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amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
August 18 2010 16:54 GMT
#41
On August 19 2010 00:24 jalstar wrote:
Bisu is the Michael Cera of progaming.


Hyuk is the McLovin of progaming.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
August 18 2010 17:33 GMT
#42
I love Fantasy and all and would love to see him win a starleague...but honestly I don't think he'll take a single game off Flash in all these upcoming matches. Maybe 1 from cheese.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 17:58:12
August 18 2010 17:57 GMT
#43
Flash and Kal go!!! I hope SKT just gets pwned today like they did in the PL finals YESSS
always tired -_-
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 18 2010 18:00 GMT
#44
Flash haters seems to be gathering their strengths recently. One game from time to time when Flash turtles and all those haters scream that he can't do anything but turtle... Flash wins, that's bad, because he used gay strategy. Flash loses, well, that just proves that he is just plain bad...

Watch a bit more of Flash games to see that the guy is super diverse and can pull out any strategy he wants. And he can pwn noobs not worse than Fantasy for sure. Check his game vs Soulkey from winner's league...
sAAvior
Profile Joined July 2007
Poland248 Posts
August 18 2010 18:14 GMT
#45
Flash vs Fantasy Bo3 + Bo5 one day ?
Epic, but why TvsT for this ? It may last like 4hours combined...
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 18:39:49
August 18 2010 18:20 GMT
#46
On August 19 2010 03:00 Lebesgue wrote:
Flash haters seems to be gathering their strengths recently. One game from time to time when Flash turtles and all those haters scream that he can't do anything but turtle... Flash wins, that's bad, because he used gay strategy. Flash loses, well, that just proves that he is just plain bad...

Watch a bit more of Flash games to see that the guy is super diverse and can pull out any strategy he wants. And he can pwn noobs not worse than Fantasy for sure. Check his game vs Soulkey from winner's league...


I would also like to add that Flash usually plays safe as well because too many people are out to cheese him. 5/10 times he gets cheesed, but still wins of course. Flash can play safe and win cuz he knows hes just plain better. Why does he need to do anything fancy or risky when he's just plain better? Maybe thats why all you haters think he's "boring". He wins off of subtle adjustments and management.
always tired -_-
tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 18:58:12
August 18 2010 18:50 GMT
#47
I know this isn't the thread for it, and we shouldn't be discussing it, but if I kinda want to voice my opinion on the matter.

Best player of all time? I'd say Jaedong. Just simply because of how long he has been at #1 or fighting for #1. I think "time at the top" is a much better standard for best player of all time than "who would win right now". There are some days where non S-Class players look invincible, do we even consider them in these best of all time discussions? No; albeit that is a bit of an over exaggeration in my Jaedong:Flash comparison. What I respect most about Jaedong is just how long he has been dominating, which is something Flash will always be chasing after until Jaedong retires or stops being a bad ass.

Edit:

Read this for a greater grasp on what I mean... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=102206

Edit 2:

Although I agree in a Bo5 I'd give a slight advantage to Flash ATM. But things can change quickly!
just here
sLiMpoweR
Profile Joined March 2009
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 19:01:16
August 18 2010 19:00 GMT
#48
On August 18 2010 15:18 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 15:09 Wings wrote:
Why do so many people cheer for this Fantasy guy???? Blows my mind how people would rather see him play rather than the most skilled player in SC history. Did people already forget how this guy was celebrating like it was the greatest achievement of his life after he all-in proxy 2-fact-ed and won against Flash's fast expand?

Flash is not the most skilled player, there are plenty more skilled than him.
And a lot of people just plain don't like Flash for his style. If you don't like terran then it's pretty boring.


? name another player that has a 70% win ratio in all 3 matchups please.
Team aMg
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 18 2010 19:08 GMT
#49
On August 18 2010 16:58 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 16:31 RandomBS wrote:
Flash is not the most skilled player, there are plenty more skilled than him.


List please, bonus points if it doesn't include JD. And no "compared to the skill at the time" crap either.

You repeated the person 2 posts back almost exactly.
Bisu and Jaedong are better than Flash when they are at their top. And of course, the bonjwas were all better for their time.
I've really only seen Flash beat players of a lower level than him consistently. I have yet to see him show that he is better than everyone else. He just rose when everyone else was not at their top.
Maybe after a few more titles.


I honestly wonder what makes you say this. It can't honestly be because Flash doesn't beat top players like you said, as he has beaten more top players more often in the previous months than Bisu or Jaedong have ever consistently done, and it showed in both his overall statistics and in ELO. It's why he has winning records against both Bisu and Jaedong. :>

You say a "few" more titles but he's already got as many titles as Bisu (More if you count gom) and by any definition of a "few" more he'd have more titles than Jaedong or Nada.
Remember Violet.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
August 18 2010 19:37 GMT
#50
Let's go Bisu. I am pretty sure he will prevail vs Kal - he has always done well versus him if I remember correctly.

