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Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
November 18 2010 10:46 GMT
#321
Poll: Recommend Final Set?

No (12)
 
80%

Yes (3)
 
20%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Set?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
November 18 2010 10:47 GMT
#322
voted yes because it was so bad it's somewhat funny
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 18 2010 10:47 GMT
#323
That game made me so sad. We could've gotten awesome Ruby SK Terran TvZ and instead we got this.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
November 18 2010 10:48 GMT
#324
overlord scout was what made the game for hogil, he saw the fast SV build and decided to go for lurkers

caught reality with his pants down
BW is back
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
November 18 2010 10:48 GMT
#325
On November 18 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
he never saw the lurkers comming, was too much prepared for mutas

He wasn't prepared for mutas either though... he would have lost either way. I have no idea what was going through his mind.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
November 18 2010 10:50 GMT
#326
On November 18 2010 19:48 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
he never saw the lurkers comming, was too much prepared for mutas

He wasn't prepared for mutas either though... he would have lost either way. I have no idea what was going through his mind.


I'd argue he would've been ready for mutas. Mutas would come a bit later than those lurkers would, and he would've had turrets and medics would be out instead of just spawning. 3 irradidates + turrets is more than enough to stop mutas.

endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 18 2010 10:51 GMT
#327
Reality would have beaten Hogil for sure if he had used a standard build. But this one was the shittiest in a while... I have no idea what is plan was
Really unlucky with liquibets recently, damn. I hope Bisu is gonna fix that !
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
November 18 2010 10:52 GMT
#328
On November 18 2010 19:48 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
he never saw the lurkers comming, was too much prepared for mutas

He wasn't prepared for mutas either though... he would have lost either way. I have no idea what was going through his mind.


to me, 2 vessels ready to irradiate > mutas

he would've defended well against muta, and then he would've had an advantage to win
BW is back
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 10:57:25
November 18 2010 10:54 GMT
#329
On November 18 2010 19:52 Jackal03 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 19:48 moopie wrote:
On November 18 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
he never saw the lurkers comming, was too much prepared for mutas

He wasn't prepared for mutas either though... he would have lost either way. I have no idea what was going through his mind.


to me, 2 vessels ready to irradiate > mutas

he would've defended well against muta, and then he would've had an advantage to win

2 iirads wouldn't have stopped Hogil because after the split he still has more than enough and Reality didn't have shit for a marine count (not to mention more mutas would be otw, and iirads would be out for a while). At best he would have turtled in the main with a lot of turrets, and then lost his back nat to mutas shortly after (while he starts to work on those eggs with the few marines he had and the late stim).
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 11:02:13
November 18 2010 10:59 GMT
#330
I don't think that build was effective against anything. It was basically a really shitty iloveoov fake mech without any of the raw grunt that build has to offer.

Seriously, Hogil could have run him over with pure zerglings thanks to the fact he had only a single barracks, no vultures, and no academy. Has nothing to pressure the zerg with, has nothing to defend besides some spells that can be dodged/split and a handful of marines that have none of the upgrades that make them good, and had no real way of defending his natural besides a billion turrets.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
November 18 2010 11:03 GMT
#331
I think he was planning for a much longer game. The earlier you start your vessal count the deadlier they will be if it goes late. Imagine zerg has first defiler, instead of having a vessal and another going you've got like 10.

Also the build would've been much better vs mutas. He would be stuck in his base for a while, but that would be just fine since building up energy is like free kills and eventually pure muta will not be able to handle more and more vessals + mnm.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 12:34:24
November 18 2010 12:33 GMT
#332
On November 18 2010 19:51 endy wrote:
Reality would have beaten Hogil for sure if he had used a standard build. But this one was the shittiest in a while... I have no idea what is plan was
Really unlucky with liquibets recently, damn. I hope Bisu is gonna fix that !


Well HoGil actually can play well, he just forgets about that most of the time though
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vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
November 18 2010 17:13 GMT
#333
Yeahhhhh HOGIL! even though he didn't play perfectly I'm glad he advanced!
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