EPT[MSL] Ro16 Day 4
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Yay~ | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
Jangbi 2-1 Fantasy 2-1 Movie 2-1. This is going to be a long night (especially the first match) which is a good thing. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On April 24 2010 16:56 flamewheel91 wrote: sameWhew, hi bo I was just sitting here and was like "wtf nobody's going to make it" and then you come along. Yay~ <3 | ||
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Baby > MVP... ... NOOO Why do I have to choose  I guess Midas > Jangbi then.Clam > fantasy Movie < great | ||
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Inkblood
United States463 Posts
Baby 2-1 Should be exciting. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32273 Posts
Midas Hard to call Movie. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Comeback time! | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Baby's depot speeds his scv-spawns Baby scouting early, a really forward rax MVP walls with his rax, starts his gas | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Both players start their factories at almost the same time | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Both players complete their factories at the same time. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Baby sends his rine all the way to MVP's nat, backs off after trading hits from MVP's rine MVP expands Baby builds a CC in his main | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
MVP starts his 2nd factory as does Baby, a little later Baby starts his first machine shop while MVP builds more vultures | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Baby also massing a few vultures, his shop researching, mines probably | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
MVP's nat is already done both players adding their 3rd factories | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
MVP has more vultures than Baby, for now single rine shooting at Baby's floating rax in MVP's main Baby moving out with 6 vults but MVP has 7 at his nat | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
now Baby's rine shooting at MVP's flating rax MVP's vultures attack baby's nat - scvs pulled! Baby in bad shape as MVP has a lot more vultures | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
4 more vultures from MVP coming forwards the tank destroyed! | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Baby move your tank FFS!! AHHH VULTS GET UP THE RAMP! Very bad position for Baby! TANK GOES DOWN! This looks over now unless another tank comes out ASAP | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
mines done for mvp, 2 laid in Baby's main | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Tank dead! Two vults in Baby's main! More coming in... Mineu!!!!!!! Whoa, tank holds it off. Baby survives, but that was a pretty big loss for him... MVP adding armory. | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Baby finally able to hold that off, but it cost him SO MANY SCVs, and MVP's econ is superior. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
he's way behind though MVP adding an armory first wraith under construction for Baby more vultures push into Baby's nat, mines laid | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
raping scvs blocking the ramp | ||
GTR
51407 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Tank goes down.. again. This time MVP can mine up those facs... GG MVP ADVANCES! | ||
monk
United States8476 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Battle in Baby's main leads to a few vults left for MVP and a tank left for Baby, and scvs try to repair tank, but it gets killed. GG from BaBy! MVP ADVANCES TO THE ROUND OF 8 LOL. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
that was very short Baby's head rocks back | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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kyzers0ze
Singapore1073 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
To lose in such a manner... | ||
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Barfboy
Canada193 Posts
unless some obscene and unexpected miracle occurs and he beats flash 2 times in a row in the OSL hes gonna be out of both leagues | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:15 SuperArc wrote: No Baby vs JD or Baby vs Flash. In OSL there's BaBy vs Flash, yes? But Flash will stomp him. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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GTR
51407 Posts
not as epic as i would have thought | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:16 GTR wrote: not as epic as i would have thought I kind of expected this. | ||
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Inkblood
United States463 Posts
GG | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:16 Barfboy wrote: GG poor baby unless some obscene and unexpected miracle occurs and he beats flash 2 times in a row in the OSL hes gonna be out of both leaguesBaby still needs a lot more experience to compete at the highest levels. He always seems to fall whenever something unusual happens or when something he's never faced before comes up. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
http://tv.zeroboy.net/grobycsstarcraftstream (LQ) | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
He closes his eyes... | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
MVP is going to get annihilated so hard | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:18 Zona wrote: MVP is positively giddy as he is interviewed. Big smile, lots of laughter. Yet his fanbase is like 15, and still gets little hype. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:19 FireGuyX wrote: Yet his fanbase is like 15, and still gets little hype. Join the MVP fanbase today! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Nice Pepsi ad. | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:16 GTR wrote: not as epic as i would have thought lolololololol. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Wow that Dr You energy looks really yummy. | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:16 GTR wrote: not as epic as i would have thought Wow, only 201 more people thought MVP will sweep the floor with this scrub | ||
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scsnow
Slovenia515 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
Yeah MVP is a serious contender, he upset Stork in GoM season 3, then defeated Stork and Best who have excellent PvT. Now he just defeated baby to advance to the Ro8, watch out for this guy. | ||
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Fx_
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
OMG this is super timing!! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
The lingering shot of Bisu's pretty mug is a stab in the heart, though. | ||
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cunninglinguists
United States925 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:19 FireGuyX wrote: Yet his fanbase is like 15, and still gets little hype. 15? You're being too generous. Doesn't MVP have insanely high APM for a progamer yet still lose due to poor decision-making? Well it seems like he's been improving as of late; free confirmed in his interview that MVP is playing the best of his career (which actually isn't to say that much considering you can hardly call his chain of losses a career) but I'm glad that it seems like he's picking his game up. ZerO/Violet were both terrible too for a while before breaking out big. Hopefully MVP can follow in their footsteps and give Stars the Terran backbone it needs in order to be a top-tier team. Also, people need to stop saying stupid shit like "Baby should've advanced." You "should" advance only when you've beaten your opponent. If you've done that, then you deserve to move on no matter the popularity/momentum of your opponent. MVP deserved to advance because he won, simple as that. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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bentnormal
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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GTR
51407 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
The king whose touch turns things into gold. 8-2 in his last 10 games, a lot against players MSL deems as strong! He puffs his cheeks. Jangbi looking comfortable. 17th in Kespa rank. The "fighting" cheer for him mostly male. | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:25 cunninglinguists wrote: " You "should" advance only when your opponent. If you've done that, then you deserve to move on no matter the popularity/momentum of your opponent. done what? | ||
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GTR
51407 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas the blue terran at 11. Jangbi the red toss at 1! | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:26 JohnColtrane wrote: GO JANGBI! bobba this midas nub you sure you are a terran/wemade fox fan? o.O | ||
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cunninglinguists
United States925 Posts
Sorry. It should've said "you've beaten your opponent." | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:27 SuperArc wrote: you sure you are a terran/wemade fox fan? o.O i just put the logo there because i met nada and hero | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi builds his gateway at his nat choke | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:25 cunninglinguists wrote: 15? You're being too generous. Doesn't MVP have insanely high APM for a progamer yet still lose due to poor decision-making? Well it seems like he's been improving as of late; free confirmed in his interview that MVP is playing the best of his career (which actually isn't to say that much considering you can hardly call his chain of losses a career) but I'm glad that it seems like he's picking his game up. ZerO/Violet were both terrible too for a while before breaking out big. Hopefully MVP can follow in their footsteps and give Stars the Terran backbone it needs in order to be a top-tier team. Also, people need to stop saying stupid shit like "Baby should've advanced." You "should" advance only when you've beaten your opponent. If you've done that, then you deserve to move on no matter the popularity/momentum of your opponent. MVP deserved to advance because he won, simple as that. Those 15 people are woojinstar fans, lol. But anyways I'm not like that, I give MVP all the credit in the world, he played a great game. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
jangbi either looking for some early harrass or some early expansions..  | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi scouting wrong | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Core for Jangbi | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
rine vs zealot micro Midas keeping his scv alive and the commentators yell in excitement | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flipped sides as the Zealot tried to attack it! LOVE IT! | ||
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Barfboy
Canada193 Posts
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Flushot
United States218 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
probe killed a rine | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
3 kills total on the zealot? Jangbi getting goon range and his robo | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
still on 1 gate | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas starts his nat expo, drives 2 goons back with his tank/rine Support bay done for Jangbi | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
reaver loaded into the shuttle - here it comes! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
The shuttle comes! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Wow Midas with the Tank micro to barely lose any health on that tank. Uh oh but Jangbi pushing in at the front... Siege tank stops that.. WAAA SHUTTLE!!! OMG | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
one scarab hits the a tank! Midas really minimizing damage by moving his tanks backwards bunker helps Midas hold off goons at his nat shuttle runs into a turret and takes lots of hits | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
