plague and swarm which make zealots and dragoons weaksauce. (plagued zealots die in 7 hydralisk shots instead of 30+, and dragoons do 0 damage to lings under swarm). The reason ZvP is imbalanced in Z's favor is due to the use of busts against greedy protoss, and defilers to weaken the P's deathball in the late game. If you look at Bisu's victories, almost all of them end in the mid game, because he knows he'll lose the advantage if he lets it get to the late game. Therefore, he specifically executes a strategy to ensure victory in the mid game.
On January 22 2011 14:12 Slaynte wrote: I think the reason why Bisu is so successful in PvZ is because he's able to hit perfect timings in the mid game. If we analyze the ZvP matchup, Zerg is strong in the early, and early mid game (ling runby, hydra bust, lurker bust etc. In the mid to late mid game, Protoss has a huge advantage (+2speedlots, archons, corsairs, dragoon deathball, maybe reavers). Once it fully reaches the late game, Zerg gets the defiler with plague and swarm which make zealots and dragoons weaksauce. (plagued zealots die in 7 hydralisk shots instead of 30+, and dragoons do 0 damage to lings under swarm). The reason ZvP is imbalanced in Z's favor is due to the use of busts against greedy protoss, and defilers to weaken the P's deathball in the late game. If you look at Bisu's victories, almost all of them end in the mid game, because he knows he'll lose the advantage if he lets it get to the late game. Therefore, he specifically executes a strategy to ensure victory in the mid game.
Yes, true, but that's obvious. Why the zergs are unable to respond to his timings is what gets me. His zealots, corsairs just seem a little faster. For example, I don't know if it's just me, but I kind of feel the spire has less hp when his first sair comes out.
On January 22 2011 14:12 Slaynte wrote: I think the reason why Bisu is so successful in PvZ is because he's able to hit perfect timings in the mid game. If we analyze the ZvP matchup, Zerg is strong in the early, and early mid game (ling runby, hydra bust, lurker bust etc. In the mid to late mid game, Protoss has a huge advantage (+2speedlots, archons, corsairs, dragoon deathball, maybe reavers). Once it fully reaches the late game, Zerg gets the defiler with plague and swarm which make zealots and dragoons weaksauce. (plagued zealots die in 7 hydralisk shots instead of 30+, and dragoons do 0 damage to lings under swarm). The reason ZvP is imbalanced in Z's favor is due to the use of busts against greedy protoss, and defilers to weaken the P's deathball in the late game. If you look at Bisu's victories, almost all of them end in the mid game, because he knows he'll lose the advantage if he lets it get to the late game. Therefore, he specifically executes a strategy to ensure victory in the mid game.
Yes, true, but that's obvious. Why the zergs are unable to respond to his timings is what gets me. His zealots, corsairs just seem a little faster. For example, I don't know if it's just me, but I kind of feel the spire has less hp when his first sair comes out.
with regards to the game just now, it's because Bisu went Nexus -> Gateway -> Forge and not the conventional Nexus -> Forge -> Gateway, thus a faster tech
On January 22 2011 14:12 Slaynte wrote: I think the reason why Bisu is so successful in PvZ is because he's able to hit perfect timings in the mid game. If we analyze the ZvP matchup, Zerg is strong in the early, and early mid game (ling runby, hydra bust, lurker bust etc. In the mid to late mid game, Protoss has a huge advantage (+2speedlots, archons, corsairs, dragoon deathball, maybe reavers). Once it fully reaches the late game, Zerg gets the defiler with plague and swarm which make zealots and dragoons weaksauce. (plagued zealots die in 7 hydralisk shots instead of 30+, and dragoons do 0 damage to lings under swarm). The reason ZvP is imbalanced in Z's favor is due to the use of busts against greedy protoss, and defilers to weaken the P's deathball in the late game. If you look at Bisu's victories, almost all of them end in the mid game, because he knows he'll lose the advantage if he lets it get to the late game. Therefore, he specifically executes a strategy to ensure victory in the mid game.
