Set 1 : ★★★★☆ Pretty long game, but I only caught the end, which was good. Set 2 : ★★★☆☆ Risky beginning Set 3 : ★★★☆☆ Well-executed defense into massive army clashes Set 4 : ★★★★☆ Very nice early pressure Set 5 : ★★★☆☆ Trickiness sensed, countered perfectly. Set 6 : ★★☆☆☆ Good play from winner, average to bad from loser. Set 7 : ★★☆☆☆ Not worth watching...
Unplayed games will be given a random rating to avoid spoiling how many sets were played.
hite should take this easily, but , aside from Snow, the team has been playing so sloppy. I don't know much about khan's team this seaon, but anything can happen here.
SERIOUSLY. Props to anyone that streams this and keeps BW alive. My mind is telling me Hite, but my body, my body, is telling me KHAN. Leta will win his game though.
On October 25 2010 17:54 Marine50 wrote: Lets go Iris
Iris won't be playing tonight, brother, since he has applied for Airforce ACE and is currently training to become a recruit.
I hope that Hentus will get their act together and play their three bad-ass protoss, their two awesome terrans, and leave hydra as the zerg representative. Anything else would be saddening. KHAN should take heart from Brave's and Turn's wins in the last match and play them alongside Stork, Jangbi, Great and either a zerg or a terran. Playing four protoss shouldn't have to become the norm for KHAN as they've got a talented couple in Sharp and Reality and with Juni, Chavi and even Odin some reasonable quality with experience.
Wish there was a pay/donate button for whoever streams. This way whoever wants the stream can provide some incentive for someone else to provide the stream.
I'm sorry guys, but only stream I have is the chinese one http://1.plu.cn/ you need internet explorer and pplive program to see it though.
Jangbi vs Hydra
Edit: Hope this doesnt count as advertising but plu actually streams all korean games, you can use IETab addon for firefox to make it work, and the pplive program is here http://www.pplive.com/en/index.html
Interesting matchup: Jangbi was historically bad at pvz but recently did a little better, while Hydra seems to be more proficient at zvt and zvz, though he beat Best in the playoffs last season. Though putting a zerg against Jangbi is usually a good strategy, Hydra might not be the best zerg for the job.
i'm watching thru uusee. just download uusee in 1.plu.cn, click on the first link, when you see an error statement in chinese. install uusee then it will allow you to watch the channel after installing it in your pc.
On October 25 2010 18:17 MisteR wrote: Interesting matchup: Jangbi was historically bad at pvz but recently did a little better, while Hydra seems to be more proficient at zvt and zvz, though he beat Best in the playoffs last season. Though putting a zerg against Jangbi is usually a good strategy, Hydra might not be the best zerg for the job.
Jangbi had a really good PvZ streak awhile back actually, dunno if it's better than other matchups but certainly looking at results this year it doesn't seem significantly worse. But dunno about current situation since he seems to have gotten streaky as hell.
Jangbi now forces Hydra to GG with couple DTs in the main after the massive scout rush killing all the overlords, wow what an intensive game guys. Can't wait to see Stork, helll yeah
On October 25 2010 18:17 MisteR wrote: Interesting matchup: Jangbi was historically bad at pvz but recently did a little better, while Hydra seems to be more proficient at zvt and zvz, though he beat Best in the playoffs last season. Though putting a zerg against Jangbi is usually a good strategy, Hydra might not be the best zerg for the job.
Jangbi had a really good PvZ streak awhile back actually, dunno if it's better than other matchups but certainly looking at results this year it doesn't seem significantly worse. But dunno about current situation since he seems to have gotten streaky as hell.
Yeah I was referring to that streak, but Jangbi was well known for terrible pvz before that. Jangbi himself has stated that he believes all three of his matchups to be equally good, but that belies the fact that his pvt is proverbially superb. Currently he seems to have a lack of confidence. Though with the more protoss favoured maps of late, I can see Jangbi making a comeback.
Hydra harasses with a bunch of guardians, and while they all get killed he drops lurkers on top of Jangbi's gateways. Some of the buildings go down but the lurkers are eventually stopped and Hydra tries again with some zerglings. More damage.
I like Hydra. I'm not sure why people are always shitting on him. His performance in the individual leagues was impressive for a guy everyone dismisses. I enjoy seeing him do well.
