In 1920, Robert Frost wrote: I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference.
SKT will play their second match of the round against STX, also playing their second game, and this will definitely be one of the most entertaining series of the week, and with good games, all BW fans win. The Winners' League is the haven of one-man teams like KT, and more so of Oz, unlike regular Proleague. The two rounds of WL are a welcome change to teams suffering from the Bo7 format of 2010-2011. Their teams are already doing far worse than before since ace matches come rarely now and, on the other hand, teams with a number of good players prosper, to the benefit of the team of Bisu. When ace matches come 27% of the time rather than 40% of the time, it is pretty clear why it is difficult for teams that are heavily reliant on a single ace to win all the time, since the fact is that the chances of two weaker players winning to get to ace is hard when up against players like Sea, Best, or Leta, who usually perform in PL. Anti-fans of such teams, mocking their plight, often say 'lol ezpz. U suk' when the team falls to their own.
STX vs SKT will not feature a fight between one-man teams, we all know quite well that neither team is dependent entirely on their ace for winning when each team has a lineup better than the, frankly, garbage lineup of Perfectman/BackHo/Princess/Killer/Hiya/Sky or Hoejja/Violet/Stats/Suny/Barracks and an ace, which will always have trouble outside of WL. And when the ace has a bad game, teams will often fall, but these two are the best at still pulling out the win after the ace loses. We will surely get some nice games from each of the players today, and I'm sure no one would like SKT/STX to be 4-0'd and make us lose some possibly great games, which is what I want to see more than anything. By the way, what would be the best thing that could happen in this series? Would you like to see Hyuk draw his sword, showing us hilarity or brilliance? Maybe you're a fan of Fantasy vs Calm, Clam or fail bio control giving us something great? Maybe you just like star power, so Fantasy vs Kal and Bisu vs Calm/Kal would be nice. Any of these could happen today.
On a final note, beware of the dangers of reading too quickly lest the meaning is lost in a mass of irrelevant text. Perhaps when read with caution, the truth will be revealed to you.
Yet another day of Proleague is upon us, and we have STX and SKT facing off with each other tonight. I must admit, tonight's games excite me, not only because of the naturally good games we have come to expect from watching STX destroy SKT, but also because of the potential for an OSL preview in Calm vs. fantasy.
Coming into this game, STX is obviously the superior team. With Calm and Modesty (eliminating teammate Kal in the what was probably the best Ro8 series) both gunning for an OSL gold, and Calm and Kal alive and well in MSL, fantasy and Bisu's pathetic single league positions pale in comparison. The precious Bisu, lord and savior of SKT, is one game away from being destroyed by a far superior Protoss, Stork, and fantasy will never win an OSL, just like Bisu. We can probably see a preview of how Calm will dismantle fantasy in tonight's game.
Indeed, with Kal looking strong, Calm on a resurgence, and Modesty the rising talent, complemented by STX's obscenely solid backup team of Shuttle, hero (Bisu slayer extradonnaire), and Bogus, STX is in great position to dominate the competition. The loss to Khan was unfortunate, but irrelevant in the long run. SKT failed to KTFlash, with Best and Bisu both getting manhandled. Both teams are at 1 loss right now, but unfortunately for SKT, that will soon become 2 losses.
Honestly, anyone on STX will probably all-kill SKT, but in the event that we fall asleep at the computer and lose a few games, here's how it's going to go down:
Calm vs. fantasy will, hopefully, open the night on Circuit Breaker (ssak is a possibility). If Calm wins (and he will), one of the SKT Protosses will come out on Bloody Ridge. Assuming it's not Sun (whom Calm will dismantle), Best or Bisu stand a chance at taking out Calm who's practicing mainly ZvT. Best has atrocious PvZ, so we might see some SKT fanboy orgasms as Bisu is sent out on BR. Assuming he wins with some dumb proxy gate stupidity, he can probably expect a second PvP on Empire of the Sun, which Best will come out on if Bisu loses. Regardless, Shuttle should dismantle any SKT Protoss on Empire of the Sun, and whichever SKT Terran didn't play in set 1, fantasy or ssak, will come out on Fortress, in the hopes of wining and then riding the La Mancha Terran imba. I can see a SKT Zerg coming out on Icarus, and he will probably be dispatched by Modesty if he manages to score a win. And in the end, we still have Kal, our ace in the hole, left to clean up anyone SKT has.
Pretty good game from one player at least. A mistake is all you need to die in a mirror match and the loser did one. Your mileage may vary, I'd say maybe if you have time, but not surely recommended.
Worst game of the players career. And the other player played badly as well. Only in SC players can go from so good to so bad in a matter of a game.
Poll: Who are you cheering for?
SK Telecom T1 (53)
57%
STX SouL (23)
25%
I'm just hoping for good games. (14)
15%
Both! Decision making is for suckers! (3)
3%
93 total votes
Your vote: Who are you cheering for?
(Vote): SK Telecom T1 (Vote): STX SouL (Vote): I'm just hoping for good games. (Vote): Both! Decision making is for suckers!
Poll: Who will win?
SK Telecom T1 (55)
73%
STX SouL (12)
16%
I voted and didn't say anything at the same time. Take that, poll! (8)
11%
75 total votes
Your vote: Who will win?
(Vote): SK Telecom T1 (Vote): STX SouL (Vote): I voted and didn't say anything at the same time. Take that, poll!
NB! You can expect some fan predictions soon!
This is my 2000th post, thanks for all of those who spent time with me on TL, here's to another 2000! Extra special thanks to Finale, who was willing to sacrifice a great thread to keep mine alive!
On January 11 2011 11:01 Megaliskuu wrote: Oh man I hate when this happens to me kekek..looks like one of them will have to go, they are both so well made ;;.
I really don't know what to do. Conceding the post seems like the honorable and lawful thing to do, but I'm really sad about breaking my 2 round long streak of STX LR threads, and I put a lot of effort into this one.
You can have it if a mod wants to axe mine. I wasn't going to pass up a SKT thread, but I see it's something of a special occasion. I've no choice but to concede!
On January 11 2011 11:07 Finale wrote: You can have it if a mod wants to axe mine. I wasn't going to pass up a SKT thread, but I see it's something of a special occasion. I've no choice but to concede!
I feel bad about this. Honestly, I do. There is no happy solution to it. Sorry I stole your thread, I'm just so used that I'm always the one who does STX threads.
On January 11 2011 11:07 Finale wrote: You can have it if a mod wants to axe mine. I wasn't going to pass up a SKT thread, but I see it's something of a special occasion. I've no choice but to concede!
I feel bad about this. Honestly, I do. There is no happy solution to it. Sorry I stole your thread, I'm just so used that I'm always the one who does STX threads.
It's cool man. If I'm going to start sniping SKT threads it's only fair I leave STX to an STX fan. Not much I can do about mine other than direct traffic here and request a close though.
On January 11 2011 11:07 Finale wrote: You can have it if a mod wants to axe mine. I wasn't going to pass up a SKT thread, but I see it's something of a special occasion. I've no choice but to concede!
I feel bad about this. Honestly, I do. There is no happy solution to it. Sorry I stole your thread, I'm just so used that I'm always the one who does STX threads.
It's cool man. If I'm going to start sniping SKT threads it's only fair I leave STX to an STX fan. Not much I can do about mine other than direct traffic here and request a close though.