Flash vs Fantasy is also very interesting, similar to the Jaedong-Effort relationship. Predicting Flash win.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3397 Posts
August 18 2010 20:05 GMT
#51
On August 19 2010 01:54 amazingoopah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 00:24 jalstar wrote:
Bisu is the Michael Cera of progaming.


Hyuk is the McLovin of progaming.

Quote of the year.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
August 18 2010 20:10 GMT
#52
On August 19 2010 00:24 jalstar wrote:
Bisu is the Michael Cera of progaming.

he'll have to beat 12 ex boyfriends in order for me to believe he is back in form
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
August 18 2010 21:22 GMT
#53
--- Nuked ---
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 21:56:50
August 18 2010 21:56 GMT
#54
On August 19 2010 06:22 InFdude wrote:
Imagine if all 3 games between Flash and Fantasy are like 1 hour long.Then they would have something like 2 hours before the MSL games :D


And then get stuck in a traffic jam, so both ran all the way to the MBC studio, only to play another five games of TvT immediately without even a bathroom break. :D
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 18 2010 22:11 GMT
#55
On August 19 2010 06:56 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 06:22 InFdude wrote:
Imagine if all 3 games between Flash and Fantasy are like 1 hour long.Then they would have something like 2 hours before the MSL games :D


And then get stuck in a traffic jam, so both ran all the way to the MBC studio, only to play another five games of TvT immediately without even a bathroom break. :D



Somebody kidnap Fantasy and replace him with Canata so we'll see something like this.
Sea.JustGod
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
400 Posts
August 18 2010 22:23 GMT
#56
My Predictions:

(T)Flash > (T)Fantasy on Fighting Spirit

(T)Flash < (T)Fantasy on Match Point

(T)Flash < (T)Fantasy on Grand Line SE

+ Show Spoiler [Why?] +
(T)Flash is neglected in this match and (T)Fantasy will give the best of (T)Flash to have revenge in the Semi-Final of the Bigfile MSL.


(P)Bisu > (P)Kal on Fighting Spirit

(P)Bisu < (P)Kal on Match Point

(P)Bisu > (P)Kal on Grand Line SE

+ Show Spoiler [Why?] +
(P)Bisu is the most prepared in this tournament (P)Kal to lost a lot of performance when I was in Round 4 of the Proleague. And unlike muchisimopara (P)Bisu that ah when I was improved this season, Big Changes!!!!
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 18 2010 22:30 GMT
#57
On August 19 2010 03:50 tbrown47 wrote:
I know this isn't the thread for it, and we shouldn't be discussing it, but if I kinda want to voice my opinion on the matter.

Best player of all time? I'd say Jaedong. Just simply because of how long he has been at #1 or fighting for #1. I think "time at the top" is a much better standard for best player of all time than "who would win right now". There are some days where non S-Class players look invincible, do we even consider them in these best of all time discussions? No; albeit that is a bit of an over exaggeration in my Jaedong:Flash comparison. What I respect most about Jaedong is just how long he has been dominating, which is something Flash will always be chasing after until Jaedong retires or stops being a bad ass.

Edit:

Read this for a greater grasp on what I mean... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=102206

Edit 2:

Although I agree in a Bo5 I'd give a slight advantage to Flash ATM. But things can change quickly!


i'm confused as to why this reasoning doesn't mean nada is the best of all time?

ok I suppose he hasn't been #1

but staying in the top 5-10 or so (and winning starleagues) over 4 years apart is a much longer stretch of dominance if you ask me

though ... wait, if jaedong keeps raping in 2011, i suppose that would be 4 years too. hmmmm.


anyway flash vs fantasy should definitely be good since they're clanmates and good friends in addition to being two of the top terrans
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kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
August 18 2010 22:33 GMT
#58
thankfully we have elo to sort out arguments between who's the most skilled without the bitter bias.

Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
August 18 2010 22:41 GMT
#59
Plenty of players more skilled than Flash?

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on TL, and you have stiff competition there, Lightwip.

Anyway, either Flash or Fantasy would play very entertaining games against foreigners. I don't much care who wins, but I hope the games are good because I'll be watching live :D

Rooting for Bisu over Kal. Flash/JD/Bisu would be such an amazing crew to send to LA.
May the BeSt man win.
Tapioca Weasel
Profile Joined January 2010
81 Posts
August 18 2010 22:50 GMT
#60
I think we will likely see the sort of play that Light employed against Effort, not really seeming to rely on standard play in an effort to give an advantage in the later MSL
I want to see July and Reach fight. Like with fists.
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