Massive harass on both sides there. Jangbi did it for a while with grace and sick multitask, and then Hydra hopped on the harass train by a-moving and dropping cracklings at each nexus in turn. Pretty entertaining game. During it I thought Jangbi could put more effort into getting his pretty sweet army to put out some results, but Hydra was keeping the aggression on pretty much constantly. Mutas, guardians, crackling runby, drops... Fun to watch.
On October 25 2010 18:41 McDonalds wrote: I like Hydra. I'm not sure why people are always shitting on him. His performance in the individual leagues was impressive for a guy everyone dismisses. I enjoy seeing him do well.
Hahaha the chinese announcer is hilarious....he was basically saying how shitty both players were playing and how sloppy the overall game was. His closing comment was like....all in all a very low level game.
Makes me wonder what the korean commetnators are saying sometimes
On October 25 2010 18:41 McDonalds wrote: I like Hydra. I'm not sure why people are always shitting on him. His performance in the individual leagues was impressive for a guy everyone dismisses. I enjoy seeing him do well.
He's usually horribly mediocre. This game he performed. Well done!
On October 25 2010 18:41 McDonalds wrote: I like Hydra. I'm not sure why people are always shitting on him. His performance in the individual leagues was impressive for a guy everyone dismisses. I enjoy seeing him do well.
"He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Jangbi was pretty bad in this game tho.
To be honest I think he must be using some confusing tactic that makes his opponents perform badly through hypnosis or something. I mean I think Stats is pretty bad all the time but did you see Stats versus Hydra from a while ago? Stats was storming his own buildings and stuff, it was bizarre.
Hydra isn't mediocre at all. He's one of the bigger zerg talents and a real discovery who played Savior out of the first team. He's been consistently good, getting in both leagues and performing well as the second zerg on the CJ team. Especially his zvt has looked very good with the series against Baby as the high point. The big letdown however is that Hydra often loses zvz games that he shouldn't.
Nonetheless he is good against pressure, consistent, and good/reasonable in all three matchups. I don't have a clue what's mediocre about him, and I believe it is the Baby fans that have created this image after he brutally crushed their hopes.
Ouch Leta is one of the strongest tvt players out there as I'm sure all of you know, while Reality still has everything left to prove. A bad draw for KHAN but given that they need to build their terran line it's understandable. A win from Reality here would be a huge upset.
On October 25 2010 18:56 J1.au wrote: So why isn't TL listing the streams?
The streamers have to register their streams on a TL thread somewhere around here first, started by Chill, before the streams can appear in the right-side bar. *shrugs*
Reality expanding like crazy. Leta holding on very well considering the start, but unless he does something about the three new bases of reality, it's going to be hard.
On October 25 2010 19:13 Kirb wrote: hey can anyone give a really detaild live report? :D I'm sitting in the schoollibrary and can't watch the stream. :'(
I will soon.
Leta opens 14 cc on vertical positions. Reality pressures hard while going for fact-expos but genius play (but reliant on positions) Reality puts rax over bunker to FORCE leta to get two marines out. Vult snipes both, kills scvs. Reality then fends off Leta's attempt to vult harass and 'contains' Leta on his corner + 12 while taking 6 and 7 quickly. Reality rolls over Leta.
What Leta should've done was to hotkey his bunker and be prepared with an scv to block if vult runs by. If by any chance vult ran by, had he not hotkey the bunk, he wouldn't have been unload rines.
On October 25 2010 19:17 darktreb wrote: Does having the Barracks directly over the Bunker prevent it from firing at anything?
in the case the barracks is allied to the bunker it prevents the enemy to focus fire the bunker. in the case the barracks is not allied, it prevents the bunker owner to repair it.
On October 25 2010 19:17 darktreb wrote: Does having the Barracks directly over the Bunker prevent it from firing at anything?
No, but it prevents from loading/unloading I guess.
Also prevents them from being able to change targets, which would make them useless, as they'd be shooting the barracks whilst vultures ran by, good tactic.
On October 25 2010 19:17 darktreb wrote: Does having the Barracks directly over the Bunker prevent it from firing at anything?
No, but it prevents from loading/unloading I guess.
Also prevents them from being able to change targets, which would make them useless, as they'd be shooting the barracks whilst vultures ran by, good tactic.
