EPTDreamliner should be a win for JD, but then?
Flash is shithard to beat anyway, but even if the map is just slightly in favour of T, its almost impossible.
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Keidy
253 Posts
Dreamliner should be a win for JD, but then? Flash is shithard to beat anyway, but even if the map is just slightly in favour of T, its almost impossible. | ||
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
On September 08 2010 04:11 Keidy wrote: The map-pool seems kinda T favoured, again. Dreamliner should be a win for JD, but then? Flash is shithard to beat anyway, but even if the map is just slightly in favour of T, its almost impossible. I actually think the maps are very balanced. Dreamliner balances PR, and EotS, and GL are pretty even. Any slight T favor is to be expected, just by the nature of the game. (T>Z>P>T) I really wish JD had played OSL first when he had all that momentum. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
EOTS - 53.7% TvZ PR - 63.4% TvZ GLSE - 61.8% TvZ DL - 23.1% ZvT Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg. 2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced. I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still... | ||
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
On September 08 2010 09:00 mierin wrote: Are the maps really very balanced? EOTS - 53.7% TvZ PR - 63.4% TvZ GLSE - 61.8% TvZ DL - 23.1% ZvT Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg. 2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced. I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still... DL is still very very new and JD has shown he can play pretty impressive ZvT on GLSE. (Given the most recent in memory were WCG). I would take these OSL maps over the MSL maps any day. On top of that, EotS is the map played twice, so hopefully the Dong won't go for a greedy build like he did in MSL. Further, Flash seems more distressed about DL than JD about PR, which may make Flash try and finish this before it gets to set 4, and I think that plays into JD's hands assuming he can pull a win in g1 or g3. The problem with the MSL as compared to the OSL, is instead of maps that seemed to only favor terran, we now have a zerg favored map. Maybe as single maps they don't seem balanced, but i think as a set, they balance out pretty well. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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pronesc
United States31 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On September 09 2010 07:35 pronesc wrote: If Jaedong could play mind-games with Flash instead of vice-versa, it would be awesome. Rooting for Jaedong. But maybe Jaedong never mindgaming is but a mindgame in itself....o.O | ||
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FirstProbe
1206 Posts
On September 08 2010 09:00 mierin wrote: Are the maps really very balanced? EOTS - 53.7% TvZ PR - 63.4% TvZ GLSE - 61.8% TvZ DL - 23.1% ZvT Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg. 2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced. I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still... It might be worth considering the current form of the top terran players, and the impact they've had on the map statistics. It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that there have been at least four terran players in very good form (Flash, Fantasy, Light, Sea), and that their success, while influenced by, is not significantly dependent on the map pool. These statistics are therefore likely to overestimate the contribution of the map/matchup on the result. IIRC and conversely (vague memory), Flash made one map seem balanced, while the rest of the terran's struggled. | ||
monk
United States8476 Posts
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FirstProbe
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Deletrious
United States458 Posts
On September 09 2010 14:25 FirstProbe wrote: It might be worth considering the current form of the top terran players, and the impact they've had on the map statistics. It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that there have been at least four terran players in very good form (Flash, Fantasy, Light, Sea), and that their success, while influenced by, is not significantly dependent on the map pool. These statistics are therefore likely to overestimate the contribution of the map/matchup on the result. IIRC and conversely (vague memory), Flash made one map seem balanced, while the rest of the terran's struggled. On the other hand, didn't the 6 toss dragon period occur at a time maps were pretty toss favored, iirc. If the MSL maps were to obvious a problem to ignore, the OSL maps I think you have to call close enough. Jaedong's big problem I think, if he doesn't win set one now he has to win on either of the T favored maps before he can get to Dreamliner. Of course Dreamliner being very new has not been played out, and that means there is more Flash can potentially do that will be creative. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 10 2010 00:16 Deletrious wrote: On the other hand, didn't the 6 toss dragon period occur at a time maps were pretty toss favored, iirc. Partially. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Six_Dragons#Maps Good toss maps, but not ridiculously so for the most part. | ||
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FirstProbe
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
Edit: Actually, I'm fairly sure most of the Batoo OSL happened in 09. | ||
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Sliver
United States402 Posts
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 11 2010 14:42 Sliver wrote: Hey guys, sorry if I'm out of line, but when do these matches start? See where it says 'Calendar' at the top right of the page? click on it. | ||
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