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[R&S] 2010 Korean Air OSL Season 2 - Page 8

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Keidy
Profile Joined June 2009
253 Posts
September 07 2010 19:11 GMT
#141
The map-pool seems kinda T favoured, again.

Dreamliner should be a win for JD, but then?
Flash is shithard to beat anyway, but even if the map is just slightly in favour of T, its almost impossible.

Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
September 07 2010 20:14 GMT
#142
On September 08 2010 04:11 Keidy wrote:
The map-pool seems kinda T favoured, again.

Dreamliner should be a win for JD, but then?
Flash is shithard to beat anyway, but even if the map is just slightly in favour of T, its almost impossible.



I actually think the maps are very balanced. Dreamliner balances PR, and EotS, and GL are pretty even. Any slight T favor is to be expected, just by the nature of the game. (T>Z>P>T) I really wish JD had played OSL first when he had all that momentum.
Jaedong and Baby
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 00:01:07
September 08 2010 00:00 GMT
#143
Are the maps really very balanced?

EOTS - 53.7% TvZ

PR - 63.4% TvZ

GLSE - 61.8% TvZ

DL - 23.1% ZvT

Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg.

2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced.

I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still...
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
September 08 2010 02:04 GMT
#144
On September 08 2010 09:00 mierin wrote:
Are the maps really very balanced?

EOTS - 53.7% TvZ

PR - 63.4% TvZ

GLSE - 61.8% TvZ

DL - 23.1% ZvT

Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg.

2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced.

I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still...


DL is still very very new and JD has shown he can play pretty impressive ZvT on GLSE. (Given the most recent in memory were WCG). I would take these OSL maps over the MSL maps any day. On top of that, EotS is the map played twice, so hopefully the Dong won't go for a greedy build like he did in MSL. Further, Flash seems more distressed about DL than JD about PR, which may make Flash try and finish this before it gets to set 4, and I think that plays into JD's hands assuming he can pull a win in g1 or g3. The problem with the MSL as compared to the OSL, is instead of maps that seemed to only favor terran, we now have a zerg favored map. Maybe as single maps they don't seem balanced, but i think as a set, they balance out pretty well.
Jaedong and Baby
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 08 2010 02:51 GMT
#145
^ Points well taken. Makes me even more excited :-)
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
September 08 2010 04:15 GMT
#146
Hopefully Flash doesn't greed too hard. Jaedong will probably be aggressive, since that's when he wins.
pronesc
Profile Joined July 2010
United States31 Posts
September 08 2010 22:35 GMT
#147
If Jaedong could play mind-games with Flash instead of vice-versa, it would be awesome. Rooting for Jaedong.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 09 2010 05:13 GMT
#148
On September 09 2010 07:35 pronesc wrote:
If Jaedong could play mind-games with Flash instead of vice-versa, it would be awesome. Rooting for Jaedong.


But maybe Jaedong never mindgaming is but a mindgame in itself....o.O
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
September 09 2010 05:25 GMT
#149
On September 08 2010 09:00 mierin wrote:
Are the maps really very balanced?

EOTS - 53.7% TvZ

PR - 63.4% TvZ

GLSE - 61.8% TvZ

DL - 23.1% ZvT

Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg.

2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced.

I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still...



It might be worth considering the current form of the top terran players, and the impact they've had on the map statistics. It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that there have been at least four terran players in very good form (Flash, Fantasy, Light, Sea), and that their success, while influenced by, is not significantly dependent on the map pool. These statistics are therefore likely to overestimate the contribution of the map/matchup on the result.

IIRC and conversely (vague memory), Flash made one map seem balanced, while the rest of the terran's struggled.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
September 09 2010 08:03 GMT
#150
to above poster: Katrina or Medusa?
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FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
September 09 2010 08:30 GMT
#151
Thanks! Both of those, but I thought it was another map.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 09 2010 13:21 GMT
#152
I think JD will take it. He learns any weakness players have, if someone beats flash he will study it and see how it was done and then replicate it. It's just how he is.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
September 09 2010 15:16 GMT
#153
On September 09 2010 14:25 FirstProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2010 09:00 mierin wrote:
Are the maps really very balanced?

EOTS - 53.7% TvZ

PR - 63.4% TvZ

GLSE - 61.8% TvZ

DL - 23.1% ZvT

Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg.

2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced.

I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still...



It might be worth considering the current form of the top terran players, and the impact they've had on the map statistics. It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that there have been at least four terran players in very good form (Flash, Fantasy, Light, Sea), and that their success, while influenced by, is not significantly dependent on the map pool. These statistics are therefore likely to overestimate the contribution of the map/matchup on the result.

IIRC and conversely (vague memory), Flash made one map seem balanced, while the rest of the terran's struggled.


On the other hand, didn't the 6 toss dragon period occur at a time maps were pretty toss favored, iirc.

If the MSL maps were to obvious a problem to ignore, the OSL maps I think you have to call close enough. Jaedong's big problem I think, if he doesn't win set one now he has to win on either of the T favored maps before he can get to Dreamliner. Of course Dreamliner being very new has not been played out, and that means there is more Flash can potentially do that will be creative.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
September 09 2010 16:10 GMT
#154
On September 10 2010 00:16 Deletrious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 14:25 FirstProbe wrote:
On September 08 2010 09:00 mierin wrote:
Are the maps really very balanced?

EOTS - 53.7% TvZ

PR - 63.4% TvZ

GLSE - 61.8% TvZ

DL - 23.1% ZvT

Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg.

2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced.

I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still...



It might be worth considering the current form of the top terran players, and the impact they've had on the map statistics. It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that there have been at least four terran players in very good form (Flash, Fantasy, Light, Sea), and that their success, while influenced by, is not significantly dependent on the map pool. These statistics are therefore likely to overestimate the contribution of the map/matchup on the result.

IIRC and conversely (vague memory), Flash made one map seem balanced, while the rest of the terran's struggled.


On the other hand, didn't the 6 toss dragon period occur at a time maps were pretty toss favored, iirc.


Partially. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Six_Dragons#Maps

Good toss maps, but not ridiculously so for the most part.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
September 09 2010 19:05 GMT
#155
I think both Light, Sea and Fantasy have been good for a good period of time, at least in the proleague setting.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 16:44:50
September 10 2010 16:41 GMT
#156
I believe Batoo was 08/09 rather than just 08?

Edit: Actually, I'm fairly sure most of the Batoo OSL happened in 09.
wat
Sliver
Profile Joined April 2010
United States402 Posts
September 11 2010 05:42 GMT
#157
Hey guys, sorry if I'm out of line, but when do these matches start?
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
September 11 2010 05:46 GMT
#158
On September 11 2010 14:42 Sliver wrote:
Hey guys, sorry if I'm out of line, but when do these matches start?

See where it says 'Calendar' at the top right of the page? click on it.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
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