Probably one of the worst games of a players career, but really not good from the other player as well. As for the entertaining part, it's there, but it's dirty.
The battle of the third and second team place will be fierce. SKT finally looks vulnerable again, and the teams were fairly equal the last time. While Hite has the bigger momentum, STX has the advantage of being better rounded... or at least it seems that way. Let's hear how our fans feel about it!
Big thanks to thopol (for writing the STX part) and BlackMagister (for writing the hite entus part)!
1. This is the battle of the second and third place team. How are you feeling? Anxious? Confident? Indifferent?
BlackMagister: Anxious, Hentus has trouble with a strong Zerg lineup and depending on who is sent out it will be difficult.
thopol: I have absolutely no doubt that STX will win. I am certainly excited, since a clash of titans is the metaphor of the day, and I like both teams. OGN Sparkyz was my favorite team for some time before I found my STX Soul. Unfortunately, many of the players I really liked were brought low by match fixing, and the attraction of the team has waned some. That said, I still like Hite Entus, and expect a good series.
A good series that STX will win. It is a great time to be an STX fan right now. With three awesome players climbing the OSL ladder and some success in ProLeague, it feels as though all of my hope and support is getting through somehow. The team's mindset has to be stellar right now, and I think that is our ticket to the stars.
2. Imagine a trade where you could take a player off the opposing team while giving away a player of equal value. Which players would you pick to strengthen your lineup? You can’t refuse the trade. Leta, Kal, and B-teamers can’t be traded either.
BlackMagister: I would trade Hydra for Modesty. Hentus has trouble with Zerg in my opinion like I said, it would be useful to have a ZvZ sniper.
thopol: I think this is probably an easy out, but I would trade Hero for Hydra. I really like Hero. Sorry dude, but you just haven't been putting up the results Hydra has lately.
3. Both teams are generally characterized as deep compared to other teams. Which of the teams is deeper and why?
BlackMagister: Estro, it’s at the bottom of the ocean… Too soon?
thopol: I don't see there being any team as deep as STX. Let me just give you a rundown of our bigger names to illustrate this point.
We have Kal and Calm. These guys are ace players, being very competitive, if not the favorite, against most of the best minds in Broodwar. Kal has been having a great year, and Calm is performing. Kal's first OSL ro16 game was a win was over Flash, which has to be a confidence booster. These fellows really need no introduction.
Next, there is the Terran line. These guys have really been the backbone for STX this year. Bogus has been a ProLeague tank, and Classic, the new acquisition, has not been disappointing. Frozen fills out the Terran trio with a lot of potential and recently disappointing results.
We also have Modesty, who has been tearing it up in the OSL. He's been playing some great Broodwar, and not only in ZvZ for once.
Finally, Protoss. Shuttle has been a PvP sniper with mixed results this season. Our other Protoss worth mentioning recently is Trap. He has won his two games since his non-Gom debut. While untested against players other than Idra, he could be the next up-and-comer everyone is hyping way too much.
4. Hite Entus was born after a merger between CJ Entus and Hite Sparkys in the beginning of the season. It went 1-3 soon after (only defeating OZ), but since week 3 it is has made a mad 8-2 dash. What is the greatest change you’ve noticed?
BlackMagister: Really I’m just hoping that Entus of Hentus starts smiling more. One of the biggest draws to becoming a Sparkyz fan was how happy some of them would get so it’s odd to merge with a team known for this -_- face. It seems like I've seen more smiling during the high five ceremonies.
thopol: There are a lot of factors that might contribute to their big improvement. That said, I really think that it isn't something that much should be taken away from. Hite Entus is a great team with a lot of talented players. I feel as though they deserve to be in the upper echelon when it comes to team ranking. Their hiccup at the start of the season doesn't reflect anything major within the team. I expect that if it isn't just some inauspicious clustering of inevitable losses, it is the fact that team chemistry is likely not as well developed.
Hite Entus is our newest team. It's made of experienced players, but as a group they are fresher than Star2 teams. I'm sure it took a little while before everyone's expectations could be modified and met, and I'm sure their friendships and appraisals of one-another's play styles had to develop.
5. STX is currently performing well in individual leagues. Will it have a negative effect on ProLeague, as some players have suspected? Or will it propel the team to greater heights?
BlackMagister: Calm and Kal’s match will have an effect on their practice schedule, but I doubt too much for this particular proleague series because they only have to play one game even if it against JD and the guy who all killed STX.
thopol: This will obviously hurt STX in terms of practice time. There's really no way that it cannot. Things are a little different than in previous seasons though. While I'm sure there is a great deal of practicing for anticipated players, with the matchups hidden until they are played, I expect practice puts more emphasis on matchups and maps. Since Icarus, Aztec, Benzene, and Circuit Breaker are all maps shared between ProLeague and the individual leagues, there is further lessening of success putting a burden on practicing.