Yes, true, but that's obvious. Why the zergs are unable to respond to his timings is what gets me. His zealots, corsairs just seem a little faster. For example, I don't know if it's just me, but I kind of feel the spire has less hp when his first sair comes out.
I'm pretty certain Bisu does a lot of probe cutting to get his timing advantages.
On January 22 2011 14:23 Zona wrote: FBH with only a few tanks and such left - target fires the reaver but fresh round of zealots destroys all of FBH's forces
did the audience just clap?
I think it was at the reaver getting sniped by a tank.
FBH still with a tank and a few vultures rallied - NOT a good idea... observer watches as they move out and lay mines
Bisu with almost pure zealot? FBH setting up where he left off using mines to shield his 2 tanks - here come the zealots - lots of vultures to protect, but not enough, the tanks destroyed
Bisu with dt and more zealots, FBH's new forces just aren't enough to deal with Bisu's much larger army - Bisu gaining ground - runs a bunch of goons into mines though...despite having an observer
vulture finds Bisu's warping 4th at 1.5, destroys the pylon there Bisu's goons stop it
FBH moving out with another tank/vulture force - Bisu with a ton of zealots and some goons - yikes why try to attack fbh's forces when he's holding the bridge?
Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
Otherwise his PvT is one big "No."
Not like ACE is brimming with excellent TvP'ers :/
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
Otherwise his PvT is one big "No."
Who would you consider legitimately good only Fantasy and Flash? Because I wouldnt really consider Sea or Baby pushovers.
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
Otherwise his PvT is one big "No."
Well, he beat all his terran opponents except Flash since the start of the season. But I suppose nothing short of beating Flash in a series will convince you that he's actually S-class at PvT, will it?
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
Otherwise his PvT is one big "No."
fbh is good at TvP lol
What. fbh is legitimately one of the worst TvPers ever. I mean, this game wasn't bad, but he never had any kind of advantage. And from fbh, this was a really good game.
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
Otherwise his PvT is one big "No."
fbh is good at TvP lol
FBH? What...? o_O
Not joking, he beat Kal for one thing.
Also Bogus killed Snow and Movie not too long ago, someone Bisu humiliated
On January 22 2011 14:30 nodule wrote: FBH's nat saturation was terrible
all-in pushes tend to do that
when he was scouted he pretty much lost
An ad came up for me as SOON as I saw the dam facs going up. How did Bisu scout it? Did he do double obs sneak? I can't imagine another way past that turret wall
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
Otherwise his PvT is one big "No."
fbh is good at TvP lol
FBH? What...? o_O
pretty sure that is tongue-in-cheek lol
anyway the only good tvp right now are flash and fantasy
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
On January 22 2011 14:30 nodule wrote: FBH's nat saturation was terrible
all-in pushes tend to do that
when he was scouted he pretty much lost
An ad came up for me as SOON as I saw the dam facs going up. How did Bisu scout it? Did he do double obs sneak? I can't imagine another way past that turret wall
Bisu did a double observer runby and scouted the 6 factories.
On January 22 2011 14:30 nodule wrote: FBH's nat saturation was terrible
all-in pushes tend to do that
when he was scouted he pretty much lost
An ad came up for me as SOON as I saw the dam facs going up. How did Bisu scout it? Did he do double obs sneak? I can't imagine another way past that turret wall
yep, double obs... the best idea once he saw how heavily turreted fbh was (well not really, 3 turrets isn't that heavy, but at the perimeter is suspicious)
edit: and at the people saying fbh has good TvP.............................. looooooool
he must have good TvP because he beat bisu in clubday group stages amirite? ....
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
Otherwise his PvT is one big "No."
Well, he beat all his terran opponents except Flash since the start of the season. But I suppose nothing short of beating Flash in a series will convince you that he's actually S-class at PvT, will it?
I'm the huge bisu fan and even I admit his PvT is lackluster. Sure hes got a good win percentage and demolishes lesser players but I wont be convinced of his improvement until he gets some impressive wins with good storms, a timely carrier switch, or clutch stasis.