Don't they prioritize 'fighting' units?
Afaik turrets shoot at ebays/raxes while dships runs by though.
On October 25 2010 19:13 Kirb wrote: hey can anyone give a really detaild live report? :D I'm sitting in the schoollibrary and can't watch the stream. :'(
I will soon.
Leta opens 14 cc on vertical positions. Reality pressures hard while going for fact-expos but genius play (but reliant on positions) Reality puts rax over bunker to FORCE leta to get two marines out. Vult snipes both, kills scvs. Reality then fends off Leta's attempt to vult harass and 'contains' Leta on his corner + 12 while taking 6 and 7 quickly. Reality rolls over Leta.
On October 25 2010 19:17 darktreb wrote: Does having the Barracks directly over the Bunker prevent it from firing at anything?
No, but it prevents from loading/unloading I guess.
Also prevents them from being able to change targets, which would make them useless, as they'd be shooting the barracks whilst vultures ran by, good tactic.
Yeah, Leta had to either Hotkey the bunker prior to the doom barrack or he would have a useless bunker that keeps shoots the barrack as vultures just fly by. Alternative was to let the marine out and fight without the bunker.
Bunkers don't always target the right thing. Sometimes a bunker will shoot drones while it's being attacked with lings. Maybe it couldn't attack the vulture because it was attacking the rax.
Great versus Snow! Very interesting. Great is particularly good at zvt, and has a very unusual zvz style, but his zvp is a little less memorable. Snow is boss at pvt but weaker at the other matchups, though still pretty strong. I think this is a good draw for Hentus, and only Movie would've been a better pick. On the other hand, Great has been strong lately making the power rank before this one.
Manner pylon from Snow, lings producing, Snow not trying to skimp on cannons, which does him credit. Most lings stay in greats base to hunt down the probe though. Greats second hatch is at the main at 4.
On October 25 2010 19:56 MisteR wrote: So... Snow is playing really good? Is Great failing after a good first half? Or are they both making so many mistakes that it's impossible to tell?
"this is actually the worst game i've ever seen"
Please elaborate.
Snow is playing pretty well, but its immaterial since great is playing terribly.
On October 25 2010 19:56 MisteR wrote: So... Snow is playing really good? Is Great failing after a good first half? Or are they both making so many mistakes that it's impossible to tell?
"this is actually the worst game i've ever seen"
Please elaborate.
Snow is playing pretty well, but its immaterial since great is playing terribly.
On October 25 2010 19:56 MisteR wrote: So... Snow is playing really good? Is Great failing after a good first half? Or are they both making so many mistakes that it's impossible to tell?
"this is actually the worst game i've ever seen"
Please elaborate.
Snow is playing pretty well, but its immaterial since great is playing terribly.
Yeah pretty much. Snow is not the problem here, Great seems to have played too many hours of lemmings during the break because he's suicided hundreds of units for no reason into stuff like reavers and base defense.
On October 25 2010 19:54 whatusername wrote: this is actually the worst game i've ever seen
Yes because you know what bad and good games are. On another note Snow really impressed me with this 2 base vs 4 base. I really thought he was gonna lose.
This was painful to watch. Great was in a good position until he suicided 30 hydras, some lurkers and lings for killing 1 photon cannon in the upper expansion. Terrible decision making.
On October 25 2010 19:54 whatusername wrote: this is actually the worst game i've ever seen
Yes because you know what bad and good games are. On another note Snow really impressed me with this 2 base vs 4 base. I really thought he was gonna lose.
Snow should have lost getting his goon doomball sandwiched at the choke, harassment mostly not doing that much damage, and letting Great get tons of bases and gas.
It was an awful game by Great. Conga line zerglings into archons most of the time, sending stuff to attack a position with 6 cannons without swarm, no storm dodges, etc. Heck I think he threw two control groups of units at 11 o'clock and only killed like a single cannon - if my whole army vaporised into thin air, it doesn't matter how many bases I have because the fact is I don't have an army to stop him from doing whatever he wants to do.
On October 25 2010 19:54 whatusername wrote: this is actually the worst game i've ever seen
Yes because you know what bad and good games are. On another note Snow really impressed me with this 2 base vs 4 base. I really thought he was gonna lose.
Snow should have lost getting his goon doomball sandwiched at the choke, harassment mostly not doing that much damage, and letting Great get tons of bases and gas.