You are such an awesome guy. I'll repost your banner as an extra as a small form of repentance and maybe I can help you hype up a different thread at some point in time.
On January 11 2011 11:07 Finale wrote: You can have it if a mod wants to axe mine. I wasn't going to pass up a SKT thread, but I see it's something of a special occasion. I've no choice but to concede!
I feel bad about this. Honestly, I do. There is no happy solution to it. Sorry I stole your thread, I'm just so used that I'm always the one who does STX threads.
Aww, I think it's completely Bogus that you're so Modesty like that, Calm down this was just a Classic case of the awesome fanboy hype at work. It's great that people are showing that much interest in starting up high quality LR threads, you're a hero to everyone who supports STX.
Lastly, grats on 2000th post, gogo STX gimmeh my Modesty points
EDIT: Looks really weird having Bogus representing STX vs Bisu, that laughing Kal one in the other banner would be sweet on the kaspra banner. Then again, hoping for Bogus to kill some anti-teams so go him too!
On January 11 2011 11:07 Finale wrote: You can have it if a mod wants to axe mine. I wasn't going to pass up a SKT thread, but I see it's something of a special occasion. I've no choice but to concede!
I feel bad about this. Honestly, I do. There is no happy solution to it. Sorry I stole your thread, I'm just so used that I'm always the one who does STX threads.
Aww, I think it's completely Bogus that you're so Modesty like that, Calm down this was just a Classic case of the awesome fanboy hype at work. It's great that people are showing that much interest in starting up high quality LR threads, you're a hero to everyone who supports STX.
Lastly, grats on 2000th post, gogo STX gimmeh my Modesty points
On January 11 2011 11:07 Finale wrote: You can have it if a mod wants to axe mine. I wasn't going to pass up a SKT thread, but I see it's something of a special occasion. I've no choice but to concede!
I feel bad about this. Honestly, I do. There is no happy solution to it. Sorry I stole your thread, I'm just so used that I'm always the one who does STX threads.
Aww, I think it's completely Bogus that you're so Modesty like that, Calm down this was just a Classic case of the awesome fanboy hype at work. It's great that people are showing that much interest in starting up high quality LR threads, you're a hero to everyone who supports STX.
Lastly, grats on 2000th post, gogo STX gimmeh my Modesty points
...and you/finale for cheering me back up again. <3
No problems dude, being bored ftw.
JD won for me yesterday for my 250th post so I hope STX does for you too, snipe some of them SKT Zergs Modesty. And as I mentioned in my edit, I have a healthy respect for Bogus, he's grown so much since GOM Classic season 2, respect enough to not put him in my anti.
On January 11 2011 11:07 Finale wrote: You can have it if a mod wants to axe mine. I wasn't going to pass up a SKT thread, but I see it's something of a special occasion. I've no choice but to concede!
I feel bad about this. Honestly, I do. There is no happy solution to it. Sorry I stole your thread, I'm just so used that I'm always the one who does STX threads.
It's cool man. If I'm going to start sniping SKT threads it's only fair I leave STX to an STX fan. Not much I can do about mine other than direct traffic here and request a close though.
You are such an awesome guy. I'll repost your banner as an extra as a small form of repentance and maybe I can help you hype up a different thread at some point in time.
I had planned on doing MSL Ro16 Day 3 and OSL Ro4 Day 1 threads. Going to write some content on the Fantasy/Calm match up, but I have a feeling that doing a write-up on Calm would be easier for you than for me.
Let me know if you feel like collaborating. (b'.')b And thanks for the banner include.
Glad that the double thread issue was revolved without any violence breaking out or anything! :D And congratulations on your 2000th post, mustaju! I won't do any smacktalk about STX tonight, just for you.
On January 11 2011 11:07 Finale wrote: You can have it if a mod wants to axe mine. I wasn't going to pass up a SKT thread, but I see it's something of a special occasion. I've no choice but to concede!
I feel bad about this. Honestly, I do. There is no happy solution to it. Sorry I stole your thread, I'm just so used that I'm always the one who does STX threads.
It's cool man. If I'm going to start sniping SKT threads it's only fair I leave STX to an STX fan. Not much I can do about mine other than direct traffic here and request a close though.
You are such an awesome guy. I'll repost your banner as an extra as a small form of repentance and maybe I can help you hype up a different thread at some point in time.
I had planned on doing MSL Ro16 Day 3 and OSL Ro4 Day 1 threads. Going to write some content on the Fantasy/Calm match up, but I have a feeling that doing a write-up on Calm would be easier for you than for me.
Let me know if you feel like collaborating. (b'.')b And thanks for the banner include.
I would be very happy to do the Calm writeup for you. I'll make it good to make up for today.
By.Sun < Calm Coach Park continues his tradition of sending strange picks for the first game by giving Sun the task of being SKT's vanguard. Unfortunately, his opponent is Calm, and mollusks, despite being relatively harmless in nature (just assuming since I have no idea how they behave), this one happily devours its prey. Sun-esque fail in this game is optional.
Bisu > Calm Calm faces another opponent from SKT whose name begins with B. However, this opponent has an "i" instead of "y" and no "n" in his name, unlike the last one. So Calm, having already expended all of his mollusk-rage, rolls over and dies. Unless Calm can hold off Bisu's first wave of speedlots I don't see how he's going to fare well here.
Bisu < Bogus With the map Empire of the Sun and Sun, ironically unavailable for summon, Coach Park starts to have bad premonitions for this match. True, as Bisu's atrocious PvT rears its ugly head, Bogus turtles on 3 bases and proceeds to steamroll the bee. Also, references to their MSL encounter and Testudinidae-hate rage are optional, but if they happen I won't be surprised.
BeSt > Bogus Fortress is a macro map. Best is good at macro. Bogus's is not as good as Best's.
BeSt < Modesty Modesty, still on fire from the teamkill, decides he won't be modest in this match and indecently exposes Best to the definition of Zerg ghey-ness, even though Best is already mediocre at PvZ and does not deserve such treatment.
Fantasy > Modesty It's Icarus again but Fantasy is very prepared this time. Modesty's find his mutalisks less-than-useful and inevitably loses his crucial keys to stay in the game. Fantasy buzzkills Modesty and stands before door to victory for SKT.
Fantasy > Kal Kal attempts a reaver harass but loses at least 1 reaver, and then forgets how to protect his expansions properly from the Terrorists. Fantasy, on the other hand, safely takes 3 bases and achieves the critical amount of material needed to form a Terran wrecking ball of death. Kal, despite having advanced Protoss technology, fails to prevent the inevitable triumph of the simpler, but much more rugged human technology. It's Benzene after all, and to be honest, this map is a Protoss graveyard simply because they weren't the ones who discovered the molecular formula for it.
Final score: SKT 4-3 STX. Though STX is a strong team that has been proven during the first 2 rounds I think their prowess in the WL format hovers above ACE just a little bit.
Optional prediction: Bisu vs by.hero which hero wins. Hilarity ensues.
On January 11 2011 13:41 DropBear wrote: Lol at the guy who trolled your party meeting. You should have told him Stalin was a mason, whether it was true or not! Or at least spiked his tea.