The most important note on the subject though, is that STX has fewer individual league games to prepare for than Hite does. So while STX will be hurt by their success, it will affect their opponents comparably.
6. Icarus is missing! But don’t worry, in Imaginationland, you can remove another map to bring it back in its place! Would you use such an opportunity, and if, what map would you like removed? If not, why?
BlackMagister: I would replace Circuit Breaker with Icarus simply because Icarus is a more interesting map aesthetically. Instead of just an open middle there are various paths you would need to take to flank enemy units.
thopol: Icarus is, without a doubt, a map that STX is disappointed not to have on the lineup. It has been a good map for Zergs and, more notably, is in the OSL map pool. With both Modesty and Calm preparing for games on the map, I would have liked to see it available against Hite. Calm will be going into the series fresh off of practicing for a ZvZ against Jaedong on Icarus. In all likelihood, if it were in the map pool, we would see a ZvZ with a very prepared Calm.
I actually don't have a huge preference regarding which map I'd trade off for Icarus. We can't lose Aztec for much the same reason that Icarus is attractive. I think I'll just say Empire of the Sun, since I don't like watching games on that as much as the rest of the lineup.
7. The Ace Match takes place on Bloody Ridge. Which team has the advantage? Who would you play as coach?
BlackMagister: Movie, the map seems Protoss favored so while it might be smart to send out Horang2 to try and snipe Kal, Movie should put up a better fight should they send Calm than Horang2 would even though Movie has been doing poorly recently.
thopol: I think that if it gets there, which I must make clear that I don't anticipate happening, STX will pick up the Ace match with ease. This map has had a lot of Protoss and Zerg wins, but Terrans are losing here. We will not be seeing Leta. I feel that Hite will send Hydra to either face off against Kal or to play a ZvZ. As such, it is a pretty easy decision to send Modesty. He's our ZvZ sniper, and he's fresh off a win against Hydra in the OSL to boot.
8. Both Leta and Modesty are on a 7(!) game winstreak. Can either of those streaks survive this match?
BlackMagister: If they meet of course Leta is going to be the one left with a winstreak.
thopol: I think both can survive. Modesty is good in ZvZ, but it is a fickle matchup at times. Losing a ZvZ is the only way I see Modesty losing his streak. This includes playing against Leta. I feel that while Leta is hot right now, Modesty is hotter. His last 3 games in his winning streak were against Fantasy, Killer, and Hydra. None of these guys are pushovers, all performing fairly well now. In the case of Fantasy and Hydra, we're talking top players at this juncture. Leta's streak has put down some good players, but when Turn and Sun are the prestige highlights of your winning streak, I'm just not going to put as much weight on it.
I think, and somewhat hope, that both come out of the match as fired up as when they went in, and with no black marks to feed the naysayers.
9. Describe how you think the match will turn out in Pokémon terminology. (Because it was so awesome in SKT vs. STX)
STX sent out Bogus! Go! Skyhigh! Bogus used dropship play! It’s not very effective… Skyhigh uses Split the Map! The audience falls asleep! …… The foe’s Bogus has fainted! Skyhigh gained 483 Exp. Points!
STX sent out FrOzen! Go! Orion! Orion uses Fury Attack! It hit(s) three time(s)! FrOzen uses Irradiate! It's super effective! Orion fainted!
STX sent out Shuttle! Go! Leta! Shuttle uses himself! Leta uses cross dressing! A Critical Hit! The foe’s Shuttle fainted! Leta gains a boosted 534 Exp. Points!
STX sent out Kal! Go! Hogil! Hogil uses ZvP snipe! It misses! Kal uses Thunder! It’s super effective! Hogil fainted!
STX sent out hero! Go! Horang2! Horang2 uses 10gate! It’s super effective! hero uses drops! It’s super effective! hero uses Quick Attack! Horang2 is eliminated!
STX sent out Modesty! Go! Movie! Modesty uses Hydra Bust! Movie builds lots of Cannons! It’s Super Effective! The foe’s Modesty fainted! Movie gains 340 Exp. Points! Movie grew to lvl. 30! Movie learned the move Ace Potential!
ACE MATCH
STX sent out Kal! Go! Movie! Movie uses Protect! Kal uses Reaver micro! Movie protected itself! Kal uses Reaver Dragoon! Movie uses Counter! The foe’s Kal fainted!
Player defeated STX! Hentus secured 2nd place for winning!
A wild Skyhigh appeared! Go! Modesty! Skyhigh used tanks! The map is favorable! Modesty uses memory of previous beatdown. It's super effective. Wild Skyhigh fainted.
A wild Leta appeared! Go! Frozean! Frozean used untapped potential, but it missed. Leta used being a good player. Frozean used disappointment. Frozean fainted.
A wild Snow appeared! Go! Bogus! Snow used quiet badassery. Bogus didn't notice. Bogus used his nose. It's super effective. Snow fainted.