Even now hes got problems with good stasis, he does it on the front tanks when he should be doing on the back tanks. It just seems like hes got no transition out of arbiter/mass gateways and every terran that holds off the mass gateways just rolls him.
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
Otherwise his PvT is one big "No."
fbh is good at TvP lol
FBH? What...? o_O
Not joking, he beat Kal for one thing.
Also Bogus killed Snow and Movie not too long ago, someone Bisu humiliated
Beating someone decent once doesn't mean you're good.
FBH has been getting good success in TvP exactly because he does all of these mass 8 fact pushes or other all in aggressive strategies that basically punish mass expanding protoss players and make them look like scrubs in the process. The double observer trick basically sealed FBH's loss because Bisu basically had to make sure FBH burns through vultures and spam zealots at him.
You push him into the late game and he's just as bad as ever because he's horrible at the matchup.
On January 22 2011 14:31 Never.Say.GG wrote: Dang. 10 W Streak for Bisu, but I still doubt is vP skills (even his vT skills seem pretty amazing, anyone agree?) on a side note, I am going to kill the person who cut his hair unless he cut it himself lol
When he beats someone who is legitmately good at the matchup
Otherwise his PvT is one big "No."
Well, he beat all his terran opponents except Flash since the start of the season. But I suppose nothing short of beating Flash in a series will convince you that he's actually S-class at PvT, will it?
I'm the huge bisu fan and even I admit his PvT is lackluster. Sure hes got a good win percentage and demolishes lesser players but I wont be convinced of his improvement until he gets some impressive wins with good storms, a timely carrier switch, or clutch stasis.
Even now hes got problems with good stasis, he does it on the front tanks when he should be doing on the back tanks. It just seems like hes got no transition out of arbiter/mass gateways and every terran that holds off the mass gateways just rolls him.
I think that his game against Baby demonstrated some pretty nice storms, macro, push breaking and such. Probably his best PvT game this season. He's also #3 PvT by ELO peak. That's impressive in its own right.
On January 22 2011 14:47 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: I can't tell if that was really bad micro by Iris or really good micro by Bisu...
Bit of both. Bisu did great probe micro first, holding off what I think was the most dangerous moment. Then Iris stuck all his marines in a corner...for no real reason.
I love AIR Force Ace. I really do respect them. It's never easy to leave one's passion for progaming and going through military training. then coming back to pursue the dream again after missing years of practice against the youngest and peak players.
Alas, all the players we currently cheer for and love will inevitably end up going to the military. Bisu, Stork, Jaedong, Flash. And they too will perhaps join ACE, leaving the next generation of possible bonjwas to take their place.
But for now, let us enjoy our players while they are still here.
On January 22 2011 14:53 Taekwon wrote: I love AIR Force Ace. I really do respect them. It's never easy to leave one's passion for progaming and going through military training. then coming back to pursue the dream again after missing years of practice against the youngest and peak players.
Alas, all the players we currently cheer for and love will inevitably end up going to the military. Bisu, Stork, Jaedong, Flash. And they too will perhaps join ACE, leaving the next generation of possible bonjwas to take their place.
But for now, let us enjoy our players while they are still here.
On January 22 2011 14:53 Taekwon wrote: I love AIR Force Ace. I really do respect them. It's never easy to leave one's passion for progaming and going through military training. then coming back to pursue the dream again after missing years of practice against the youngest and peak players.
Alas, all the players we currently cheer for and love will inevitably end up going to the military. Bisu, Stork, Jaedong, Flash. And they too will perhaps join ACE, leaving the next generation of possible bonjwas to take their place.
But for now, let us enjoy our players while they are still here.
point?
First and last sentence. Or mere expression of feelings to be blunt.
On January 22 2011 15:04 Holgerius wrote: How often does Bisu open DT FE in PvP? Feels like he does it every game.
Not that often, but he does favor the build quite a bit. It's a really strong build with no real BO losses, just a weak timing before the econ kicks in
On January 22 2011 14:57 nodule wrote: M18M isn't terrible
wat?