I like both what you wrote (I'm a Calm fan too! ) and that you still read the easter-eggs. :D + Show Spoiler +
The old man was a borderline nutcase, there was really no sense talking to him at all, but at least he didn't try to molest my co-campaigners and didn't push me, like the worst experience I've had till now. "You have to be the change you want to see" is very appropriate, but some seem only to expect it from the higher-ups.
On January 11 2011 14:34 Zona wrote: STX has had the honor of being all-killed by a wide spectrum of players, including the SKT star Fantasy, and the SKT near-bonjwa Hyuk.
Whose turn will it be this time?
How dare you asking ? Unless it's a rhetorical question of course.
BISUUUUUUUUUUUUU !
Also someone said on the previous page that Bisu's PvT was "atrocious". He hasn't lost to any terran other than Flash since last summer. And it's not like he only fought shitty terrans, the record includes wins against Sea, Really who's reputed for his TvP, Baby and Iris.
Lmfaooo, good stuff there Lightwip, it's nice to see fellow SKT fan support! ^^ I'm going to watch these games with low expectations, since STX should certainly not be underestimated... Anything can happen tonight, which makes me worry a lot for T1. ><;;
Time to go take my usual 1-hour miracle nap and wake up to the sound of BW! :D
Holy hell, what a great opening post. I read it literally from start to finish. Hooray for text recommendations number 5. *Wink wink* And of course, congratulations on your 2k posts. Cheers!
Rooting for STX this time- the only time I root against them is when they're fighting my beloved Samsung Khan.
On January 11 2011 18:01 Lightwip wrote: There's a surprisingly large number of Khan fans that don't like SKT, but most SKT fans are huge Khan fans. Odd, to say the least.
Lolz, I think it's because they have Stork and we have Bisu... And it gets ugly when fanboys clash.... ;P
On January 11 2011 18:01 Lightwip wrote: There's a surprisingly large number of Khan fans that don't like SKT, but most SKT fans are huge Khan fans. Odd, to say the least.
On January 11 2011 18:01 Lightwip wrote: There's a surprisingly large number of Khan fans that don't like SKT, but most SKT fans are huge Khan fans. Odd, to say the least.
Everyone loves Khan for Stork and the spirit of FBH.
S2 uses a temporary Evo chamber as a great simcity, but he has very few drones and Calm's keeping up the ling aggression. S2 either has to stay home and restock drones, or go all-in.
Calm loses too many Zerglings and fails to snipe the sunken. S2 is no longer behind on drones and gets a scout in via zergling, sees Calm has no Lair (although he IS mining gas).
Calm taking a ninja expo; S2 won't be able to kill it even if he sees it because S2 needs his mutas to defend from mass ling or from muta backstabs (as he has no spores).
I was hoping for s2 to pull a miracle comeback, especially after he stayed in the game with 3 drones and a hero sunken. Alas, Calm was too good to let his massive lead slip.
Man Calm was playing it super safe there once he got ahead early. Wise to do it that way but torture for us SKT fans knowing it was only a matter of time before s2 was rolled with superior numbers.
I don't know, I felt that it was too one-sided, and that it was a matter of build orders...?
Then again, I hate 99% of all ZvZs, so if you like Calm, then go for it, watching him roll over s2. s2's performance was just... Well, if I could sum up that whole game, it would be "s2, you a stubborn, stubborn man."
Gahhh, that annoying rapper again, I remember when I saw him with that poor girl!! *Turns off sound*
On January 11 2011 18:01 Lightwip wrote: There's a surprisingly large number of Khan fans that don't like SKT, but most SKT fans are huge Khan fans. Odd, to say the least.
i am more of a player-fan over a team fan. my favorite team is Woongjin, but my favorite players are jaedong and midas. i dont care for Hwaseung or FOX though; just like them for the 2 players they have which i love
On January 11 2011 18:01 Lightwip wrote: There's a surprisingly large number of Khan fans that don't like SKT, but most SKT fans are huge Khan fans. Odd, to say the least.
Here come Bisu's zealots heading towards Calm's base, Calm's scourge take a peek at Bisu's base, Calm throwing down several sunkens, ahhh stream lags into zealots getting a few drones then fleeing
thank you so much for the text recommendations! i basically stopped watching vods since everything is only bar-diagramms everywhere these days and i hate those
But seriously, well played to both players. Definitely watch this game, an excellent PvZ match with tons of intense action happening everywhere. (Plus you get to see a rare appearance of queens + ensare!!)
very amazing decision making by bisu.. and calm played very well too. i think the problem for calm was getting that 4th expo. it was very hard for him to take it so it was more delayed than usual.
On January 11 2011 19:02 ArvickHero wrote: omfg not sure how bisu is winning this, lategame PvZ looks so unfavorable for Protoss D:
Lategame PvZ is actually very good for toss. You get that enormous Archon/Reaver/Ht deathball that eats everything
Ya, once you get to late-game in a decent position Protoss is really strong. When I began watching BW is used to think that PvZ was extremely imbalanced in Protoss favour due to all the awesome stuff they could whip out in the late-game.
I feel like i should be watching sc 1 insteed of sc 2. OSL had great games, JD vs Baby was great and now this game. sc 2 just produce short games and usually an easy buid order wins, IMO sc1 produce more entertaiment.
On January 11 2011 19:09 sh02hp0869 wrote: I feel like i should be watching sc 1 insteed of sc 2. OSL had great games, JD vs Baby was great and now this game. sc 2 just produce short games and usually an easy buid order wins.
Yeah, most of the SC2 games at the moment are quite boring. So many allin-ish play and buildorder wins. T_T
On January 11 2011 19:09 sh02hp0869 wrote: I feel like i should be watching sc 1 insteed of sc 2. OSL had great games, JD vs Baby was great and now this game. sc 2 just produce short games and usually an easy buid order wins.
Lmfao definitely, you've been missing out! Stay with us and watch some more exciting games :D
On January 11 2011 19:09 sh02hp0869 wrote: I feel like i should be watching sc 1 insteed of sc 2. OSL had great games, JD vs Baby was great and now this game. sc 2 just produce short games and usually an easy buid order wins.
Yeah, most of the SC2 games at the moment are quite boring. So many allin-ish play and buildorder wins. T_T
On January 11 2011 19:02 ArvickHero wrote: omfg not sure how bisu is winning this, lategame PvZ looks so unfavorable for Protoss D:
Archons, Reavers, Dark Archons, and Templar are pretty sick. Lategame, Protoss can afford all of them in the same army.
Plague/DS + lurkers >>> everything imo, unless you have fuckin sickass micro+multitask like Bisu
Protoss Deathball > Everything a Zerg can throw at it.
It all comes down to bases. A Protoss death ball backed by few bases can be whittled down by mass crackling, let alone crackling/ultra/plague/swarm. Protoss needs gas flowing in to get more storms and replace the few gas units they allow to die, and minerals flowing in to pile on the Zealots to protect their gas units.
It's not easy for Protoss to protect multiple bases at once against the faster Zerg, particularly after Swarm disables Photon Cannons and Adrenal Glands + Zergling Attack Upgrades + 3 Carapace makes Zerglings > Zealots.
On the flip side, Zerg has to protect his own bases from drops, stealth harass, overlord slaughters, and frontal assaults.
