roro moves in with like 14 lings - flash was moving his rines out at that point - loses a lot of them - lings attacking up the ramp, scvs pulled - more rines die only 3 lings left!
On December 05 2010 13:18 kuroshiroi wrote: Flash is still ahead here, right?
Closer to even, but since its Flash I'd give him the advantage.
I think roros way ahead, starting to saturate 3rd and tech to hive while flash isn't even close to getting vessels. Defilers should arrive at his natural pretty soon.
nydus starting to the 3rd - flash's force moving up the right pretty quickly, take down an OL on the way roro with some lurkerling and scourge heading down, defiler mound morphing
On December 05 2010 13:18 kuroshiroi wrote: Flash is still ahead here, right?
Closer to even, but since its Flash I'd give him the advantage.
I think roros way ahead, starting to saturate 3rd and tech to hive while flash isn't even close to getting vessels. Defilers should arrive at his natural pretty soon.
Not quite vessal vs defiler timing is pretty standard. If anything Flash's vessal came out earlier than normal.
Flash's 3 tanks blasting creeps - mnm now flooding into the nat - first vessel scourged, flash immediately scans lings rush forwards and die last lurker dies - roro concedes
Holy fuck Flash I love those comebacks. Really wish he wouldn't make such critical mistakes in the beginning of every match though. I guess it makes it more interesting, gives the opponents a feeling they have a chance.
Wow fuck my life. I thought he would finally lose. Also, I don't see how Bisu fans are any more annoying than this, I think it's about the same, except maybe in quantity.
Flash has the best crisis management in the history of SC. How the fuck did he not lose to the lings? And how the fuck did he kill all those lurkers later on?
Recommended game for sure. Bonjwa level play right there.
On December 05 2010 13:27 Womwomwom wrote: From the looks of things, Flash didn't actually lose that many SCVs considering the huge number of zerglings Roro produced.
When was the last time Flash didn't troll his opponents into thinking they're winning only to crush them minutes after? too common of an occurrence these days.
Roro shouldn't have made mutas, he should've gone straight to lurkers and walked them all into Flash's natural while streaming lings behind them. But I suppose it doesn't matter, Flash doesn't seem to know how to lose anymore.
On December 05 2010 13:27 Womwomwom wrote: From the looks of things, Flash didn't actually lose that many SCVs considering the huge number of zerglings Roro produced.
This Roro got tons of lings in, but they ran around not killing much while scvs were slowly killing them.
On December 05 2010 13:28 moopie wrote: When was the last time Flash didn't troll his opponents into thinking they're winning only to crush them minutes after? too common of an occurrence these days.
vs Best. Alas, such moments are few and far between.
On December 05 2010 13:28 moopie wrote: When was the last time Flash didn't troll his opponents into thinking they're winning only to crush them minutes after? too common of an occurrence these days.
Man, thats a long time back. He even trolled JD to 2-2 till he won that game 5. I don't even understand how he does this shit
On December 05 2010 13:28 moopie wrote: When was the last time Flash didn't troll his opponents into thinking they're winning only to crush them minutes after? too common of an occurrence these days.
vs Best. Alas, such moments are few and far between.
On December 05 2010 13:28 moopie wrote: When was the last time Flash didn't troll his opponents into thinking they're winning only to crush them minutes after? too common of an occurrence these days.
vs Best. Alas, such moments are few and far between.
although Best is the only SKT player i love (and that i don't sulk when he wins) this is why i find SKT fanboys annoying - you make it a point to find every opportunity to brag about your team
anyways, if pure gets stats, its gonna be 4-1 for wemade
On December 05 2010 13:40 Holgerius wrote: 2 CC before the first one is even finished? This is record breaking greediness. Not even Flash would do this.
The you haven't seen the game where flash went like 4/5 CC off one fact?
reaver dropped in the main - 2 scarabs for 2 scvs?