Pure BO win.
Meh. Any time someone states "zomg bo win" it's really just lame.
M18M went for the all-in cause he was scared and Bisu played directly into that.
Listen, I'm not in any way saying ''Bisu didn't deserve to win that'' or anything of that nature at all. All I'm saying is that arguing that M18M is terrible based on a game where it's 4 Gate vs DT rush is absolutely dumb.
On January 22 2011 15:04 Holgerius wrote: How often does Bisu open DT FE in PvP? Feels like he does it every game.
Not that often, but he does favor the build quite a bit. It's a really strong build with no real BO losses, just a weak timing before the econ kicks in
On January 22 2011 14:57 nodule wrote: M18M isn't terrible
wat?
Pure BO win.
Meh. Any time someone states "zomg bo win" it's really just lame.
M18M went for the all-in cause he was scared and Bisu played directly into that.
Listen, I'm not in any way saying ''Bisu didn't deserve to win that'' or anything of that nature at all. All I'm saying is that arguing that M18M is terrible based on a game where it's 4 Gate vs DT rush is absolutely dumb.
True! I didn't think anyone would respond to the original statement seriously. Obviously m18m is a megaballer.
On January 22 2011 15:04 Holgerius wrote: How often does Bisu open DT FE in PvP? Feels like he does it every game.
Not that often, but he does favor the build quite a bit. It's a really strong build with no real BO losses, just a weak timing before the econ kicks in
A timing Stork found pretty comfortably.
lol even today I'm angry that Bisu decided it was a good idea to take his HT out for a ride and not make more cannons D:<
On January 22 2011 15:10 konadora wrote: when ITR asked "why do the zergs always lose the moment ur zealots run out", bisu responded by saying "i dunno they just happen" LOL
LOLOL this is the best part. He just wants to do some harass but the game ends.
On January 22 2011 15:10 konadora wrote: when ITR asked "why do the zergs always lose the moment ur zealots run out", bisu responded by saying "i dunno they just happen" LOL
LOLOL this is the best part. He just wants to do some harass but the game ends.
Haha, awesome. I remember Flash saying something similar in an interview after a TvZ, I think it was vs Hyuk. He just wanted to put some pressure, and then it was over. XD
On January 22 2011 15:10 konadora wrote: when ITR asked "why do the zergs always lose the moment ur zealots run out", bisu responded by saying "i dunno they just happen" LOL
LOLOL this is the best part. He just wants to do some harass but the game ends.
If Bisu really doesn't know why...his streak could grind to a halt really easily.
But I suspect he does know and he's not saying anything so others don't know how to adapt. The SECOND PvZ revolution!
On January 22 2011 15:10 konadora wrote: when ITR asked "why do the zergs always lose the moment ur zealots run out", bisu responded by saying "i dunno they just happen" LOL
LOLOL this is the best part. He just wants to do some harass but the game ends.
If Bisu really doesn't know why...his streak could grind to a halt really easily.
But I suspect he does know and he's not saying anything so others don't know how to adapt. The SECOND PvZ revolution!
I think he's just surprised that they lose so easily, I'm sure he has plenty of follow-up strategies. I mean, the one zerg that could really go toe-to-toe with him in every stage of the game lost quite easily.
On January 22 2011 15:25 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: Yeah, tied with Light for most all-kills! One more for the little girl!
Hopefully SKT can rack up some more wins so they can give KTFlash a run for the Winner's League Finals!
SKT is 3-2 with all 3 wins being Bisu allkills. Khan is 4-0 with a Stork allkill and 3 kill. KT is 4-0 with 2 flash 3-kills. I think it's more like SKTBisu and Storksung Khan than KTFlash at this point.
On January 22 2011 15:25 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: Yeah, tied with Light for most all-kills! One more for the little girl!
Hopefully SKT can rack up some more wins so they can give KTFlash a run for the Winner's League Finals!
