I want to send a big thank you your way for all of the effort you have devoted to PL lately. Yo have done abou half of the LR threads, AND yyou do it with better quality than most, AND you have the photoshop skills to produce unique kickass banners every time. Keep up the good work!
On an unrelated note, Lets go khan, whipe the floor with these scrubs! Jangbi is undefeated the round
On November 30 2010 16:23 hacklebeast wrote: Hey mustaju,
I want to send a big thank you your way for all of the effort you have devoted to PL lately. Yo have done abou half of the LR threads, AND yyou do it with better quality than most, AND you have the photoshop skills to produce unique kickass banners every time. Keep up the good work!
On an unrelated note, Lets go khan, whipe the floor with these scrubs! Jangbi is undefeated the round
As Always I am hoping to see Stork pull of a strong performance. It would be magic if he could go up against Flash and pull off a win. That could really boost stork in his comming matches.
Speed finishes for ForGG, goes for a counter with speedvults, but Reality has a nice depot + rax + academy + tank wall that holds it off without losses.
Comsats are done early for Reality, though, and he pushes out with a few scans. ForGG threatens a backstab and gets him to stay close to his base, though.
5 dropship drop in the top right now, lots of stuff controlling the base. Forgg incoming to defend--drops on top and annihilates it with surprising ease.
This was a very high level and well played game from both sides, but as it wore on Reality slowly gained the edge due to better multitasking and mechanics.
GG. Hope someone besides Flash can win today for KT
On November 30 2010 18:42 shannn wrote: hmmm I want KT to win but seeing my past 4 or 5 liquibets on KT was lost I voted on Khan today ((( I'm such a traitor lolol.
On November 30 2010 18:42 shannn wrote: hmmm I want KT to win but seeing my past 4 or 5 liquibets on KT was lost I voted on Khan today ((( I'm such a traitor lolol.
you should feel horrible
just kidding storku > flashu is happening TONIGHT
mark my words
I do feel horrible but so many people are having the same feelings when KT was auto win at Liquibet now not so much lol.
My heart wants KT to win but head says they'll be losing :<
Edit: Perfective ? Never heard of him :o Anyone knows if he's good or not ? And zenio hair lol
that was utterly depressing... great's simcity to block off that sunken -> roo's early ling advantage does nothing -> great has equal number of muta/scourge -> great capitalizes on roo's worse micro -> win
On November 30 2010 18:59 endy wrote: KT should send their better players first, being down 0-2 is gonna put a lot more pressure on Stats/Violet/Flash/Action, not really helpful :/
On November 30 2010 18:59 endy wrote: KT should send their better players first, being down 0-2 is gonna put a lot more pressure on Stats/Violet/Flash/Action, not really helpful :/
Wait Flash is the only consistently good player
IIRC KT sent Flash first last time they played, right? Didn't help much starting off 1-0
I don't think Action has integrated as well into KT as the other ex-estro players have into their respective teams. Maybe that's one reason for his lack of form.
but... aztec is Zerg favored a bit. For zerg can easily have 5 base/4gas with only 2 choke points... And P cannot be that calm about his bases as in Longinus
On November 30 2010 19:14 Sawamura wrote: please give us some snippets of the game because I can't watch the stream my sister stealing my bandwith by switching on pps =.= "
I know what you feel, my wife keeps watching TV series on PPS, have to wait she falls asleep to play Iccup
That was really hard to watch as an Action fan, especially knowing his potential, only to be balanced by the joy I am blessed with of a Protoss winning PvZ
TBH it looks like he spread his overlords in anticipation of drop play - pretty sure Action had no clue what tech Brave was going for and guessed completely wrong
maybe it was just me but i thought putting an overlord in each base was always a better idea than trying to mass them into the corner of the map.
and i also thought maybe making an overlord immediately after seeing those dts was a better idea than trying to recruit the corner-map overlords back to the base and then making overlords after the dts have double digit kills.
looooooooooooooool Action is once again making a fool out of himself. Yes we get it, you want to get to TEH LATE GAME1111!! with your oh so strong defilers and macros. And guess what, people will keep on abusing you as long as you refuse to play an early game.
I'd be happy about it but unfortunately KT is ruining my FPL
lol, seriously, wtf was Action doing?? At least build some overlords! Dammit, KT is slumping so hard it's unbelievable....I'm starting to think the players are losing on purpose or something. They all seem to be losing their games in unbelievable fashion (except Flash).
On November 30 2010 19:22 Lucumo wrote: Stork vs Flash next? :S
Khan should send out a sacrifice for Flash and save Stork for the weaker KT players.
If Khan really wanted to secure the win, this would be the best choice, but you never know. Khan might want to try to show KT up and end it 4-0 by taking their chances against Flash with Stork.
On November 30 2010 19:24 timlin737 wrote: lol, seriously, wtf was Action doing?? At least build some overlords! Dammit, KT is slumping so hard it's unbelievable....I'm starting to think the players are losing on purpose or something. They all seem to be losing their games in unbelievable fashion (except Flash).
Flash has been stealing attention in the past 2 seasons. Other KT dudes needed to do something about it.
On November 30 2010 19:24 timlin737 wrote: lol, seriously, wtf was Action doing?? At least build some overlords! Dammit, KT is slumping so hard it's unbelievable....I'm starting to think the players are losing on purpose or something. They all seem to be losing their games in unbelievable fashion (except Flash).
seriously, they arent just losing, but they are losing in the dumbest way possible. This is even worst than the child labor terran days.
On November 30 2010 19:24 timlin737 wrote: lol, seriously, wtf was Action doing?? At least build some overlords! Dammit, KT is slumping so hard it's unbelievable....I'm starting to think the players are losing on purpose or something. They all seem to be losing their games in unbelievable fashion (except Flash).
seriously, they arent just losing, but they are losing in the dumbest way possible. This is even worst than the child labor terran days.
Well, for Flash it's better, does not even need to prepare for ace match... Stork vs Violet ? Good chance to see a 4-0. Nice KT. Nice.
On November 30 2010 19:28 ]343[ wrote: stork... vs violet. seriously -_________- kt is letting me down... ok violet please win? you're the captain right? gotta take responsibility?
also, what the hell action????? what the hell? like I understand you want to save your ovies from the sairs but... -________-;
On November 30 2010 19:14 Sawamura wrote: please give us some snippets of the game because I can't watch the stream my sister stealing my bandwith by switching on pps =.= "
I know what you feel, my wife keeps watching TV series on PPS, have to wait she falls asleep to play Iccup
On November 30 2010 19:29 Ryo wrote: When you're 0-3 down you play your best player. Violet shouldn't even be an option.