On January 11 2011 19:09 sh02hp0869 wrote: I feel like i should be watching sc 1 insteed of sc 2. OSL had great games, JD vs Baby was great and now this game. sc 2 just produce short games and usually an easy buid order wins, IMO sc1 produce more entertaiment.
haha that Protoss Super death ball. So much gas intensive tech units, which really do eat up everything. That sense of impending doom for the zerg must be sickening to the stomach lol.
Also thanks for streaming Roffles! I missed your Kpop selection.
On January 11 2011 19:07 Holgerius wrote: Sweet game! Bisu's PvZ is looking imba as usual. Calm's build was very confusing though.
Calm's build was very good, his problem was not capitalzing on its advantages (why build two control groups of scourage if you're not going to use them? His missed a great opportunity with those ensnared corsairs).
Now, while I'm really happy for Bisu's win, I'm disappointed protoss still hasn't implemented a build which utilizes the DA. Maelstrom would've worked wonders for Bisu this game.
Did bisu scout the queen / scourges? Because there was a serious lack of sair roaming across the map, usually bisu sairs are always killing something across the map.
Maybe he watched Jangbi vs Calm and was scared?lol
On January 11 2011 19:09 sh02hp0869 wrote: I feel like i should be watching sc 1 insteed of sc 2. OSL had great games, JD vs Baby was great and now this game. sc 2 just produce short games and usually an easy buid order wins, IMO sc1 produce more entertaiment.
On January 11 2011 19:11 Red. wrote: GOD this is fucking awesome compared to starcraft2. Glad i found this.
On January 11 2011 19:08 MinoMino wrote: Great game. So glad I switched from the awful GSL games .
On January 11 2011 19:10 LLuke wrote: Yeah, most of the SC2 games at the moment are quite boring. So many allin-ish play and buildorder wins. T_T
On January 11 2011 19:04 eviltomahawk wrote: Bisu loses corsairs to scourge. Archon, Templar, Reaver ball moving out and rolling through Calm's army.
MUCH better match than the GSL Code A stuff.
On January 11 2011 19:53 Sigmur wrote: Maybe I don't need much to be satisfied I'm mainly playing/watching SC2, but I have to say, overall SC1 games are much more interesting to watch than SC2.
You're like the 5th guy saying that only in the last few pages of this thread :D
edit : I'm gonna make a compilation of you guys (only of SC2 guys, obviously I won't include any regular BW watcher )
On January 11 2011 19:07 Holgerius wrote: Sweet game! Bisu's PvZ is looking imba as usual. Calm's build was very confusing though.
Calm's build was very good, his problem was not capitalzing on its advantages (why build two control groups of scourage if you're not going to use them? His missed a great opportunity with those ensnared corsairs).
Now, while I'm really happy for Bisu's win, I'm disappointed protoss still hasn't implemented a build which utilizes the DA. Maelstrom would've worked wonders for Bisu this game.
Well, where do you find the excess gas + APM to work in the DA? Bisu was already juggling HT/reaver/shuttle/sairs in multiple locations and had to pump normal Archon to deal with the crackling.
On January 11 2011 19:12 Elefanto wrote: Did bisu scout the queen / scourges? Because there was a serious lack of sair roaming across the map, usually bisu sairs are always killing something across the map.
Maybe he watched Jangbi vs Calm and was scared?lol
His obs spotted the queen, but a little too late, since it rushed past it to spit some parasites at his sairs.
Man, my heart's still pumping like crazy after that last game. Great play by both players. Calm especially appears to be getting back to some of his best form. Good to see.
Not your usual Bisu PvZ either. Very little harass after his initial pokes. Unlike his PvT he knows when not to overdo it and preserve his early zealots. I was concerned that Bisu had overdone the Corsairs, but he managed to use them to his advantage in the late game especially.
On January 11 2011 19:15 rainei wrote: wat seriously? Hero?? vs Bisu? Why is STX throwing another (weak) zerg into the Zerg meat grinder which is Bisu...
On January 11 2011 19:15 rainei wrote: wat seriously? Hero?? vs Bisu? Why is STX throwing another (weak) zerg into the Zerg meat grinder which is Bisu...
You kidding me? By.hero has raped bisu in the past. He's as good a choice as many other players.
On January 11 2011 19:07 Holgerius wrote: Sweet game! Bisu's PvZ is looking imba as usual. Calm's build was very confusing though.
Calm's build was very good, his problem was not capitalzing on its advantages (why build two control groups of scourage if you're not going to use them? His missed a great opportunity with those ensnared corsairs).
Now, while I'm really happy for Bisu's win, I'm disappointed protoss still hasn't implemented a build which utilizes the DA. Maelstrom would've worked wonders for Bisu this game.
Well, where do you find the excess gas + APM to work in the DA? Bisu was already juggling HT/reaver/shuttle/sairs in multiple locations and had to pump normal Archon to deal with the crackling.
I don't think gas would've been a problem with the huge number of archons he was producing. As for APM, well... back in 2000 I'm sure the type of multitask we see today would've been considered absurd, so until a progamer says "Nah, too much APM required," I think it's a bad idea to rule out the DA.
On January 11 2011 19:11 Masheyoon wrote: Maelstrom would've worked wonders for Bisu this game.
I disagree. I don't see how Maelstrom would've helped much. Calm never had a cluster of forces more valuable than hydra/ling, against which Maelstrom is not impressive.
Feedback would've rocked. Zap the Queen, zap the defilers.
On January 11 2011 19:15 rainei wrote: wat seriously? Hero?? vs Bisu? Why is STX throwing another (weak) zerg into the Zerg meat grinder which is Bisu...
Who are they supposed to send? They have no good T to snipe Bisu and Kal should be saved. I guess Shuttle could've been a decent option.
On January 11 2011 19:09 sh02hp0869 wrote: I feel like i should be watching sc 1 insteed of sc 2. OSL had great games, JD vs Baby was great and now this game. sc 2 just produce short games and usually an easy buid order wins, IMO sc1 produce more entertaiment.
On January 11 2011 19:15 rainei wrote: wat seriously? Hero?? vs Bisu? Why is STX throwing another (weak) zerg into the Zerg meat grinder which is Bisu...
You kidding me? By.hero has raped bisu in the past. He's as good a choice as many other players.
in the past.its not same hero now, he has no july to practice eat with. unless something unexpected happens i see no hope for hero in this game
On January 11 2011 19:15 rainei wrote: wat seriously? Hero?? vs Bisu? Why is STX throwing another (weak) zerg into the Zerg meat grinder which is Bisu...
Who are they supposed to send? They have no good T to snipe Bisu and Kal should be saved. I guess Shuttle could've been a decent option.
Ye, Shuttle seems like the perfect play right now. He is a great P-sniper and has decent enough PvZ to have a shot vs Hyuk/Soo or something.
Then again, Hero can definitly beat Bisu too with some lame cheese
Hydra den + sunkens going down, Hero knows what's coming Bisu's zealots hesitating on poking in while Hero's scourge stalk them, then they go for Hero's main base at 5!
On January 11 2011 19:09 sh02hp0869 wrote: I feel like i should be watching sc 1 insteed of sc 2. OSL had great games, JD vs Baby was great and now this game. sc 2 just produce short games and usually an easy buid order wins, IMO sc1 produce more entertaiment.