3rd scarab nets like 3/4 kills though
one tank responds with a vulture - shuttle backs away for a bit then drops reaver for a shot on the tank
another scv and vulture taken down, and another turret under construction and a depot too! make that 2 depots so much damage! finally the shuttle pulls away
shuttle now approaching from the north again - but 2 turrets there await, the shuttle ducks away before passing over the cliff - 2 reavers dropped near the top of the main from the left, attacking turrets - 2 destroyed - midas walking and sieging tanks - shuttle pulls away
On December 05 2010 13:51 rainei wrote: holy crap. I saw the Team tags saying Midas was on Ace, and I shat a brick. And then I realized Violet was on MBC...
Yeah Craton hasn't updated his scoreboard completely
Dammit, I missed game 1...so decided to read the thread.
Go to page 3 and it's all "OMG FLASH IS DEAD", "Flash so screwed!", "no way back from this".
Skip forward a few pages and sure enough I see "RORO LOSES EVERYTHING" "WTF JUST HAPPENED" etc...haha, seems pretty standard. I wanna watch that game though...
Violet expanding to inner 9? won't make a difference though his obs sees midas taking his 5th at 4.5, but he can't do anything about it Midas now rallying his army towards the center - one more attack to the left will do it
On December 05 2010 13:54 FuRong wrote: Dammit, I missed game 1...so decided to read the thread.
Go to page 3 and it's all "OMG FLASH IS DEAD", "Flash so screwed!", "no way back from this".
Skip forward a few pages and sure enough I see "RORO LOSES EVERYTHING" "WTF JUST HAPPENED" etc...haha, seems pretty standard. I wanna watch that game though...
Flash took a small group of MnM + like 3 tanks and cleaned out 9-12 lurkers that were burrowed and in position with some insane stim move and spread micro, which was the massive turning point of the game.
Is Violet's T key not working? I didn't see a SINGLE storm that game, just a terrible pvt. How can someone who practices with Flash suck so bad??? and how can someone who practices with Violet be so good???
On December 05 2010 13:57 Creationism wrote: Is Violet's T key not working? I didn't see a SINGLE storm that game, just a terrible pvt. How can someone who practices with Flash suck so bad??? and how can someone who practices with Violet be so good???
midas did a good job EMPing HTs the second he saw them
I thought Violet was going to sweep Midas after the Reaver harrasment, he didn't just flank well in battle engagement. And he lost both reavers+shuttle. He could have bought more time with them, the second he lost them Midas pushed and got the middle and Violet couldn't flank well enough to destroy the push.
He failed attacking and Midas +1 attack was done by then.
Sum up. Violet was outmacroed, outmicroed, and outbattled.
On December 05 2010 14:00 Elyvilon wrote: I don't understand why Violet had so few zealots.
wasted his zeals with bad pushbreaking and not supporting them well with the dragoons.
Even on his first pushbreak, his mix looked zeal-light. It looked like free's recent PvTs, except free does it when he has twice as many bases as his opponent.
I got to say, Violet had some really good reaver harass at the beginning though. He needed more zealots and more storms. I thought he had it for a while... =/
On December 05 2010 13:28 moopie wrote: When was the last time Flash didn't troll his opponents into thinking they're winning only to crush them minutes after? too common of an occurrence these days.
vs Best. Alas, such moments are few and far between.
although Best is the only SKT player i love (and that i don't sulk when he wins) this is why i find SKT fanboys annoying - you make it a point to find every opportunity to brag about your team
anyways, if pure gets stats, its gonna be 4-1 for wemade
If that's not the case for every other team ever, I'd be surprised. Fanboys in general are annoying, SKT just has a lot of them. And cool a semi-oldschool won.
On December 05 2010 14:00 Elyvilon wrote: I don't understand why Violet had so few zealots.
wasted his zeals with bad pushbreaking and not supporting them well with the dragoons.
Even on his first pushbreak, his mix looked zeal-light. It looked like free's recent PvTs, except free does it when he has twice as many bases as his opponent.
Actually I thought that amount of zeals was alright...provided he actually waited for his arbs to stasis before rushing in his lots to massed tanks. He also attempted to zeal bomb but that was AFTER he lost the majority of his zeals. Overall, that was just bad play.
Forgg...Please show us some GOOD play this time? I like timing attacks, you know! don't just leave your tanks unsieged at your rally point, for one thing!