A wild Hogil appeared! Go! Calm! Hogil used forget spire. It's super effective. Calm used crazy-eye. Hogil flinched. Calm used OSL practice for Jaedong. It's super effective. Hogil fainted.
A wild Hydra appeared! Go! Kal! Kal used jaw surgery. His special attack rose. Hydra used just came off an 8 game win streak. His respect rose. Kal used corsair reaver. Hydra used his namesake. It's not very effective. Kal used scout humiliation. It's super effective. Hydra used poor GG timing. Kal used mind control. Hydra used poor GG timing. Kal used recall. Hydra fainted.
10. Name the biggest high and the biggest low for your team in this season thus far.
BlackMagister: The worst moment would be the 3 game losing streak and opinions that Hentus was overrated because of that. So far the best moment was their round 1 win Hwaseung OZ, not only was it their first win as a team but it was against Sparkyz’s kryptonite Hwaseung OZ. The win showed they were no longer the same team as before and have a lot more potential now even with the scandal due to their merger with CJ.
thopol: Two sides of the same coin: For me, following competitive sports is a two way street. You have teams that you like and support. Putting passion into your favorites is a big part of it, but it shouldn't be all of your passion. For maximum enjoyment, you need to have some teams you hate. In my case, that is SKT1. ProLeague has always been the thing I am most interested in, so when STX plays T1, it is a thing of gravitas. Our recent win against SK Telecom was delightful. It was easily the best I've felt about StarCraft this season. Our loss against T1 was likewise, the most painful and bitter moment.
I know this is more about me than my team itself, but that's just how it has to be.
Any last words?
BlackMagister: Both Sparkyz and CJ were hurt by the events of last season, Sparkyz more so, but now they’re fitting together into one of the strongest teams if current rankings are any indication. Their play is only going to continue to improve as well as different play styles are shared.
Today, the 2nd and 3rd place teams clash in an epic battle. The two teams are at 9W5L (Hite) and 8W6L (STX) currently. Both teams have been doing well in R2, with Hite currently riding a 4-game winning streak. STX was on a 3-game winning in R2 as well, which included a win against SKT that ended their unbeaten streak.
The match between the two teams feature "Shin Combo" versus "Kim Combo", a battle of last names. Hite is led by Shin Sang Moon (Leta) and Shin Dong Won (Hydra). In SPL, Leta is on a 7-game winning streak, while Hydra is on a 5-game winning streak. STX is led by their ace players Kim Goo Hyun (Kal) and Kim Yoon Hwan (Calm).
Not only are the two Shin's of Hite playing solid, the supporting cast have stepped up also. Snow, Movie, Horang2, sKyHigh, and HoGiL have all also made contributions in their team's recent success.
Besides the one loss to MBC in R2, STX has not lost in R2. Like Hite, STX has a 4W1L record in R2.
When STX wins, they feature various styles of play: strategic (and cheesy!), macro-oriented, harassment, and others. Such unpredictability, combined with their deep lineup featuring Kal, Shuttle, Calm, Modesty, by.hero, Bogus, and Classic, STX seems to be one of the strongest teams right now.
In R1, Hite won the head-to-head battle with a score of 4:2. If STX can win today with a score of 4:2 or better, the team ranks will change. It will be interesting to watch what strategies Hite will prepare to counter the creativity of STX.
Also, I should note that Modesty is 2:0 in his OSL group and about to advance, while Classic also made it out of his MSL group which included a victory against FLASH.
On December 18 2010 07:07 kuroshiroi wrote: That's one sexy OP and some sexy posts 2 and 3 too. One small error though, please don't hate me: Wrong shirt in results section.
I'm hoping for a Snow vs. Kal ace match although I suppose a Hydra vs. Kal would be possible as well.
I always appreciate both feedback and corrections. Why would I hate you?
On December 18 2010 07:07 kuroshiroi wrote: That's one sexy OP and some sexy posts 2 and 3 too. One small error though, please don't hate me: Wrong shirt in results section.
I'm hoping for a Snow vs. Kal ace match although I suppose a Hydra vs. Kal would be possible as well.
I always appreciate both feedback and corrections. Why would I hate you?
On December 18 2010 07:07 kuroshiroi wrote: That's one sexy OP and some sexy posts 2 and 3 too. One small error though, please don't hate me: Wrong shirt in results section.
I'm hoping for a Snow vs. Kal ace match although I suppose a Hydra vs. Kal would be possible as well.
I always appreciate both feedback and corrections. Why would I hate you?
cuz he's dissing your fashion sense
I hate SKT's uniform too. I think that puts us on the same side, actually :D
On December 18 2010 07:17 kuroshiroi wrote: I don't know, it seemed like the polite thing to do, when there's such a small error in such a big post. Sorry if I didn't offend you?
Keep up the good work.
Correct internet etiquette would've been to call him the scum of the earth, and worthless to the mother that bore him.
On December 18 2010 07:17 kuroshiroi wrote: I don't know, it seemed like the polite thing to do, when there's such a small error in such a big post. Sorry if I didn't offend you?