Regardless of the score, you play the player that practiced for the map.
Benzene PvT: 0-4
Yes, but if Flash hasn't practiced for it, and Violet hasn't practiced for the other maps, switching the two on the spot won't get you anything. Yes Flash might be able to wing it, but Violet won't be able to play well on a map he didn't practice.
On November 30 2010 19:29 Ryo wrote: When you're 0-3 down you play your best player. Violet shouldn't even be an option.
Regardless of the score, you play the player that practiced for the map.
Benzene PvT: 0-4
Yes, but if Flash hasn't practiced for it, and Violet hasn't practiced for the other maps, switching the two on the spot won't get you anything. Yes Flash might be able to wing it, but Violet won't be able to play well on a map he didn't practice.
He practices for it, he beat Snow and Stork on it this season.
On November 30 2010 19:29 Ryo wrote: When you're 0-3 down you play your best player. Violet shouldn't even be an option.
Regardless of the score, you play the player that practiced for the map.
Benzene PvT: 0-4
Yes, but if Flash hasn't practiced for it, and Violet hasn't practiced for the other maps, switching the two on the spot won't get you anything. Yes Flash might be able to wing it, but Violet won't be able to play well on a map he didn't practice.
He practices for it, he beat Snow and Stork on it this season.
Flash didn't practice for this map as much as he did for whatever map he intended to play today. Same for Violet, and any other player. Switching it around on the spot won't get you too far (unless if you are positive you know who it is that will be played right then).
violet robo... stork warps in proxy pylon around 12.5!
VIOLET'S PROBE IS SCOUTING AROUND CHASED BY GOON
AND VIOLET SCOUTS THE PROXY YEAHEYEAHYEAH
rofl fuck i hope he defends his front
LOL VIOLET LOSES ALL HIS UNITS TO MICRO
omg what a joke
violet sees the robo support... obs sees the shuttle
violet with more shitty micro holy fucking shit
BUT HE SNIPES THE SHUTTLE REAVER!!! AHHHHH YES VIOLET!
violet breaks out with even more shitty micro
a slow reaver out for stork from his proxy but violet's sneaky obs spies it
violet more bad micro... stork 2 reavers out no shuttle!! crawling to violet's base LOL
violet expands and sees the reaver, had prepared for drop but now is like lol what
violet busting up stork's ramp!! success!!!! stork running home!!
violet gets dropped by 2 reavers, a bunch of probes explode
oops shuttle + reavers are dead, and STORK GGS LOLOLOLOLOL WHAT IS THIS MADNESS
stork played like crap (losing the shuttle........ sigh observer imbalance! though his 3 goon 1 zeal micro was brilliant), violet played slightly less like crap -_____________________________-
After Stork outclassed Violet in the first battle with his impressive micro I thought it was only a matter of time before Violet was forced to tap out. Then the way he sacrificed 3 reavers like that was just so disappointing from Stork.
Stork lost that shuttle because he did not know violet had vision thaks to his obs (it think he guessed he would go reaver after scouting. From there, it was pretty much over. Sad, pretty dumb mistake. Still love you Stork though.
On November 30 2010 19:42 corumjhaelen wrote: Stork lost that shuttle because he did not know violet had vision thaks to his obs (it think he guessed he would go reaver after scouting. From there, it was pretty much over. Sad, pretty dumb mistake. Still love you Stork though.
Stork should have known violet's entire army is inside his base though... the shuttle entered the main not far from the ramp =.=
I got back from school to see KT 3-0 down and was like FML, but thank got we have a glimmer of hope. Need Stats to win a game since Flash's win is almost a given. Then we may have a chance at a reverse kill.
Well done Violet! Setting an example for the rest of the team; win ugly if you have to.
I think Stork lost khan the game here. Flash will step up and win his game, then stats will beat either jangbi or Turn and then its Ace. And Stork has no fucking chance in hell against Flash. 4-3 to KT.
On November 30 2010 19:42 corumjhaelen wrote: Stork lost that shuttle because he did not know violet had vision thaks to his obs (it think he guessed he would go reaver after scouting. From there, it was pretty much over. Sad, pretty dumb mistake. Still love you Stork though.
Stork should have known violet's entire army is inside his base though... the shuttle entered the main not far from the ramp =.=
Violet's army was outside the base though, he retreated when he saw the shuttle
On November 30 2010 19:45 purpose wrote: I think Stork lost khan the game here. Flash will step up and win his game, then stats will beat either jangbi or Turn and then its Ace. And Stork has no fucking chance in hell against Flash. 4-3 to KT.
On November 30 2010 19:42 corumjhaelen wrote: Stork lost that shuttle because he did not know violet had vision thaks to his obs (it think he guessed he would go reaver after scouting. From there, it was pretty much over. Sad, pretty dumb mistake. Still love you Stork though.
Stork should have known violet's entire army is inside his base though... the shuttle entered the main not far from the ramp =.=
Yeah, that was stupid of him, guess he wanted to scout or something. Well, you're bound to make that kind os mistake every now and then I guess =/
Flash adds a bunker to his natural, although Juni shows no signs of early aggression. Juni doesn't even have a creep colony in his natural. If anything, he's the one who should be worried anytime soon.
On November 30 2010 20:02 GeLaar wrote: Oh come on.. Juni had this game half won. Any competent Zerg would've capitalized on that advantage properly and won.
Pretty much this, just too bad that he was scared -.-
"kespa rank 58, 0-5 this season" "kespa rank 1, 10-1 this season"
juni is scared, flash swigs his drink
juni looks like he's gging even before he plays lololol... sighing a lot
flash is not impressed in general
kt flash red bottom left juni yellow top left
juni ovie wrong way, no 4pool!! no 9pool! a brave one indeed!
flash with funny depot placement... anticheese??
and flash rax first vs 12hatch from juni
flash scouts wrong way too
juni pool, scouts with drone down towards flash
drone says hi -- flash tries to finish it with moving shot from scv but it has too much health! XDDD
3rd hatch going up for juni, then gas. flash's scv chilling in juni's base with impunity... lings out, scv actually dies to a moving drone shot! gj juni
OOOO FLASH ... jk he has an expo, 2rax + gas! ... 4 rines don't kill the ovie, lings in to pressure but rines are on ramp
flash bunker in nat for safety
juni evo + lair, probably 3hat lurk? flash 3rd rax going up, 2 scans, ebay.