SKT is 3-2 with all 3 wins being Bisu allkills. Khan is 4-0 with a Stork allkill and 3 kill. KT is 4-0 with 2 flash 3-kills. I think it's more like SKTBisu and Storksung Khan than KTFlash at this point.
I think both SKT and Samsung get the benefit of the doubt for a little longer because they weren't one-man teams in the first two rounds. That said, if this keeps up for another couple of matches, I will definitely agree.
(and really, there's not much of a difference between a 3-kill+all-kill and two 3-kills, so I think that's a weak point)
Bisu is amazing, but Im worried for the rest of SKT. It might just be that Fanta is in the OSL final, but no one seems to be doing that great besides Bisu
On January 22 2011 15:41 1Eris1 wrote: Bisu is amazing, but Im worried for the rest of SKT. It might just be that Fanta is in the OSL final, but no one seems to be doing that great besides Bisu
Sun playing solidly, considering he's only a rookie, but Fantasy has been a huge disappointment thus far
On January 22 2011 15:40 Elyvilon wrote: (and really, there's not much of a difference between a 3-kill+all-kill and two 3-kills, so I think that's a weak point)
There is a difference. KT and Khan didn't have to send out Flash and Stork to go against Ace.
On January 22 2011 15:41 1Eris1 wrote: Bisu is amazing, but Im worried for the rest of SKT. It might just be that Fanta is in the OSL final, but no one seems to be doing that great besides Bisu
Sun playing solidly, considering he's only a rookie, but Fantasy has been a huge disappointment thus far
Yeah but I feel like another veteran needs to step up. Bisu's good, but he can't all kill every single match
On January 22 2011 15:40 Elyvilon wrote: (and really, there's not much of a difference between a 3-kill+all-kill and two 3-kills, so I think that's a weak point)
There is a difference. KT and Khan didn't have to send out Flash and Stork to go against Ace.
That part wasn't about SKT, it was comparing Stork's and Flash's records.
On January 22 2011 15:41 1Eris1 wrote: Bisu is amazing, but Im worried for the rest of SKT. It might just be that Fanta is in the OSL final, but no one seems to be doing that great besides Bisu
Sun playing solidly, considering he's only a rookie, but Fantasy has been a huge disappointment thus far
Yeah but I feel like another veteran needs to step up. Bisu's good, but he can't all kill every single match
BvZ just hit a new ELO peak and is just 1 point below JvZ's current ELO.
BvZ right is the 5th best ELO of all time for the matchup and the closest Protoss is 10 places behind. Gotta hand it to Bisu it really is incredible how he can be so good in a matchup so many other Protoss struggle with.
On January 22 2011 15:41 1Eris1 wrote: Bisu is amazing, but Im worried for the rest of SKT. It might just be that Fanta is in the OSL final, but no one seems to be doing that great besides Bisu
Sun playing solidly, considering he's only a rookie, but Fantasy has been a huge disappointment thus far
Yeah but I feel like another veteran needs to step up. Bisu's good, but he can't all kill every single match
I feel like by the end of this round, SKT's most solid lineup will be Bisu/Best/s2/Ssak
On January 22 2011 15:41 1Eris1 wrote: Bisu is amazing, but Im worried for the rest of SKT. It might just be that Fanta is in the OSL final, but no one seems to be doing that great besides Bisu
Sun playing solidly, considering he's only a rookie, but Fantasy has been a huge disappointment thus far
Yeah but I feel like another veteran needs to step up. Bisu's good, but he can't all kill every single match
I feel like by the end of this round, SKT's most solid lineup will be Bisu/Best/s2/Ssak
I think you're really overrating s2 there, I just don't see him being more than a mediocre zerg w/ good luck sometimes. Sun however has potential, and I'd say he'll definitely be a pillar for SKT in the future.