D8 | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Flushot
United States218 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
he brings it back home 2nd factory for Midas | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
up to 4 gates | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:35 Lann555 wrote: Remember when Jangbi used to be good? I remember how he needed tons and tons of storms to beat Nada. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Cute fangirl with hairband | ||
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Flushot
United States218 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Citadel for Jangbi | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas moving out with 5 tanks 3 vultures 1 rine | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
His push is halfway across the map to Jangbi's nat very low on vultures though Midas expanding to 9 scarabs pick off 2 vultures Midas rallying a lot of vultures now though | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
reaver dropped there tanks falling left and right! | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
HERE IT COMES. JANGBI ALL UP IN MIDAS HIS SHIT AND RAPES THE PUSH | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
reavers come into play there are no mines! where are the vults midas caught out of position | ||
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Flushot
United States218 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas now in deep shit as Jangbi's army reaches the bridge maynarding SCVs drafted to fight! | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
it's over | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
midas fighting with scv's no avail jangbi has too much in midas' main tanks sieging up | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
but it's just a matter of time archives for janbgi | ||
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Flushot
United States218 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas building another factory, slowly pushing forwards with tanks towards 12? | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
midas just chillin in his base trying to get his tank count back up | ||
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ZavikZyke
United States382 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
his cc is slowly flying overrr | ||
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Zona
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
midas' push got raped again. and midas GG's | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
kill one probe in the maynard Jangbi engages as Midas floats his CC towards 12 with his tanks sieged below the cliff! CC dead Jangbi with so many goons Midas concedes 1-1! | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
MIDAS GG's. GOOOOO JANGBI! | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
1-1 now. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:41 ZavikZyke wrote: Cmon Midas you can win Nop GG | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
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owenowens33
United States94 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32273 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:43 Biff The Understudy wrote: That was brutal. Midas got completely outplayed... Meh, his push was poorly executed, but Jangbi didn't do anything special either. Reaver harass was very dissapointing | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
jangbi will take game 3 and advance the rest of the games dont matter to me | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas actually looks more relaxed than before his first game today. But momentum is against him | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi the purple Toss at 7. Midas the white terran at 1! | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Go Jangbi! | ||
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Flushot
United States218 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:43 Lann555 wrote: Meh, his push was poorly executed, but Jangbi didn't do anything special either. Reaver harass was very dissapointing I second this. Also, his last 'attack' at the end was completely suicidal with that positioning. I really think he just wanted to start game 3. | ||
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Zona
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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owenowens33
United States94 Posts
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
Hopefully Midas can recover and win this, he's the only player I wanna see go deep this MSL. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi starts his first gate a split second later Midas trying to chase the probe with an SCV as the probe tries to harass the SCV building the rax | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
first rine out Jangbi prepares to expand to his nat | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Both players expand to their nats Jangbi still has no gas | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 17:47 FireGuyX wrote: Jangbi should of tried that one cheese that Pure did against Fantasy. I think he can play standard if Midas shows the same stuff as last game. Match Point often ends up in high macro games and Jangbi used to be really fucking good at that | ||
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Zona
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Zona
40426 Posts
3 zealots approach Midas's nat | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
they focus on the scv building the factory, but the factory finishes and a machine stop starts immediately | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
2 mismanaged probes hang out by Jangbi's nat gas | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
robo for jangbi zealots cleaned out of midas's base, finally he builds his 2nd factory jangbi fixes his probes at his nat gas | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
citadel and observatory for Jangbi Midas drops a mine outside Jangbi's potential 3rd | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi loses a goon to mines archives for Jangbi, it's scanned | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas builds an ebay and starport as well as his 3rd factory | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Tribunal starts | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
his starport is constructing a wraith as Jangi moves out with a shuttle | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1208 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
reaver dropped as Midas starts his 3rd at 3, but it's cancelled before the scarab goes off Midas's scv even dodged the scarab! | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi starts his 3rd at 9 he arrives at the lowground below Jangbi's nat - lots of probes die! | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
shuttle arrives back at Jangbi's main! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
2 vultures attacking jangbi's mineral line all of midas's tanks die! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas with wall-like buildings and 2 tanks behind | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1208 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas upgrading from double armory Jangbi has an obs over Midas's factories | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
He's got a few turrets lining the left of his main and a vessel ready | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
he also attacks with goons by ground at the same time Midas's 4 defending tanks raped immediately repair on the cc! more tanks arrive and siege up and jangbi backs off 2 vultures snipe the probe chilling at 11 | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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Xeln4g4
Italy1208 Posts
PS: well i think like one at least :-) | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
another fleet of vultures move out though towards 11 Jangbi takes his 4th at 11. | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Lots of mines in Midas's main for recall defense Goons move to 12 and attack the ebay there probe starts a pylon there - does Jangbi want that base? Midas moving out with a mass of tanks and supporting cast 7 factories for Midas, 2 shops recall on Midas's main! armory being attacked! | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
both armories killed - now goons surround the main cc - it dies the surviving goons now moving among the depots | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi attacks towards 3 Midas's moving tanks siege with no support stasis on 2 vessels and some units! Jangbi splits his army and sends some to kill the base at t! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi expanding to 12 with 4 cannons Now goons are going to kill off the floating CC at 5! Midas in deep trouble Midas moving out again with another army | ||
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owenowens33
United States94 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Xeln4g4
Italy1208 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi running his army through the mines and loses a lot of zealots | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi countering at Midas's 3rd! | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
MINE!!! OMG MINE!!! MINES > ZEALOTS!!!!! | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
He is going for the counterattack! This could be disastrous for Jangbi | ||
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owenowens33
United States94 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas destroys Janbi's nat! | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
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GTR
51407 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7763 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Goons taking down MIdas's 3rd, while Midas sieges at Jangbi's main choke! | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:02 owenowens33 wrote: Jangbi's game sense and timing are insane tonight. great play and his decision making? XD | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7763 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi attacking Midas's 3rd again, freezes 2 tanks | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
RAPING SHIT!!!! C'MON MIDAS!!!! Jangbi going to be reduced to 12 only!!! MIDAS I HAVE FAITH! | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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ZavikZyke
United States382 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Midas destroys Jangbi's base at 11 and moves towards 12 | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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Xeln4g4
Italy1208 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
MIDAS!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Jangbi concedes after losing more troops to mines Midas is victorious! | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:04 GTR wrote: such an awesome decision there to push when jangbi started up his 5th base, omg. Ye, he picked the perfect moment and spot. Jangbi didnt have anything in position to defend his natural and then had to run his army through mine-central and GG. Midas moves on | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1208 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:05 okum wrote: Counterattacking instead of blocking the push was utterly retarded. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32273 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
Where the fuck were his obs that were supposed to be with his army...BAD BAD BAD BY JANGBI | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32273 Posts
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
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GTR
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
That mine finished the rest of his army off well gratz for Midas | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
His smile is so big and adorable... Baby Bear <3! | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