It was an awful game by Great. Conga line zerglings into archons most of the time, sending stuff to attack a position with 6 cannons without swarm, no storm dodges, etc. Heck I think he threw two control groups of units at 11 o'clock and only killed like a single cannon - if my whole army vaporised into thin air, it doesn't matter how many bases my opponent has because the fact is he no longer has an army to attack with.
You do realise I hope that you are only talking about tactical mistakes. There is also strategy to take into account, and it seems like Great's early game was pretty good, and in the big picture had outmanouvred Snow. That he then proceeds to make terrible tactical decisions ain't good, but that he was in a good position before that should also be considered.
Hm. Skyhigh has a history of hopeless versus protoss games, even though he is a really good player. Brave is a little less talented but extremely good against pressure and he's been in good form. I really hope that Skyhigh can play at least a decent tvp this time around. Brave has hit the jackpot, and it would be unusual for him to not bring it home.
That was the most hilarious thing I witnessed in the last half year: Especially considering the RENAMING of one of the involved players. OMG that was SOOOOOOO epic.
Right. Good work yet again from Brave. He'll be send out for the ace match sooner or later. Skyhigh... I'm sure that he's working his ass off on his tvz and tvp, but it sure as hell ain't working.
On October 25 2010 19:54 whatusername wrote: this is actually the worst game i've ever seen
Yes because you know what bad and good games are. On another note Snow really impressed me with this 2 base vs 4 base. I really thought he was gonna lose.
Snow should have lost getting his goon doomball sandwiched at the choke, harassment mostly not doing that much damage, and letting Great get tons of bases and gas.
It was an awful game by Great. Conga line zerglings into archons most of the time, sending stuff to attack a position with 6 cannons without swarm, no storm dodges, etc. Heck I think he threw two control groups of units at 11 o'clock and only killed like a single cannon - if my whole army vaporised into thin air, it doesn't matter how many bases my opponent has because the fact is he no longer has an army to attack with.
You do realise I hope that you are only talking about tactical mistakes. There is also strategy to take into account, and it seems like Great's early game was pretty good, and in the big picture had outmanouvred Snow. That he then proceeds to make terrible tactical decisions ain't good, but that he was in a good position before that should also be considered.
Tactics are the meat and bread of the strategy. If you can't pull off the tactical component then your strategy will be weak.
Great's early game wasn't that great. Did you watch the game? Snow's build was a heavy tech harass orientated build that, while unable to kill drones, was able to murder a large number of overlords without losing corsairs as well as take down the spire without significant losses. The only two good things Great did that game was the early drone transfer to prevent DTs from slaying his mineral line and sandwiching Snow's army (which then he didn't storm dodge so actually lost more stuff than he killed).
On October 25 2010 19:54 whatusername wrote: this is actually the worst game i've ever seen
Yes because you know what bad and good games are. On another note Snow really impressed me with this 2 base vs 4 base. I really thought he was gonna lose.
Snow should have lost getting his goon doomball sandwiched at the choke, harassment mostly not doing that much damage, and letting Great get tons of bases and gas.
It was an awful game by Great. Conga line zerglings into archons most of the time, sending stuff to attack a position with 6 cannons without swarm, no storm dodges, etc. Heck I think he threw two control groups of units at 11 o'clock and only killed like a single cannon - if my whole army vaporised into thin air, it doesn't matter how many bases my opponent has because the fact is he no longer has an army to attack with.
You do realise I hope that you are only talking about tactical mistakes. There is also strategy to take into account, and it seems like Great's early game was pretty good, and in the big picture had outmanouvred Snow. That he then proceeds to make terrible tactical decisions ain't good, but that he was in a good position before that should also be considered.
Tactics are the meat and bread of the strategy. If you can't pull off the tactical component then your strategy will be weak.
Great's early game wasn't that great. Did you watch the game? Snow's build was a heavy tech harass orientated build that, while unable to kill drones, was able to murder a large number of overlords without losing corsairs as well as take down the spire without significant losses. The only two good things Great did that game was the early drone transfer to prevent DTs from slaying his mineral line and sandwiching Snow's army (which then he didn't storm dodge so actually lost more stuff than he killed).
I did not watch the game, hence why I'm confused. Now I understand, thanks for the explanation.