On January 22 2011 15:41 1Eris1 wrote: Bisu is amazing, but Im worried for the rest of SKT. It might just be that Fanta is in the OSL final, but no one seems to be doing that great besides Bisu
Sun playing solidly, considering he's only a rookie, but Fantasy has been a huge disappointment thus far
Yeah but I feel like another veteran needs to step up. Bisu's good, but he can't all kill every single match
I feel like by the end of this round, SKT's most solid lineup will be Bisu/Best/s2/Ssak
I think you're really overrating s2 there, I just don't see him being more than a mediocre zerg w/ good luck sometimes. Sun however has potential, and I'd say he'll definitely be a pillar for SKT in the future.
1) s2 is the SKT zerg who has the strongest vP I think, which is becoming increasingly valuable 2) SKT zergs tend to step it up only and when the rest of the team is failing
I agree that Sun has potential (Paralyze as well) - out of SKT's up-and-coming players, Sun leads the pack. However, it seems that Sun has inherited Bisu's sometimes dubious decision making and occasional tendency to fail unexplainably. If he can correct that, then Sun becomes a pillar of SKT; I feel like Sun will be inconsistent until that happens.
On January 22 2011 14:57 nodule wrote: M18M isn't terrible
wat?
Pure BO win.
Meh. Any time someone states "zomg bo win" it's really just lame.
M18M went for the all-in cause he was scared and Bisu played directly into that.
Listen, I'm not in any way saying ''Bisu didn't deserve to win that'' or anything of that nature at all. All I'm saying is that arguing that M18M is terrible based on a game where it's 4 Gate vs DT rush is absolutely dumb.
True! I didn't think anyone would respond to the original statement seriously. Obviously m18m is a megaballer.
I should of added a smiley to signify that i was just poking fun -_-
On January 22 2011 15:41 1Eris1 wrote: Bisu is amazing, but Im worried for the rest of SKT. It might just be that Fanta is in the OSL final, but no one seems to be doing that great besides Bisu
Sun playing solidly, considering he's only a rookie, but Fantasy has been a huge disappointment thus far
Yeah but I feel like another veteran needs to step up. Bisu's good, but he can't all kill every single match
I feel like by the end of this round, SKT's most solid lineup will be Bisu/HairToss/BeeToss/T1sucksballzwithoutmeToss
It's more like Sun is just getting some play time. They haven't even called on Fantasy or Best this WL pretty much. They don't get a chance with Bisu being stupid fire atm.
Wah, Bisu all-killing ACE... I can't believe it (and that is why I fail). Though you're really are disapointing Fanta, you're the only player left on SKT I kinda like tsss. WP GGaemo too^^
ggaemo hit his highest ELO peak after the game with Sun as well as highest vP ELO peak. The loss to Bisu did cost him 4 point in vP Elo and 5 point in overall ELO.
On January 22 2011 15:25 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: Yeah, tied with Light for most all-kills! One more for the little girl!
Hopefully SKT can rack up some more wins so they can give KTFlash a run for the Winner's League Finals!
SKT is 3-2 with all 3 wins being Bisu allkills. Khan is 4-0 with a Stork allkill and 3 kill. KT is 4-0 with 2 flash 3-kills. I think it's more like SKTBisu and Storksung Khan than KTFlash at this point.
Hey. TurN. 3-kill. You were saying?
KHAN's undefeated this round, and Stork's only got 7 of their wins. That's not quite as good as KT's spread, but overall they've gotten wins from more people. The only team with one player contributing more than half the team's game wins in WL is SKT - Bisu, obviously. And fantasy's good enough that calling it a 1-man team is a little weird, loss to ggaemo notwithstanding.
On January 22 2011 15:25 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: Yeah, tied with Light for most all-kills! One more for the little girl!
Hopefully SKT can rack up some more wins so they can give KTFlash a run for the Winner's League Finals!
SKT is 3-2 with all 3 wins being Bisu allkills. Khan is 4-0 with a Stork allkill and 3 kill. KT is 4-0 with 2 flash 3-kills. I think it's more like SKTBisu and Storksung Khan than KTFlash at this point.
Hey. TurN. 3-kill. You were saying?