His decision making in game 3 was soo good, I'm so glad he's moving on. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7763 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:05 purpose wrote: This is why terran is gay! Mines and op tanks, what els do you need! Ban? Anyways, Midas!!!!! Sick. Midas v Jaedong in Ro8 plz | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:07 FirstBorn wrote: MIDAS FUCK YEAH! His decision making in game 3 was soo good, I'm so glad he's moving on. Actually, it was just Jangbi, fucking up majorly. | ||
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:08 FireGuyX wrote: Jangbi made the same mistake that Movie made. Yeah. I wonder if he didn't watch that game. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
even better if he lost half his troops to them | ||
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503 Posts
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Soulforged
Latvia917 Posts
Nothing he could've done, really. Jangbi's 4th was very late, Midas had a bunch of factories going...good recall in main could've given Jangbi a chance, but he couldn't reinforce the lost units quick enough. If he tried to fight early enough to prevent the push from positioning well next to his natural, he'd get utterly raped - he needed one or 2 more gateway rounds to have a chance. Later, when he had some units(still not enough, imo), Midas already set up...after that you can either try to counter, or gg. If he attacked that set-up push, he'd trade his whole force for couple tanks. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32273 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:08 Megalisk wrote: Midas reminds me of Oov Well he was the next T1 terran for the longest time. | ||
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Squallcloud
France466 Posts
Can we hope for a Midas back to the top? | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32273 Posts
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Plaaguu
United States406 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
but Jangbi lol | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Terran must be like the easiest race.  | ||
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bentnormal
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sleeepy
Canada777 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:10 IntoTheWow wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo4DCMwjmVA this is so uncomfortable to watch lol | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:10 Zona wrote: Pay attention to the replay - Midas laid SO many mines there to make it hard to attack his push from behind - at the very least slow down the attack by a ton and give him advance warning but Jangbi lol It would have been better then attacking Midas third expansion. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
This MSL is going to be horrible. Oh well JD has a chance to redeem his ZvT I suppose, since Midas/MVP are the bottom 2 in the kespa rankings still remaining, and he still has to face Flash in the finals. | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia917 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:11 sleeepy wrote: If ggameo is the minesweeper zerg, does that make Jangbi the minesweeper toss? He wouldn't do anything with his unit count and 1 statis even if there were 0 mines. He lost to them like 3rd of his army. The rest 2/3rds got raped at midas 3rd by more mines, 2tanks and like 7 vults -_-. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:10 IntoTheWow wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo4DCMwjmVA Every time I watch that, I feel pain in my whole body. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Yeah, I remember loling at that live. His teammates even push him aside to line up for the team bow. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Midas just abuses map first, then gets stomped on every front until he has critical mass of tanks and a-moves straight through the map. | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
 Flash vs MVP and  Jaedong vs Midas confirmed so far (unless they changed their rules to how the Ro8 is decided). | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:14 Salteador Neo wrote: Lol that third game of Midas vs Jangbi was such bullshit xD Midas just abuses map first, then gets stomped on every front until he has critical mass of tanks and a-moves straight through the map. Eh? I'd hazard to guess that mines did even more damage to Jangbi than tanks did. Even a few of Jangbi's failed attacks on Midas's 3rd were mostly due to mines rather than tanks. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
He shifts his glasses and rolls up his right sleeve. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9014 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
9th in Kespa rank! Please please please please don't fail in a horrifically embarrassing manner today! | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:20 okum wrote: Calm vs fantasy is my second favorite matchup right after Jaehoon vs FBH. Oh you! | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:20 EpiK wrote: I'm expecting to see some super sexy cheese from either player today Hrm, Fantasy hasn't been doing enough cheese lately. Odd-eye 2! Calm the white zerg at 5. Fantasy the teal terran at 11. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:20 okum wrote: Calm vs fantasy is my second favorite matchup right after Jaehoon vs FBH. The poor man's Flash vs JD! | ||
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Zona
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Zona
40426 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
12hatch for Calm | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Calm going 3hatch. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Forward rax vs 3hat beforew poool | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
2 rines move forwards, going to snipe the OL! or try | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Calm going three hatch before pool against FANTASY??? | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
lolololol | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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Barfboy
Canada193 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
the rine finds ANOTHER OL but he leaves it behind bunker bunker? where is the bunker? there it is lots of drones pulled a 2nd bunker behind the mineral line! | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Lots of zerglings about to hatch for Calm, though. Bunker finishes with 2 SCVs! | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
6 lings head to Fantasy's main but there's a factory/rax wall | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Wait, sunken colony might finish and save it. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
We are going into game 3 | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
4 lings attack the rax wall! Calm loses his nat hatch! Fantasy not letting his vulture get trapped by lings this time he cleans up the lings at his wall starport! | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:26 Megalisk wrote: Why didn't he put a fucking sunken earlier? It's Fantasy vs Calm. It's bizarro-ZvT | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
One vulture kills all 10 zerglings, lol. Calm going for a hydra den. Starport out for Fantasy. Now Fantasy starts his CC | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Fantasy didn't use his 2 scvs as a wall... hrm no control tower? wraith out and killing OL's! Fantasy building a CC in his main | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
oh the risks of 3 hatching without spawning pool | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
one vulture surrounded drones dying | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:26 meegrean wrote: fantasy can't play straight-up bio tvz so he had to resort to this faggotry. To be fair. As much as I hate 8rax, if you 3hat before pool w/ no drone scout on a 2player map you deserve to lose vs this gay terran shit | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
lair starts for Calm | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Hydralisks clean it up, but he lost like 4-5 drones there and an overlord. Lair now starting for Calm. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
machine shop as well | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:28 SkelA wrote: terran abuse greedy zerg punishment | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:27 SuperArc wrote: I can't believe Calm is called brain zerg--> ROFL. i can't believe that zergs are still failing against this gimmick shit that Fantasy tries to pull every game ... | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:28 Megalisk wrote: Why do these guys play each other so much....we just get a bunch of bad games..hopefully set 3 is decent.. Nothing wrong with Fantasy's play so far. Should have micro'd vultures a bit better in the main, but he did exactly what he needed to do vs Calms opening | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
2 wraiths hook up and head into Calm's main again Calm still hasn't retaken his nat Academy finishes and stim starts researching! | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:27 SuperArc wrote: I can't believe Calm is called brain zerg--> ROFL. It makes sense if "brain" means "hay guys I always build my spawning pool late". | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Fantasy on 2base with a lot of SCVs, Calm stuck on 1base. Not looking good for Calm--not good at all. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Stim is done, but no range yet 4th rax for fantasy well with such an opening advantage Fantasy shouldn't fail with mnm will he? Calm retaking his nat Fantasy moving out with 2 tanks and a little mnm | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Calm concedes...yay WTF made Calm decide that 3 hatch before pool was a good idea. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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wongi
Australia86 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:31 Zona wrote: the sunken at his nat dies Calm concedes...yay WTF made Calm decide that 3 hatch before pool was a good idea. Trying to take advantage of Terrans that go 1 Rax FE | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:31 Zona wrote: the sunken at his nat dies Calm concedes...yay WTF made Calm decide that 3 hatch before pool was a good idea. its valid strategy, unless you lose 13164161561613 overlords... | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:31 Zona wrote: the sunken at his nat dies Calm concedes...yay WTF made Calm decide that 3 hatch before pool was a good idea. JD did it against Flash. Clam just forgot that it doesn't work when you've grown a reputation of being a player who 12 hatches 4 games out of 5. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Calm @ 5fantasy @ 1 | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Calm the poop zerg at 5. | ||
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sh02hp0869
Sweden460 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:31 Zona wrote: the sunken at his nat dies Calm concedes...yay WTF made Calm decide that 3 hatch before pool was a good idea. He had so much time to build sunkens , but he chose to make a lot of lings that were useless ... | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
His OL is scouting the wrong way OL egg! | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
starts his rax left of his command center and his gas as well fast factory again? 12 hatch for calm, he dronescouts this time. | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
Calm drone scouting to make sure no bs happens lol. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Calm going for 12hatch, surprise surprise. Hopefully this time he'll make a spawning pool before the 3rd hatch. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
pool for Calm. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