flash with 1 control group of marines pushing out, juni puts up... 3 sunks aww in a cute line too! hydra den is out, lurks coming
FIREBATSSSS two of them! juni 4th sunk! ovie sniped ... spire up? what? 4th hatch? what? is juni confused about his tech?
fac going up. 4th sunk is canceled... flash cancels lots of turrets but doesn't go for sunk break could've hit before lurks
lurkers are out, 8 of them. flash loses his forward guys :O!!! wow gj juni! 2 control groups of rines left for flash back home though, and 2nd bunker going up. juni content to burrow lurkers outside?
lurker ling coming in! so many of them! flash has dudes outside though (will we see flank LOL?)
oh rofl flash has 2 tanks out; juni backs off. juni has 3rd. mobile ctrl group for flash is sacrificed for some lings, but flash doesn't care... vessel out. 2 hero marines combine for 11 kills; 1 dies.
juni takes 4th. scouted. flash sets up tank / mm line in middle. HOLY SHIT many tanks + m&m moving up!!
defilers are out for juni though so he should hold for now
juni swarms and pushes him back a bit, though with not many losses
flash shoots down top right (3rd? or 4th?), killing nydus before reinforcements come
flash rines are in 3rd at 11 lolling too, but don't get too many kills
juni trying to push flash back. flash lols and macros. a scourge hits floating sci facility LOL
crack is out for lings, flash taking 3rd
juni swarms decently in this attack, but flash still has a lot of tanks... oo two vessels go down
oh flash's point was to deny 4th at 12; meanwhile he clears out 3rd of juni with m&m
flash pushes into nat, dmatrixes his two vessels ROFL gg. yawn rape
Imo Juni should have been alot more aggressive with his initial lurker/ling force after killing Flash's first group. He had a good shot right before tanks were out.
On November 30 2010 20:07 Garrl wrote: Juni might've taken that had he not allin'd, his filer play was epic.
Yeah it was actually pretty decent. Too bad he lost his 3rd gas so early. A couple lurks on his ramp there could have allowed him to drag the game on further
On November 30 2010 20:06 PoP wrote: Imo Juni should have been alot more aggressive with his initial lurker/ling force after killing Flash's first group. He had a good shot right before tanks were out.
Actually Flash had a tank sitting in his base for quite a while. I don't know if he forgot it or didn't want to move it to his natural before siege mode finished. Anyways, you're right that Juni had a small window there. If he had lost his whole force to Flash's immaculate defense however, it would have been game right there, so I can understand why he decided to play it "safe" by expanding and containing.
i actually thought juni had a really good chance of winning it after he took out flash's initial mnm force but wow that flash is a monster. its like he never lost that army at all.
Damn if KT actually wins this from down 0-3 this would totally flip there season around. Especially the fact that Violet clutched (or stork failed) it for them. I hope Stats wins the next one and flash seals the deal + end KT losing streak + end his own ace match losing streak.
This is a big moment for us KT fans. Lets hold hands.
On November 30 2010 20:12 iLoveKT wrote: Damn if KT actually wins this from down 0-3 this would totally flip there season around. Especially the fact that Violet clutched (or stork failed) it for them. I hope Stats wins the next one and flash seals the deal + end KT losing streak + end his own ace match losing streak.
This is a big moment for us KT fans. Lets hold hands.
On November 30 2010 20:12 iLoveKT wrote: Damn if KT actually wins this from down 0-3 this would totally flip there season around. Especially the fact that Violet clutched (or stork failed) it for them. I hope Stats wins the next one and flash seals the deal + end KT losing streak + end his own ace match losing streak.
This is a big moment for us KT fans. Lets hold hands.
On November 30 2010 20:12 iLoveKT wrote: Damn if KT actually wins this from down 0-3 this would totally flip there season around. Especially the fact that Violet clutched (or stork failed) it for them. I hope Stats wins the next one and flash seals the deal + end KT losing streak + end his own ace match losing streak.
This is a big moment for us KT fans. Lets hold hands.
Keep hoping. Most teams won't throw them a bone like Khan is doing now, and eventually some players will stop playing so poorly against Flash because they're intimidated. And then it'll go from 1-4 to 0-4.
On November 30 2010 20:12 iLoveKT wrote: Damn if KT actually wins this from down 0-3 this would totally flip there season around. Especially the fact that Violet clutched (or stork failed) it for them. I hope Stats wins the next one and flash seals the deal + end KT losing streak + end his own ace match losing streak.
This is a big moment for us KT fans. Lets hold hands.
Keep hoping. Most teams won't throw them a bone like Khan is doing now, and eventually some players will stop playing so poorly against Flash because they're intimidated. And then it'll go from 1-4 to 0-4.
On November 30 2010 20:12 iLoveKT wrote: Damn if KT actually wins this from down 0-3 this would totally flip there season around. Especially the fact that Violet clutched (or stork failed) it for them. I hope Stats wins the next one and flash seals the deal + end KT losing streak + end his own ace match losing streak.
This is a big moment for us KT fans. Lets hold hands.
Keep hoping. Most teams won't throw them a bone like Khan is doing now, and eventually some players will stop playing so poorly against Flash because they're intimidated. And then it'll go from 1-4 to 0-4.
On November 30 2010 20:12 iLoveKT wrote: Damn if KT actually wins this from down 0-3 this would totally flip there season around. Especially the fact that Violet clutched (or stork failed) it for them. I hope Stats wins the next one and flash seals the deal + end KT losing streak + end his own ace match losing streak.
This is a big moment for us KT fans. Lets hold hands.
Keep hoping. Most teams won't throw them a bone like Khan is doing now, and eventually some players will stop playing so poorly against Flash because they're intimidated. And then it'll go from 1-4 to 0-4.
you think it's all intimidation??
lols, he just destroys his opponents straight up
i would say intimidation is a big factor. a lot of players would be deterred from playing absolutely standard coz they'd have no chance
It's not intimidation - he just hasn't that army control and timing sense as Flash. If he had, he'd not lose 3rd and min only to the time he would have defilers (and => game initiative)
And army control. Flash has it, and Juni doesn't. T_T
On November 30 2010 20:12 iLoveKT wrote: Damn if KT actually wins this from down 0-3 this would totally flip there season around. Especially the fact that Violet clutched (or stork failed) it for them. I hope Stats wins the next one and flash seals the deal + end KT losing streak + end his own ace match losing streak.
This is a big moment for us KT fans. Lets hold hands.
