Poll: Who are you cheering for? (Vote): Jangbi (Vote): GatoradeZerg (Vote): Ruby (Vote): Effort
Poll: Who do you think will go through? (Vote): FireFist-Jangbi (Vote): Effort-FireFist (Vote): Ruby-FireFist (Vote): Jangbi-Effort (Vote): Effort-Ruby (Vote): Jangbi-Ruby
That one breaks right as the games start every time.
That seems to be the trend... but I've had it work before, and it seems to be stable for now. I'm sure there will be some streamers and if not there's always Uusee
Effort is not at his best atm, but he should be able to go through pretty easily. I actually want all players to go advance in this group; Ruby because he's an ACE player, Effort because he's so fucking good, Firefist and Jangbi because they're on awesome teams.
On December 10 2009 19:47 deathgod6 wrote: Can someone explain why Firefist is nicknamed Gatorade?
All I know is Realpenguin made some imagemacros with Firefist and text like "WHO DRANK ALL THE GATORADE?" "DAMN RIGHT I DRANK ALL THE GATORADE!" I'm not sure where he got it from, though.
On December 10 2009 19:48 Holgerius wrote: Effort is not at his best atm, but he should be able to go through pretty easily. I actually want all players to go advance in this group; Ruby because he's an ACE player, Effort because he's so fucking good, Firefist and Jangbi because they're on awesome teams.
effort has been back to form recently, he will take this with ease i believe
On December 10 2009 19:47 deathgod6 wrote: Can someone explain why Firefist is nicknamed Gatorade?
All I know is Realpenguin made some imagemacros with Firefist and text like "WHO DRANK ALL THE GATORADE?" "DAMN RIGHT I DRANK ALL THE GATORADE!" I'm not sure where he got it from, though.
On December 10 2009 19:53 Superbia wrote: Because he stole and drank someone's Gatorade during prelims and thanked the person for it during an interview.
The Realpenguin imagemacro's were during the STX Masters Cup where Firefist allkilled a team. It was Nbs who drank someone's water during the prelims and thanked the guy afterwards.
On December 10 2009 19:53 Superbia wrote: Because he stole and drank someone's Gatorade during prelims and thanked the person for it during an interview.
The Realpenguin imagemacro's were during the STX Masters Cup where Firefist allkilled a team. It was Nbs who drank someone's water during the prelims and thanked the guy afterwards.
Was it Ruby against Hoejja? Some game on destination where Ruby did the "take half of the map, camp and wait" Strategy. But this time he has less than half.
On December 10 2009 20:13 Aesop wrote: Was it Ruby against Hoejja? Some game on destination where Ruby did the "take half of the map, camp and wait" Strategy. But this time he has less than half.
On December 10 2009 20:13 Aesop wrote: Was it Ruby against Hoejja? Some game on destination where Ruby did the "take half of the map, camp and wait" Strategy. But this time he has less than half.
Yeah that game was so painful for me as a Hoejja fan
I dont understand why effort doing ultra, ling defiler vs mech - just jumped in here in the end-game but it seems that effort has enough bases to support ALOT of max upgraded hydras and double upgraded spires no?
ruby is a really smart player - he knows he doesn't have the fastest hands or the best reaction time so he makes sure to put himself in situations where those skills won't be super important
wow, it seemed like anything and everything effort threw at ruby just melted. He tried mutas, hydras, lings, lurkers under swarm, and even ultralisks. I'm saddened but congrats to ruby, i hope he makes it through!
Not a good game by Effort , Ruby played good . You should stick with muta/hydra as your main army against mech and a few lurkers under swarm for stoping pushes and gaining position . Ruby bearly had any anti - air when he was pushing down the map only tanks , Effort should have taken them out .
On December 10 2009 20:29 29 fps wrote: in the replay i saw effort's supply at 130 (after losing that doomdrop battle), then in less than 10 sec, it's 199
he has his double gas forever, i was really fearing for ruby and his inability to shutdown double expo from zerg for 4th and 5th base but i guess it was effort i should've been fearing for had no idea a huge mech army was so strong against a high-gas and somewhat untouched zerg
On December 10 2009 20:29 29 fps wrote: in the replay i saw effort's supply at 130 (after losing that doomdrop battle), then in less than 10 sec, it's 199
70 supply is not that much if you have money saved up. like ultras from 4 hatches and lings/hydras from 4 others
i just loved that scene where those 6 overlords and that vessel had a little mosh gathering. it hopefully foreshadows peace and unity within the 3 races.......no
On December 10 2009 20:32 thestool91 wrote: i just loved that scene where those 6 overlords and that vessel had a little mosh gathering. it hopefully foreshadows peace and unity within the 3 races.......no
On December 10 2009 20:32 thestool91 wrote: i just loved that scene where those 6 overlords and that vessel had a little mosh gathering. it hopefully foreshadows peace and unity within the 3 races.......no
then the two scourge that come for it a half minute later ? </3
On December 10 2009 20:32 thestool91 wrote: i just loved that scene where those 6 overlords and that vessel had a little mosh gathering. it hopefully foreshadows peace and unity within the 3 races.......no
then the two scourge that come for it a half minute later ? </3
well.....it was a peaceful 30 seconds...minus the other battles going on
On December 10 2009 20:31 SkelA wrote: he shoulda switch to muta would own his eco and those 100 tanks no ground army can beat that much tanks
this. Ruby had a really tank heavy army and instead of making mutas, effort decided to make ultras.