Sairs popping a few ovies, Bisu waltzes into the base at 5 again with an archon, DT, and zealots!! They snipe the hydra den and hatcheries! Mutas out now, snipes the archon, Hero throws down a clutch sunken! But Bisu's sairs keep on popping ovies, his zealots are destroying everything, reinforcements are arriving, chaos everywhere in Hero's base!!
Then Hero GGs before burying his face in his palms!!
as a zerg player, that zealot rush has gotten me quite a bit, just before the huge econ kicks in. as only an average C player I know now to put one more sunken up and pump a few more lings. zergs are way too greedy nowadays trying to get that 4th up without reinforcing the sim city or just adding a few more lings or an extra sunken.
in no way am i talking down to the pros. its just so many of the zerg losses versus protoss i see comes from the greediness of the zerg during this similar time frame. its really sad to see. you would think after endless hours of playing this game they would not keep making the same mistake live.
On January 11 2011 19:29 disciple wrote: hero, you drone whore, thats what you get
If he actually used the drones to block before the zealots got to the sunkens he would have been ok . Only Hydra executes this biuld as it should be executed ...
On January 11 2011 19:31 thestool91 wrote: as a zerg player, that zealot rush has gotten me quite a bit, just before the huge econ kicks in. as only an average C player I know now to put one more sunken up and pump a few more lings. zergs are way too greedy nowadays trying to get that 4th up without reinforcing the sim city or just adding a few more lings or an extra sunken.
in no way am i talking down to the pros. its just so many of the zerg losses versus protoss i see comes from the greediness of the zerg during this similar time frame. its really sad to see. you would think after endless hours of playing this game they would not keep making the same mistake live.
but nonetheless gg
if hero kept his lings at his nat, I'm sure he would've been able to block it off. Two should always be enough to ward off the +1 timing attack, maybe even just one depending on the map.
they may send out modesty, despite his performance over kal in osl as there are no decent t players stx can send out against bisu. this is so lame, sending zs 1 by 1 for bisu to kill
On January 11 2011 19:35 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Bisu's PvP has been so inconsistent, if I was the STX coach I'd go with that option.
considering he has his match against Stork tomorrow, it would seem unwise to send a Protoss if Bisu has been preparing very hard for PvP like he should be
On January 11 2011 19:32 HollowLord wrote: Send in Shuttle.
Yep. Can't imagine any other choice. He can definitly take out Bisu. Problem is that his PvT is somewhat weak, so Fantasy will roll him :D
Kal has consistently taken out Bisu in their recent meetings, and he has the benefit of being strong in every matchup, unlike Shuttle. Sending Kal last is a lot of pressure if Shuttle loses.
On January 11 2011 19:33 Spica wrote: Yeah, Bisu's zealots were all like, "Oh look, 3 sunkens. Let's go around them, shall we?"
The commentator's were wtfing HARD at Hero's poor sim city.
Hero's Simcity wasn't bad . the fact that he had no units to block that little gap was pretty bad .
I meant that they were wtfing at why he didn't protect his sim city well and not reacting well to the zealot attack, sorry if I didn't make that clear. ^^;
On January 11 2011 19:31 thestool91 wrote: as a zerg player, that zealot rush has gotten me quite a bit, just before the huge econ kicks in. as only an average C player I know now to put one more sunken up and pump a few more lings. zergs are way too greedy nowadays trying to get that 4th up without reinforcing the sim city or just adding a few more lings or an extra sunken.
in no way am i talking down to the pros. its just so many of the zerg losses versus protoss i see comes from the greediness of the zerg during this similar time frame. its really sad to see. you would think after endless hours of playing this game they would not keep making the same mistake live.
but nonetheless gg
if hero kept his lings at his nat, I'm sure he would've been able to block it off. Two should always be enough to ward off the +1 timing attack, maybe even just one depending on the map.
true but that was terrible sim city for only two sunkens. at the 7 the sim city was great, but at the 4 that sim city needed the 3 sunkens, and i think hero should have known that.
whenever i used to make a crappy sim city i would just pray and hope that the opponent wouldnt spot out the hole. well, they do, and so i always reinforce my bad sim city someway
On January 11 2011 19:31 thestool91 wrote: as a zerg player, that zealot rush has gotten me quite a bit, just before the huge econ kicks in. as only an average C player I know now to put one more sunken up and pump a few more lings. zergs are way too greedy nowadays trying to get that 4th up without reinforcing the sim city or just adding a few more lings or an extra sunken.
in no way am i talking down to the pros. its just so many of the zerg losses versus protoss i see comes from the greediness of the zerg during this similar time frame. its really sad to see. you would think after endless hours of playing this game they would not keep making the same mistake live.
but nonetheless gg
if hero kept his lings at his nat, I'm sure he would've been able to block it off. Two should always be enough to ward off the +1 timing attack, maybe even just one depending on the map.
true but that was terrible sim city for only two sunkens. at the 7 the sim city was great, but at the 4 that sim city needed the 3 sunkens, and i think hero should have known that.
whenever i used to make a crappy sim city i would just pray and hope that the opponent wouldnt spot out the hole. well, they do, and so i always reinforce my bad sim city someway
or he really should have reacted faster with his lings as he had scourge over bisu's zealots...
On January 11 2011 19:41 ArvickHero wrote: bisu nine scouted?
Pessimistically at that, because he is scared of Kal having either bottom mid or mid left, they are the 2 worst positions for him right now, hence the early scout.
On January 11 2011 19:42 Spica wrote: Lmfao, the major outcome people will be curious about after this match is whether the color purple will bestow its powers upon Kal.
On January 11 2011 19:42 Spica wrote: Lmfao, the major outcome people will be curious about after this match is whether the color purple will bestow its powers upon Kal.
Let us watch and see.
It's a pity that TLPD doesn't record the players colors, we could have done nice stats :D
On January 11 2011 19:45 Severedevil wrote: Should be advantage Bisu unless he attacks, in which case he's an idiot. Please don't attack, Bisu, and you win easy.
Right when I say that, Kal makes a dangerous mistake and puts his reavers in front only to have them and the shuttle sniped, so Bisu can push Kal back with two reavers of his own
Yup, Goojira won the first battle ("TWO REABA!") but couldn't sustain Bisu's level of production with the missing econ and got pushed back out a minute later.
On January 11 2011 19:50 Severedevil wrote: Yup, Goojira won the first battle ("TWO REABA!") but couldn't sustain Bisu's level of production with the missing econ and got pushed back out a minute later.
please tell me you are joking, kal played that like biggest newbie, who the hell leaves 2 reavers at front to shot a pylon, instead of nicely placing them and containing opponent after won battle with 2 reavers left kal is terrible.
seemed like Bisu would've busted out either way, 3 (soon to be 4) gate production vs 2, along with bisu getting reavers also. Still, Kal was playing it too dangerously
It's been a while since Bisu has shown that level of Shuttle-Reaver micro. Each player won a big Shuttle-Reaver battle, but I'm so used to Kal dominating Bisu in that facet of PvP. IMO that's Kal's greatest advantage over Bisu.
Shame the game ended that quickly. There was some nice too and fro b/w the two.
Story o_o a guy posted this on 스갤(a Korean BW forum) when the matches started saying that Bisu was screwed, and then people started saying that it would be funny if STX lost in this order... and guess what's happening.
