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[WCG] 2010 Korea Round of 8 Day 2

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Shinshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 17:08:05
August 18 2010 04:57 GMT
#1
Format taken from Kona's threads last year. Thanks to Quasar for making the new custom Teamliquid banner for WCG 2010 and the headers.
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August 19th 12:00 KST

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(T)Flash vs (T)Fantasy
(P)Bisu vs (P)Kal
All matches are Best of 3.

Map Pool
Set 1: Fighting Spirit
Set 2: Match Point
Set 3: Grand Line SE

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(T)Flash < Fighting Spirit > (T)Fantasy
(T)Flash < Match Point > (T)Fantasy
(T)Flash < Grand Line SE > (T)Fantasy

(P)Bisu < Fighting Spirit > (P)Kal
(P)Bisu < Match Point > (P)Kal
(P)Bisu < Grand Line SE > (P)Kal

SKT 0-4 KT 2-0 STX 2-0

How to watch:
Please add below if anyone has any =D
http://kr.wcg.com/Championship/Broadcast/2010/Broadcast.asp
(NOOOO MYSTLORD Good bye & good luck)
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Roffles
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Kentor

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Set 1 Game 2: If you like TvT and would like to see a strong game from the winner proving that he can win a game straight up without build order differentials, this is your game.
Set 2 Game 2: Better of the 2 games if you like PvP, the loser wasn't playing very well overall and winner played how he had to.

Poll: Who will win?

Ultimate Weapon (106)
 
67%

Crown Prince (52)
 
33%

158 total votes

Your vote: Who will win?

(Vote): Ultimate Weapon
(Vote): Crown Prince


Poll: Who will win?

Revolutionist (110)
 
79%

GooJiLa (30)
 
21%

140 total votes

Your vote: Who will win?

(Vote): Revolutionist
(Vote): GooJiLa


Mirrors mirrors on the wall who's the greatest of them all.
BeSt[WHITE] Have a great retirement | "SKT is best KT." - Vortok | http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7190/ep24hitcombo2small.gif
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
August 18 2010 05:03 GMT
#2
Flash will win 2-0. No clue what's going to happen with Bisu/Kal. They're both so inconsistent. Regardless, I don't think either one is going to make it past the winner of Flash/Fantasy so their best hope is to get 3rd place.
JustAnotherKnave
Profile Joined May 2010
United States67 Posts
August 18 2010 05:46 GMT
#3
sweet banner

I wanna see fantasy go to wcg!
and Bisu~ his hotness will last forever
i like your mother
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 05:55:52
August 18 2010 05:55 GMT
#4
Bisu is all that matters.
Fantasy win would be nice too, although I don't expect it to happen.
Bisu-Flash(or Fantasy)-Jaedong to LA pls.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
August 18 2010 06:07 GMT
#5
Ah man Flash is gonna do all sorts of rape on Fantasy >.<

That said I voted Fantasy on liquibet :D since i want him to win but srsly hopes are not high XD
Jaedong and Baby
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
August 18 2010 06:09 GMT
#6
Why do so many people cheer for this Fantasy guy???? Blows my mind how people would rather see him play rather than the most skilled player in SC history. Did people already forget how this guy was celebrating like it was the greatest achievement of his life after he all-in proxy 2-fact-ed and won against Flash's fast expand?
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 18 2010 06:18 GMT
#7
On August 18 2010 15:09 Wings wrote:
Why do so many people cheer for this Fantasy guy???? Blows my mind how people would rather see him play rather than the most skilled player in SC history. Did people already forget how this guy was celebrating like it was the greatest achievement of his life after he all-in proxy 2-fact-ed and won against Flash's fast expand?

Flash is not the most skilled player, there are plenty more skilled than him.
And a lot of people just plain don't like Flash for his style. If you don't like terran then it's pretty boring.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 18 2010 06:20 GMT
#8
Seems like fate or something, they are playing each other in a crucial Bo5 less than a couple hours later...
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
August 18 2010 06:35 GMT
#9
Nooo what happened to mystlord?
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 18 2010 07:00 GMT
#10
On August 18 2010 15:18 Lightwip wrote:
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On August 18 2010 15:09 Wings wrote:
Why do so many people cheer for this Fantasy guy???? Blows my mind how people would rather see him play rather than the most skilled player in SC history. Did people already forget how this guy was celebrating like it was the greatest achievement of his life after he all-in proxy 2-fact-ed and won against Flash's fast expand?

Flash is not the most skilled player, there are plenty more skilled than him.
And a lot of people just plain don't like Flash for his style. If you don't like terran then it's pretty boring.

Name 3. And don't give me any relative to their time period skill crap.
Jaedong
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 07:03:47
August 18 2010 07:03 GMT
#11
Bisu and Flash please. I don't want a slumping Kal representing Korea. Well, I guess it wouldn't be so bad if Fantasy (instead of Flash) advanced though.

*Edit: one more until 1000th!
[TLMS] REBOOT
RandomBS
Profile Joined July 2010
United States130 Posts
August 18 2010 07:31 GMT
#12
Flash is not the most skilled player, there are plenty more skilled than him.