Keep up the good work.
Correct internet etiquette would've been to call him the scum of the earth, and worthless to the mother that bore him.
OMGGGGGGGG THANKS FOR THE EPIC OP mustaju. You got me hyped up. Hentus hwaiting. I wish i could go Daniel during the match shouting SHIN SANG MOON! SHIN SANG MOON! ._. thanks for the epic op! hoping for 4:0
On December 18 2010 07:44 icystorage wrote: OMGGGGGGGG THANKS FOR THE EPIC OP mustaju. You got me hyped up. Hentus hwaiting. I wish i could go Daniel during the match shouting SHIN SANG MOON! SHIN SANG MOON! ._. thanks for the epic op! hoping for 4:0
Wanting my favorite team to lose 4-0 is not a nice way to thank me.
On December 18 2010 07:44 icystorage wrote: OMGGGGGGGG THANKS FOR THE EPIC OP mustaju. You got me hyped up. Hentus hwaiting. I wish i could go Daniel during the match shouting SHIN SANG MOON! SHIN SANG MOON! ._. thanks for the epic op! hoping for 4:0
Wanting my favorite team to lose 4-0 is not a nice way to thank me.
On December 18 2010 07:44 icystorage wrote: OMGGGGGGGG THANKS FOR THE EPIC OP mustaju. You got me hyped up. Hentus hwaiting. I wish i could go Daniel during the match shouting SHIN SANG MOON! SHIN SANG MOON! ._. thanks for the epic op! hoping for 4:0
Wanting my favorite team to lose 4-0 is not a nice way to thank me.
how about 3-3 then a massive power outage, resulting in a tie?
On December 18 2010 07:44 icystorage wrote: OMGGGGGGGG THANKS FOR THE EPIC OP mustaju. You got me hyped up. Hentus hwaiting. I wish i could go Daniel during the match shouting SHIN SANG MOON! SHIN SANG MOON! ._. thanks for the epic op! hoping for 4:0
Wanting my favorite team to lose 4-0 is not a nice way to thank me.
how about 3-3 then a massive power outage, resulting in a tie?
:D ...................?
forgot to mention, thanks for the op mustaju! :3
GO HENTUS!
That would be a better way to thank me. My personal ambitions are a bit higher.
mutas harassing out for hero, he's trying to micro against the mnm group of Leta's but is repelled pretty easy
the mutas cannot find a way into the base but he does have his third established ,now going for the queen's nest and hive tech, timing is going for well for hero
few lurkers are out though - irradiate on the mutas - he doesn't try splitting at all and EVERY MUTA dies to that one irradiate wow leta luckily picked the muta with the most health...
lurkerling/a few mutas on the NW hex vs mnm/tank/vessel inconclusive
2nd starport starting a control tower, 6th rax ready
I honestly didn't know by.hero could ZvT like... at all. If he hadn't lost all his mutas, he'd be way ahead; as it is I think he's still got the advantage. I'm impressed.
It's fascinating how the drops completely shifted the initiative to Leta. I think if hero can get up one more base, he can viably switch to ultra/ling and just end it, but I don't know if he'll get that breathing room - if he doesn't, he loses.
Cows meltin' to mines. Leta loads 2 dropships again, both defensive matrix'ed! Hero desperately pushing out with ling+defiler but mines are making ketchup stains on the map
I feel like Hero did a great job keeping Leta from controlling the center. As soon as he took the initiative though, it was all over. Hero got defilers up with ample time, and his control was good for a while, but as the time and multitask mounted it seemed like he just couldn't keep up.
On December 18 2010 13:34 ArvickHero wrote: I think someone needs to tell the progamers that burrowing negates erasers lol
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burrowed units don't get hurt by irradiate splash damage from another unit
This is wrong, burrowed units that get irradiated don't damage the units around it, but if you have vessels irradiated flying over your burrowed units, it'll still damage them.
Skyhigh lands his 3rd CC at the min-only 11 instead 4 goliath drop on Bogus's 3rd at 9 - no defense tons of scvs killed but skyhigh loads up his dropship to leave? no, drops again as bogus drops some tanks to defend
skyhigh's 3 dropships consider heading east but 2 goliaths are waiting at 12
skyhigh adding a LOT of turrets to his 3rd
3 dropships drop 12 and clear out the 2 goliaths there, skyhigh now can take a 4th there if he wants... he's behind though since Bogus has been steadily mining from 4 bases for some time now and Bogus also has a soft contain south of 12 on the grand line an scv waiting at 6 to take his 5th
major ground/drop attack towards 12 - bogus loses a lot of units but clears out everything skyhigh has there
Bogus loads up his 7/8 dropships Bogus has just so many more units the dropships head south though...
Bogus mining/turreting up the west of 12, taking his 5th at 6 but a vulture finds it and interrupts it bogus sends a bunch of vultures to check out the right side bases, and scans 3 - nothing hidden there
skyhigh loads up some scvs into his dropship and heads east...