I guess if you do it sufficiently often, opponents won't be able to guess it because it doesn't make any sense. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Calm adding a 3rd hatch at normal timing. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:34 johanes wrote: remember the times all TvZ were 2hatch muta? i actually miss them Yeah...tell me about it Factory starts, 2 scvs taken off gas 3rd hatch for calm in main Fantasy scouts Calm's main | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:34 Megalisk wrote: More gimmicky mech crap incoming? Calm drone scouting to make sure no bs happens lol. how is mech gimmicky? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
he expands Calm's gas finishes vulture first for Fantasy? | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Or if you are Jaedong in a bo5... | ||
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Barfboy
Canada193 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:34 Holgerius wrote: As usual Clam vs Fantasy provides entertainment in its own special way. Yeah this rivalry is one of the most lol inducing ones that i've ever seen | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:35 okum wrote: 12 hatch again. I guess if you do it sufficiently often, opponents won't be able to guess it because it doesn't make any sense. ........ 12 hatch is a pretty safe opening vs Terran. 3 hatch before pool isn't. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
den for calm | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
yes, we don't have to watch Fantasy's fail bio | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:36 APurpleCow wrote: ........ 12 hatch is a pretty safe opening vs Terran. 3 hatch before pool isn't. lol no. 12hatch is very very hard to defend against 8rax if the terran knows what he's doing. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
3 hatch hydra? calm still not getting lair | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:36 Megalisk wrote: I hope Calm isn't one of those zergs who forgot how to fight mech. Though it's always fun to watch ultralisk minesweeping (Looking at you, Kwanro) | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:36 Megalisk wrote: I hope Calm isn't one of those zergs who forgot how to fight mech. I guess every Korean Zerg watched Flash / hyvaa about 400 times. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Calm moving out with lots of hydra Fantasy has mines...but can he defend? OLs are slow though | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
bunker goes down, all rines die | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
it still isn't enough! The bunker falls! | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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Barfboy
Canada193 Posts
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:37 SuperArc wrote: lol no. 12hatch is very very hard to defend against 8rax if the terran knows what he's doing. 12 hatch is used in almost every game. What the hell are you talking about? | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Tank going to clean it up though. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
more svcs pulled calm starts his lair fantasy lost SO many scvs Calm backs off | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
Too bad it was Fantasy's turn this game.. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:39 SuperArc wrote: Really, Calm and fantasy are the cheesiest players ever. How can you not love them? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Fantasy way behind | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:39 Megalisk wrote: Every Calm vs Fantasy game in recent weeks has been a failfest... Too bad it was Fantasy's turn this game.. They pretty much take turns. It's why it was fairly obvious that Calm would win the third game | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
he takes his 3rd gas before the hatchery there finishes | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:39 APurpleCow wrote: 12 hatch is used in almost every game. What the hell are you talking about? Yeah and every game terran counters with rax expand and guess who's winning more games lately? 8rax/rax expand > 12 hatch. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
oh no... | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
sigh why can't fantasy learn? Fantasy building his 4th rax no turrets in sight so far Mutas pop! | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:40 Zona wrote: FAntasy adding raxes? oh no... inb4 switch to bio into switch to mech into bio mech into pure bio into mass tank | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:40 SuperArc wrote: Yeah and every game terran counters with rax expand and guess who's winning more games lately? 8rax/rax expand > 12 hatch. I think you should play more BW. Because trust me, 12hat is the best thing you can actually do. And that is terrible statistics. Did you ever think that the mu might be slightly imba in favour of Terran, or just that Zergs are sucking in comparison to terrans recently? | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Mutas eat a salvo from 5 goliaths they're picking off tanks at Fantasy's natural! | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:40 SuperArc wrote: Yeah and every game terran counters with rax expand and guess who's winning more games lately? 8rax/rax expand > 12 hatch. ... lol? If rax/expand, a very safe opening by any standards that doesn't really have any problem holding 9 pool, beats the most economical Zerg opening, then I shudder to think how badly 9 pool/overpool/12 pool would do against it. Are you like D-? | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
More muta harass at Fantasy's nat - 3 scvs and a turret kill | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
the mutas definitely see the rines 10 lurkers morphing for Calm | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Calm on 4 bases. Fantasy still on 2. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Mutas head into Fantasy's main, by the rax - Fantasy's army is elsewhere | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:41 Megalisk wrote: inb4 switch to bio into switch to mech into bio mech into pure bio into mass tank my thoughts exactly | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:41 samachking wrote: I think you should play more BW. Because trust me, 12hat is the best thing you can actually do. And that is terrible statistics. Did you ever think that the mu might be slightly imba in favour of Terran, or just that Zergs are sucking in comparison to terrans recently? I like the three hatch before pool opening way more than 12hatch. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
+1 ranged upgrade done for Calm, too. And he's getting his hive. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:44 QuothTheRaven wrote: Fantasy's mutas fly right over the rax, so he knows the back-tech is coming now. It's a fake backtech into mech obviously | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
Fantasy with his mixed army mulls outside his nat he moves forwards...without vessels he adds his 5th and 6th raxes | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
3 rines run back... | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Goliaths come back so many scvs died Calm massing tons of lings | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
all sandwiched it's over | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Calm going in to try to break Fantasy's tanks--he has plenty to do it! All of Fantasy's forces fall to Calm's huge wave of zerglings and lurkers. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
sigh...it's hard being a fan | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
It's not even close. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:46 Zona wrote: lol Fantasy sigh...it's hard being a fan I feel your pain. Probably not much he could do after the hydra bust though. Although how that shit worked is still beyond me | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
Did he build any valks earlier? | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:44 SuperArc wrote: I like the three hatch before pool opening way more than 12hatch. lol.... Ofc you do, its the best econ build zerg can do, except its a gimmick build and is a intstant loss to any competent terran who goes rax first. It's not safe at all, that's why it's used sparingly. 12hat/11pool for 3hat or 12hat/12gas for 2hat are the best and safest builds out there. If Zerg players mass 3hat before pool they are simply going to get crushed by terrans 8raxing and bbsing much more, and if you 9pool/3hat before pool every game, you'll simply get bbs'd in their main and lose, its not a viable build for a metagame and it's a gimmick. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Wow Fantasy saves his vessel for once one lurker killed by siege tanks with detection support like 35 remain | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
consume finishes time for the rape swarms go down ads lurker ling moves forwards | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
all his infantry killed, a vessel sniped he's so behind | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
Horrible His vessels fly back home alone | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
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On April 24 2010 18:48 samachking wrote: lol.... Ofc you do, its the best econ build zerg can do, except its a gimmick build and is a intstant loss to any competent terran who goes rax first. It's not safe at all, that's why it's used sparingly. 12hat/11pool for 3hat or 12hat/12gas for 2hat are the best and safest builds out there. If Zerg players mass 3hat before pool they are simply going to get crushed by terrans 8raxing and bbsing much more, and if you 9pool/3hat before pool every game, you'll simply get bbs'd in their main and lose, its not a viable build for a metagame and it's a gimmick. I am not saying three hatch before pool should become a standard. But I wish zergs would start using it as often as terrans go 14cc nowadays. All zergs do nowadays are 12hatches, it makes me sick. No variation at all, except the usual way superior zerg goes for early pool to prevent cheese from mediocre terran.. | ||
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Zona
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If I wasn't a Fantasy fan I'd never watch his games Fantasy concedes. Weaksauce. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Fantasy GGs. | ||
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United States4109 Posts
Swarm and Lurkers in his natural | ||
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:51 Megalisk wrote: GG right as the lurks burrow under the swarm at the nat..didn't get to see mass marine death Heh, yeah there were lurkers under every inch of that swarm. I was waiting for the spines shooting out in every direction. But fantasy has his pride. | ||
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Bahrain4949 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:51 SuperArc wrote: I am not saying three hatch before pool should become a standard. But I wish zergs would start using it as often as terrans go 14cc nowadays. All zergs do nowadays are 12hatches, it makes me sick. No variation at all, except the usual way superior zerg goes for early pool to prevent cheese from mediocre terran.. ... 3hat before is still a 12hat build, and they dont do variation because it's so easy to die with pool first and 3hat before pool. And Terrans do not go for 14cc much anyways. There is not much variation in the builds zerg can do off a opening, and there is a reason for that, most of it is hard counterable, 12hat with a pool follow up is the safest variation out there. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:53 Zona wrote: Oov talking to Fantasy in the waiting room I wonder what he has to say about that sorry performance? "At least we can blame it on the zerg imbalance this season." | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:53 Zona wrote: Oov talking to Fantasy in the waiting room I wonder what he has to say about that sorry performance? oov: you suck. | ||
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United States4109 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:52 FireGuyX wrote: damn I'm 0-3. same here but if only Great wins, then I will at least get one right | ||