On October 25 2010 19:54 whatusername wrote: this is actually the worst game i've ever seen
Yes because you know what bad and good games are. On another note Snow really impressed me with this 2 base vs 4 base. I really thought he was gonna lose.
Snow should have lost getting his goon doomball sandwiched at the choke, harassment mostly not doing that much damage, and letting Great get tons of bases and gas.
It was an awful game by Great. Conga line zerglings into archons most of the time, sending stuff to attack a position with 6 cannons without swarm, no storm dodges, etc. Heck I think he threw two control groups of units at 11 o'clock and only killed like a single cannon - if my whole army vaporised into thin air, it doesn't matter how many bases my opponent has because the fact is he no longer has an army to attack with.
You do realise I hope that you are only talking about tactical mistakes. There is also strategy to take into account, and it seems like Great's early game was pretty good, and in the big picture had outmanouvred Snow. That he then proceeds to make terrible tactical decisions ain't good, but that he was in a good position before that should also be considered.
Tactics are the meat and bread of the strategy. If you can't pull off the tactical component then your strategy will be weak.
Great's early game wasn't that great. Did you watch the game? Snow's build was a heavy tech harass orientated build that, while unable to kill drones, was able to murder a large number of overlords without losing corsairs as well as take down the spire without significant losses. The only two good things Great did that game was the early drone transfer to prevent DTs from slaying his mineral line and sandwiching Snow's army (which then he didn't storm dodge so actually lost more stuff than he killed).
I did not watch the game, hence why I'm confused. Now I understand, thanks for the explanation.
Yeah I was eating and moving computers and was busy banging my head for the few minutes I watched.
Oi, Movie versus Stork. Though Movie has stressed that he believes his pvp to be his best matchup, the reality is otherwise and he has been one of the worst pvp players in recent history. Stork obviously is excellent in this matchup and should be the huge favourite. Still I'm glad that Movie gets to play as he's a very smart player.
he scouted with zealot, saw no tech so asumed something was amiss, throwing down cannons when soemthing doesnt add up is a great idea, thats all he did really.
Orion... Was one of the least played players on CJ for ages. Turn is great terran talent. It really shows the change of management that Orion is allowed to play, but I'm not confident that he has the goods to back it up. Not sure what the outcome is most likely to be.
Damn!! I guessed six liqubets right but they gave me 0 points because they were announced too late. And now I started losing, when they started giving points.
Orion loses, not at all unexpected. I really have to question the coach's wisdom in playing Orion over Horang2, Hogil or even Puma. Especially Horang2 was in superb form last season and should be an auto-pick. Hentus still has a long way to go.
Props to KHAN as they show that they're not as hopeless as the previous matches seemed to indicate. Brave and Turn especially are turning out to be two excellent players. Reality also seems a serious prospect and it's a relief that Stork is still alive and kicking.
Surprised that Leta managed to lose to the rookie Reality. O_o Maybe it's because he didn't get much practice while being traded/in transition or something but Leta is a MUCH better player then that.
Also sad to see JangBi really struggling to win as of late. Last proleague he was kicking ass as though he was a second Stork but no-such this year around.
Otherwise Skyhigh losing anything but TvT is pretty much standard, and Stork is definitely a higher class protoss then Movie. I don't know how he was before his OSL finals with Flash last year (about the time when I started watching/following proleague), but he seems to be a pretty medium protoss since and a Fortress bonjwa.
Movie is actually a bit more than a medium toss as he's one of the best pvz players ever and probably the only toss that has made it his specialty, though you could make a case for Bisu. His OSL run was littered with zergs (albeit good ones) which helped him reach the finals. Truth be told, tough, Movie actually performed a lot better than at the moment in that period of time. He lost his confidence after losing the final, which coincided with the start of a lot of unrest in the CJ team. Movie was thought of as the biggest protoss talent but he's lost that title a while ago to either Snow or Stats.
I dont have enough fact to back this up but wasent Movie just on a streak when he got to the final? He played a shitload of zergs and he was just hot as hell in that matchup.
To top that the really good players he had to overcome were protoss players that not really was up to par at that moment in time. I my be wrong but it felt that Movie just had everything going for him during that period and before and after, he just has not been close to that.
1 time is just a fluke if you can not follow it up.