Skyhigh taking 3 as his 4th dropships are already headed that way - 2 goliath 1 tank drop enough to end skyhigh's plans for the island the other 6/7 dropships heading west
skyhigh moves CC/4 dropships towards 12, bogus not lifting his CC there, taking a lot of damage
On December 18 2010 14:05 night terrors wrote: Bogus overextended?
not currently - but if Bogus keeps playing the way he is now - trying to defend his new expos with a few units each, rather than trying to crush skyhigh's new expos - he could lose some o fhis advantage
skyhigh's vultures laying some mines near bogus's sieged tanks outside his megachoke, nets a few tank kills
skyhigh's still in tough shape though, with very few minine bases while bogus is maynarding scvs to his eastern bases
Sad thing about TvT sometimes is that even if you get a big advantage it takes an hour for the game to actually end. Long TvTs are epic when they're close and you have no idea who's winning, but games like this... =/
skyhigh turreting the east of 12 but it's not enough to stop 6 dropships that head there and siege up - but skyhigh responds quickly with sieged tanks of his own and clears out that drop VERY quickly
skyhigh with a pure vulture attack towards 1.5 - clears out most of the defenses
Skyhigh moving out with quite a few tanks east - but they stop
2 tanks siege up on the 1.5 high ground to shell skyhigh's scvs at 1 - skyhigh a-moving tanks across the center, kills a LOT actually but bogus now moving out with a fleet of cloaked wraiths
On December 18 2010 14:11 night terrors wrote: Fuck man. Bogus has destroyed my fpl this season. I always think he'll start loosing and never trade him away.
On December 18 2010 14:11 night terrors wrote: Fuck man. Bogus has destroyed my fpl this season. I always think he'll start loosing and never trade him away.
Minimized the stream for a few mins to study for my exam and I see gg when I go back. Would've been really confusing if I joined in the middle of game 4 lol
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like? Horang2 showing his mastery of the matchup by placing a pylon. Kal does the same. Can't this man ever come up with an original build order?
gateway first for Horang2...Kal instead scouting early (and wrong) 1 gateway for Kal too, he takes his gas as well Horang2's gas somewhat late, did he opt for a zealot?
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like? Horang2 showing his mastery of the matchup by placing a pylon. Kal does the same. Can't this man ever come up with an original build order?
I don't like match-ups that doesn't have Terran in them. I don't understand them as well.
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like? Horang2 showing his mastery of the matchup by placing a pylon. Kal does the same. Can't this man ever come up with an original build order?
It might be because I just finished the inch or two of wine I found in a reachable bottle next to my bed this morning, but I just busted out laughing. Very nice.
EDIT: Just realized morning is a misleading descriptor of the time...
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like?
pvp is (on average) the least entertaining matchup in all of bw just my opinion though
The mirror matchups all get alot of hate.
I think they're pretty much all equally interesting. TvT can have some really exciting multi-tasking plays. ZvZ has nice muta micro + sometimes lategame.
PvP is IMO the most boring on average, but screaming for reavers and DT's is like no other. Watching individual unit micro is also pretty sweet.
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like?
pvp is (on average) the least entertaining matchup in all of bw just my opinion though
The mirror matchups all get alot of hate.
I think they're pretty much all equally interesting. TvT can have some really exciting multi-tasking plays. ZvZ has nice muta micro + sometimes lategame.
PvP is IMO the most boring on average, but screaming for reavers and DT's is like no other. Watching individual unit micro is also pretty sweet.
yeah man, it's my least favorite but it's still good <3 bw
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like?
pvp is (on average) the least entertaining matchup in all of bw just my opinion though
The mirror matchups all get alot of hate.
I think they're pretty much all equally interesting. TvT can have some really exciting multi-tasking plays. ZvZ has nice muta micro + sometimes lategame.
PvP is IMO the most boring on average, but screaming for reavers and DT's is like no other.
lol it seemed like people in the past liked PvP the best, since it was a happy medium between "fast, micro, coinflip, mutaling" and "slow, macro, methodical, tank lines." personally I like TvT the best (since I'm a T player maybe?)
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like?
pvp is (on average) the least entertaining matchup in all of bw just my opinion though
The mirror matchups all get alot of hate.
I think they're pretty much all equally interesting. TvT can have some really exciting multi-tasking plays. ZvZ has nice muta micro + sometimes lategame.
PvP is IMO the most boring on average, but screaming for reavers and DT's is like no other.
lol it seemed like people in the past liked PvP the best, since it was a happy medium between "fast, micro, coinflip, mutaling" and "slow, macro, methodical, tank lines." personally I like TvT the best (since I'm a T player maybe?)
Yeah, maybe a year ago there was alot of "TvT zzz" "ZvZ coinflip" but I feel like the two matchups have gotten more exciting wheareas PvP is still basically the same. Maybe that's the reason for the change in opinion.