Baby scouting forgg completely wrong - Forgg's scv arrives in Baby's main just as Baby about to take his own nat Forgg able to delay baby's expo with his own scv by a long time, too
Baby with a vulture out - uses it to finish off the scouting scv in his main - Baby finally arrives in forgg's nat - past a bunker with 2 rines - gets into the main, sees the first factory only now starting
dropship out and idle? it moves out - But forgg floating his rax up the left side - past the dropship! Forgg doesn't react though? now he does - sending his vultures back into his main
4 vultures dropped at the top of forgg's main - forgg responds immediately with 6 vultures
4 vultures being dropped in the main, but ForGG's vultures are already there to stop it! Loses 2 scvs, but then forces the dropship to lift the vultures out
forgg wasting vultures to tanks - but moving north with a larger ground force, with plenty of goliaths baby has very little defense - his 2 defending tanks - hold? now, they explode one more out - forgg stuck outside with 2 tanks 3 goliaths 2 vultures forgg wasted a TON of units on that attack
Baby now moving out with tanks past the halfway point for the first time in the game or not, he just sieges just south of his megachoke baby's dropship flies past a mine at 1.5 on the way south, forgg responding but it won't matter baby's just that much ahead
still baby manages to drop 2 tanks at 4.5?
cloaked wraiths pick off 2 dropships at forgg's rally point forgg looks dumbfounded
baby taking a lot of damage from the defending attacks, but unlike forgg's crappy attacks earlier in the game, this one pays off because baby knows he can deal damage to forgg's econ
forgg with a medium army midmap clearing a few of baby's sparsely distributed siege tanks
On December 05 2010 14:32 bearbuddy wrote: This game observer needs to check bases more. Then again, the observer has been a disappointment for a while now.
I'd say someone else was a bigger disappointment in that game. Not gonna name names or anything...
Pure closes his eyes for a moment, bringing himself into a state of complete focus, ready to crush his victim He starts with a pylon placed in a brilliant position
Come on KT i wanna see Flash dismantle someone in Ace match...no competent Protoss who stand a chance vs him and I doubt Baby is in any form to repeat what he did last season (or Flash is in a form to let that happen again)
stats only now getting his nat his lack of scouting is going to bite him in the ass unless he can make some magic happen with his reaver but pure already moving out a massive army towards stat's nat first reaver out for him - is there even a shuttle?
pure attacking with a large goon force towards stat's nat takes a huge scarab that damages a lot of his goons but stats pursing WAY TOO FAR out of reaver range with inferior goon forces pure retreating towards the top left ridge - 4 goons vs 2 goons and a zealot and a far back reaver
On December 05 2010 14:55 iamho wrote: anyone know what happened there? how did stats get such a large army?
Stats had more gateways for longer off an earlier expansion. When pure was on 2, he was on 3. When pure was on 4, Stats was on 6. When pure added his last 2 stats had 8 gateways I think.
Once you gets armies that large, even reavers become less effective.
On December 05 2010 14:58 Z3kk wrote: This is bad for fox...kt only needs one more win because flash will rape, while fox needs two, and doesn't have many good players left ;;
On December 05 2010 14:58 Z3kk wrote: This is bad for fox...kt only needs one more win because flash will rape, while fox needs two, and doesn't have many good players left ;;
Shine and Mind? KT's out of good players too lol
Oh right
Btw, DON'T POST!! Save your 5000th for an epic blog!! Just reminding you in case you forget somehow. :D
On December 05 2010 14:58 Z3kk wrote: This is bad for fox...kt only needs one more win because flash will rape, while fox needs two, and doesn't have many good players left ;;
shine can easily take a third game for wemade.
then both teams have terrible players, but a few things can happen: 1. mind takes the last game for wemade 2. KT takes the third game, and flash owns 3. wemade snipes flash with baby
"There are 3 types of players in KT: 1) The ones that can still win with a disadvantage 2) The ones that can win with an advantage 3) The ones that can still lose with an advantage"
shine already backing his OLs away from action's bases - rather save OLs than get more intel?
action not doing anything with his earlier speed finally massing up more lings and moving them out - shine taking his 2nd gas seems to have a lot fewer lings...but lots of lings pass his OL!
but action gets 2 lings to shine's nat - but shine's 4 drones kill them with no damage! but shine then loses 2 drones at his nat to 2 more lings?!? still he's mining 2 gas, action finally gets his 2nd gas running shine's muta count is hugely superior but not aggressive yet - well he attacks an ol
runs from mutascrouge of action's he has no scourge of his own
On December 05 2010 15:49 OpticalShot wrote: why does action get so many ZvZ's? he's not that good at the matchup... maybe KT coaches have ran out of options after the team's fail (besides Flash)
At this point, I don't think they have anyone else they can send, Shine is just better than everyone they have left.