Keep hoping. Most teams won't throw them a bone like Khan is doing now, and eventually some players will stop playing so poorly against Flash because they're intimidated. And then it'll go from 1-4 to 0-4.
you think it's all intimidation??
lols, he just destroys his opponents straight up
Haven't seen that in a while.
Rofl. Last game against Stork ? No honestly, how is Flash not playing extremely extremely well at the moment ? Yeah there's an intimidation factor, but it's not enough to explain Flash's domination.
On November 30 2010 20:12 iLoveKT wrote: Damn if KT actually wins this from down 0-3 this would totally flip there season around. Especially the fact that Violet clutched (or stork failed) it for them. I hope Stats wins the next one and flash seals the deal + end KT losing streak + end his own ace match losing streak.
This is a big moment for us KT fans. Lets hold hands.
Keep hoping. Most teams won't throw them a bone like Khan is doing now, and eventually some players will stop playing so poorly against Flash because they're intimidated. And then it'll go from 1-4 to 0-4.
you think it's all intimidation??
lols, he just destroys his opponents straight up
Haven't seen that in a while.
Didn't you watch the game? The fact that juni didn't play as well as flash doesn't mean that he gave the game away, it just means that he lost... And maybe if you notice that it's because they're intimidated maybe the players would notice it too and not bee intimidated
sigh... jangbi fail. he should have waited another minute or two until his eco advantage settled a little more. Stats had barely any probes at the end.
I dont think Khan will send Stork. Stork cant beat flash atm, so they probably have tried to practice something different that can catch flash of guard. Not that it will matter but yea.
On November 30 2010 20:42 Fenrax wrote: January...if Turn is so good, why not run him in the first 6 matches so that no Ace is needed??? or, if he isn't that good, why send him for Ace???
this just makes no sense,, what is wrong with you?
Or Turn has only been practicing TvT on this map all week.
On November 30 2010 20:42 Fenrax wrote: January...if Turn is so good, why not run him in the first 6 matches so that no Ace is needed??? or, if he isn't that good, why send him for Ace???
this just makes no sense,, what is wrong with you?
Possibly same reason why violet came out on game 5
On November 30 2010 20:51 _Quasar_ wrote: Flash pressures the bunker with non-siege siege tanks, but TurN's siege mode comes right here in time to fend them off.
He had siege way earlier already oO
/edit: Oh, you just posted a bit late, nvm then ^^''
So this is about the time were Turn starts to think "OMG I am gonna beat Flash, I am gonna beat Flash, unless I fuck up, man I am not that good really and he is Flash, he will pull something amazing probably and......ohh what...wait is that my main base being destroyed by Flash....ohhh damn"
On November 30 2010 20:56 purpose wrote: So this is about the time were Turn starts to think "OMG I am gonna beat Flash, I am gonna beat Flash, unless I fuck up, man I am not that good really and he is Flash, he will pull something amazing probably and......ohh what...wait is that my main base being destroyed by Flash....ohhh damn"
SO fucking good. Really incredible. Yeah the positions helped, and yeah turn made some mistake, but that was just beautiful. Those drops man. I love this game.
On November 30 2010 21:03 Soulsplitter wrote: I never thought that I would ever say that, but...
I hate you, Stork
yeah, Stork screwed up the match today. How could he not understand, that the key to beat KT is just simply not to let Flash play ACE, well I guess it was just one mistake that turned out to be so important
turn didn't spread tanks properly and the first 2 vultures that he missed did good damage he also did not commit enough to defend his main... sad. But still one of my favorite rookies. Can anyone one line how was jangbi's loss? and stork's? thanks in advance
On November 30 2010 21:08 marcoso wrote: turn didn't spread tanks properly and the first 2 vultures that he missed did good damage he also did not commit enough to defend his main... sad. But still one of my favorite rookies. Can anyone one line how was jangbi's loss? and stork's? thanks in advance
Hmmm Stork kills violet with equal troops without a single loss and then throws away 3 reavers into gg? Am i being unfair if i think KT only won a single game (Stats>Jangbi) and the rest were Stork's gift and Flash imbalance.
What a trill! It really got the blood pumping. Those that dislike Flash are missing a lot. High-volatile-crazy-fast-up-yours-super-play! That's what I like.
ahh this is some good news to come home to. Both KT's loss streak and Flash' ace streak broken. Too bad it had to happen at the expense of my second favorite team though, but you can't win 'em all
On November 30 2010 21:17 shannn wrote: WTF :/ This is like first time I don't bet for KT and they win :/ omfg gods of starcraft are cursing at me for not staying with KT :<
you'd better vote against KT from now on seems it helps KT a lot
anyone else expecting the at least one guys in KT to say "I wanted to do an interview for a long time,but we could not win and finally now that we won I got to do this interview"
On November 30 2010 21:08 marcoso wrote: turn didn't spread tanks properly and the first 2 vultures that he missed did good damage he also did not commit enough to defend his main... sad. But still one of my favorite rookies. Can anyone one line how was jangbi's loss? and stork's? thanks in advance
Hmmm Stork kills violet with equal troops without a single loss and then throws away 3 reavers into gg? Am i being unfair if i think KT only won a single game (Stats>Jangbi) and the rest were Stork's gift and Flash imbalance.
Can all the ppl who haven't actually watched the game shut up please? 1 zelot and 3 goons vs 1 zelot and 3 goons WITH RANGE, do you actually play starcraft? do you even know how much goons with range own goons without range? Yes Violet was lucky, yes Violet was bad and yes Violets micro was utter shit but christ, don't make shit up if you didn't actually watch they game, fucking trolls.
On November 30 2010 21:08 marcoso wrote: turn didn't spread tanks properly and the first 2 vultures that he missed did good damage he also did not commit enough to defend his main... sad. But still one of my favorite rookies. Can anyone one line how was jangbi's loss? and stork's? thanks in advance
Jangbi's was roughly this: Jangbi goes DTs into 3 base, Stats obs into 2 base, Jangbi does a good storm drop, has huge econ advantage, but less army, still decides to attack and gets destroyed.
On November 30 2010 21:17 shannn wrote: WTF :/ This is like first time I don't bet for KT and they win :/ omfg gods of starcraft are cursing at me for not staying with KT :<
you'd better vote against KT from now on seems it helps KT a lot
Nooooo although I started Liquibet late I'll just go vote on KT from now on :x
On November 30 2010 21:08 marcoso wrote: turn didn't spread tanks properly and the first 2 vultures that he missed did good damage he also did not commit enough to defend his main... sad. But still one of my favorite rookies. Can anyone one line how was jangbi's loss? and stork's? thanks in advance
Hmmm Stork kills violet with equal troops without a single loss and then throws away 3 reavers into gg? Am i being unfair if i think KT only won a single game (Stats>Jangbi) and the rest were Stork's gift and Flash imbalance.