most likely because effort was already caught up in his original mix of units that the transition into mutas didnt really come to his mind. it seems like he was too far into his plan to change units
On December 10 2009 20:31 SkelA wrote: he shoulda switch to muta would own his eco and those 100 tanks no ground army can beat that much tanks
this. Ruby had a really tank heavy army and instead of making mutas, effort decided to make ultras.
Do you really think mutas work against goliath/SV combination? Ruby had nothing to do with his energy anyway(just the occasional defilers), and could probably get off 5+ irradiates against any muta cloud before they even sniff the tanks.
On December 10 2009 20:31 SkelA wrote: he shoulda switch to muta would own his eco and those 100 tanks no ground army can beat that much tanks
this. Ruby had a really tank heavy army and instead of making mutas, effort decided to make ultras.
Do you really think mutas work against goliath/SV combination? Ruby had nothing to do with his energy anyway(just the occasional defilers), and could probably get off 5+ irradiates against any muta cloud before they even sniff the tanks.
I think it would work better than what he actually did.
On December 10 2009 20:31 SkelA wrote: he shoulda switch to muta would own his eco and those 100 tanks no ground army can beat that much tanks
this. Ruby had a really tank heavy army and instead of making mutas, effort decided to make ultras.
Do you really think mutas work against goliath/SV combination? Ruby had nothing to do with his energy anyway(just the occasional defilers), and could probably get off 5+ irradiates against any muta cloud before they even sniff the tanks.
yes, it would have made a dent in the tank army and force ruby to get more golis at which point effort could have crushed a goli heavy army with hydras
it wouldn't have been an insta win, but it would have created a more even game
on one hand, I would love for one of them to take out the other so flash has a clear road to MSL victory, but on the other hand, that's pretty bad for starcraft in general
i was waiting for kal to make reavers in his msl game earlier, maybe jangbi can switch to reaver cannon defence after his somewhat.. slightly very marginally faster 3rd ~ ~
nice tactic by jangbi - he puts 2 zealots on hold position at the ramp to buy more time for his zealots to fuck up drones jangbi taking his 4th nice play by jangbi
On December 10 2009 21:04 RHoudini wrote: Not a good day for zerg...
And I'm loving it! Seriously, they had an entire season when they won everything, enough is enough. If any Zerg other than JD makes a final this year I will be very disappointed.
On December 10 2009 20:49 Tyxiquale wrote: on one hand, I would love for one of them to take out the other so flash has a clear road to MSL victory, but on the other hand, that's pretty bad for starcraft in general
Well they are guaranteed to play unless Effort fails to make it out of this group altogether.
If Flash makes RO8 he's guaranteed at least #2 seed.
Yay, Jangbi! I was afraid for a sec that he would throw it, when he charged up that damned plateau and lost his 4th, but he found the weak spot soon enough.
That was a weird last battle. Archon/zealot/goon vs ultra under swarm. Yet Jangbi won with very little storm involved. His army advantage must've been a lot bigger than I previously thought.
On December 10 2009 21:04 RHoudini wrote: Not a good day for zerg...
And I'm loving it! Seriously, they had an entire season when they won everything, enough is enough. If any Zerg other than JD makes a final this year I will be very disappointed.
I would add zero to that list that guy is amazing most entertaing zerg to watch for sure
On December 10 2009 21:04 RHoudini wrote: Not a good day for zerg...
And I'm loving it! Seriously, they had an entire season when they won everything, enough is enough. If any Zerg other than JD makes a final this year I will be very disappointed.
honestly if under 2 zerg make it in i wod be pretty upset. yes last season i didnt watch neither of the msl/osl semis because it was zerg fest but this season for each im hoping for 3 zergs in the round of 8
On December 10 2009 21:09 baubo wrote: That was a weird last battle. Archon/zealot/goon vs ultra under swarm. Yet Jangbi won with very little storm involved. His army advantage must've been a lot bigger than I previously thought.