So I counted, and action was only down 2 drones the whole game. Couldn't he have taken a risk and made like 3-4 while hoping his large scourge number would keep shine in his base long enough? Shine barely ever moved out of his half
With that result, Shine is now the second best zerg in the game, ahead of Roro(yeah, wtf), in sheer elo terms. And he's on a 10 game win-streak. Coming soon to a PR near you.
Not at all. Action was always overrated and there is no way his muta micro even comes close to Shine's. There is nothing in the universe that could have made him win this game.
On December 05 2010 16:01 alypse wrote: Looks like our goal this season is to get into playoffs, unlike last season which was sitting in #1.
As all the KT players say, maybe you're just gonna have to child labor your way through it. Why could have all the players just suddenly lost their skill though?
On December 05 2010 16:01 alypse wrote: Looks like our goal this season is to get into playoffs, unlike last season which was sitting in #1.
your goal this season is to stay above ACE
OOOOOOOO
Zing!
But yeah, realistically we'll be able to pull our shit together in WL...hopefully that'd be enough for us to make the postseason but I can't see us winning it right now.
On December 05 2010 16:01 alypse wrote: Looks like our goal this season is to get into playoffs, unlike last season which was sitting in #1.
Yea Action has amazing defiler play in ZvT but aside from that his play's pretty uninspired, just the normal Zerg macro play. The other problem is Terrans favor early pressure a lot more now rather than sitting in their base for the first 9 minutes of the game, and action can't seem to survive to hive tech on even footing against these terrans.
On December 05 2010 16:01 alypse wrote: Looks like our goal this season is to get into playoffs, unlike last season which was sitting in #1.
As all the KT players say, maybe you're just gonna have to child labor your way through it. Why could have all the players just suddenly lost their skill though?
It actually happens quite a bit to the championship team lol. SKT was also slumping hard for the first 2 rounds last year (although maybe not to this extent...i think they were like 6th though? still pretty bad)
Not at all. Action was always overrated and there is no way his muta micro even comes close to Shine's. There is nothing in the universe that could have made him win this game.
I love it. Action was so good last season, and now that he's slumping for 1.5 rounds people say "he was never good." Did you watch his game against Flash (or anyone else for that matter)? Action was one of the best late game zergs. I'm willing to bet practicing with Flash murdered his confidence.
On December 05 2010 16:01 alypse wrote: Looks like our goal this season is to get into playoffs, unlike last season which was sitting in #1.
your goal this season is to stay above ACE
OOOOOOOO
Zing!
But yeah, realistically we'll be able to pull our shit together in WL...hopefully that'd be enough for us to make the postseason but I can't see us winning it right now.
Truth be told, it's possible that in the long run WL could just utterly crush KT, because they're gonna have to focus on practicing with Flash.
At least the losses for KT weren't completely embarrassing this time.
I'll excuse that fOrGG can't win TvT, Action can't win ZvZ, and Anyppi/Hoejja/Barracks/Suny/etc can't win, as long as they manage to win on a day where they get better matchups.
On December 05 2010 16:00 POWEROUTAGE wrote: Sigh.
With that result, Shine is now the second best zerg in the game, ahead of Roro(yeah, wtf), in sheer elo terms. And he's on a 10 game win-streak. Coming soon to a PR near you.
Not at all. Action was always overrated and there is no way his muta micro even comes close to Shine's. There is nothing in the universe that could have made him win this game.
I love it. Action was so good last season, and now that he's slumping for 1.5 rounds people say "he was never good." Did you watch his game against Flash (or anyone else for that matter)? Action was one of the best late game zergs. I'm willing to bet practicing with Flash murdered his confidence.