Can all the ppl who haven't actually watched the game shut up please? 1 zelot and 3 goons vs 1 zelot and 3 goons WITH RANGE, do you actually play starcraft? do you even know how much goons with range own goons without range? Yes Violet was lucky, yes Violet was bad and yes Violets micro was utter shit but christ, don't make shit up if you didn't actually watch they game, fucking trolls.
On November 30 2010 21:03 Soulsplitter wrote: I never thought that I would ever say that, but...
I hate you, Stork
Stork loses a match, you hate Stork? call yourself a Khan fan?
With all the ups and downs of Khan players over the years, Stork has been the only steady player, without him they'd be completely screwed, he's the team's foundation, etc. etc. And he is not solely responsible for Khan losing today, as everyone seems to be saying - three other players had to lose too...
ok i am so glad i didnt watch this, cause i dont think i can bear seeing both Jangbi and Stork losing. Plus Turn lost but its to flash so its ok i guess
Tbh before I could not understand how guys like Flash and Jaedong could be so damn good in a game that has so many aspects that affect the outcome. I mean that the players themself can not control, like map imb, luck factor, chees and so on.
But the more I read from korean pro gamers the clearer it gets. It seem that korean starcraftplaeyrs in general are so damn unsecure about there own skill. When you see guys like Stork and Bisu say things like they dont think they can beat Flash or Jaedong, that they feel insecure about there pvp, or about playing any random guy, then you really understand why Flash and JD win so much, and why previous guys like them have done the same.
Flash and JD win so many games in the head, before and during games due to the fact that they ALWAYS think they will win, when others before the game are gonna try their best but probably lose.
I must say its kinda sad to see this, guys like Stork and Bisu should have stronger confident than this. They should be more american if I may say so. Fuck I think Idra would have had better confident going up against Flash then both Stork and Bisu :-)
If you get the chance to shot the last penelty in the world cup final, you either think, Wow I get to end the world cup final and win it for my team, or you think, fuck I will miss and lose us the world cup final. Depending on what you think, the outcome affects by a shitload.
So maybe pro gamers should spend a little less time tapping on the keyboard, and put some focus trying to work on the mental part of the game.
On November 30 2010 21:03 Soulsplitter wrote: I never thought that I would ever say that, but...
I hate you, Stork
Stork loses a match, you hate Stork? call yourself a Khan fan?
With all the ups and downs of Khan players over the years, Stork has been the only steady player, without him they'd be completely screwed, he's the team's foundation, etc. etc. And he is not solely responsible for Khan losing today, as everyone seems to be saying - three other players had to lose too...
I should've thought twice about that statement, I know... I was just furious right after the match. During the game I already wondered why he had to cheese... against Violet above all... I mean, yes I know Stork lost confidence in his PvP, but come on... I felt like he threw that game. After he lost I thought that JanbBi could seal the deal against anyone except Flash, but wrong again. That insistence on pulling through a scouted cheese basically trashed everything that Reality, BravE and great did that day... so sad...
btw: I don't hate him ofc, noone hates Stork; I just think that this was such a bad decision...
On November 30 2010 23:41 purpose wrote: Flash and JD win so many games in the head, before and during games due to the fact that they ALWAYS think they will win, when others before the game are gonna try their best but probably lose.
On December 01 2010 00:09 Crt wrote: contrary to what players say,
people don't win because they think they can win. they win because they have the skill to win.
the idea of the mental game is all ludicrous.
What you say is the basic and fundamental ground to it all. But to deny the fact that the mind plays a huge role in the outcome of any game is just crazy.
On November 30 2010 22:54 Ryo wrote: ^ lol I think MBC players are really close to the players in Khan. Cos standing with Jaehoon are two other MBC protosses.
probablly trying to help each other out of the gutter.
and to those people who say people lose the game in their head's first before they play Flash/Jaedong, remember those 2 had to win tons of games to get to that intimidating godlike level (apparently godlike is an actual word) so it doesnt say too much about the mental aspect.
And not only win but to lose many of them too )) How many times Flash lost to carriers before learning to counter it. And how many times Jaedong lost to protoss before he reached his vP insane stats.
On December 01 2010 00:09 Crt wrote: contrary to what players say,
people don't win because they think they can win. they win because they have the skill to win.
the idea of the mental game is all ludicrous.
I'm not exactly what you'd call a good a particularly good player (I don't play on Iccup, but I daresay calling me D would be compliment), but nerves are a factor for me in various games. For instance, the website TypeRacer allows you to, well, race other people while typing short excerpts from books or songs or whatever. When I'm nervous (because I see that someone in the group has an average 20 - 30 points above mine), I can go from my average of ~100 WPM down to the 70s, purely from nervousness / shaky fingers / jerkiness. I'm the same way when I play fighting games, as well.
So it's not a stretch for me to believe that some players don't play to 100%, when nervousness becomes intense enough to become problematic - to cause bad decision making, critical mismicroing, things like that. But I'm not in the players' heads, so maybe it really is a non-factor or almost never happens at this level.
I must say its kinda sad to see this, guys like Stork and Bisu should have stronger confident than this. They should be more american if I may say so. Fuck I think Idra would have had better confident going up against Flash then both Stork and Bisu :-)
Idra would be confident because no one expects anything from him. Everyone has their eyes on Flash: if Flash owns Idra hard, Idra doesn't lose any face because getting crushed is expected and if Idra wins, support for him would explode since he just beat someone a billion times better than him.
Its the underdog advantage, no one cares about you so you don't have to worry about anything. If Stork or Bisu fuck up, people are going to be seriously disappointed and if the loss is particularly bad they're going to get ridiculed.
People might go and say that people prepare badly against Flash and Jaedong but let's be honest how do you prepare against those two? They're masters at pretty much every style of play in the handbook, they're not particularly predictable players, and they're generally good enough to get through small cases of map imba (or in Flash's case make Katrina his home). They're not like every other progamer out there who have fairly predictable routines, builds, and playstyles.
You could argue that Turn lost from being intimidated, but then again it's much easier to make mistakes when your opponent plays near perfect even without the mental state being factored in.
Can't believe I missed this, but WOOOOOHOOOOO ACE MATCH STREAK BROKEN! :D:D:D:D:D Finally we get a Flash interview again. And he's breaking his ELO records too, awesome. ^__^ Can't wait for the VOD's to come out. :D I'm also glad to see his team backing min up for once.