Every time I watch or keep track of the lr thread, I go 1-1 or 0-2, but whenever I vote and forget and check back a week later, I get massive voting steaks...
Argh ... ! The whole time I had the colours wrong and thought Horang2 is losing ... Just as he walked into Kal´s main I realised that I can be happy instead of crying, yay !!
On December 18 2010 14:53 Z3kk wrote: Do you guys think stx can pull this off?
Every time I watch or keep track of the lr thread, I go 1-1 or 0-2, but whenever I vote and forget and check back a week later, I get massive voting steaks...
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like?
PvP is the matchup with the lowest highs and highest lows.
Hmm, interesting way to put it. I think I agree with that.
PvP can be amazing at times too. It isn't usually awful though.
By the way mustaju, now you know what I feel like when Bisu goes 3 gate.
Not as amazing as other MU's IMO. All non-mirrors obviously have more potential due to their nature, TvT's can be ridiculously epic, and hive tech ZvZs makes me go O_O. PvP though, I can't think of many games that I would rape among the best and most interesting I've seen. Similarly, I can't think of many PvP's I would rate among the worst I've ever seen.
I just find it plain uninteresting for some reason.
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like?
PvP is the matchup with the lowest highs and highest lows.
Hmm, interesting way to put it. I think I agree with that.
PvP can be amazing at times too. It isn't usually awful though.
By the way mustaju, now you know what I feel like when Bisu goes 3 gate.
Not as amazing as other MU's IMO. All non-mirrors obviously have more potential due to their nature, TvT's can be ridiculously epic, and hive tech ZvZs makes me go O_O. PvP though, I can't think of many games that I would rape among the best and most interesting I've seen. Similarly, I can't think of many PvP's I would rate among the worst I've ever seen.
I just find it plain uninteresting for some reason.
Bisu vs Stork on Loki Bisu vs Pure on Polaris Rhapsody Sun vs Shuttle Best vs Free are a few examples of what I thought of as really good PvP games. I honestly have more trouble finding good TvT games(although they do exist), and the only ZvZ games that I find legitimately good for anything other than the novelty of hive are Zero vs great and soulkey vs great.
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like?
PvP is the matchup with the lowest highs and highest lows.
Hmm, interesting way to put it. I think I agree with that.
PvP can be amazing at times too. It isn't usually awful though.
By the way mustaju, now you know what I feel like when Bisu goes 3 gate.
Not as amazing as other MU's IMO. All non-mirrors obviously have more potential due to their nature, TvT's can be ridiculously epic, and hive tech ZvZs makes me go O_O. PvP though, I can't think of many games that I would rape among the best and most interesting I've seen. Similarly, I can't think of many PvP's I would rate among the worst I've ever seen.
I just find it plain uninteresting for some reason.
imo it's because there just isn't as much variety in what can happen i don't know how to explain what i mean properly, but it's like, you have a smallish number of builds (allins, dts, observers, reavers) that do not allow for much variation within the builds themselves. if there's some huge tech or unit advantage then there's a battle and one player probably wins. if there isn't they both chill on 2 bases until one player somehow wins. it's like... engagements are very rare and when they do happen they tend to be decisive.
the best pvps are the ones where players expand past 2bases and you actually see action on multiple fronts
On December 18 2010 14:37 Holgerius wrote: Ugh, PvP. Don't like, don't want.
PvP is amazing - what's there not to like?
PvP is the matchup with the lowest highs and highest lows.
No damn way - when both players play aggressively, PvP is THE BEST matchup...
ZvZ has the lowest highs...one in awhile you get an exciting hivetech game, but a lot of the excitement comes from how rare such games are
Although if you love watching players micro (which I do) ZvZ's come with their own brand of enjoyment
the higher high of zvz than pvp isn't due to lategame hivetech, it's in those games that come right the fuck down to the wire hivetech zvzs are great but my favorite zvzs are the ones where the margin of victory is tiny and quick (without anyone being allin) in a way that you never get in other matchups
shuttle adds a shitle batt outside his nat - moving to surround bbyond's tanks - 2 tanks destroyed - vulture arriveds to lay mines but all of bbyong's tanks going to be crushed!
This may be the first time I've seen a shield battery built in a non-cheese situation in a pro game. I still don't understand why Shuttle built it/built it there, but w/e.
scvs being pulled goons working on the nat CC - destroyed!
bbyong looks unhappy new tanks siege behind the main choke new CC in bbyong's main floating towards the nat instead of inner 5.5 where it was probably originally intended
shuttle takes his 3rd at inner 2.5, vultures find it and nab the probe
shuttle still trying to zealot bomb the tanks nearing inner 5.5, but it doesn't do too much damage
ranged goons destroy an scv building a bunker and it's cancelled shuttle's 4th at 12.5 coming online bbyong scans 4.5 but it's not there! shuttle now on 11 gates... his army roams the middle of the map
So far my FPL team is raping today. Calm and Leta from this match, Jaedong - Backho - Stork from the other match. (my 6th member is Fantasy) Now, if Leta vs Calm ace match, EPIC FPL NIGHT!