I just took a look. After that game against Flash, Action had a decent score for about a month and a half, followed by 4 months of utter mediocrity. He isn't that good, he just has a slight burst of inspiration.
Not at all. Action was always overrated and there is no way his muta micro even comes close to Shine's. There is nothing in the universe that could have made him win this game.
I love it. Action was so good last season, and now that he's slumping for 1.5 rounds people say "he was never good." Did you watch his game against Flash (or anyone else for that matter)? Action was one of the best late game zergs. I'm willing to bet practicing with Flash murdered his confidence.
Usually when a player is out of form, it shows in the form of bad decision making, but in that game against Shine, decision making wasn't the main problem. His mechanics were just plain mediocre. Even when Bisu fails, you can still see that he's extremely skilled. That hasn't been the case with Action.
Not at all. Action was always overrated and there is no way his muta micro even comes close to Shine's. There is nothing in the universe that could have made him win this game.
I love it. Action was so good last season, and now that he's slumping for 1.5 rounds people say "he was never good." Did you watch his game against Flash (or anyone else for that matter)? Action was one of the best late game zergs. I'm willing to bet practicing with Flash murdered his confidence.
Usually when a player is out of form, it shows in the form of bad decision making, but in that game against Shine, decision making wasn't the main problem. His mechanics were just plain mediocre. Even when Bisu fails, you can still see that he's extremely skilled. That hasn't been the case with Action.
In all honesty, he has both problems. If his game against Brave wasn't bad decision making then I don't know what is.
Glad that Stats and Flash won, but Forgg and Violet really needs to get things back together I have no hope for Action. I think Roo should play more for the experience MANTOSS AND THE RETURN OF STORM ZERG.
and wow, I'm actually used to KT losing *sigh* random fan ramble
Came to this thread for disappointment and indeed I got it. When I opened up the lineups spoiler i was sure what the results are. And sorry to say that alffla, but the answer is because he sucks. Probably half of my few posts have a rant about that guy and i bet I won't regret them in the future.
-_- Come on, Action is one of the smartest zerg players around, and one of the few that can do something against terran. Sure he's got his weaknesses but what's happening right now is a slump, which is everything but surprising, given that he's switched teams recently and is now in a team that has a hard time making zergs work. Losing a zvz against, of all people, Shine, is in no way any reason to come down on Action's talent.
Shine is one of the strongest zergs around, especially in zvz. There really are few zergs that can go toe-to-toe with him in that matchup and obviously, Action is not one of them. However, if you'd compare Shine's zvt with Action's zvt you'd see that not everything is as simple as it seems. So come on, give Action a chance to prove himself and refrain from insulting everyone's intelligence. Thank you.
On December 05 2010 22:03 MisteR wrote: -_- Come on, Action is one of the smartest zerg players around, and one of the few that can do something against terran. Sure he's got his weaknesses but what's happening right now is a slump, which is everything but surprising, given that he's switched teams recently and is now in a team that has a hard time making zergs work. Losing a zvz against, of all people, Shine, is in no way any reason to come down on Action's talent.
Shine is one of the strongest zergs around, especially in zvz. There really are few zergs that can go toe-to-toe with him in that matchup and obviously, Action is not one of them. However, if you'd compare Shine's zvt with Action's zvt you'd see that not everything is as simple as it seems. So come on, give Action a chance to prove himself and refrain from insulting everyone's intelligence. Thank you.
Agree allow mafia zerg some breather he will break his slump and squash all who dares challenge him ^^.
I really wanted to see Action take that game to push it to ace, but alas it was the same result as always...KT wins one non-Flash game and gets rolled 4-2.
In other news, I really need to get Shine off my anti-team =/
Flash has imba skill points in all characteristics. Now he not only sushiy macro terran, but also sushiy micro terran, and sushiy multitask-terran and sushiy timing terran.
I have only hope for Jaedong not to fall too behind him, about any other players i don't know, they seem to be too far behind. Jaedong can still reach him, when Flash worked on his micro (supposedly weaker characteristic), JD should get further in game sense and precision. He always won with aggression and micro and made his opponents make mistakes, but now it doesn't seems to surprise anyone.
On December 05 2010 16:12 Milkis wrote: Action was only hyped last year for that game against Flash, which was only because he managed to go Hive.