On October 25 2010 22:52 purpose wrote: I dont have enough fact to back this up but wasent Movie just on a streak when he got to the final? He played a shitload of zergs and he was just hot as hell in that matchup.
To top that the really good players he had to overcome were protoss players that not really was up to par at that moment in time. I my be wrong but it felt that Movie just had everything going for him during that period and before and after, he just has not been close to that.
1 time is just a fluke if you can not follow it up.
YESSS KHAN KHAN KHAN KHAN STORK STORK STORK STORK I'm also pretty impressed with Khan's non-star-players this year. They've been playing with flair, and some of them (like Turn and Brave) have been producing results. JangBi, in the other hand...
On October 26 2010 01:01 Elyvilon wrote: Wow, maybe Samsung won't be completely awful this season; Brave and Turn have really been stepping it up.
Jangbi and Great has been garbage, however.
It gives more hope though in some way, that there's new players to count on besides just the old guard. Atm, if Great and Jangbi can up their game again the team will be quite strong, and that doesn't seem too much of a stretch. If it was just them and Stork winning, the team would appear to have much less potential.
Samsung Khan finally bringing up new talent, always nice to see. Their old mainline of Stork-Jangbi-FBH-Great is no more so they really need to bring up new guys, something that every team but Khan has been able to do so far imo.
On October 26 2010 06:08 MuffinDude wrote: Haha. I'm loving the results.
I don't. Great and..... JangBi! I was expecting JangBi to have AT LEAST 50% winrate this season. And Great was doing SO well at last MSL getting to Round of 8. Plus his lategame ZvZ against ZerO.
On October 26 2010 04:09 ArvickHero wrote: what the.. I thought hite was supposed to rape Proleague LOL
QQ that what we all thought
Well let's face it, Coach Cho leaving was a BIG change in Entus. All of the players in Hentus got their unfavorable matchup by exeption of Leta. They need Coach Cho's skill to put players at their favorable matchup back again.
On October 26 2010 04:09 ArvickHero wrote: what the.. I thought hite was supposed to rape Proleague LOL
QQ that what we all thought
Well let's face it, Coach Cho leaving was a BIG change in Entus. All of the players in Hentus got their unfavorable matchup by exeption of Leta. They need Coach Cho's skill to put players at their favorable matchup back again.
The way to be successful at getting players their good matchups is simply to be unpredictable.
On October 26 2010 04:09 ArvickHero wrote: what the.. I thought hite was supposed to rape Proleague LOL
QQ that what we all thought
Well let's face it, Coach Cho leaving was a BIG change in Entus. All of the players in Hentus got their unfavorable matchup by exeption of Leta. They need Coach Cho's skill to put players at their favorable matchup back again.
there's something strange about hearing or saying "Hentus" a bit too similar to..erm...something else.
On October 26 2010 04:09 ArvickHero wrote: what the.. I thought hite was supposed to rape Proleague LOL
QQ that what we all thought
Well let's face it, Coach Cho leaving was a BIG change in Entus. All of the players in Hentus got their unfavorable matchup by exeption of Leta. They need Coach Cho's skill to put players at their favorable matchup back again.
there's something strange about hearing or saying "Hentus" a bit too similar to..erm...something else.
LOL you don't have to say it if you don't want to, but just to be clear are we talking about a Japanese word here?
On October 26 2010 04:09 ArvickHero wrote: what the.. I thought hite was supposed to rape Proleague LOL
QQ that what we all thought
Well let's face it, Coach Cho leaving was a BIG change in Entus. All of the players in Hentus got their unfavorable matchup by exeption of Leta. They need Coach Cho's skill to put players at their favorable matchup back again.
there's something strange about hearing or saying "Hentus" a bit too similar to..erm...something else.
LOL you don't have to say it if you don't want to, but just to be clear are we talking about a Japanese word here?
yeahhhhhhh i feel the same way about saying it hahaha.
On October 26 2010 04:09 ArvickHero wrote: what the.. I thought hite was supposed to rape Proleague LOL
QQ that what we all thought
Well let's face it, Coach Cho leaving was a BIG change in Entus. All of the players in Hentus got their unfavorable matchup by exeption of Leta. They need Coach Cho's skill to put players at their favorable matchup back again.
there's something strange about hearing or saying "Hentus" a bit too similar to..erm...something else.
It would be better to make the players less 1 dimensional though.