On January 11 2011 19:53 Sigmur wrote: Bisu's games are soo amazing! 3 kills atm, rooting for 4th!
haha you thought the games vs hero and kal were amazing? the one against calm was also poor play since calm refused to move out at the moment bisu was the weakest against his unit composition. once bisu massed too many high templars, archons, and a couple reavers, it just went downhill. basically, calm prepared a nice strategy in which there was a point calm had a visible advantage over bisu but he didn't know when to execute it and just remained complacent until bisu had too strong of a unit composition.
On January 11 2011 19:52 endy wrote: Only Flash and Stork can stop Bisu !
And Jaedong
Jaedong hasn't beaten Bisu for nearly two years now (march 09).
Thats because Bisu has failed to qualify for important games.
Well they still met 4 times and Bisu won 4-0. That includes one all-star game, but seeing how JD had his angry face, I'm sure he was taking it very seriously.
On January 11 2011 19:53 Sigmur wrote: Bisu's games are soo amazing! 3 kills atm, rooting for 4th!
His game against Calm was great, both players played very good. The hero/kal games though were more about his opponents screwing up than Bisu doing anything special.
On January 11 2011 19:53 Sigmur wrote: Bisu's games are soo amazing! 3 kills atm, rooting for 4th!
haha you thought the games vs hero and kal were amazing? the one against calm was also poor play since calm refused to move out at the moment bisu was the weakest against his unit composition. once bisu massed too many high templars, archons, and a couple reavers, it just went downhill. basically, calm prepared a nice strategy in which there was a point calm had a visible advantage over bisu but he didn't know when to execute it and just remained complacent until bisu had too strong of a unit composition.
Maybe I don't need much to be satisfied I'm mainly playing/watching SC2, but I have to say, overall SC1 games are much more interesting to watch than SC2.
Oh, that's right. I completely forgot about the initial ZvZ. It doesn't really make it any easier though since all the big guns (Fanta, Best and Bisu) are left.
On January 11 2011 19:53 Sigmur wrote: Bisu's games are soo amazing! 3 kills atm, rooting for 4th!
His game against Calm was great, both players played very good. The hero/kal games though were more about his opponents screwing up than Bisu doing anything special.
One noteworthy part of the game against Hero was how Bisu deliberately held his Sairs back to build numbers and just harassed pwned with zealots. I agree though other than that only the game against Calm was truly gg.
On January 11 2011 19:53 Sigmur wrote: Bisu's games are soo amazing! 3 kills atm, rooting for 4th!
haha you thought the games vs hero and kal were amazing? the one against calm was also poor play since calm refused to move out at the moment bisu was the weakest against his unit composition. once bisu massed too many high templars, archons, and a couple reavers, it just went downhill. basically, calm prepared a nice strategy in which there was a point calm had a visible advantage over bisu but he didn't know when to execute it and just remained complacent until bisu had too strong of a unit composition.
Maybe I don't need much to be satisfied I'm mainly playing/watching SC2, but I have to say, overall SC1 games are much more interesting to watch than SC2.
Your standards are this low? :S Man, you need to go through recommended games sections and find some ACTUALLY good games.
On January 11 2011 19:53 Sigmur wrote: Bisu's games are soo amazing! 3 kills atm, rooting for 4th!
haha you thought the games vs hero and kal were amazing? the one against calm was also poor play since calm refused to move out at the moment bisu was the weakest against his unit composition. once bisu massed too many high templars, archons, and a couple reavers, it just went downhill. basically, calm prepared a nice strategy in which there was a point calm had a visible advantage over bisu but he didn't know when to execute it and just remained complacent until bisu had too strong of a unit composition.
Maybe I don't need much to be satisfied I'm mainly playing/watching SC2, but I have to say, overall SC1 games are much more interesting to watch than SC2.
haha that'd have to agree with you wholeheartedly. i'd rather watch bisu vs calm than some random cheese in the gsl...not that every game in the gsl in cheese. hehe
On January 11 2011 19:53 Sigmur wrote: Bisu's games are soo amazing! 3 kills atm, rooting for 4th!
haha you thought the games vs hero and kal were amazing? the one against calm was also poor play since calm refused to move out at the moment bisu was the weakest against his unit composition. once bisu massed too many high templars, archons, and a couple reavers, it just went downhill. basically, calm prepared a nice strategy in which there was a point calm had a visible advantage over bisu but he didn't know when to execute it and just remained complacent until bisu had too strong of a unit composition.
Maybe I don't need much to be satisfied I'm mainly playing/watching SC2, but I have to say, overall SC1 games are much more interesting to watch than SC2.
I just have to take the opportunity to suggest you watch the Holy War of Savior vs. Nal_ra (if you haven't already):
Probably the best PvZ series ever (and don't forget to check out their 2007 Blizzcon matches too! Epic stuff!).
On January 11 2011 19:53 Sigmur wrote: Bisu's games are soo amazing! 3 kills atm, rooting for 4th!
haha you thought the games vs hero and kal were amazing? the one against calm was also poor play since calm refused to move out at the moment bisu was the weakest against his unit composition. once bisu massed too many high templars, archons, and a couple reavers, it just went downhill. basically, calm prepared a nice strategy in which there was a point calm had a visible advantage over bisu but he didn't know when to execute it and just remained complacent until bisu had too strong of a unit composition.
Maybe I don't need much to be satisfied I'm mainly playing/watching SC2, but I have to say, overall SC1 games are much more interesting to watch than SC2.
Your standards are this low? :S Man, you need to go through recommended games sections and find some ACTUALLY good games.
your standard get pretty damn low when its mainly sc2 you watch
On January 11 2011 20:14 GG.NoRe wrote: bisu is scary when he is in his game
Problem with his PvT is more lategame though. Running massive armies into death and subpar arbitor play. Maybe he should just go sair/reaver vs Terran too
On January 11 2011 20:13 Lann555 wrote: Why doesn't Protoss try to snipe a few SCV in these situations?
You lose 1 extra mineral per period of time repairing per scv, every second he is repairing with max amount of scvs he is wasting more and more minerals, more than if that scv got sniped and didn't get to mine at some point in the future.
On January 11 2011 20:14 GG.NoRe wrote: bisu is scary when he is in his game
Problem with his PvT is more lategame though. Running massive armies into death and subpar arbitor play. Maybe he should just go sair/reaver vs Terran too
that chinese player's sair/dragoon play was pretty sick lol
Good times do roll, Bisu does a successful recall in Bogus's base! His small force snipes Bogus's science facility and also the vessel that barely managed to get out!
On January 11 2011 20:20 Murderotica wrote: Bad decision making - fake an attack. RECALL IN EXPO, kill sci port/vessel, LOSE REST OF ARMY, ATTACK TOO LATE, LOSE ARB TO 1 TURRET 1 GOL.
On January 11 2011 20:20 Murderotica wrote: Bad decision making - fake an attack. RECALL IN EXPO, kill sci port/vessel, LOSE REST OF ARMY, ATTACK TOO LATE, LOSE ARB TO 1 TURRET 1 GOL.
Guess who won anyways
Yup. It's not like I'm upset, it's just mistakes like these would not fly against better terran. It's disheartening of a prospect.
This is the worst day this month. My least favorite player of all time kills my favorite team. :'( Well played (against Calm). It sucks so bad being an STX supporter some days.