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Now he smiles a little as he speaks. | ||
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AlTheCake
Canada1071 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:51 Megalisk wrote: GG right as the lurks burrow under the swarm at the nat..didn't get to see mass marine death I was looking forward to this too ;__; | ||
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Plaaguu
United States406 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:53 Zona wrote: Oov talking to Fantasy in the waiting room I wonder what he has to say about that sorry performance? oov: One more lose and you're going to the b-team. Probably not, but that would be funny. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4719 Posts
God, stop with this bullshit-builds and stick with something real for a few months man. Like building units, lots of them, as Calm just did. Units are great, they kill stuff. And you don't instantly lose when your first spidermine gets detected. | ||
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United States5524 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:55 Lann555 wrote: Lol, what is up with all the Fantasy hate here. Seems like all the 'fans' jumped ship when things go south. I think the Fantasy fans are just really frustrated with his terrible TvZ play, when so many other Terrans out there just seem to dominate zerg so much. | ||
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United States406 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:55 Lann555 wrote: Lol, what is up with all the Fantasy hate here. Seems like all the 'fans' jumped ship when things go south. I used to really like Fantasy, because his builds were unique... and kind of worked. Then he just failed hard... | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:56 Holgerius wrote: Once upon a time there were people who seriously tried to argue that Fantasy was better than Flash. Well, he was the most succesfull Terran in 3 OSL's in a row when Flash was kinda failing at critical moments. I don't think he was the better player at any point, but he did make his shit work for quite a while. Current map selection doesn't seem favorable for mech, which is definitly hurting Fantasy | ||
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Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:56 Holgerius wrote: Once upon a time there were people who seriously tried to argue that Fantasy was better than Flash. Because he was? | ||
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Sweden373 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:56 Holgerius wrote: Once upon a time there were people who seriously tried to argue that Fantasy was better than Flash. Maybe that's becuase he actually was better than Flash at one point? | ||
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Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 18:57 edhead999 wrote: I used to really like Fantasy, because his builds were unique... and kind of worked. Then he just failed hard... Ye, the great thing was that he was using builds that weren't supposed to work and somehow won games with them. It seems reality has finally caught up with Fantasy, but he is still trying to find some new weirdness that actually works. Just hope he succeeds one of these days | ||
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Zona
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Oh well - I already prepared myself for the high probability that Fantasy would lose, so I'm not too disappointed. But game 2 got my hopes up... | ||
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Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:03 Ducci wrote: I am hoping so bad movie loses. I can't stand him lol, Movie gets so much hate here as well. Not exactly sure why as he is probably in contention for best Protoss with Kal. Guess he isn't flashy (or handsome) enough for some | ||
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great the green zerg at 5. Movie the toss at 11. | ||
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samachking
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Fantasy was the best terran performance wise whether he was a gimmick or not, and was the most successful. He led the metagame of TvZ along with upmagic and changed an entire mu for a year when the other terrans were still getting raped by 2hat muta. | ||
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Kreedit
Sweden373 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:03 Holgerius wrote: Fantasy was never better than Flash. Yes he was. Edit: On April 24 2010 19:04 samachking wrote: Fantasy's TvP was inarguably the best in the world at that point, noone is denying that. His TvT was 2nd in the world behind Flash. His TvZ worked and he won all his series/sets vs Zerg that mattered except vs JD, whereas Flash was struggling with his ZvT and dropping bo3s to all 3 races at that point. Fantasy was the best terran performance wise whether he was a gimmick or not, and was the most successful. He led the metagame of TvZ along with upmagic and changed an entire mu for a year when the other terrans were still getting raped by 2hat muta. This. | ||
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On April 24 2010 19:01 Kreedit wrote: Maybe that's becuase he actually was better than Flash at one point? No, the best part of it is that he never was better than flash at any point. | ||
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OL first for great. | ||
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Nexus first for Movie without scouting | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:04 samachking wrote: Fantasy's TvP was inarguably the best in the world at that point, noone is denying that. His TvT was 2nd in the world behind Flash. His TvZ worked and he won all his series/sets vs Zerg that mattered except vs JD, whereas Flash was struggling with his ZvT and dropping bo3s to all 3 races at that point. Fantasy was the best terran performance wise whether he was a gimmick or not, and was the most successful. He led the metagame of TvZ along with upmagic and changed an entire mu for a year when the other terrans were still getting raped by 2hat muta. How dare you say that? Flash is the god of Starcraft who invented everything that can possibly happen in the game. Fantasy is just some shrub n00b | ||
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First 2 lings out, then another 2 Nex first pays off for movie Gateway and one cannon at his nat choke | ||
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QuothTheRaven
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Well, by the looks of it Movie will easily have cannons up in time vs. overpool going nexus forge gateway cannon, so I guess it's not that risky after all. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4719 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:03 Holgerius wrote: Fantasy was never better than Flash. But Flash didn't live up to his expectations for so long. What do you expect people to do? Just say "yeah, this guy never makes the Ro4 of any league and manages to lose in some retarded way all the time, but of course he is the best"? Flashs potential was never in question and his PL record was always great, but he failed hard in individual leagues and KT did not go anywhere last season. In the end, results are kinda more important than some unfullfilled potential. | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:06 Lann555 wrote: How dare you say that? Flash is the god of Starcraft who invented everything that can possibly happen in the game. Fantasy is just some shrub n00b I guess you are trying to be sarcastic, but it isnt working, because its true! | ||
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United States5524 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:08 johanes wrote: I guess you are trying to be sarcastic, but it isnt working, because its true! All hail Flash! | ||
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Zona
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spire for great. | ||
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Sweden373 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:08 johanes wrote: I guess you are trying to be sarcastic, but it isnt working, because its true! 10/10 You actually got me there for a moment. Oh well GREAT FIGHTING!!!! Would be nice to see atleast one khanite advance. | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Corsair might get 1 overlord at most. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
where's the archives? 4th hatchery for great at his nat choke 2 zealots 1 goon chase some lings back first sair shooting at an OL in great's main | ||
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core spinning, as well as forge finally archives started | ||
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5 zealots and a goon moves into great's nat - drones pulled! | ||
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chased away by moving shot sairs! | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Only loses 1 drone, though. Mutalisks harassing with scourge, but now the corsairs are chasing them and tearing them up! | ||
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but mutas finish it off as the speedy zealots run away, | ||
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zealots attack great's nat again - lots of drone kills the archons join them | ||
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Austria7781 Posts
great horribe today | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Going in with a zealot attack on the nat, Great having to fight with drones, losing a ton of them! Nat is going to fall here. | ||
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Afghanistan459 Posts
Great why did you just do what you did last week? Or did you forget what you did last week? | ||
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2 lurkers with lings arrive from the top 2 dts moving out as sairs raping the OL's at 3.5 | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Zergs have nothing for defence somehow. Movie wins. | ||
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2 dts amok in the 3rd lol great concedes | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Looks like we're going on to set 3. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
And this time he even had sairs to counter great's predictable three hatch muta he goes every 2nd ZvP. | ||
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Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:15 Xeln4g4 wrote: great play by Movie ... too bad Matchpoint is so Z favoured in ZvP ... Movie will just build some zealots, 2 archons and run him over again | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
 Movie @ 7great @ 1 | ||
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Movie the teal toss at 7. Match point! | ||
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gdcrimson
New Zealand148 Posts
. Great didn't offer too much resistance there but Movie finished him off cleanly and effectively and had some really nice timing. Hope he can get through. | ||
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OL first for great | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:16 Kwanroller wrote: Seriously Great, just build tons of sunkens and spores. You know Movie is going to do some timing attack so don't act like you don't expect it. Movie scouted everything with sairs before moving out. | ||
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Sweden16951 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:14 SuperArc wrote: I hope Holgerius just saw Movie's awesome timing sense. I actually missed the last game, so I'm just gonna assume that he did some stupid bullshit and got lucky with a blind counter. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:17 Holgerius wrote: I actually missed the last game, so I'm just gonna assume that he did some stupid bullshit and got lucky with a blind counter. lol | ||
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Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:16 Kwanroller wrote: Seriously Great, just build tons of sunkens and spores. You know Movie is going to do some timing attack so don't act like you don't expect it. Ye, Movie does that in most games and Great raped it hard last time. Maybe he figured Movie would try something different in the 2nd game and outleveled himself | ||