3 Ultras and no pool to make more lings. Not really surprising.
On December 10 2009 21:04 RHoudini wrote: Not a good day for zerg...
And I'm loving it! Seriously, they had an entire season when they won everything, enough is enough. If any Zerg other than JD makes a final this year I will be very disappointed.
I would add zero to that list that guy is amazing most entertaing zerg to watch for sure
Zero would be somewhat OK, but Flash, Stork and JD are all more deserving.
Another season with Kwanro's and Type-B's in semifinals would make me cry.
On December 10 2009 21:09 baubo wrote: That was a weird last battle. Archon/zealot/goon vs ultra under swarm. Yet Jangbi won with very little storm involved. His army advantage must've been a lot bigger than I previously thought.
3 Ultras and no pool to make more lings. Not really surprising.
Are you sure that's all that's under the swarm. It looked more than that. Sure, the pool was down, but I had thought firefist had a good amount of army to not get slaughtered under the swarm.
On December 10 2009 21:09 baubo wrote: That was a weird last battle. Archon/zealot/goon vs ultra under swarm. Yet Jangbi won with very little storm involved. His army advantage must've been a lot bigger than I previously thought.
3 Ultras and no pool to make more lings. Not really surprising.
Are you sure that's all that's under the swarm. It looked more than that. Sure, the pool was down, but I had thought firefist had a good amount of army to not get slaughtered under the swarm.
panic swarm man >6 ultras for sure &>1.5 control groups of lings
On December 10 2009 21:09 baubo wrote: That was a weird last battle. Archon/zealot/goon vs ultra under swarm. Yet Jangbi won with very little storm involved. His army advantage must've been a lot bigger than I previously thought.
3 Ultras and no pool to make more lings. Not really surprising.
Are you sure that's all that's under the swarm. It looked more than that. Sure, the pool was down, but I had thought firefist had a good amount of army to not get slaughtered under the swarm.
He had a small pack of zerglings, something like 4 ultralisks, and a handful of hydralisks but still had a smaller army than Jangbi. Plus, swarm doesn't do anything against a ball of archons, a crapload of storms, and a whole pack of zealots.
DT rush --> Expo and 2 Base Arbs with a handful of goons seems like quite an abusive build. Wouldn't a fast 2 Base push (4 Fac maybe?) with a ton of Vultures fuck that up pretty badly?
On December 10 2009 21:30 Holgerius wrote: DT rush --> Expo and 2 Base Arbs with a handful of goons seems like quite an abusive build. Wouldn't a fast 2 Base push (4 Fac maybe?) with a ton of Vultures fuck that up pretty badly?
you can't fast 2-base push exactly if youre 2nd base gets turned into a late 2nd ~ ~ hehe
JangBi !!! I'm always getting owned by 2 base arbiter, so I told myself "ok how a PRO counter this horrible build by Protoss". Ok... Ruby is owned as me by 2 base arbiter xdd.
On December 10 2009 21:30 Holgerius wrote: DT rush --> Expo and 2 Base Arbs with a handful of goons seems like quite an abusive build. Wouldn't a fast 2 Base push (4 Fac maybe?) with a ton of Vultures fuck that up pretty badly?
you can't fast 2-base push exactly if youre 2nd base gets turned into a late 2nd ~ ~ hehe
The expo got a little delayed, yeah, but late obs and few units seems quite fragile and punishable.
On December 10 2009 21:30 Holgerius wrote: DT rush --> Expo and 2 Base Arbs with a handful of goons seems like quite an abusive build. Wouldn't a fast 2 Base push (4 Fac maybe?) with a ton of Vultures fuck that up pretty badly?
you can't fast 2-base push exactly if youre 2nd base gets turned into a late 2nd ~ ~ hehe
The expo got a little delayed, yeah, but late obs and few units seems quite fragile and punishable.
that's true didn't see if he was 3-fac or not by the time 2nd was running
Oh and for those who are curious, Jangbi's next opponent is Stats. I'm predicting a very good PvP series. Jangbi has strong mechanics and is pretty strong in this MU and Stats is an uprising progamer so I think it will be interesting.
On December 10 2009 21:53 Crunchums wrote: near perfect play from effort, now that he's helf off that attack he's going to have a winning gas advantage
You really have a knack for making *** predictions.
