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[SWL] WeMade FOX vs Hwaseung Oz - Page 22

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mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 10 2011 12:42 GMT
#421
See, JD could have played like this in the KA S2 OSL final... *crosses fingers*
But srsly who leaves a control group worth of MnM afk in the 7.5o position and have them do nothing until it's too late
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
January 10 2011 12:43 GMT
#422
On January 10 2011 21:35 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 21:33 corumjhaelen wrote:
Man, I rarely say that, but that game was just savioresque.
Really really well played by Jaedong, just waaaaaaaaaaaaah

no, it was Jaedong-esque. Savior pales in comparison to how amazingly Jaedong just played

I disagree.
Average midgame and muta control, get to hive tech with a disadvantage, a beautifully timed counter, clutch 10 min defense plus great counterattacks ?
That really sounds more like savior than Jaedong.
The difference of course, is that both Jaedong's and Baby's multitask were better than, say, savior and Nada, which is to be expected.
I'd say this was kinda savior vs iris : the comeback was less impressive, the multitask was way better.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
January 10 2011 12:45 GMT
#423
On January 10 2011 21:41 McDonalds wrote:
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On January 10 2011 21:39 Nikon wrote:
On January 10 2011 21:37 Doraemon wrote:
On January 10 2011 21:37 Nikon wrote:
I find it kinda funny how Baby had about 2 control groups of stuff stranded at bottom left and never attempted to evacuate them from there.


yer! i was thinking those red dots, are those MM still there?

probably around 1 control group not 2


There were more than 1 control group, but I think he lost some trying to get out and just left the rest there...

There were a couple of lurkers at the bottom of the ramp. I guess he figured they were more valuable to Jaedong in the long run.


Yeah, I know, but there were some windows of opportunity to dropship them out of there at least I think. For example, that drop in JD's main, could've taken marines from there with an empty dropship, would've only been slightly later. All in all that, and JD donating mutas were the only major blunders in this game I believe.
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
January 10 2011 12:46 GMT
#424
Any good tvz players know what baby could have done differently? From my perspective not only did he not make any mistakes, he played excellent and still was never ahead it seems, even after denying the 3rd gas twice. Perhaps he could have gone for the nat and main kill with the 3 tank 1 vessel push right before consume finishes instead of going to 11. I'm perplexed as to how any terran could have done anything better to win that game.
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
January 10 2011 12:47 GMT
#425
The finishing blow was just insane.
Defending against 2 simultaneous drops while entering the main and killing scv's with a drone.
Fuck.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 12:49:03
January 10 2011 12:48 GMT
#426
On January 10 2011 21:38 letian wrote:
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On January 10 2011 21:33 Holgerius wrote:
Unbelievable. That's why you don't tap out before it's 100% over (and that's why JD should not have been awarded the win in Game 3 after the power outage ).

<3 JD!

"and that's why JD should not have been awarded the win in Game 3 after the power outage" just dont pull this again in here. Get over it already

I'm just joking.

+ Show Spoiler +

Or am I? Feel free to start a discussion about it, or I will treat your silence as though you agree with me.

XD

-------------------------------
There was like literally one way JD could've won that game from the position he was in after the midgame, and he found it somehow. Brilliant.



I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
January 10 2011 12:48 GMT
#427
holy crap of a game
Enjoy the game
kwkwookw
Profile Joined August 2010
218 Posts
January 10 2011 12:49 GMT
#428
On January 10 2011 21:46 pylonsalad wrote:
Any good tvz players know what baby could have done differently? From my perspective not only did he not make any mistakes, he played excellent and still was never ahead it seems, even after denying the 3rd gas twice. Perhaps he could have gone for the nat and main kill with the 3 tank 1 vessel push right before consume finishes instead of going to 11. I'm perplexed as to how any terran could have done anything better to win that game.


the key was that baby kept getting his vessels sniped so couldn't amass a sizeable number: what the krn commentators actually said so don't call me out
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
January 10 2011 12:49 GMT
#429
On January 10 2011 21:46 pylonsalad wrote:
Any good tvz players know what baby could have done differently? From my perspective not only did he not make any mistakes, he played excellent and still was never ahead it seems, even after denying the 3rd gas twice. Perhaps he could have gone for the nat and main kill with the 3 tank 1 vessel push right before consume finishes instead of going to 11. I'm perplexed as to how any terran could have done anything better to win that game.