KHAN's undefeated this round, and Stork's only got 7 of their wins. That's not quite as good as KT's spread, but overall they've gotten wins from more people. The only team with one player contributing more than half the team's game wins in WL is SKT - Bisu, obviously. And fantasy's good enough that calling it a 1-man team is a little weird, loss to ggaemo notwithstanding.
Yeah, TurN did get a 3-kill... against ACE... Who hasn't done that?
On January 22 2011 15:25 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: Yeah, tied with Light for most all-kills! One more for the little girl!
Hopefully SKT can rack up some more wins so they can give KTFlash a run for the Winner's League Finals!
SKT is 3-2 with all 3 wins being Bisu allkills. Khan is 4-0 with a Stork allkill and 3 kill. KT is 4-0 with 2 flash 3-kills. I think it's more like SKTBisu and Storksung Khan than KTFlash at this point.
Hey. TurN. 3-kill. You were saying?
KHAN's undefeated this round, and Stork's only got 7 of their wins. That's not quite as good as KT's spread, but overall they've gotten wins from more people. The only team with one player contributing more than half the team's game wins in WL is SKT - Bisu, obviously. And fantasy's good enough that calling it a 1-man team is a little weird, loss to ggaemo notwithstanding.
Yeah, TurN did get a 3-kill... against ACE... Who hasn't done that?
I know what you mean. That's why Bisu really should just say he has 2.1 AKs rather than 3 AKs. Otherwise, it would just be misleading in terms of his accomplishment.
On January 22 2011 15:25 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: Yeah, tied with Light for most all-kills! One more for the little girl!
Hopefully SKT can rack up some more wins so they can give KTFlash a run for the Winner's League Finals!
SKT is 3-2 with all 3 wins being Bisu allkills. Khan is 4-0 with a Stork allkill and 3 kill. KT is 4-0 with 2 flash 3-kills. I think it's more like SKTBisu and Storksung Khan than KTFlash at this point.
Hey. TurN. 3-kill. You were saying?
KHAN's undefeated this round, and Stork's only got 7 of their wins. That's not quite as good as KT's spread, but overall they've gotten wins from more people. The only team with one player contributing more than half the team's game wins in WL is SKT - Bisu, obviously. And fantasy's good enough that calling it a 1-man team is a little weird, loss to ggaemo notwithstanding.
Yeah, TurN did get a 3-kill... against ACE... Who hasn't done that?
I know what you mean. That's why Bisu really should just say he has 2.1 AKs rather than 3 AKs. Otherwise, it would just be misleading in terms of his accomplishment.
Light's hyped up triple AK from last season involved AKing ACE, in fact it was featured on Hyungjoon's show.
On January 22 2011 15:25 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: Yeah, tied with Light for most all-kills! One more for the little girl!
Hopefully SKT can rack up some more wins so they can give KTFlash a run for the Winner's League Finals!
SKT is 3-2 with all 3 wins being Bisu allkills. Khan is 4-0 with a Stork allkill and 3 kill. KT is 4-0 with 2 flash 3-kills. I think it's more like SKTBisu and Storksung Khan than KTFlash at this point.
Hey. TurN. 3-kill. You were saying?
KHAN's undefeated this round, and Stork's only got 7 of their wins. That's not quite as good as KT's spread, but overall they've gotten wins from more people. The only team with one player contributing more than half the team's game wins in WL is SKT - Bisu, obviously. And fantasy's good enough that calling it a 1-man team is a little weird, loss to ggaemo notwithstanding.
Yeah, TurN did get a 3-kill... against ACE... Who hasn't done that?
I know what you mean. That's why Bisu really should just say he has 2.1 AKs rather than 3 AKs. Otherwise, it would just be misleading in terms of his accomplishment.
Light's hyped up triple AK from last season involved AKing ACE, in fact it was featured on Hyungjoon's show.
Perhaps reading what's quoted inside the post you're responding to can give you some better perspective? Specifically, the sarcasm involved?
Ah, Bisu and Stork dominating the scene brings me back to 2007. And to think Bisu would have a record-breaking 18-game win streak were it not for Stork and Flash.
As for Ace, losing Yellow really did hurt their performance.
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