[SWL] CJ Entus vs STX Soul - Page 26

On February 27 2010 16:24 TI-Nspire CAS wrote:


Reverse all killing Hwaseung isn't really anything special when you actually pay attention to the actual details. Skyhigh beat Jaedong's 4pool, crushed two Oz protoss players who weren't Backho, and then played the only matchup he's actually good at.

Many of the CJ cheese builds used to snipe are probably Much's builds because I seriously doubt guys like Skyhigh are even smart enough to dream of using the floating barracks trick + fake bunker rush against Jaedong. Without Much, they've lost much of their sniping ability and thus are a pretty weak team since the vast majority of players are pretty much autolose in certain matchups and they lack a solid ace player like Jaedong or Flash.

On February 27 2010 16:44 dukethegold wrote:
Has the loss of Savior got to their nerves?

On February 27 2010 16:39 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Spear and Young.

Honestly yeah it was clutch but come on, it was Spear and Young. The most impressive thing he did was not fail to nerves, and I'm saying this as a fan of both teams.

On February 27 2010 16:49 Ace wrote:


doesn't matter. The fact that Spear and Young are playing in a Finals match says a lot about the atmosphere at the time. Stop trying to discredit the guy.

On February 27 2010 16:29 We Are Here wrote:
it was special, it was the damn finals. talk about being clutch

On February 27 2010 16:49 Ace wrote:


doesn't matter. The fact that Spear and Young are playing in a Finals match says a lot about the atmosphere at the time. Stop trying to discredit the guy.

On February 27 2010 16:27 Ace wrote:
seriously that was a very worthless post. Gj undermining the SH's and the rest of CJ's ability.

On February 27 2010 16:57 TI-Nspire CAS wrote:


Yeah and the Oz players, Hiya especially, weren't under similar conditions. Once Skyhigh got rid of Jaedong, who 4 pooled, it was game considering he would either play scrubs or against a terran who is much weaker than him at TvT.



It does matter because the Oz players were in a similar situation, especially Hiya. Imagine the pressure Hiya had when he had to play one of the best TvTers in a matchup he's generally been pretty poor at.



I really don't think so. Their current lineup does better in normal proleague than Winner's League since you actually know who you are playing in normal proleague and thus can prepare accordingly.

Let's look at the big three of CJ:

Movie is better than the majority of protoss players at PvZ but is pretty ordinary at PvT and PvP. OK you can bring the EVER OSL example here but he had a pretty easy route to the finals. In the Ro16, all he had to do was beat Go.go and Pusan to get into he Ro8. In the Ro8 he had to beat Zero who is not only extremely streaky but also prone to choking extremely hard in high pressure situations. In the Ro4 he had to beat Shine who has the worst hive tech play out of all the A team zergs.

Skyhigh is one of the best TvTers but is extremely shit in TvP and TvZ. If your team has a good zerg or protoss player, just send him out and Skyhigh will pretty much lose automatically.

Effort is a solid ace option but doesn't even compare to the likes of Jaedong or Flash. He's slumping too and the fact that all zergs basically play ZvZ well these days means to get rid of him you just throw all the zergs you have at him.

They're doing extremely badly in Winner's League because not only have they lost most of their sniping ability, most of their players are extremely easy to snipe assuming your proleague team has good players of all three matchups.

On February 27 2010 17:05 SuperArc wrote:


Movie defeated Shine before it got even to high tech. Do not discredit his win over the destroyer of both Bisu AND Stork ON THE SAME MAPS.

On February 27 2010 17:12 snowdrift86 wrote:
He's mostly right. The top CJ players are too specialized at this point. That's good for proleague but hurts in WL when opposing teams will just send someone in their worst matchup to take them down. And Movie was always overrated -- his PvZ is mostly semi all-ins off of two bases that work well against greedy zergs. In all other respects he's terribly sloppy.

On February 27 2010 18:00 raga4ka wrote:


His PvZ isn't overrated considering that he always goes for two bases all - ins and it works most of the time it means he is doing something right . While other protosses except for Stork can't win a PvZ if their life depended on it .

The difference between CJ before and now is that before Iris was an all-around beast at that time and now he barely even gets to play , and savior was actually winning some games , even Much was there for strategic advice .