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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 16 2011 16:55 GMT
#401
On January 16 2011 02:39 L0thar wrote:
And the suffering of Terran race in individual leagues continue...


Continue(s)? Didn't a terran win 3 out of the 4 individual league finals in 2010? Oh yes, he did..
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
January 16 2011 17:17 GMT
#402
Yess, I hate Terran with a passion and am so glad they have 0% chance of winning
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 16 2011 17:28 GMT
#403
On January 17 2011 01:55 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 02:39 L0thar wrote:
And the suffering of Terran race in individual leagues continue...


Continue(s)? Didn't a terran win 3 out of the 4 individual league finals in 2010? Oh yes, he did..


Technically, in minds of woe-is-terran fans, Flash and Fantasy don't count as terrans. So he is correct in saying that terrans have not done anything for ages.
Meh
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
January 16 2011 17:36 GMT
#404
On January 17 2011 01:55 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 02:39 L0thar wrote:
And the suffering of Terran race in individual leagues continue...


Continue(s)? Didn't a terran win 3 out of the 4 individual league finals in 2010? Oh yes, he did..


Terran race is suffering. A certain terran isnť. That's not mutually exclusive.

If the whole world was dying in poverty but one man could have everything he wanted, wouldn't you say that the human race is suffering?
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 18:01:09
January 16 2011 17:59 GMT
#405
On January 17 2011 02:36 L0thar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 01:55 tomatriedes wrote:
On January 16 2011 02:39 L0thar wrote:
And the suffering of Terran race in individual leagues continue...


Continue(s)? Didn't a terran win 3 out of the 4 individual league finals in 2010? Oh yes, he did..


Terran race is suffering. A certain terran isnť. That's not mutually exclusive.

If the whole world was dying in poverty but one man could have everything he wanted, wouldn't you say that the human race is suffering?


Well, 8 out of the top 15 PL players are Terran, 4 of the top 15 ELO, TvZ is 52.5% and PvT is 50.5% for PL also. There where 3 Terrans in the Ro8 of OSL and now 1 in the final. The MSL is the only place you can really say Terran is suffering, and it has pretty shitty maps for Terran, but last season when the maps where good for them, 5 out of 8 in Ro8 and 3 out of 4 in Ro4 where Terran.

Terran isn't doing the best right now but come on.

EDIT: Noticed that your original post said individual leagues. so my first part is irrelevant I guess, but I still stand by my point.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 16 2011 18:44 GMT
#406
On January 17 2011 02:36 L0thar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 01:55 tomatriedes wrote:
On January 16 2011 02:39 L0thar wrote:
And the suffering of Terran race in individual leagues continue...


Continue(s)? Didn't a terran win 3 out of the 4 individual league finals in 2010? Oh yes, he did..


Terran race is suffering. A certain terran isnť. That's not mutually exclusive.

If the whole world was dying in poverty but one man could have everything he wanted, wouldn't you say that the human race is suffering?

Take out the best players of a race and you can always say they're suffering. You know who the 7th best protoss was during the 6 dragons era? + Show Spoiler +
BackHo IIRC.

Also some of the dragons had sub-50% MUs. Yes they all had 60%-ish overall winrate, but that's their golden age. Terran isn't that much worse right now.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 16 2011 19:04 GMT
#407
On January 17 2011 02:59 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 02:36 L0thar wrote:
On January 17 2011 01:55 tomatriedes wrote:
On January 16 2011 02:39 L0thar wrote:
And the suffering of Terran race in individual leagues continue...


Continue(s)? Didn't a terran win 3 out of the 4 individual league finals in 2010? Oh yes, he did..


Terran race is suffering. A certain terran isnť. That's not mutually exclusive.

If the whole world was dying in poverty but one man could have everything he wanted, wouldn't you say that the human race is suffering?


Well, 8 out of the top 15 PL players are Terran, 4 of the top 15 ELO, TvZ is 52.5% and PvT is 50.5% for PL also. There where 3 Terrans in the Ro8 of OSL and now 1 in the final. The MSL is the only place you can really say Terran is suffering, and it has pretty shitty maps for Terran, but last season when the maps where good for them, 5 out of 8 in Ro8 and 3 out of 4 in Ro4 where Terran.

Terran isn't doing the best right now but come on.

EDIT: Noticed that your original post said individual leagues. so my first part is irrelevant I guess, but I still stand by my point.


Also to note, 4 of the top 15 is disproportionately against terrans.
Remember Violet.
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
January 16 2011 19:07 GMT
#408
I don't get this, how come the first games of the series are effectively written-off? Their results are displayed, and they have no review. Aren't they important too?

Ok, in terms of writing Battle Reports the first game is give, so it does have value in that sense, but still, we're probably missing out on some great stuff if we're not told to watch any of the 1st BO3 games
BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 19:20:11
January 16 2011 19:19 GMT
#409
On January 17 2011 04:07 bITt.mAN wrote:
I don't get this, how come the first games of the series are effectively written-off? Their results are displayed, and they have no review. Aren't they important too?