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Zona
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probe tangles with a drone great takes his nat pool finishes and one egg appears | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:17 Holgerius wrote: I actually missed the last game, so I'm just gonna assume that he did some stupid bullshit and got lucky with a blind counter. No, he really didn't. The game was pretty much like terrans running over zergs when zergs build only two sunkens. | ||
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Zona
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Great expands to 5 as well | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Movie adding a cannon and gateway. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
wait - great took 5 before his natural - NOW he takes his natural | ||
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2 lings still chasing the scouting probe around core for MOvie. | ||
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Movie starts a stargate right under the OL"s nose | ||
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one zealot in great's nat | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Ah, but then movie BARELY gets a drone in the main before his zealot dies. | ||
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Zona
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his core spins | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Great doing the ever so standard 3hat spire into 5hat hydra. | ||
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A den starts for great, not part of a wall | ||
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one OL killed by his nat evo chamber for great as well | ||
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but with no defense movie able to get a goon into the base at 5 it attacks the OL and is surrounded by drones | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
shuttle goes down. I notice that movie is the greediest P player when it comes to building canons in the main, he builds almost none at all, and doesnt get punished for it nearly enough. | ||
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I love sair-heavy play 5 zealots moving out forge spinning as well Movie adding 3 more gates, to 4 | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:23 samachking wrote: LOL shuttle goes down. I notice that movie is the greediest P player when it comes to building canons in the main, he builds almost none at all, and doesnt get punished for it nearly enough. he did, last time | ||
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United States1761 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
Fantasy would lose games in ways that Flash would never in a million years lose - when a game didn't go according to his plan he would fall apart in inexplicable ways. On the other hand Flash also lost a lot of bad games due to questionable builds but his fundamental game understanding was always far superior. The Stork-Fantasy OSL finals is a great example of this. Fantasy won game 4 in a way that almost no one else would win but lost game 5 in a way that Flash never would have. The difference is that Fantasy's game 4 performance is not repeatable in the long run, but a player with superior game sense/understanding (like Flash) would be able to repeat their (hypothetical) win in game 5. I know it's kind of ridiculous to point to a hypothetical win as evidence but it's more to illustrate the point within the context of one series (in which only one player is playing, obviously). Look at any Flash TvP win on the original Medusa (this was during the time period when Fantasy was a superior performer in leagues) or any game when he brilliantly blocks Protoss cheese from start to finish as a more concrete example of the "goodness" of a player that's also repeatable. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
reaver loaded into a shuttle and sairs move out! 5 slow zealots move to the 5 base! there's no sunken - just some hydra | ||
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hydra reinforcements killing off the zealots the drones return | ||
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first templar out for Movie shuttle speed done one sair lost to hydra | ||
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he doesn't have many sairs now - just 3 | ||
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QuothTheRaven
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Movie's sair reaver heading toward Great's main. Shuttle BARELY dodges some scourge, which slam into a sair instead. Shuttle unloads--no, it had DTs in it! | ||
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things aren't going Movie's way lots of hydra moving forwards with speedy OLs | ||
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hydra muta with OLs moving towards Movie's nat | ||
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Bahrain4949 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:24 darktreb wrote: The Stork-Fantasy OSL finals is a great example of this. Fantasy won game 4 in a way that almost no one else would win but lost game 5 in a way that Flash never would have. The difference is that Fantasy's game 4 performance is not repeatable in the long run, but a player with superior game sense/understanding (like Flash) would be able to repeat their (hypothetical) win in game 5. I know it's kind of ridiculous to point to a hypothetical win as evidence but it's more to illustrate the point within the context of one series (in which only one player is playing, obviously). Look at any Flash TvP win on the original Medusa (this was during the time period when Fantasy was a superior performer in leagues) or any game when he brilliantly blocks Protoss cheese from start to finish as a more concrete example of the "goodness" of a player that's also repeatable. Except Flash wouldnt even reach game 5 because he sucked vs the dragons at the time. He had a 25% winrate against the dragons during that year. His play was nowhere near as godlike as it was now, and Bisu/Stork were better than him back then, whileas Fantasy would go toe to toe with JD/Stork/Bisu during that year even when he played gimmicky. People forgot that Fantasy was also uncheesable during that year? That's also one of the reasons he went so far before people figured him out. | ||
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Sweden16951 Posts
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Afghanistan459 Posts
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Macedonia13032 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
zealot goon vs hydra - the mutas dodge the storms and pick off templar but a huge storm lands on the hydra and kill tons | ||
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Pufftrees
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On April 24 2010 16:57 FireGuyX wrote: Baby 2-1 Jangbi 2-1 Fantasy 2-1 Movie 2-1. This is going to be a long night (especially the first match) which is a good thing. kim carrier! Wow hero DT for Movie. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
but there's so many hydra movie's nat wall broken the hydra move into the nat! more hydra reinforcements are coming | ||
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Latvia2350 Posts
Movie | ||
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Thailand7699 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
(-_-) | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Only 1 toss in the ro8. Protoss really sucks as a race right now. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
but when they die more come great expanding to 3 15 kill dt in great's main! | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
Wow DT with NINETEEN drone kills! Killed every drone in the nat and a good number in the main! Movie might be back in this game now--but he lost his nat | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
still he's so behind 2 lurkers morphing along with a group of hydra outside great's 3rd | ||
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Bahrain4949 Posts
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Zona
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speedlots move towards 3 and attack - lurkers burrow and they back off mutas attacking the warping nexus at the nat MOvie concedes. | ||
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Lucumo
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On April 24 2010 19:29 meegrean wrote: too painful to watch >_< | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
GG Great :/ 1/4 Liquibet, cool.... BUT, Midas winning made my day :> :> | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
"gg"..5:30 Am...I enjoyed the OSL tibreakers more than this. | ||
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Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:28 Holgerius wrote: Did you see that SuperArc? XD Losing shuttle? Hurt, yeah. Happens when your APM is too low I guess. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:30 Xeln4g4 wrote: how can be balanced a mu where if u lose a shuttle with 2 reaver u automatically lose? P are so damn weak ... don't have your gameplan relying around a fragile shuttle then of course | ||
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Netherlands5173 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Ro8 Line upFlash MVP Jaedong great free HiyA Calm MidasOn the other hand Great looks like Xellos | ||
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40426 Posts
I watched so many pro-games this week! | ||
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gdcrimson
New Zealand148 Posts
Well that's reassuring isn't it.... Edit: I'm not hating on Free or anything, he's probably one of the best tosses out there. It's just when you look at Flash for Terran and Jaedong for Zerg, Protoss lacks so hard. | ||
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wongi
Australia86 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:32 Megalisk wrote: Wow.. "gg"..5:30 Am...I enjoyed the OSL tibreakers more than this. are u kidding me? the tiebreakers became a snorefest | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Pretty crappy ro8 match line up. Free vs Hiya should be good though. | ||
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France7858 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:32 infinity2k9 wrote: don't have your gameplan relying around a fragile shuttle then of course well its either 4gate goon (cheese), sair/dt (mutas snipe hts ez) or sair/reaver Toss don't have much to choose in PvZ. Zergs have the same problem with ZvT | ||
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United States1712 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:34 SuperArc wrote: well its either 4gate goon (cheese), sair/dt (mutas snipe hts ez) or sair/reaver Toss don't have much to choose in PvZ. Zergs have the same problem with ZvT Wrong.... There are a billion builds you can do in PvZ, it's the most versatile mu out there | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:34 SuperArc wrote: well its either 4gate goon (cheese), sair/dt (mutas snipe hts ez) or sair/reaver Toss don't have much to choose in PvZ. Zergs have the same problem with ZvT If your gameplan relies heavily on a shuttle, at least try to micro it well. Movie just lost it needlessly | ||
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Cpt.beefy
Ireland799 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:34 SuperArc wrote: well its either 4gate goon (cheese), sair/dt (mutas snipe hts ez) or sair/reaver Toss don't have much to choose in PvZ. Zergs have the same problem with ZvT Oh god don't start this again. The shuttle was a weak link and he didn't micro it. PERIOD. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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Zona
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below66
United States1761 Posts