Tbh before I could not understand how guys like Flash and Jaedong could be so damn good in a game that has so many aspects that affect the outcome. I mean that the players themself can not control, like map imb, luck factor, chees and so on.
But the more I read from korean pro gamers the clearer it gets. It seem that korean starcraftplaeyrs in general are so damn unsecure about there own skill. When you see guys like Stork and Bisu say things like they dont think they can beat Flash or Jaedong, that they feel insecure about there pvp, or about playing any random guy, then you really understand why Flash and JD win so much, and why previous guys like them have done the same.
Flash and JD win so many games in the head, before and during games due to the fact that they ALWAYS think they will win, when others before the game are gonna try their best but probably lose.
I must say its kinda sad to see this, guys like Stork and Bisu should have stronger confident than this. They should be more american if I may say so. Fuck I think Idra would have had better confident going up against Flash then both Stork and Bisu :-)
If you get the chance to shot the last penelty in the world cup final, you either think, Wow I get to end the world cup final and win it for my team, or you think, fuck I will miss and lose us the world cup final. Depending on what you think, the outcome affects by a shitload.
So maybe pro gamers should spend a little less time tapping on the keyboard, and put some focus trying to work on the mental part of the game.
What has Flash to do with, that Bisu lost to guys like Shine? Nothing. Flash and Jaedong do what they do, they baet all kind of players not only the best. It is really not their fault, if Stork or Bisu loose to "bad" players.
didn't you think that playing perfect under heavy pressure is psychologically good state (Flash) and not playing so when you have advantage is intimidation (TurN)?
Still KTFlashing it up right now. Action and ForGG need to step it up if KT wants to be playoff contenders. Feel bad for Roo, he played so well in his first game only to get an awful ZvZ.
On November 30 2010 20:57 _Quasar_ wrote: but turns economy is so much better... no matter how "sushiy" and "macro" flash is... he's too behind.
:D
I don't get why people are suprised when Flash comes back from impossible situations (especially in TvT) anymore. ^__^
If Flash was in similar situation himself, he would realise that the only thing opponent can do is to harass, and would defend of that harass... or make a counter-harass. =\ Why Turn, with his 3 base, didn't make some fucking vultures himself, and didn't drop them somewhere? I don't get it. I think it has more to do with the magic of name that Flash has, than with anything else.
Such silly mistakes that gave KT the victory. Storks decision to go 2 reavers instead of a shuttle, and then suiciding it. Followed by Jangbi losing two high templars to a scarab in a crucial moment. And we have an ace match. Also, Juni hesitated far too much. He could've easily taken out Flash's Natural and pushed a bit into the main. Guess he got starstruck. KT looking far from solid.
On December 01 2010 01:59 Holgerius wrote: Lol, just reading through the LR, and I see stuff like this:
On November 30 2010 20:57 _Quasar_ wrote: but turns economy is so much better... no matter how "sushiy" and "macro" flash is... he's too behind.
:D
I don't get why people are suprised when Flash comes back from impossible situations (especially in TvT) anymore. ^__^
If Flash was in similar situation himself, he would realise that the only thing opponent can do is to harass, and would defend of that harass... or make a counter-harass. =\ Why Turn, with his 3 base, didn't make some fucking vultures himself, and didn't drop them somewhere? I don't get it. I think it has more to do with the magic of name that Flash has, than with anything else.
Or it's because Flash has simply better decisionmaking than anyone else in the world, period?
Jangbi continues to disappoint as usual, Stork is too lazy, and my favourite Turn loses! What a bad day for Samsung, but then what isn't? =P Come on, get back up and start winning things. Flash, I 'hate' you! =3
On December 01 2010 03:44 Emon_ wrote: Such silly mistakes that gave KT the victory. Storks decision to go 2 reavers instead of a shuttle, and then suiciding it. Followed by Jangbi losing two high templars to a scarab in a crucial moment. And we have an ace match. Also, Juni hesitated far too much. He could've easily taken out Flash's Natural and pushed a bit into the main. Guess he got starstruck. KT looking far from solid.
Juni was not breaking that natural with 30 marines and 2 bunkers. He would've traded armies and then been 2 base vs 2base terran. Containing and expanding was his best shot.
Agreed. He should've gone 3 base - defilers - 4 base. And all bases probably needed to be gas bases. He made something unexplainable. =_= I'd like to see same strategy but in hands of someone like Jaedong or lets say, Soulkey.
Or it's because Flash has simply better decisionmaking than anyone else in the world, period?
Maybe. But there he needed not only decisionmaking but serious mistakes by his opponent. If TurN didn't make mistakes it would be much like BeSt vs Flash. There, no decisionmaking helped, as you remember.
I'd not agree that Stork lost the game - he is S-class player, and they must be able not only to macro but to cheese, so cheese from him is normal :D But Jangbi's mistakes seem worse to me. He had total advantage in economy, and lost to last stand all-in attack. T_T
But at least we see him playing generally well, not like faceless something he used to be in the previous matches.
On December 01 2010 04:47 _Quasar_ wrote: Agreed. He should've gone 3 base - defilers - 4 base. And all bases probably needed to be gas bases. He made something unexplainable. =_= I'd like to see same strategy but in hands of someone like Jaedong or lets say, Soulkey.
Or it's because Flash has simply better decisionmaking than anyone else in the world, period?
Maybe. But there he needed not only decisionmaking but serious mistakes by his opponent. If TurN didn't make mistakes it would be much like BeSt vs Flash. There, no decisionmaking helped, as you remember.
There you go, you said it yourself. It takes mistakes by his opponent, and mistakes = bad decisionmaking doesn't it? Overall Flash almost always makes better decisions throughout the game than his opponent does. Sometimes he fucks up once or twice in the beginning (and mistakes in the beginning of a game always makes more impact than it does later on) but makes up for it by making more correct decisions than his opponent in the following 100 situations that arises.
It's just silly how often people try to downplay Flash's brilliance.
Also, that game was just such a slap in the face to people who say ''Hurr, Flash can only turtle, durr''. :D Great harassment. ^__^
On December 01 2010 00:09 Crt wrote: contrary to what players say,
people don't win because they think they can win. they win because they have the skill to win.
the idea of the mental game is all ludicrous.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Look at savior and his games vs. Bisu and FBH. He was capable of beating pretty much any P and T (before he fully slumped), yet he was constantly choking against those two players and looked like a D- scrub.