Ok, in terms of writing Battle Reports the first game is give, so it does have value in that sense, but still, we're probably missing out on some great stuff if we're not told to watch any of the 1st BO3 games


Those games were played at an earlier date. Going into these games, 1 game of each series was already decided and that was to provide the information to the thread so people wouldn't go "But he only won one game, why is the series over?"

They have their own threads on the forum from when they were broadcasted.
Remember Violet.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 17 2011 06:10 GMT
#410
On January 17 2011 02:36 L0thar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 01:55 tomatriedes wrote:
On January 16 2011 02:39 L0thar wrote:
And the suffering of Terran race in individual leagues continue...


Continue(s)? Didn't a terran win 3 out of the 4 individual league finals in 2010? Oh yes, he did..


Terran race is suffering. A certain terran isnť. That's not mutually exclusive.

If the whole world was dying in poverty but one man could have everything he wanted, wouldn't you say that the human race is suffering?


So when there were 3 out of 4 terrans in the last MSL round of 4, Flash was the only one who wasn't suffering? Come on man, the top players out of every race always do disproportionately better than the other players. You can't just discount their results when it suits you.

Also, In terms of results, protoss is actually the race that has suffered the most for the last few years- no titles in 2010 or 2009 in the individual leagues. Spare a thought for them.
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
January 18 2011 03:14 GMT
#411
Snow really knows his PvZ timings, that was an awesome game to watch.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 18 2011 05:46 GMT
#412
I had a dream a few months ago that Snow used a carrier/corsair build to beat Jaedong. Didn't that actually happen though? Like with Bisu or Stork in 2008?
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 05:58:32
January 18 2011 05:55 GMT
#413
On January 18 2011 14:46 jalstar wrote:
I had a dream a few months ago that Snow used a carrier/corsair build to beat Jaedong. Didn't that actually happen though? Like with Bisu or Stork in 2008?

Bisu beat Jaedong with corsair reaver->carrier in 08 on Andromeda.
But it would be more interesting if Snow didn't win with carriers, but rather with archons. Lots and lots of archons.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
FakePlasticLove
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-18 06:08:04
January 18 2011 06:04 GMT
#414
On January 18 2011 14:55 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2011 14:46 jalstar wrote:
I had a dream a few months ago that Snow used a carrier/corsair build to beat Jaedong. Didn't that actually happen though? Like with Bisu or Stork in 2008?

Bisu beat Jaedong with corsair reaver->carrier in 08 on Andromeda.
But it would be more interesting if Snow didn't win with carriers, but rather with archons. Lots and lots of archons.

Like Free?

On January 17 2011 03:44 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 02:36 L0thar wrote:
On January 17 2011 01:55 tomatriedes wrote:
On January 16 2011 02:39 L0thar wrote:
And the suffering of Terran race in individual leagues continue...


Continue(s)? Didn't a terran win 3 out of the 4 individual league finals in 2010? Oh yes, he did..


Terran race is suffering. A certain terran isnť. That's not mutually exclusive.

If the whole world was dying in poverty but one man could have everything he wanted, wouldn't you say that the human race is suffering?

Take out the best players of a race and you can always say they're suffering. You know who the 7th best protoss was during the 6 dragons era? + Show Spoiler +
BackHo IIRC.



6 Dragons doesnt equal 1 God. Even if you took out Bork you still had Kal, Jangbi, Free, Best who were making finals/semifinals constantly. Aside from the last MSL, Flash has been the only Terran to even reach a semifinal, that's not good for the Terran race.
All walls are great if the roof doesn't fall
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 18 2011 06:07 GMT
#415
On January 18 2011 15:04 FakePlasticLove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2011 14:55 Lightwip wrote:
On January 18 2011 14:46 jalstar wrote:
I had a dream a few months ago that Snow used a carrier/corsair build to beat Jaedong. Didn't that actually happen though? Like with Bisu or Stork in 2008?

Bisu beat Jaedong with corsair reaver->carrier in 08 on Andromeda.
But it would be more interesting if Snow didn't win with carriers, but rather with archons. Lots and lots of archons.

Like Free?

Yes, like free. That game was pretty cool.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
lastmotion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
368 Posts
January 18 2011 06:13 GMT
#416
On January 17 2011 02:36 L0thar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 01:55 tomatriedes wrote:
On January 16 2011 02:39 L0thar wrote:
And the suffering of Terran race in individual leagues continue...


Continue(s)? Didn't a terran win 3 out of the 4 individual league finals in 2010? Oh yes, he did..


Terran race is suffering. A certain terran isnť. That's not mutually exclusive.

If the whole world was dying in poverty but one man could have everything he wanted, wouldn't you say that the human race is suffering?


If we look at the big picture (the entire history of BW), Terrans have dominated for almost a decade while Zerg less, and Protoss a lot less

So they finally have a season recently that they don't do so hot. Is it that much of a problem? Terran race is not even close to suffering if you look at how dominant they were overall
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