had he micro'd the shuttles better; we would be seeing a hell of a game. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:36 Cpt.beefy wrote: Oh god don't start this again. The shuttle was a weak link and he didn't micro it. PERIOD. Of course it was a huge fail from Movie. I didn' say otherwise. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:34 SuperArc wrote: well its either 4gate goon (cheese), sair/dt (mutas snipe hts ez) or sair/reaver Toss don't have much to choose in PvZ. Zergs have the same problem with ZvT Jangbi and Shuttle both doing well in PvZ recently without relying on these builds. Looking foward to Hiya vs Free, lucky that Hiya got his best matchup again | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:34 samachking wrote: Pretty crappy ro8 match line up. Free vs Hiya should be good though. Midas vs Jaedong should be good, we'll see if Midas has truly rediscovered his form. Otherwise we're pretty much guaranteed a zerg in the finals. The other side of the bracket isn't too good either, though a Flash vs free semi would be kinda nice i guess. So I guess I'd settle for a Flash vs JD finals to make up for the rest :-p | ||
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cunninglinguists
United States925 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:41 infinity2k9 wrote: Jangbi and Shuttle both doing well in PvZ recently without relying on these builds. Looking foward to Hiya vs Free, lucky that Hiya got his best matchup again Well Free got his (current) best matchup too, so I suppose it's pretty even there. Though last time the two met in WGC quals, Free walked away with a 2-0 sweep including a weird ass game where Hiya decided to skip Siege and promptly lost all his tanks as a result. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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Katkishka
United States648 Posts
It would be fantastic if he got to the finals | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:45 FireGuyX wrote: I don't know what Movie's strategy was, but he was very predictable. Great's 5 o'clock expansion was wide open, he should have easily taken that down. And plus Movie had enough units to defend his natural. Once Great got his expansions running, it was all over for Movie. Stop doing your retarded analysis of games please. Thank you. Play more on icc. | ||
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FearDarkness
United States519 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:45 FireGuyX wrote: I don't know what Movie's strategy was, but he was very predictable. Great's 5 o'clock expansion was wide open, he should have easily taken that down. And plus Movie had enough units to defend his natural. Once Great got his expansions running, it was all over for Movie. I wouldnt necessarily say that, great was only on 3 bases, he didnt take his mineral only. He was well saturated, but movie could have matched it easily on 2 bases (especially with that DT starting his rampage when great attacked). He was moving out to take a third, and he had a shuttle full of reavers, a goon heavy, yet diverse army, and several high templars with plenty of storms (as seen while defending the hydras). If he hadnt lost that shuttle, he would have given great a run for his money. If only... That's why foreigners cant play sair-reaver either, one slip, and its over. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:47 samachking wrote: Stop doing your retarded analysis of games please. Thank you. Play more on icc. The only retard here is you since you are trying to bait me into a flame war, not to mention your post is ridiculously trollish. It's true though that Great had an econ advantage when he expanded at the 5 o'clock earlier, right? Earlier Movie sent like 6 zealots, a bunch of sairs, and a shuttle I think with reavers in it, but he backed off, why? That 5 o'clock expansion should have been easily taken down. | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:51 purpose wrote: No Protoss left in MSL....what do you know.....epic fail tbh. erm... free is still in? | ||
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SplashbackFerret
New Zealand846 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:34 Biff The Understudy wrote: Fantasy out of both league... Sad day for terrans. The MSL really needs 5 terrans in Ro8 yes? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
MVP Flash is a joke in the other hand. | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On April 24 2010 20:00 Biff The Understudy wrote: I'm really curious about what Midas can do versus Jaedong. Six month ago it would have been a gross lolrape but with Midas reaching top level again and Jaedong underperforming, everything can happen I think. MVP Flash is a joke in the other hand. mvp is a serious hustlah, im looking forward to that match | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
but i'm happy midas is through | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On April 24 2010 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote: mvp is a serious hustlah, im looking forward to that match My sentiments exactly. | ||
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nozaro33
Taiwan1819 Posts
Movie *sigh*But then if Baby advanced he would have to face Flash (again!) | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On April 24 2010 20:53 nozaro33 wrote: Baby Movie *sigh*But then if Baby advanced he would have to face Flash (again!) Actually, he would have faced Calm (and Flash would have met Midas, and Jaedong would end up against Great). | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
On April 24 2010 20:02 JohnColtrane wrote: mvp is a serious hustlah, im looking forward to that match We will see... I still can't believe he is so solid. He looked way better than BaBy today, but I can't imagine Flash getting behinnd in vulture early game or lose at this kind of style. Wait and see as they say in England. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Fantasy. You are BAD at TvZ. How is that even possible! (Btw. I'm SO EXCITED for Hiya vs Free. I think that should be a great MU) | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On April 24 2010 19:03 Holgerius wrote: Fantasy was never better than Flash. I look at it this way. When Fantasy was winning games in the OSL and proleague a few months ago, he was really, really, really, good. People thought he was better than Flash at that point since Flash was failing bad. However, its the complete opposite now. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 25 2010 00:11 Housemd wrote: I look at it this way. When Fantasy was winning games in the OSL and proleague a few months ago, he was really, really, really, good. People thought he was better than Flash at that point since Flash was failing bad. However, its the complete opposite now. Fantasy was never better than Flash. Just to reiterate. Flash was never failing bad, he was merely mortal. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On April 25 2010 00:57 Black Gun wrote: The opposite for me ...at least it would have been if MVP hadn't advanced.wow, in all 4 matches my favorites didnt make it. I suppose it does work out though, since I hoped Flash > Baby in Ro8. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4835 Posts
On April 25 2010 00:47 Jayme wrote: Fantasy was never better than Flash. Just to reiterate. Flash was never failing bad, he was merely mortal. Flash came nowhere near winning a starleague, and got his ass kicked by every good player of PvT or ZvT, reliably, for six months... and he only became the clearly dominant TvT'er near the end of that period. His claim to fame was reliably defeating any mediocre player. (Backho not counting as mediocre.) Fantasy was somewhat unreliable in TvZ but was a serious threat to any player, had the best TvP and ~tied for best TvT, and made deep starleague runs in three consecutive seasons, coming very, very close to three consecutive OSL victories (but losing all of them, 2-3 to Stork, 2-3 to Jaedong, and then a 1-3 loss to Jaedong in the semis). Fantasy, not Flash, was the Terran of choice to study and mimic in TvZ, with his mech revolution. Yes, in 2009 before the summer break, Fantasy was better than Flash. Now Flash is demonstrably better than Fantasy in every possible regard. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On April 25 2010 03:24 Severedevil wrote: Flash came nowhere near winning a starleague, and got his ass kicked by every good player of PvT or ZvT, reliably, for six months... and he only became the clearly dominant TvT'er near the end of that period. His claim to fame was reliably defeating any mediocre player. (Backho not counting as mediocre.) Fantasy was somewhat unreliable in TvZ but was a serious threat to any player, had the best TvP and ~tied for best TvT, and made deep starleague runs in three consecutive seasons, coming very, very close to three consecutive OSL victories (but losing all of them, 2-3 to Stork, 2-3 to Jaedong, and then a 1-3 loss to Jaedong in the semis). Fantasy, not Flash, was the Terran of choice to study and mimic in TvZ, with his mech revolution. Yes, in 2009 before the summer break, Fantasy was better than Flash. Now Flash is demonstrably better than Fantasy in every possible regard. Fantasy was a gimmick and will always be a gimmick. He was never a truly solid player. That was ALWAYS my gripe with him. His mech "revolution" had a giant gaping hole in it that Zergs ended up figuring out pretty quickly. Now you barely ever see it. Fantasy has never had even adequate M&M control. The only thing Fantasy ever did better than Flash at any point was TvP. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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TheTeamLiquidTiger
United States627 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On April 25 2010 03:24 Severedevil wrote: Flash came nowhere near winning a starleague, and got his ass kicked by every good player of PvT or ZvT, reliably, for six months... and he only became the clearly dominant TvT'er near the end of that period. His claim to fame was reliably defeating any mediocre player. (Backho not counting as mediocre.) Fantasy was somewhat unreliable in TvZ but was a serious threat to any player, had the best TvP and ~tied for best TvT, and made deep starleague runs in three consecutive seasons, coming very, very close to three consecutive OSL victories (but losing all of them, 2-3 to Stork, 2-3 to Jaedong, and then a 1-3 loss to Jaedong in the semis). Fantasy, not Flash, was the Terran of choice to study and mimic in TvZ, with his mech revolution. Yes, in 2009 before the summer break, Fantasy was better than Flash. Now Flash is demonstrably better than Fantasy in every possible regard. Fantasy's TvT was never as good as Flash's, and Flash certainly did not lose to "every good player". Everyone at the time still knew Flash was much more threatening than his individual league results indicated, his TvZ was very strong and while he struggled against top Protoss players in the limited encounters he had with them during that time period he still crushed almost every other one he faced. While Fantasy was off collecting silver medals, Flash was tying for most wins in Proleague and almost carrying his team which was completely god awful for most of the season to a playoff berth. Fantasy showed much weaker results in Proleague despite the fact that unlike Flash he didn't even have to consistently worry about serving as SKT's ace player. It's easy to look back and say "Hey, Fantasy did better in individual leagues, therefore he was the better player", but he was definitely never widely considered to be so at the time and I still don't think it to be the case. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On April 25 2010 03:30 Jayme wrote: Fantasy was a gimmick and will always be a gimmick. He was never a truly solid player. That was ALWAYS my gripe with him. His mech "revolution" had a giant gaping hole in it that Zergs ended up figuring out pretty quickly. Now you barely ever see it. Fantasy has never had even adequate M&M control. The only thing Fantasy ever did better than Flash at any point was TvP. "Fantasy was always a gimmick" What????? He came to fame rather quickly and almost won 2 straight OSL WHILE putting up some pretty good results in Proleague. Flash did not have the same reliability that Fantasy displayed (talking about 6 months ago around the time of Fantasy vs Jaedong semis). Fantasy led his team to victory in the PL finals. The way Fantasy is playing NOW (not two months ago where Fantasy was losing to Killer an all) but now is the way Flash was playing 6 months ago. Fantasy is able to reach Ro16's but just can't get past them like Flash a few months ago. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
