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[SPL] Playoffs: STX SouL vs SK Telecom T1, Day 2 - Page 10

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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
August 01 2010 04:33 GMT
#181
Kal must do damage to Bisu.
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Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
August 01 2010 04:34 GMT
#182
2 zeals, 2 goons for both players.

Kal being sneaky! Jumping a probe past the bottom mienrals to scout.

Bisu with godly star sense, sends a goon down to protect his fledging expoes. Pretty sure Kal ses it anyway though
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shadesofkarma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Romania708 Posts
August 01 2010 04:34 GMT
#183
mirrors on outsider are pretty interesting
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
August 01 2010 04:34 GMT
#184
Reaver is out!

Kal off to harass
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
August 01 2010 04:35 GMT
#185
Bisu doing the same as Kal, jumping probes along the 3 oclock expoes. Kal warping a Nexus at his eastern min only.

Reaver+shuttle out for Kal. Bisu moving about the center with his goons.

Bisu just now warping his robo support bay. Late reaavers!

BISU STAR SENSE?
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 06:40:32
August 01 2010 04:35 GMT
#186
On August 01 2010 12:58 catabowl wrote:
Bogus <Match Point> Fantasy: Fantasy is having problems in TvT lately: Adv STX
Modesty <Roadrunner> Canata Canata just fails outside TvT: Adv STX
Hero <Grand Line SE> s2 s2 fails more ZvZ than succeeds: Adv STX
Kal <Fighting Spirit> Bisu Bisu owns PvP: Adv SKT
Clam <Judgment Day> Hyuk Calm only likes ZvZ: Adv STX
CuteAngel <Fortress> Best Best owns PvT: Adv SKT

Ace match:

Hero <New Heartbreak Ridge> Fantasy: Fail snipe by coach just like sending Modesty for Best on Roadrunner: Adv SKT (Some could argue no adv in ace match b/c of Fantasy's TvZ history)

So lets add this up:

4 for STX
3 for SKT

Perfect opp to go up 1-0 for STX and they didn't deliver. SKT1 will win 4-1 or 4-2 tonight.


This took a while to compile (hey, it rhymes!), so let's hope I don't derail at this point, but I disagree. Completely. STX has had 0 luck with MUs so far. Bogus and hero winning were upsets that could have gotten them somewhere, but hero's win was offset by Modesty's loss, and upsetting only one of SKT's four (three and a halfHyuk?) isn't good enough to beat SKT - and we all know this. To beat SKT you need to get at least two of Bisu vs T, BeSt vs Z, fantasy vs Z, and then win those games. Otherwise you'll almost certainly face an ace match, and SKT is the scariest team in that scenario because you don't know who's coming.

And I have numbers, too!

My randomly scientific formula (as in, seemed reasonable and I had no idea what would happen): Take the last ten PL games in MU. Calculate. Last night:

fantasy 7-3 T > T 0-3 Bogus; SKT adv +7
Canata 3-7 T < Z 3-3 Modesty; STX adv +4
s2 6-4 ZvZ 3 > 7 hero; SKT adv +3
Bisu 6-4 P > P 4-6 Kal; SKT adv +2
Hyuk 3-7 Z < Z 4-6 Calm; STX adv +1
BeSt 9-1 P > T 5-5 CuteAngel; SKT adv +4
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Ace: fantasy 7-3 T > Z 4-6 hero; SKT adv +3

Total SKT adv: 5 games, 19 points
Total STX adv: 2 games, 5 points

Net advantage: 14 points to SKT, or favored at 6-4 vs 4-6 records for "average" game.

(Note: some of the numbers are essentially silly as results go back to the 08-09 season or even the 07 Proleague (CuteAngel's TvP for example). But in no case did they result in unreasonable estimates.)

And the carnage continues for STX's MU draws: Tonight:

fantasy 8-2 T > P 5-5 Shuttle; SKT adv +3
Bisu 6-4 P > P 3-7 Kal; SKT adv +3
BeSt 6-4 P > Z 0-5 Modesty; SKT adv +6
s2 6-4 Z > Z 3-7 hero; SKT adv +3
soo 2-8 Z < Z 4-6 Calm; STX adv +2
Canata 4 > 6 TvT 2-8 Frozean; SKT adv +2
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Ace: fantasy 8-2 T > P 4-6 Kal; SKT adv +4

Total SKT adv: 6 games, 21 points
Total STX adv: 1 game, 2 points

Net advantage: 19 points to SKT, approximately 7-3 vs 4-6 for average game

Total SKT adv, series: 11 games, 40 points
Total STX adv, series: 3 games, 7 points

Net advantage, series: 33 points to SKT, approximately 6-4 vs 4-6 for average game

STX manufactured some wins anyhow, so this obviously isn't the most accurate metric.
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Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
August 01 2010 04:35 GMT
#187
8KILLS!
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
August 01 2010 04:35 GMT
#188
BISU INCHES INCHES AWAY FROM CATCHING SHUTTLE WITH HIS CENTER GOONS MISSES IT BY A SCREEN

KAL DROPS REAVER AT BISUS EXPO,

SCARAB DAEBAK KILLS LIKE 8 PROBES
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
AndrewTo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States40 Posts
August 01 2010 04:35 GMT
#189
GG KAL REAVER!!!!!!
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9777 Posts
August 01 2010 04:35 GMT
#190
BISU MAY INTERCEPT SHUTTLE

SHUTTLE GOING TO BISU'S MIN ONLY
MASSIVE SCARAB
TONS OF DEAD PROBES
boomer hands
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 01 2010 04:35 GMT
#191
KAL fighting!
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
manymunkies
Profile Joined April 2009
United States184 Posts
August 01 2010 04:35 GMT
#192
REAVER DAEBAK!
Be water my friend
shadesofkarma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Romania708 Posts
August 01 2010 04:35 GMT
#193
omg kal hax
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
August 01 2010 04:36 GMT
#194
8 probe kills in 1 shot XD
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 01 2010 04:36 GMT
#195
Huge reaver harass for Kal...
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9777 Posts
August 01 2010 04:36 GMT
#196
kal with a really brave shuttle goes into the main to net another 3 kills
boomer hands
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
August 01 2010 04:36 GMT
#197
SPEED SHUTTLE REAVER DROP IN BISUS MAIN

Reaver kills 2 probes while a goon is sacrificed to Bisu's angry goons. Kal retreats.

Kal's expo is up, Bisu behind.
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
Ursadon-n-Pals
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States928 Posts
August 01 2010 04:36 GMT
#198
ARGH Bisu almost scouted that too T_T
Nothing worth having comes easy.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
August 01 2010 04:36 GMT
#199
Now bisu's turn.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
August 01 2010 04:37 GMT
#200
Niceeeee Kal.
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