On December 01 2010 00:09 Crt wrote: contrary to what players say,
people don't win because they think they can win. they win because they have the skill to win.
the idea of the mental game is all ludicrous.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Look at savior and his games vs. Bisu and FBH. He was capable of beating pretty much any P and T (before he fully slumped), yet he was constantly choking against those two players and looked like a D- scrub.
Are you sure he wasn't throwing the games for $$$?
On December 01 2010 00:09 Crt wrote: contrary to what players say,
people don't win because they think they can win. they win because they have the skill to win.
the idea of the mental game is all ludicrous.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Look at savior and his games vs. Bisu and FBH. He was capable of beating pretty much any P and T (before he fully slumped), yet he was constantly choking against those two players and looked like a D- scrub.
Are you sure he wasn't throwing the games for $$$?
Damn I shouldnt have watched this. The VODs were even generously uploaded so fast into moktira's channel (thanks to him by the way) only to carry a great disappointment.
It sucks that Stork had to lose the first shuttle. I could see absolutely no reason why he had to do a backdoor with that only to get it sniped, when he could have used it to reinforce his goons in the front. Had he waited for reinforcements, he could have easily overpowered Violet's few goons and earn the 4-0 win. Really really bad decision there.
On December 01 2010 10:52 OpticalShot wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Awesome TurN becomes the victim of Flash's ace-match-slump-breaking-game
On December 01 2010 10:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm starting to realize that Action isn't very good. Even last season, amidst throwing games, Luxury was still a .500 SPL player.
On December 01 2010 10:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm starting to realize that Action isn't very good. Even last season, amidst throwing games, Luxury was still a .500 SPL player.
He was most definitely better before the swap over to KT. He just seems completely lost nowadays, it's kind of sad. He's obviously still good enough in practice for KT to keep sending him out, but he just seems to have lost his motivation.
On December 01 2010 10:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm starting to realize that Action isn't very good. Even last season, amidst throwing games, Luxury was still a .500 SPL player.
He was most definitely better before the swap over to KT. He just seems completely lost nowadays, it's kind of sad. He's obviously still good enough in practice for KT to keep sending him out, but he just seems to have lost his motivation.
I believe that is a side effect from practicing with Flash
On December 01 2010 03:44 Emon_ wrote: Such silly mistakes that gave KT the victory. Storks decision to go 2 reavers instead of a shuttle, and then suiciding it. Followed by Jangbi losing two high templars to a scarab in a crucial moment. And we have an ace match. Also, Juni hesitated far too much. He could've easily taken out Flash's Natural and pushed a bit into the main. Guess he got starstruck. KT looking far from solid.
Juni was not breaking that natural with 30 marines and 2 bunkers. He would've traded armies and then been 2 base vs 2base terran. Containing and expanding was his best shot.
His build was sort of an all-in build though and he certainly was playing it out like one. If he really pressed in without hesitating I think he would have been able to take Flash's nat out. He would have gotten in there when there was only one bunker and he had +1 at the time.
What happened with Stork? He had worse decision-making than Action in his game(although Action's mistake is far more costly and E---- worthy). A lot of these games were full of fail.
On December 01 2010 10:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm starting to realize that Action isn't very good. Even last season, amidst throwing games, Luxury was still a .500 SPL player.
Finally someone shares the same view as me
has it been ever a secret?? I think not. I dont want to be offensive, but a mafiazerg is not a good teammate to have
On December 01 2010 10:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I'm starting to realize that Action isn't very good. Even last season, amidst throwing games, Luxury was still a .500 SPL player.
Fuck, if Stork played standard, he could've crushed the other dude. But Stork is still awesome! I am not sad that Khan lost since the rookies are doing well.
Well, the above post motivated me to actually analyze Flash's wins as well as Bisu and Jaedong, since all three have 12 wins so far this season.
aand the results are. over the past 12 wins, Flash's opponents' average Kespa Ranking is 30.4, Bisu's at 33.6, and Jaedong's at 40.5.
Flash has 4 vT wins, against rankings 8,12, 43, and 56. Bisu has 2 vT wins, against rankings 16 and 19. Jaedong has 1 vT win, vs Piano @ 73. and a loss to Light (8)
As for the fanboy comments of dominance, I cannot reach a conclusion lol.
However, Bisu won against Rock, @ 130, and Kal @ 5, so if I omit the highest and lowest rankings from all results, it turns out Bisu's average opponent rank is 26.8,Flash's is 29.4, while Jaedong's is 39.6.
I guess what we can conclude is that Jaedong's victims of this past season have been of lower quality lol.
man i wish all the match-fixers werent gone. Luxury was actually a good zerg... KT never recovered from his loss. same thing with STX. Hwasin was a great terran ace..
On December 01 2010 03:44 Emon_ wrote: Such silly mistakes that gave KT the victory. Storks decision to go 2 reavers instead of a shuttle, and then suiciding it. Followed by Jangbi losing two high templars to a scarab in a crucial moment. And we have an ace match. Also, Juni hesitated far too much. He could've easily taken out Flash's Natural and pushed a bit into the main. Guess he got starstruck. KT looking far from solid.
Juni was not breaking that natural with 30 marines and 2 bunkers. He would've traded armies and then been 2 base vs 2base terran. Containing and expanding was his best shot.
His build was sort of an all-in build though and he certainly was playing it out like one. If he really pressed in without hesitating I think he would have been able to take Flash's nat out. He would have gotten in there when there was only one bunker and he had +1 at the time.
Oh well.
I don't agree I just cant see Flash losing the Nat to that force. What I think Juni's biggest mistake was after that he didn't put a Lurker on the ramp at his 4th to repel the 5 rines+1 medic which took it down. One fewer lurker wouldn't have made a difference in the middle but would have kept that 4th alive until he could get the nydus up.
That said it wouldn't have put Juni in a great position, he would've locked himself into a macro game against Flash.
On December 01 2010 03:44 Emon_ wrote: Such silly mistakes that gave KT the victory. Storks decision to go 2 reavers instead of a shuttle, and then suiciding it. Followed by Jangbi losing two high templars to a scarab in a crucial moment. And we have an ace match. Also, Juni hesitated far too much. He could've easily taken out Flash's Natural and pushed a bit into the main. Guess he got starstruck. KT looking far from solid.
Juni was not breaking that natural with 30 marines and 2 bunkers. He would've traded armies and then been 2 base vs 2base terran. Containing and expanding was his best shot.