Now in terms of result, Fantasy was never nearly as dominant as Flash is today, and Flash has never as inconsistant as Fantasy has been lately... | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On April 25 2010 03:59 Rostam wrote: Fantasy's TvT was never as good as Flash's, and Flash certainly did not lose to "every good player". Everyone at the time still knew Flash was much more threatening than his individual league results indicated, his TvZ was very strong and while he struggled against top Protoss players in the limited encounters he had with them during that time period he still crushed almost every other one he faced. While Fantasy was off collecting silver medals, Flash was tying for most wins in Proleague and almost carrying his team which was completely god awful for most of the season to a playoff berth. Fantasy showed much weaker results in Proleague despite the fact that unlike Flash he didn't even have to consistently worry about serving as SKT's ace player. It's easy to look back and say "Hey, Fantasy did better in individual leagues, therefore he was the better player", but he was definitely never widely considered to be so at the time and I still don't think it to be the case. I agree with most of your post. But not one part about the Proleague. Fantasy was too displaying some of the best Proleague results and even was able to beat and rank up to players like Jaedong and Stork (he even beat both of them, Jaedong twice in PL finals, and Stork in Ro16). Flash at that time might have been considered an underdog against Jaedong and Stork while Fantasy could par with them and sometimes even win. | ||
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SoManyDeadLings
Canada255 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On April 25 2010 04:22 Housemd wrote: "Fantasy was always a gimmick" What????? He came to fame rather quickly and almost won 2 straight OSL WHILE putting up some pretty good results in Proleague. Flash did not have the same reliability that Fantasy displayed (talking about 6 months ago around the time of Fantasy vs Jaedong semis). Fantasy led his team to victory in the PL finals. The way Fantasy is playing NOW (not two months ago where Fantasy was losing to Killer an all) but now is the way Flash was playing 6 months ago. Fantasy is able to reach Ro16's but just can't get past them like Flash a few months ago. yeah, with a proxy barracks cheese; the only thing fantasy had going for him is fancy builds created by boxer/oov and unconventional play which was why he was successful for a period; once he got figured out he dropped like a fly | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Bifur
Russian Federation1208 Posts
I like Midas and I hate JangBi very much | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
Even in the LR thread people were claiming that Fantasy will demolish Flash. And then Fantasy died in a 11 min game as if he was a random noob player. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
On April 25 2010 04:22 Housemd wrote: "Fantasy was always a gimmick" What????? He came to fame rather quickly and almost won 2 straight OSL WHILE putting up some pretty good results in Proleague. Flash did not have the same reliability that Fantasy displayed (talking about 6 months ago around the time of Fantasy vs Jaedong semis). Fantasy led his team to victory in the PL finals. The way Fantasy is playing NOW (not two months ago where Fantasy was losing to Killer an all) but now is the way Flash was playing 6 months ago. Fantasy is able to reach Ro16's but just can't get past them like Flash a few months ago. Fantasy IS a gimmick. His TvZ build (which was invented by oov and taught to him) allowed him to take other Zergs by surprise and consequently he enjoyed a relatively short period of prominence. Once Zergs figured out his strategy, he had nothing left to offer them. Today, he's still struggling to do these gimmicky TvZ builds that are out-dated and have been figured out. A guy like Hwasin, if in shape, will always perform well in TvZ because Hwasin is good with standard bio TvZ. Fantasy on the other hand is done in TvZ, unless he figures out some new gimmick. | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
On April 25 2010 04:22 Housemd wrote: "Fantasy was always a gimmick" What????? He came to fame rather quickly and almost won 2 straight OSL WHILE putting up some pretty good results in Proleague. Flash did not have the same reliability that Fantasy displayed (talking about 6 months ago around the time of Fantasy vs Jaedong semis). Fantasy led his team to victory in the PL finals. The way Fantasy is playing NOW (not two months ago where Fantasy was losing to Killer an all) but now is the way Flash was playing 6 months ago. Fantasy is able to reach Ro16's but just can't get past them like Flash a few months ago. While Fantasy was the one who beat Jaedong twice in the finals, it was actually Bisu and Best lead SKT to the finals of the proleague since during that time. Whenever Bisu was sent out for the ace match, he did not lose. Fantasy wasn't that great in proleague overall. Of course Bisu is pretty much dead so SKT is floundering. Fantasy's TvT has always been the top, his TvP is very good, but his TvZ is completely held together by gimmicks. Except a few games (like his game against Jaedong on Outsider), he has always relied on unconventional play to beat good zergs. | ||
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dani_caliKorea
730 Posts
On April 25 2010 07:13 saltywet wrote: yeah, with a proxy barracks cheese; the only thing fantasy had going for him is fancy builds created by boxer/oov and unconventional play which was why he was successful for a period; once he got figured out he dropped like a fly Fantasy beat Jaedong straight up on Outsider during the same event. He also rolled over Hiya. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On April 25 2010 21:26 Kwanroller wrote: While Fantasy was the one who beat Jaedong twice in the finals, it was actually Bisu and Best lead SKT to the finals of the proleague since during that time. Whenever Bisu was sent out for the ace match, he did not lose. Fantasy wasn't that great in proleague overall. Of course Bisu is pretty much dead so SKT is floundering. Fantasy's TvT has always been the top, his TvP is very good, but his TvZ is completely held together by gimmicks. Except a few games (like his game against Jaedong on Outsider), he has always relied on unconventional play to beat good zergs. See, if Fantasy keeps on creating "new" builds in TvZ, even though unconventional can lead to some success. EVERY progamer has a weakest match up and Fantasy's is his TvZ. Fantasy can't control mnm correctly, so he needs to make new timings and all with mech to win. To him, he needs to create new builds since he knows that he can't control mnm. Every progamer can create new builds and they will look gimmicky once someone has found a way to counter them. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 25 2010 23:34 Housemd wrote: See, if Fantasy keeps on creating "new" builds in TvZ, even though unconventional can lead to some success. EVERY progamer has a weakest match up and Fantasy's is his TvZ. Fantasy can't control mnm correctly, so he needs to make new timings and all with mech to win. To him, he needs to create new builds since he knows that he can't control mnm. Every progamer can create new builds and they will look gimmicky once someone has found a way to counter them. Yeah but you see that's difference between Flash and Fantasy, Flash can control MnMs just as good as Mech while Fantasy can't. So by that logic Flash > Fantasy. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On April 25 2010 23:55 Xiphos wrote: Yeah but you see that's difference between Flash and Fantasy, Flash can control MnMs just as good as Mech while Fantasy can't. So by that logic Flash > Fantasy. I'm probably fighting a losing argument here (my being a fan of Fantasy got into my head) but what you said is not right. Just because you can control one thing better than another person does not make you better. I mean, if i could control vultures better than you, that does not mean im better than you. (even though i am ) | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 26 2010 00:02 Housemd wrote: I'm probably fighting a losing argument here (my being a fan of Fantasy got into my head) but what you said is not right. Just because you can control one thing better than another person does not make you better. I mean, if i could control vultures better than you, that does not mean im better than you. (even though i am )Yes it does means you are better. Lets look at it like this. Fantasy can control Mech at A level and Bionic at B level. Flash can control Mech at A level AND Bionic at A level. So Flash > Fantasy. If you don't want to look at who have the better control, lets look at the accomplishment, Flash with 2 StarLeague under his belt while Fantasy is off collecting Silvers. And lets look at stats now, Flash have over 70% in all matchups while Fantasy don't. And look at ELO, once again Flash > Fantasy. Not saying that I hate his creative build or anything (I actually look up to his TvP) but you just CAN'T say that Fantasy is better than Flash. | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On April 26 2010 00:13 Xiphos wrote: Yes it does means you are better. Lets look at it like this. Fantasy can control Mech at A level and Bionic at B level. Flash can control Mech at A level AND Bionic at A level. So Flash > Fantasy. If you don't want to look at who have the better control, lets look at the accomplishment, Flash with 2 StarLeague under his belt while Fantasy is off collecting Silvers. And lets look at stats now, Flash have over 70% in all matchups while Fantasy don't. And look at ELO, once again Flash > Fantasy. Not saying that I hate his creative build or anything (I actually look up to his TvP) but you just CAN'T say that Fantasy is better than Flash. You win... EDIT: you should have mentioned the starleagues and ELO earlier (i never thought of them). And yea...i knew that Flash was better than Fantasy (i'm a fan of Fantasy so it explains a lot) but i was really talking about whether Fantasy is "gimmicky or not" | ||
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Kwanroller
Afghanistan459 Posts
On April 25 2010 23:34 Housemd wrote: See, if Fantasy keeps on creating "new" builds in TvZ, even though unconventional can lead to some success. EVERY progamer has a weakest match up and Fantasy's is his TvZ. Fantasy can't control mnm correctly, so he needs to make new timings and all with mech to win. To him, he needs to create new builds since he knows that he can't control mnm. Every progamer can create new builds and they will look gimmicky once someone has found a way to counter them. That's why its gimmicky - its easily crushed, requires your opponent to do exactly what you want him to do, and thus its extremely fragile. Leta with his two port wraith was extremely gimmicky and guess what? The build was very quickly its buried into the ground because everyone and his dog found out how to embarrass you for choosing the build. The problem is until Fantasy actually plays like the Crown Prince of SKT's terran line, he'll still be guy to embarrass himself against Clam. He's out of options: the valkyrie build barely works these days, every good zerg knows how to fight mech since it was being used so often, and his strange mech switch mid game timing has already been exposed to the public. He'll have trouble finding TvZ success until he actually learns how to consistently win with ever flexible SK terran since mech is one of those map dependent units much like carriers. A real shame because his TvP and TvT are really amazing things to watch. | ||
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