I think you need a 4th tank at your nat to slow down counter attacks when your not pushing the zerg main but his 3th instead. Vulture mines could have helped also imo.
j2choe
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada243 Posts
January 10 2011 12:49 GMT
#430
Incredible comeback. Baby's army had the better movement at the beginning, running past JD's defenses to catch expos the moment they hatched, but JD finally cut him off the third time around. After that, his inhuman multitasking allowed him to simultaneously pressure Baby's natural, split Baby's army and immobilize each section, and macro his 3 bases enough to eventually overwhelm the Terran. No way Baby could keep up with that...JD was just possessed.
nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
January 10 2011 12:50 GMT
#431
On January 10 2011 21:46 pylonsalad wrote:
Any good tvz players know what baby could have done differently? From my perspective not only did he not make any mistakes, he played excellent and still was never ahead it seems, even after denying the 3rd gas twice. Perhaps he could have gone for the nat and main kill with the 3 tank 1 vessel push right before consume finishes instead of going to 11. I'm perplexed as to how any terran could have done anything better to win that game.


Perhaps a better/different start. But I missed the part where the bunker got up in the middle, so I'm just guessing :p Perhaps ask mr Lee Youngho?
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mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 10 2011 12:50 GMT
#432
On January 10 2011 21:46 pylonsalad wrote:
Any good tvz players know what baby could have done differently? From my perspective not only did he not make any mistakes, he played excellent and still was never ahead it seems, even after denying the 3rd gas twice. Perhaps he could have gone for the nat and main kill with the 3 tank 1 vessel push right before consume finishes instead of going to 11. I'm perplexed as to how any terran could have done anything better to win that game.
I think he left a group of MnM in afk mode in the 7.5o position... until it's too late. And he kinda underestimated Jaedong's fortitude too.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
January 10 2011 12:51 GMT
#433
On January 10 2011 21:46 pylonsalad wrote:
Any good tvz players know what baby could have done differently? From my perspective not only did he not make any mistakes, he played excellent and still was never ahead it seems, even after denying the 3rd gas twice. Perhaps he could have gone for the nat and main kill with the 3 tank 1 vessel push right before consume finishes instead of going to 11. I'm perplexed as to how any terran could have done anything better to win that game.

He was being a bit dumb by forcing those eraser vessels when JD was just too well prepared for it. He kept losing too many vessels, usually Terran needs to amass a huge vessel cloud in lategame bio TvZ.
Flushot
Profile Joined August 2009
United States218 Posts
January 10 2011 12:54 GMT
#434
I thought Baby made too many firebats. He probably gassed away a potential 2-3 tanks.
Class of 2013
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11308 Posts
January 10 2011 12:54 GMT
#435
On January 10 2011 21:42 hellbound wrote:
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On January 10 2011 21:34 c3rberUs wrote:
I think I even saw a lone drone killing an scv in an undefended base near the end.

Epic gameeeee!!!!


yeah I saw that too.

pheww, I honestly thought that I was wrong, thanks!!

That was sick, every unit is involved in the fight, even the drones!!!
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 10 2011 12:56 GMT
#436
Turns out Baby did make a lot more mistakes than he should... Must have gotten complacent methinks. Well JD has decided since Flash has proved that he's still got it by mauling SKT he'll do the same thing to the first team Oz meets in WL.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
January 10 2011 12:59 GMT
#437
I hope Oz can give JD a break against Khan... MSL being the next day and all.

Wanna see BackHo vs. Stork
Jaedong and Baby
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
January 10 2011 13:08 GMT
#438
On January 10 2011 21:49 j2choe wrote:
Incredible comeback. Baby's army had the better movement at the beginning, running past JD's defenses to catch expos the moment they hatched, but JD finally cut him off the third time around. After that, his inhuman multitasking allowed him to simultaneously pressure Baby's natural, split Baby's army and immobilize each section, and macro his 3 bases enough to eventually overwhelm the Terran. No way Baby could keep up with that...JD was just possessed.
You cant call that better movement. It is the natural part of tvz. If T and Z both play solid, Z will have only 1 viable build to use and have major trouble getting third up and running, while T has many viable options of shutting it down. Hence the perceived imbalance of midgame tvz, and JD could only overcome it with masterful swarms
Aah thats the stuff..
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
January 10 2011 13:10 GMT
#439
Awesome game, but i feel Jaedong is not as good as he was in 2008/2009, some small mistakes here and there. His muta micro on this game was average, losing too many of them to turrets. After the ten minutes mark, i thought Jaedong was going to lose, but suddenly, the tyrant awakened. Impressive lategame, and crazy multitasking against one of the best multitasking players around. The final minutes were beautiful. Thanks Jaedong, and happy birthday.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 13:24:29
January 10 2011 13:22 GMT
#440
I wish OZ would have let JD go first so he could have gone for the all-kill but I guess the team has to come first and all that.

Oh and JD's record against Midas will be 5-0 now.
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