Do they (the people who write the K-pop songs) put any thought whatsoever into the english parts or do they just choose random words they like the sound of?
hydra is maynarding drones from his 3rd to his 4th? and dts kill them... 2 dts attacking drones at hydra's 3rd - quite a few killed despite 1 ol 1 sunken
lots of muta/scourge head into kal's main - scourge chas the sairs away as mutas atatck the main probes kal slow to pull them away - and they but up between gateway/pylon but the mutas leave!
speedzealots attacking hydra's 3rd - drones block the sunken but it goes down - mutas return to finish the attack but not before 2 fresh hydra die
hydra really could have netted so many more probe kills in kal's main though but here comes a fresh batch of scourge with his mutas... kal with only 4 sairs and a templar?
kal still in a tough spot because hydra is on 4 bases while he's stuck on 2 his new forge spinning atack he destroys one of his own cannons at his nat to open up some space
little does he know another round of hydra are on their way...
But maybe a bit a premature GG from Kal ? He still had three bases running and Hydra was on four. But then again, he had only little army left, maybe he knew he would have just been overrun.
Holy shit does Hydra have IT? Damn CJ such a good breeding ground for Zergs. I really doubted Hydra's potential, but he's been putting up nice results.
wait...what about Hydra's play were you particularly impressed with? He just had more stuff, after he got his early 4 bases against Kal's 2...There were some pretty bad moments, as well
and Kal really helped things along by sacrificing a dozen or so zealots in Hydra's nat for just a few drones in return
On December 18 2010 16:08 iamho wrote: pvz is so brutal these days, i think its worse than zvt
hmm.. well at laest protoss has storms that can kill a billion units
even with perfect dark swarms and dropping 124124 units while sending a billion lings and lurkers and ultralisks at the same time its freakin hard to break a terran expo with 500 sieged tanks, 200 turrets and 7000 mines
Yeah as I said before Kal is just ridiculous, he now loses against a zerg scrub. That's why Protoss fans cheer for Bisu and Stork but not him. STX just fails my expectation the only time I cheer for them. AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
On December 18 2010 16:10 kamikami wrote: Yeah as I said before Kal is just ridiculous, he now loses against a zerg scrub. That's why Protoss fans cheer for Bisu and Stork but not him. STX just fails my expectation the only time I cheer for them. AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
On December 18 2010 16:10 kamikami wrote: Yeah as I said before Kal is just ridiculous, he now loses against a zerg scrub. That's why Protoss fans cheer for Bisu and Stork but not him. STX just fails my expectation the only time I cheer for them. AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
On December 18 2010 16:10 kamikami wrote: Yeah as I said before Kal is just ridiculous, he now loses against a zerg scrub. That's why Protoss fans cheer for Bisu and Stork but not him. STX just fails my expectation the only time I cheer for them. AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
On December 18 2010 16:10 kamikami wrote: Yeah as I said before Kal is just ridiculous, he now loses against a zerg scrub. That's why Protoss fans cheer for Bisu and Stork but not him. STX just fails my expectation the only time I cheer for them. AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
On December 18 2010 16:10 kamikami wrote: Yeah as I said before Kal is just ridiculous, he now loses against a zerg scrub. That's why Protoss fans cheer for Bisu and Stork but not him. STX just fails my expectation the only time I cheer for them. AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
people cheer for bisu because many tlers are skt fans, people cheer for stork because he's likeable and people like him, no one cheers for kal because there are only like 3 stx fans on tl and kal is unlikeable
On December 18 2010 16:10 kamikami wrote: Yeah as I said before Kal is just ridiculous, he now loses against a zerg scrub. That's why Protoss fans cheer for Bisu and Stork but not him. STX just fails my expectation the only time I cheer for them. AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
I think hydra isn't really a 'scrub' zerg.
Hydra has been winning left and right all season with his only real weakness being ZvZ, and he's getting better at that too recently.
Fourth best zerg, elo wise, might go higher after this. Definitely not a scrub.
On December 18 2010 16:13 iamho wrote: imo kal should''ve just gone for +1 speedlot attack, theres no way hydra can afford to sunken up three seperate locations
well he did attack top left when mutas were in his main~
AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
Of course there is still CJ. CJ Entus and Hite sparkyz merged to form Hite Entus. But aren´t both companies held by CJ ?
There is no mention of CJ in Hite's wikipedia page and vice versa (both English and Korean). I don't think they have any relation (someone can confirm ?)
On December 18 2010 16:13 iamho wrote: imo kal should''ve just gone for +1 speedlot attack, theres no way hydra can afford to sunken up three seperate locations
I´m not sure that Kal scouted Hydra´s fourth base in time.