List please, bonus points if it doesn't include JD. And no "compared to the skill at the time" crap either.
"an intelligent zerg will go 2 hatch, my build was designed to take advantage of that and so lost because he went 3 hatch. going 3 hatch is utterly retarded for the reasons i just explained so yes i did lose because he did something dumb." -idra
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 18 2010 07:58 GMT
#13
On August 18 2010 16:31 RandomBS wrote:
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Flash is not the most skilled player, there are plenty more skilled than him.


List please, bonus points if it doesn't include JD. And no "compared to the skill at the time" crap either.

You repeated the person 2 posts back almost exactly.
Bisu and Jaedong are better than Flash when they are at their top. And of course, the bonjwas were all better for their time.
I've really only seen Flash beat players of a lower level than him consistently. I have yet to see him show that he is better than everyone else. He just rose when everyone else was not at their top.
Maybe after a few more titles.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 08:05:38
August 18 2010 08:05 GMT
#14
On August 18 2010 15:09 Wings wrote:
Why do so many people cheer for this Fantasy guy???? Blows my mind how people would rather see him play rather than the most skilled player in SC history. Did people already forget how this guy was celebrating like it was the greatest achievement of his life after he all-in proxy 2-fact-ed and won against Flash's fast expand?


So celebrating is BM now? Does winning vs Flash in an ace game between KT and T1 (aka the biggest team rivalry ever) not warrant some kind of celebration at all?

Either Fantasy or Flash would be awesome to see in LA imo. Two formidable players in their own way.
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
August 18 2010 08:07 GMT
#15
I think it's the nature of Terran that allows him to be more successful too. It seems far more difficult to consistently beat lower skilled players as P or Z as there's always something that can happen in the PvZ and TvZ matchup's to beat even the best. While the traditionally difficult T matchup, PvT is much more figured out these days and T can play as safe as possible.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 18 2010 08:11 GMT
#16
On August 18 2010 16:58 Lightwip wrote:
Bisu and Jaedong are better than Flash when they are at their top.


hello you seem like the SKT version of superarc

can you really say that with a straight face LOL?

jaedong: won starleagues in three consecutive seasons + golden mouse. maybe.
bisu: won two consecutive MSLs. ... didn't qualify for the OSL the first season, 2-0'd by flash (albeit cheese) in Ro8 second season. lol? his second "resurgence" lasted hardly a few months. and he didn't have > 80% winrate.

flash: two consecutive dual finals + WL championship + led team to first place in proleague (and raped pre-round 5 anyway).
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
August 18 2010 08:28 GMT
#17
On August 18 2010 17:07 infinity2k9 wrote:
I think it's the nature of Terran that allows him to be more successful too. It seems far more difficult to consistently beat lower skilled players as P or Z as there's always something that can happen in the PvZ and TvZ matchup's to beat even the best. While the traditionally difficult T matchup, PvT is much more figured out these days and T can play as safe as possible.

I agree with this. To be honest, while I trust a good terran to win against a decent protoss 80% of the time, I'm not always confident that Bisu will crush a weak zerg simply because they can pull some BS out of their dirty zerg hat(see:(Z)by.hero). TvZ is pretty metagame based, it's a matchup that evolves a lot. PvT isn't that toss-favored either sometimes.
On the other hand, I'm always particularly surprised if someone of a standard skill level takes a game off an S-class terran(Flash any or Skyhigh TvT, Light TvZ etc). It's really not as easy to do.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
August 18 2010 08:35 GMT
#18
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_romantic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States455 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 08:47:17
August 18 2010 08:44 GMT
#19
On August 18 2010 16:58 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2010 16:31 RandomBS wrote:
Flash is not the most skilled player, there are plenty more skilled than him.


List please, bonus points if it doesn't include JD. And no "compared to the skill at the time" crap either.

You repeated the person 2 posts back almost exactly.
Bisu and Jaedong are better than Flash when they are at their top. And of course, the bonjwas were all better for their time.
I've really only seen Flash beat players of a lower level than him consistently. I have yet to see him show that he is better than everyone else. He just rose when everyone else was not at their top.
Maybe after a few more titles.


Bisu and Jaedong were not more "skilled" than Flash. Proof:

You look at who they lost to, and how. How do you count that? You use matchup ELOs, and you'll see that when Flash loses, it's usually to people with very, very high vT matchup ELOs or people whose highest matchup ELO is vT. That's been the case, day in, day out. That's not the case with Jaedong or Bisu (especially Bisu, where people like Sea beat him at PvT).

You want to measure his performance against "the best"? Let's do a head to head comparison with the players you say are better than Flash--Jaedong and Bisu. Flash has a winning record of 16-15 against Jaedong and their last Bo5, in the MSL FINALS of all places, ended in a 3-0 prison rape. Against Bisu, Flash has a winning record of 12-9 (or 11-8 in standard leagues) which turns into 9-4 when you don't count WCG and GOM. So how is Flash less skilled than them?
Jaedong beats other players. Bisu beats other players, in PL. Flash beats Starcraft.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
August 18 2010 08:46 GMT
#20
Lightwip, it's one thing to dislike Flash and Terran in general but you lose all credibility when you say retarded things like "there are plenty of players more skilled than Flash". If you can't separate your personal bias from at least somewhat reasonably objective evaluations of skill then you shouldn't say anything. It's especially bad because you've demonstrated time and time again that you have no interest in learning anything about Terran, and thus have no leg to stand on whatsoever when it comes to judging Terran player skill.
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