On January 11 2011 20:26 mustaju wrote: This is the worst day this month. My least favorite player of all time kills my favorite team. :'( Well played (against Calm). It sucks so bad being an STX supporter some days.
I feel for ya mate. I'm glad I stayed up to watch the all-kill, but going into this one I didn't expect the Bee-Suit to all-kill. There was nothing in the Calm game, but Kal didn't play to his true potential. Good night for Bisu's confidence, but Flash's 3 Kill against us the other day was more impressive IMO (and it hurt me about as much as this result will be hurting you).
On January 11 2011 20:26 mustaju wrote: This is the worst day this month. My least favorite player of all time kills my favorite team. :'( Well played (against Calm). It sucks so bad being an STX supporter some days.
That there is your problem.
But seriously, Bisu offers so much to the struggling PvZ matchup, I don't where it would be today without him. (But I feel your pain, Flash manhandling the SKT lineup for the second time was tearful.)
Anyway, well played by Bisu. Only thing I didn't like was his usual sacking of the HT. He didn't need them this time, but it's a bad habit he needs to shake off if he wants to be a solid contender against Flash.
I got Best and Fantasy in my FPL team, but Bisu doesn't let them play. Anyway, at the beginning I was glad they sent s2 instead of Fantasy as it would give Bisu a chance to AK !
On January 11 2011 18:13 endy wrote: cool s2, that means we still have chances for a Bisu AK !
On January 11 2011 20:26 mustaju wrote: This is the worst day this month. My least favorite player of all time kills my favorite team. :'( Well played (against Calm). It sucks so bad being an STX supporter some days.
I feel for ya mate. I'm glad I stayed up to watch the all-kill, but going into this one I didn't expect the Bee-Suit to all-kill. There was nothing in the Calm game, but Kal didn't play to his true potential. Good night for Bisu's confidence, but Flash's 3 Kill against us the other day was more impressive IMO (and it hurt me about as much as this result will be hurting you).
He's right, we felt like we got stabbed when Flash manhandled our star 2 players the other day! So don't feel too bad, STX will roflstomp another team soon and take your mind off today's loss, don't you worry. ^^
(Plus Calm might get his revenge in the OSL soon, so don't give up hope yet! )
On January 11 2011 20:26 mustaju wrote: This is the worst day this month. My least favorite player of all time kills my favorite team. :'( Well played (against Calm). It sucks so bad being an STX supporter some days.
That there is your problem.
But seriously, Bisu offers so much to the struggling PvZ matchup... I don't where it would be today without him.
Anyway, well played by Bisu. Only thing I didn't like was his usual sacking of the HT. He didn't need them this time, but it's a bad habit he needs to shake off if he wants to be a solid contender against Flash.
"Haters gonna hate" the saying goes, and I'm pretty much on the hateful side.
On January 11 2011 20:31 TwoToneTerran wrote: Congrats to Bisu but STX just played poorly today. Really bad showing from them.
Yeah, STX is a bizarre team. On paper they have an extremely strong line up but I can't really remember a single time they've performed to expectations for more than a single round. They often seem to play small money Starcraft despite having what one could consider a star-studded team. The same could be said about Woongjin, who absolutely crashed in R2.
On January 11 2011 20:26 mustaju wrote: This is the worst day this month. My least favorite player of all time kills my favorite team. :'( Well played (against Calm). It sucks so bad being an STX supporter some days.
That there is your problem.
But seriously, Bisu offers so much to the struggling PvZ matchup, I don't where it would be today without him.
Anyway, well played by Bisu. Only thing I didn't like was his usual sacking of the HT. He didn't need them this time, but it's a bad habit he needs to shake off if he wants to be a solid contender against Flash.
He utilized HTs quite well today in his game vs. Calm, where we saw plenty of storms...
On January 11 2011 20:26 mustaju wrote: This is the worst day this month. My least favorite player of all time kills my favorite team. :'( Well played (against Calm). It sucks so bad being an STX supporter some days.
That there is your problem.
But seriously, Bisu offers so much to the struggling PvZ matchup, I don't where it would be today without him.
Anyway, well played by Bisu. Only thing I didn't like was his usual sacking of the HT. He didn't need them this time, but it's a bad habit he needs to shake off if he wants to be a solid contender against Flash.
He utilized HTs quite well today in his game vs. Calm, where we saw plenty of storms...
Yeah, his storms against zerg are always really awesome, but for some reason he doesn't like to use them against terran. (Some say it's because Fantasy keeps sniping them during practise, so he got it in his head that they're too costly to risk.) =/
On January 11 2011 20:26 mustaju wrote: This is the worst day this month. My least favorite player of all time kills my favorite team. :'( Well played (against Calm). It sucks so bad being an STX supporter some days.
That there is your problem.
But seriously, Bisu offers so much to the struggling PvZ matchup, I don't where it would be today without him.
Anyway, well played by Bisu. Only thing I didn't like was his usual sacking of the HT. He didn't need them this time, but it's a bad habit he needs to shake off if he wants to be a solid contender against Flash.
He utilized HTs quite well today in his game vs. Calm, where we saw plenty of storms...
Yeah, his storms against zerg are always really awesome, but for some reason he doesn't like to use them against terran. (Some say it's because Fantasy keeps snipping them during practise, so he got it in his head that they're too costly to risk.) =/
Ah, you're talking about vs. Terran. Yeah, Bisu does seem to neglect them when he faces off a T and usually goes arbiters, but he should take some lessons from Jangbi and just abuse storms no matter what matchup he's in.
I think Bisu is about to peak vZ again. Losing to Shine dragged it down for a while, didn't it? It's taken quite a few wins to get back to where it is now. Didn't really expect an all-kill, but at least it's something to help me feel better after what happened vs KT. Don't worry STX fans, you'll get one this round.
On January 11 2011 20:26 mustaju wrote: This is the worst day this month. My least favorite player of all time kills my favorite team. :'( Well played (against Calm). It sucks so bad being an STX supporter some days.
That there is your problem.
But seriously, Bisu offers so much to the struggling PvZ matchup, I don't where it would be today without him.
Anyway, well played by Bisu. Only thing I didn't like was his usual sacking of the HT. He didn't need them this time, but it's a bad habit he needs to shake off if he wants to be a solid contender against Flash.
He utilized HTs quite well today in his game vs. Calm, where we saw plenty of storms...
Yeah, his storms against zerg are always really awesome, but for some reason he doesn't like to use them against terran. (Some say it's because Fantasy keeps snipping them during practise, so he got it in his head that they're too costly to risk.) =/
Ah, you're talking about vs. Terran. Yeah, Bisu does seem to neglect them when he faces off a T and usually goes arbiters, but he should take some lessons from Jangbi and just abuse storms no matter what matchup he's in.
Samsung tosses like to go faster expansion and templars. SKT1 protosses just like to go quick arbiters. And when you go fast arbs, it's basically impossible to have temps until the late game. It's more a preference than anything else.
I guess STX is not that deep of a team after all. Well, it's not like I expected them to be a challenge to SKT anyway, but lol come on guys, you could have done better. Calm could have stood a better chance had he accomplished something better than just plaguing and ensnaring Bisu's units while he was still sitting on 4 bases, but I'll give him that since he tried really hard; Hero, well, he's in kind of a slump and Bogus is really not that great either so I'm gonna give them some slack but Kal, lol. Today he plays the game of his life and suddenly the next day he plays like someone who has been scrambling to find his ability focus for years. I see a similar pattern between yesterday and today's games: Both the #1 Protoss from SKT and KT get all-kills and end the matches with 4-1 scores.