His build was sort of an all-in build though and he certainly was playing it out like one. If he really pressed in without hesitating I think he would have been able to take Flash's nat out. He would have gotten in there when there was only one bunker and he had +1 at the time.
Oh well.
I don't agree I just cant see Flash losing the Nat to that force. What I think Juni's biggest mistake was after that he didn't put a Lurker on the ramp at his 4th to repel the 5 rines+1 medic which took it down. One fewer lurker wouldn't have made a difference in the middle but would have kept that 4th alive until he could get the nydus up.
That said it wouldn't have put Juni in a great position, he would've locked himself into a macro game against Flash.
On December 01 2010 02:08 TanGeng wrote:
Do your feel that your opponent was out of form at all? ▲ I don't feel that way. At the time, I didn't feel like I was in any trouble, but when I watched the VOD afterwards, I discovered that it was very dangerous. After the match, I really wondered, "Was the opponent scared of my reputation? Or was he just too nervous?" Anyways, I believe that he assessed the situation incorrectly.
Flash seems to believe that juni's force could easily have broken him.
On December 01 2010 03:44 Emon_ wrote: Such silly mistakes that gave KT the victory. Storks decision to go 2 reavers instead of a shuttle, and then suiciding it. Followed by Jangbi losing two high templars to a scarab in a crucial moment. And we have an ace match. Also, Juni hesitated far too much. He could've easily taken out Flash's Natural and pushed a bit into the main. Guess he got starstruck. KT looking far from solid.
Juni was not breaking that natural with 30 marines and 2 bunkers. He would've traded armies and then been 2 base vs 2base terran. Containing and expanding was his best shot.
His build was sort of an all-in build though and he certainly was playing it out like one. If he really pressed in without hesitating I think he would have been able to take Flash's nat out. He would have gotten in there when there was only one bunker and he had +1 at the time.
Oh well.
I don't agree I just cant see Flash losing the Nat to that force. What I think Juni's biggest mistake was after that he didn't put a Lurker on the ramp at his 4th to repel the 5 rines+1 medic which took it down. One fewer lurker wouldn't have made a difference in the middle but would have kept that 4th alive until he could get the nydus up.
That said it wouldn't have put Juni in a great position, he would've locked himself into a macro game against Flash.
Do your feel that your opponent was out of form at all? ▲ I don't feel that way. At the time, I didn't feel like I was in any trouble, but when I watched the VOD afterwards, I discovered that it was very dangerous. After the match, I really wondered, "Was the opponent scared of my reputation? Or was he just too nervous?" Anyways, I believe that he assessed the situation incorrectly.
Flash seems to believe that juni's force could easily have broken him.
Since when "it was very dangerous" equals "his forces could have easily broken me"?
On December 03 2010 11:44 ShadeR wrote: Since "Anyways, I believe that he assessed the situation incorrectly."
umm i think flash thought because juni was making a sort of a rush build, he should've commited to it instead of being indecisive. And yea it did seem that he had a chance there but to me, flash certainly doesn't seem to believe he would've been broken easily based on that interview.
On December 01 2010 03:44 Emon_ wrote: Such silly mistakes that gave KT the victory. Storks decision to go 2 reavers instead of a shuttle, and then suiciding it. Followed by Jangbi losing two high templars to a scarab in a crucial moment. And we have an ace match. Also, Juni hesitated far too much. He could've easily taken out Flash's Natural and pushed a bit into the main. Guess he got starstruck. KT looking far from solid.
Juni was not breaking that natural with 30 marines and 2 bunkers. He would've traded armies and then been 2 base vs 2base terran. Containing and expanding was his best shot.
His build was sort of an all-in build though and he certainly was playing it out like one. If he really pressed in without hesitating I think he would have been able to take Flash's nat out. He would have gotten in there when there was only one bunker and he had +1 at the time.
Oh well.
I don't agree I just cant see Flash losing the Nat to that force. What I think Juni's biggest mistake was after that he didn't put a Lurker on the ramp at his 4th to repel the 5 rines+1 medic which took it down. One fewer lurker wouldn't have made a difference in the middle but would have kept that 4th alive until he could get the nydus up.
That said it wouldn't have put Juni in a great position, he would've locked himself into a macro game against Flash.
You should've heard me bitching that whole game about lurker placement -_-. Juni had the worst decision making I've seen in a game in some time.
On December 01 2010 03:44 Emon_ wrote: Such silly mistakes that gave KT the victory. Storks decision to go 2 reavers instead of a shuttle, and then suiciding it. Followed by Jangbi losing two high templars to a scarab in a crucial moment. And we have an ace match. Also, Juni hesitated far too much. He could've easily taken out Flash's Natural and pushed a bit into the main. Guess he got starstruck. KT looking far from solid.
Juni was not breaking that natural with 30 marines and 2 bunkers. He would've traded armies and then been 2 base vs 2base terran. Containing and expanding was his best shot.
His build was sort of an all-in build though and he certainly was playing it out like one. If he really pressed in without hesitating I think he would have been able to take Flash's nat out. He would have gotten in there when there was only one bunker and he had +1 at the time.
Oh well.
I don't agree I just cant see Flash losing the Nat to that force. What I think Juni's biggest mistake was after that he didn't put a Lurker on the ramp at his 4th to repel the 5 rines+1 medic which took it down. One fewer lurker wouldn't have made a difference in the middle but would have kept that 4th alive until he could get the nydus up.
That said it wouldn't have put Juni in a great position, he would've locked himself into a macro game against Flash.
Do your feel that your opponent was out of form at all? ▲ I don't feel that way. At the time, I didn't feel like I was in any trouble, but when I watched the VOD afterwards, I discovered that it was very dangerous. After the match, I really wondered, "Was the opponent scared of my reputation? Or was he just too nervous?" Anyways, I believe that he assessed the situation incorrectly.
Flash seems to believe that juni's force could easily have broken him.
Almost positive that's him speaking about Turn, Turn had him in a much worse position than Juni did.
After re-reading the interview I guess they were speaking about the Juni game. I still can't see Juni breaking Flash, it's Flash. Go watch Flash v Zero on Polaris and then tell me that Juni could break Flash's defense.
On December 02 2010 19:30 vectorix108 wrote: man i wish all the match-fixers werent gone. Luxury was actually a good zerg... KT never recovered from his loss.
you mean how they didn't recover by winning proleague grand finals?
KT's regular season performance most notably dropped off after the Luxury leaving part, but I actually think that had more to do with the change of format. KT seems to struggle in playing against unsure opponent's. They crushed SKT, not only because of prep time, but because they had a good idea of who was playing what map.
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