Hey, remember when Jangbi had over 70% in PvT? Man, how times have changed
Hey, remember when Shuttle had over 70% in PvP?
I BET YOU DID LAST WEEK. Hohohoho.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
My real reason for posting here - wtf Entus?! Crazy how terrible a coaching change can effect a team. These guys went from killers to starting off REALLY poorly.
Hopefully they turn things around sooner rather than later.
Hey, remember when Jangbi had over 70% in PvT? Man, how times have changed
Hey, remember when Shuttle had over 70% in PvP?
I BET YOU DID LAST WEEK. Hohohoho.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
My real reason for posting here - wtf Entus?! Crazy how terrible a coaching change can effect a team. These guys went from killers to starting off REALLY poorly.
Hopefully they turn things around sooner rather than later.
Remember they lost both their best player and their captain. Although leta will probably be able to fill in the ace spot it is still a hard blow
Hey, remember when Jangbi had over 70% in PvT? Man, how times have changed
Hey, remember when Shuttle had over 70% in PvP?
I BET YOU DID LAST WEEK. Hohohoho.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
My real reason for posting here - wtf Entus?! Crazy how terrible a coaching change can effect a team. These guys went from killers to starting off REALLY poorly.
Hopefully they turn things around sooner rather than later.
Remember they lost both their best player and their captain. Although leta will probably be able to fill in the ace spot it is still a hard blow
Leta is not as good of an ace as Effort by any means. He just doesn't quite make the S class level of play that he needs. I'd really rather bet on Snow becoming Entus ace.
On October 26 2010 07:10 Desutroyah wrote: "you could make a case for bisu?" are you kidding me? Bizu vs Z: 99-48 (67.35%) Movie vs Z: 34-25 (57.63%)
Eventhough i can say more than that, i dont have to. Movie is trash compared to Bisu in PvZ. I mean Bisu revolutionized PvZ
Yeah, but watch Movie PvZs. Even when he loses it wasnt due to decision making (like 90% of toss) it was because he mismicroed or something similar.
He like Bisu fully understands how PvZ works.
Movie has some skill PvZ and he could probably beat any non-S class zerg pretty consistently, but in no way is he anywhere close to the PvZ skill of Bisu. To argue otherwise would be pretty ridiculous.
On October 26 2010 07:10 Desutroyah wrote: "you could make a case for bisu?" are you kidding me? Bizu vs Z: 99-48 (67.35%) Movie vs Z: 34-25 (57.63%)
Eventhough i can say more than that, i dont have to. Movie is trash compared to Bisu in PvZ. I mean Bisu revolutionized PvZ
Yeah, but watch Movie PvZs. Even when he loses it wasnt due to decision making (like 90% of toss) it was because he mismicroed or something similar.
He like Bisu fully understands how PvZ works.
Movie has some skill PvZ and he could probably beat any non-S class zerg pretty consistently, but in no way is he anywhere close to the PvZ skill of Bisu. To argue otherwise would be pretty ridiculous.
On October 27 2010 17:49 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't get it: since when can TurN play starcraft?
Hope he dies well. That would be the surprise of this season, as he was not precisely stellar by the past.
perhaps since he beat YarnC in PL just three months after getting his progamer license? Or maybe it's since he nearly beat a pre-slump Bisu in an awesome game the week after?
The commentators said that the Khan players told them that TurN was really really good. He just lost his confidence after losing to Hydra I guess
On October 26 2010 04:09 ArvickHero wrote: what the.. I thought hite was supposed to rape Proleague LOL
QQ that what we all thought
Well let's face it, Coach Cho leaving was a BIG change in Entus. All of the players in Hentus got their unfavorable matchup by exeption of Leta. They need Coach Cho's skill to put players at their favorable matchup back again.
there's something strange about hearing or saying "Hentus" a bit too similar to..erm...something else.
Khan lost few games on purpose because they felt like they needed to give a few teams handicaps. Entus was too much of a threat so they just decided to win it. They felt like they need to add more suspense in the proleague yeah.
On October 27 2010 17:49 Biff The Understudy wrote: I don't get it: since when can TurN play starcraft?
Hope he dies well. That would be the surprise of this season, as he was not precisely stellar by the past.
You know, wishing someone dieing, even if its in a good way, is not a very nice thing to do?
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