A lot of STX's fans care too much about being "superior" than SKT, while for SKT fans we don't care much about being superior , we are just there to admire our pretty boys and enjoy the sweet sweet win lol.
Look at MBC and Khan, they don't care about superiority, they only want to get good results, that's why their teams are wining lol.
This is my 2000th post, thanks for all of those who spent time with me on TL, here's to another 2000! Extra special thanks to Finale, who was willing to sacrifice a great thread to keep mine alive!
Congrats mustaju!!! Freak yeah!!! BISU!!!!!! Can't wait to see replays!!!
On January 11 2011 23:11 kamikami wrote: while for SKT fans we don't care much about being superior , we are just there to admire our pretty boys and enjoy the sweet sweet win lol.
This is my 2000th post, thanks for all of those who spent time with me on TL, here's to another 2000! Extra special thanks to Finale, who was willing to sacrifice a great thread to keep mine alive!
Congrats mustaju!!!
this has gotta be one of the worst-timed congratulation ever
Seems like SKT intentionally trolling STX with all-kiliing them with different players in each series. They must really want to force poor STX coach to making suicide. Or they just dont like Carnivorous Sheep ^^
On January 11 2011 14:34 Zona wrote: STX has had the honor of being all-killed by a wide spectrum of players, including the SKT star Fantasy, and the SKT near-bonjwa Hyuk.
Whose turn will it be this time?
How dare you asking ? Unless it's a rhetorical question of course.
BISUUUUUUUUUUUUU !
Also someone said on the previous page that Bisu's PvT was "atrocious". He hasn't lost to any terran other than Flash since last summer. And it's not like he only fought shitty terrans, the record includes wins against Sea, Really who's reputed for his TvP, Baby and Iris.
Ah, I was about to add "Bisu...or By.Sun" to my post but in the end decided not to. Well, you called it.
As someone who doesn't catch all of STX's games, it seems from the ones I do watch that their players' mindsets depend a lot on momentum, so the team is rather susceptible to collapsing to all-kills.
On January 11 2011 23:11 kamikami wrote: while for SKT fans we don't care much about being superior , we are just there to admire our pretty boys and enjoy the sweet sweet win lol.
This is my 2000th post, thanks for all of those who spent time with me on TL, here's to another 2000! Extra special thanks to Finale, who was willing to sacrifice a great thread to keep mine alive!
Congrats mustaju!!!
this has gotta be one of the worst-timed congratulation ever
I found this while searching for good intros for the "predictions" part. It fits both STX and the way I should feel perfectly. I don't ever remember STX all-killing, STX doesn't do finals, STX doesn't usually contend for the titles. But I just can't even imagine that I'd stop to root for them whenever, whereever. The team doesn't have anyone else to blame but themselves for that loss, but I see spirit and emotion when these guys play, whether it be big depression or huge grins after unlikely victories. The pain is temporary. + Show Spoiler +
On January 11 2011 23:11 kamikami wrote: while for SKT fans we don't care much about being superior , we are just there to admire our pretty boys and enjoy the sweet sweet win lol.
umm I think that's just you
On January 11 2011 23:21 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On January 11 2011 10:56 mustaju wrote:
This is my 2000th post, thanks for all of those who spent time with me on TL, here's to another 2000! Extra special thanks to Finale, who was willing to sacrifice a great thread to keep mine alive!
Congrats mustaju!!!
this has gotta be one of the worst-timed congratulation ever
I found this while searching for good intros for the "predictions" part. It fits both STX and the way I should feel perfectly. I don't ever remember STX all-killing, STX doesn't do finals, STX doesn't usually contend for the titles. But I just can't even imagine that I'd stop to root for them whenever, whereever. The team doesn't have anyone else to blame but themselves for that loss, but I see spirit and emotion when these guys play, whether it be big depression or huge grins after unlikely victories. The pain is temporary. + Show Spoiler +
I still hate bisu though.
Well said mustaju, and congrats on the 2k regardless. SKT fans should also recognize that the loss to KT was entirely SKT's fault. Also SKT fans should all continue to hate Flash because dammit that was the second time. Speaking of the other day, Bisu>Kal was like Flash>Fantasy where an advantage is lost due to the loss of key units. Bisu>Hero was like Flash>Bisu where if Hero overexpanded and had he survived the attack he would have been in a great economic position. Bisu>Bogus was like Flash>Ssak in that there was really no contest there. Not really making a point here, just an interesting series of parallels.
Well said mustaju, and congrats on the 2k regardless. SKT fans should also recognize that the loss to KT was entirely SKT's fault. Also SKT fans should all continue to hate Flash because dammit that was the second time. Speaking of the other day, Bisu>Kal was like Flash>Fantasy where an advantage is lost due to the loss of key units. Bisu>Hero was like Flash>Bisu where if Hero overexpanded and had he survived the attack he would have been in a great economic position. Bisu>Bogus was like Flash>Ssak in that there was really no contest there. Not really making a point here, just an interesting series of parallels.
There are 2 types of SKT fan : the team's fans and ze Bisu fanboys. The 2nd types have less reason to hate Flash and more reasons to hate Shine. If Bisu lost too Flash then it's still acceptable and there's no urgent need to hate Flash at all, only when he loses to some 3-hatch-hydra bullshits that the rage will be ensured.
On January 11 2011 23:11 kamikami wrote: while for SKT fans we don't care much about being superior , we are just there to admire our pretty boys and enjoy the sweet sweet win lol.
umm I think that's just you
On January 11 2011 23:21 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On January 11 2011 10:56 mustaju wrote:
This is my 2000th post, thanks for all of those who spent time with me on TL, here's to another 2000! Extra special thanks to Finale, who was willing to sacrifice a great thread to keep mine alive!
Congrats mustaju!!!
this has gotta be one of the worst-timed congratulation ever
I found this while searching for good intros for the "predictions" part. It fits both STX and the way I should feel perfectly. I don't ever remember STX all-killing, STX doesn't do finals, STX doesn't usually contend for the titles. But I just can't even imagine that I'd stop to root for them whenever, whereever. The team doesn't have anyone else to blame but themselves for that loss, but I see spirit and emotion when these guys play, whether it be big depression or huge grins after unlikely victories. The pain is temporary. + Show Spoiler +
I still hate bisu though.
Spoken like a true fan - a man after my own heart.
Grats on 2k Mustaju. You've been a breath of fresh air to the BW TL community, and in particular, to the construction of LR threads. New standards are being set for LR thread content and graphics, and I salute your efforts.
On January 12 2011 10:13 Sumsi wrote: a special thx to STX coach for sending out hero so Bisu managed to reach his PvZ peak
Even if Bisu had a losing record against Hero, it was such a bad idea to send a second zerg against him. STX has Shuttle, one of the best PvP sniper ever and they didn't even send him out at all. Well, thanks STX coach !
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I won't do any smacktalk about STX tonight, just for you. 
)! Show that sexy PvZ of yours. It's quite unusual to send out a Toss to snipe a top Zerg. 
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