On December 18 2010 16:13 iamho wrote: imo kal should''ve just gone for +1 speedlot attack, theres no way hydra can afford to sunken up three seperate locations
well he did attack top left when mutas were in his main~
that was out of desperation though, a timing attack would come around the same time mutas hatch, hydra wouldn't have been able to defend with so many bases
AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
Of course there is still CJ. CJ Entus and Hite sparkyz merged to form Hite Entus. But aren´t both companies held by CJ ?
There is no mention of CJ in Hite's wikipedia page and vice versa (both English and Korean). I don't think they have any relation (someone can confirm ?)
CJ Entus and and Hite Sparkyz are to merge as the new team "Hite Entus"
CJ has received the operating rights to the Hite Sparkyz team from OnGameNet, a decision made in light of the rapidly approaching 2010~2011 Proleague season.
The OnGameNet Sparkyz's naming sponsorship deal with Hite (a Korean beer company) is still in effect, and thus the joined team will participate this season under the name "Hite Entus." All players on OGN Sparkyz's Brood War and Special Forces teams will continue their contracts under CJ.
Acting head coach Kim Dong Woo of CJ Entus has been appointed as the head coach, while Lee Jaehoon (ForU), Joo Jinchul (Starcraft_Side), and Jeon Taegyu (Zeus) have been named as coaches. Former Hite Sparkyz Coach Lee Myung Geun will work as an advisor to the team, focused on cultivating young talents (his allowance of suspected match-fixing players to play during the proleague season had come under fire).
The team will begin the merging process in earnest on the 13th.
AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
Of course there is still CJ. CJ Entus and Hite sparkyz merged to form Hite Entus. But aren´t both companies held by CJ ?
There is no mention of CJ in Hite's wikipedia page and vice versa (both English and Korean). I don't think they have any relation (someone can confirm ?)
AND CJ is NO MORE, the new team is sponsored by Hite.
Of course there is still CJ. CJ Entus and Hite sparkyz merged to form Hite Entus. But aren´t both companies held by CJ ?
There is no mention of CJ in Hite's wikipedia page and vice versa (both English and Korean). I don't think they have any relation (someone can confirm ?)
i believe hite sparkyz is owned by OGN, who is owned by CJ
but hite (the beer) bought the name for the team, thus its hite sparkyz
CJ owns OGN anyways so sparkyz is originally CJ's team, but the merged team should have parts of both names thus = hite sparkyz
CJ Entus and and Hite Sparkyz are to merge as the new team "Hite Entus"
CJ has received the operating rights to the Hite Sparkyz team from OnGameNet, a decision made in light of the rapidly approaching 2010~2011 Proleague season.
The OnGameNet Sparkyz's naming sponsorship deal with Hite (a Korean beer company) is still in effect, and thus the joined team will participate this season under the name "Hite Entus." All players on OGN Sparkyz's Brood War and Special Forces teams will continue their contracts under CJ.
Acting head coach Kim Dong Woo of CJ Entus has been appointed as the head coach, while Lee Jaehoon (ForU), Joo Jinchul (Starcraft_Side), and Jeon Taegyu (Zeus) have been named as coaches. Former Hite Sparkyz Coach Lee Myung Geun will work as an advisor to the team, focused on cultivating young talents (his allowance of suspected match-fixing players to play during the proleague season had come under fire).
The team will begin the merging process in earnest on the 13th.
Thanks for the info. And damn the hated Zerg team is still alive SKT and Khan should prepare some big guns to blow those dirty Zergs sky high next time.
And damn the hated Zerg team is still alive SKT and Khan should prepare some big guns to blow those dirty Zergs sky high next time.
We are the hated zerg team ? Didn´t know that... A relict from Savior´s age of dominance ?
I always thought that STX was the hated Zerg team with by.Hero knocking out Bisu and Calm beating Jaedong?
I think the hated zerg team is actually WeMade, as they have the slayer of antiteams and Shine.(I apparently have poor taste because I like them both.)
On December 19 2010 05:19 Release wrote: Does horang have the highest vsP win rate?
I think he has if one disregards all the players that are something like 1-0 PvP and therefore 100%. Then again, Horang2 has played about half the number of best´s PvPs and about a quarter of Bisu´s and Stork´s PvPs. So one can still say that his statistics aren´t high enough in numbers to draw conclusions out of when compared to the other good PvPers mentioned above. But I say: His PvP is something I get more and more faith in as he proved once again that he can be trusted in this Match-Up. Then again, I don´t really think that he will be able to keep his winning-rate above 70% forever, maybe he will stabilize at about 62-65%.
On December 21 2010 08:24 pugowar wrote: does asnyone know where I can gets vods of this? Thanks!
The torrent for this one is unavailable for some reason. I've managed to get low quality VODs from Daum (thanks yoonyoon!) which I've added to the Small VOD Thread but I can't find good quality VODs anywhere. Not even in Chinese!
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. STX FIGHTING!
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