Action is like, D+ before Hive, A- once he hits hive and gets consume tech on 3+ bases.
but yeah action vs shine should be a lot higher than 2 stars though >
I thought he was also hyped for that game against mind where which was like, game of the season... =/ But yeah, Action needs better early->mid game. I wanna see his lategame more often, which unfortunately is like a 1/50 games chance. =(
Action seems smart but his skill is way too one-sided as for now. =\ IMHO. On the example of Flash we can see that one-sided players don't stand much chance now. You need to be good in everything. It's kind of a pity that Zerg race gives a temptation not to put too much insight in macro and late-game endurance, but instead OMG ZERG RUSH KEKEKEKEEEEKEKEKEKEEE and just do pure aggression. Yes, Zerg is the best race at aggressive play, but to win really tough games and stand a chance against any level players especcially the Terran, you need to be skilled in "difficult" and long games too, need to count the balance and make right decisions. I hope one day we'll see such a zerg grossmeister-play.
LOL, maybe Action needs to switch race, if he's so bad early game? =\ Both two other races have safer early game than zerg :D
Are the players allowed to ever switch race, I wonder?
Lightwip, why? The race may just not suit the player and he might find it out. I'm sure that all these progamers can play other races at least at A- level.
On December 06 2010 02:08 _Quasar_ wrote: Lightwip, why? The race may just not suit the player and he might find it out. I'm sure that all these progamers can play other races at least at A- level.
I know =)) But you can take a break and train to reach higher level. Action, with all respect to him, isn't a vital player for KT and could afford doing this. =)
Watched Flash vs RorO. TBH i didn't see anytihng special EXCEPT of course marine vs lurker micro @ 12:50 (i saw sc.plu.cn VOD). That was really impressive. But he just played extra safe against a lower class player, and that player put too much pressure on Flash and spent money on it instead of getting tech and expansions. I think after Flash has turreted up he was ahead till the end of the game.
On December 06 2010 03:24 _Quasar_ wrote: Watched Flash vs RorO. TBH i didn't see anytihng special EXCEPT of course marine vs lurker micro @ 12:50. That was really impressive. But he just played extra safe against a lower class player
Extra safe means he built a lot of turrets to completely negate any muta bust. He really played very very safe, and if RorO exploited it with taking expos earlier and defending them and getting swarm/consume - then it would be better for him. But Flash counted that he hasn't enough class to macro him out and he was right - instead RorO went for a semi all-in attack and lost.
On December 06 2010 04:13 _Quasar_ wrote: Extra safe means he built a lot of turrets to completely negate any muta bust. He really played very very safe, and if RorO exploited it with taking expos earlier and defending them and getting swarm/consume - then it would be better for him. But Flash counted that he hasn't enough class to macro him out and he was right - instead RorO went for a semi all-in attack and lost.
What was he supposed to do? Die to Mutas? This is all nonsense and RorO was okay.
On December 06 2010 04:13 _Quasar_ wrote: Extra safe means he built a lot of turrets to completely negate any muta bust. He really played very very safe, and if RorO exploited it with taking expos earlier and defending them and getting swarm/consume - then it would be better for him. But Flash counted that he hasn't enough class to macro him out and he was right - instead RorO went for a semi all-in attack and lost.
its funny because in some other games recently, people WOULD actually expand and tech up after they contained Flash, but Flash just busts their anal cavaty open like Moses with his god-like macro.
also i think the child laborer will not actually tire out anymore.
On December 06 2010 04:12 shannn wrote: :/ Last time I didn't bet on KT they win. This time I bet on KT they lose. I almost feel like I'm jinxing KT LOL.
Damn I thought their slump was over ><
i dunno what happened if this were the flash, violet, stats, forgg, action of last year, they would be stomping faces everywhere... wow
On December 06 2010 03:24 _Quasar_ wrote: Watched Flash vs RorO. TBH i didn't see anytihng special EXCEPT of course marine vs lurker micro @ 12:50 (i saw sc.plu.cn VOD). That was really impressive. But he just played extra safe against a lower class player, and that player put too much pressure on Flash and spent money on it instead of getting tech and expansions. I think after Flash has turreted up he was ahead till the end of the game.
Yes. But so what? =\ Zerg too pulled drones, etc... And not to forget, he made a sunk. Yep Flash got 5 workers off work (but zerg got more, although they were closer to return to work than Flash's workers). Flash wasn't THAT behind as one could imagine. And some time after that, he's gotten ahead because of his excellent macro.
On December 06 2010 04:12 shannn wrote: :/ Last time I didn't bet on KT they win. This time I bet on KT they lose. I almost feel like I'm jinxing KT LOL.
Damn I thought their slump was over ><
i dunno what happened if this were the flash, violet, stats, forgg, action of last year, they would be stomping faces everywhere... wow
I know right. Stats hasn't been terrible, and Flash is obviously still in god mode, but the others have been slumping hard. Action has been my biggest disappointment so far - he showed so much potential last season and he's been just terrible this one. It's so depressing seeing his face every time he loses.
Ah well, at least he's earning points for my anti team.
On December 05 2010 13:26 Lightwip wrote: Wow fuck my life. I thought he would finally lose. Also, I don't see how Bisu fans are any more annoying than this, I think it's about the same, except maybe in quantity.
bisu and flash fanboys are equally annoying yes
On December 06 2010 07:43 _Quasar_ wrote: That doesn't mean that Flash doesn't outclass him =/
difference between progamers is paper thin and yes this also applies to Flash, Roro is a very good zerg and you can't assume Flash auto-wins everytime it gets to late-game because that's blatantly incorrect.
On December 06 2010 11:05 swanized wrote: difference between progamers is paper thin and yes this also applies to Flash
Your statement applies to the pre-Flash state of the scene, where top 10 progamers have ~100 ELO spread between them. But it doesn't apply to Flash. He is quite ahead of the pack. Right now there exists a 230 ELO points differential between Flash and Roro (ELO number 10), which gives about 75% - 80% chances that Flash is going to win over Roro. (Is there a TeamLiquid feature to exactly compute the expected win chance for a given progamer pair?)
On December 05 2010 13:26 Lightwip wrote: Wow fuck my life. I thought he would finally lose. Also, I don't see how Bisu fans are any more annoying than this, I think it's about the same, except maybe in quantity.
On December 06 2010 07:43 _Quasar_ wrote: That doesn't mean that Flash doesn't outclass him =/
difference between progamers is paper thin and yes this also applies to Flash, Roro is a very good zerg and you can't assume Flash auto-wins everytime it gets to late-game because that's blatantly incorrect.
On December 06 2010 04:12 shannn wrote: :/ Last time I didn't bet on KT they win. This time I bet on KT they lose. I almost feel like I'm jinxing KT LOL.
Damn I thought their slump was over ><
i dunno what happened if this were the flash, violet, stats, forgg, action of last year, they would be stomping faces everywhere... wow
I know right. Stats hasn't been terrible, and Flash is obviously still in god mode, but the others have been slumping hard. Action has been my biggest disappointment so far - he showed so much potential last season and he's been just terrible this one. It's so depressing seeing his face every time he loses.
Ah well, at least he's earning points for my anti team.
Flash seems to have worked out that 2base Terran vs Zerg can defend literally anything with good enough micro and simcity and macro up a push that beats anything as long as you don't leave it too long. There is actually no need to even expand further. Could say its Roro's fault for delay of defiler but i think he would have lost anyway.
Some people are saying why not expand and go for late game, because all Terran's know to switch at least partially to mech lategame now in which Zerg has no chance against a player like Flash who literally turrets and mines everywhere. He made the right choice in the all-in lurker attack and couldn't have done much better than just hoping his opponent defended with enough mistakes to give a significant advantage which it did not.
I think however he should have gone Den straight after Spire and drops into the main to split his attention, the muta's were never going to work. But making him build all the turrets was obviously a good thing, just hopefully if the fake was pulled off correctly and some small detail didn't give away it was going to lurkers instead of muta. Flash would have realized drops pretty quickly cause its obvious, but at this point he didn't have enough at main and nat to defend both i reckon.
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Flash < Grand Line SE > 
RorO
Violet < Fortress > ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/RekUS.png)
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