On December 10 2009 21:53 Crunchums wrote: near perfect play from effort, now that he's helf off that attack he's going to have a winning gas advantage
You really have a knack of making *** predictions.
yeah I've been pretty bad today hahahaha, I think I've gotten every single prediction I've made wrong you can type swear words by the way but if you're going to use asterix you should use the right number of them, unless I'm mistaken and that swear word actually has 3 letters
On December 10 2009 21:53 Crunchums wrote: near perfect play from effort, now that he's helf off that attack he's going to have a winning gas advantage
You really have a knack of making *** predictions.
yeah I've been pretty bad today hahahaha, I think I've gotten every single prediction I've made wrong you can type swear words by the way but if you're going to use asterix you should use the right number of them, unless I'm mistaken and that swear word actually has 3 letters
On December 10 2009 21:53 Crunchums wrote: near perfect play from effort, now that he's helf off that attack he's going to have a winning gas advantage
You really have a knack of making *** predictions.
yeah I've been pretty bad today hahahaha, I think I've gotten every single prediction I've made wrong you can type swear words by the way but if you're going to use asterix you should use the right number of them, unless I'm mistaken and that swear word actually has 3 letters
On December 10 2009 21:53 Crunchums wrote: near perfect play from effort, now that he's helf off that attack he's going to have a winning gas advantage
You really have a knack of making *** predictions.
yeah I've been pretty bad today hahahaha, I think I've gotten every single prediction I've made wrong you can type swear words by the way but if you're going to use asterix you should use the right number of them, unless I'm mistaken and that swear word actually has 3 letters
ass?
:p
I would've guessed "shit" but they are two parts of the same whole.
On December 10 2009 21:59 Malinor wrote: Effort not slumping, but being highly overrated in the first place. He is good with great potential, but clearly not there yet (read: S-Class).
All the hype surronding people who never have won anything.
Y, the hype is totally annoying... I blame the CJ icon...
On December 10 2009 22:03 Highways wrote: Does that mean Jaedong and Flash are in the same half??
Jaedong-Flash final is the only thing that can redeem this MSL.
Fear not my friend. Ro8 bracket is determined by Kespa Ranking. So JD will face the lowest kespa ranking player that advances to Ro8 which definately Flash is not one of them.
lol ok I lied about going to bed, I had to watch the last game. Jesus Christ Firefist got super ass lucky scouting correctly there... cross positions and he probably would have lost. O_O. Sucks for Ruby
Is this like the ultimate TvZ cheat on Ultimatum? I mean...on that map there's not other way for Terran to start out than positioning Supply + Barracks like Ruby did...
On December 10 2009 22:10 meeple wrote: His own fault... why did he not repair that supply depot?
he tried -.- 6 lings attack faster than 3 SCV's can repair
But I don't think he even started repairing until it was wayy too late. If he had started right away he could have delayed a long time... perhaps long enough for marines to get out
On December 10 2009 22:11 sky_slasher wrote: Is this like the ultimate TvZ cheat on Ultimatum? I mean...on that map there's not other way for Terran to start out than positioning Supply + Barracks like Ruby did...
r u for rela?
Terran build their buildings anywhere. Which means they can, if they so desire, build them inside their base.
On December 10 2009 22:15 Vivi57 wrote: for some reason, that got me more pissed off about how leta cheesed flash a while back than it did about ruby losing.
This is more egregious because Leta actually had split the series 1-1 in straight up games before that game.
On December 10 2009 22:15 Vivi57 wrote: for some reason, that got me more pissed off about how leta cheesed flash a while back than it did about ruby losing.
On December 10 2009 22:15 Vivi57 wrote: for some reason, that got me more pissed off about how leta cheesed flash a while back than it did about ruby losing.
This is more egregious because Leta actually had split the series 1-1 in straight up games before that game.
I'm pretty sure that was a bo3 where leta cheesed twice...
On December 10 2009 22:15 Vivi57 wrote: for some reason, that got me more pissed off about how leta cheesed flash a while back than it did about ruby losing.
This is more egregious because Leta actually had split the series 1-1 in straight up games before that game.
I'm pretty sure that was a bo3 where leta cheesed twice...
rofl. As much as a devoted JD fan as I am, I would actually laugh (kinda sad too) if that ever happened. I mean, forgg's done it.. but Bogus ain't no forgg (or at least what forgg used to be).
On December 10 2009 22:15 Vivi57 wrote: for some reason, that got me more pissed off about how leta cheesed flash a while back than it did about ruby losing.
This is more egregious because Leta actually had split the series 1-1 in straight up games before that game.
I'm pretty sure that was a bo3 where leta cheesed twice...
Although I would be totally unsurprised by a 2-0 JD victory, Firefist is a pretty legit ZvZer and could potentially upset. He is 0-2 against JD in head to head but the last game they played was over a year ago... and he is 4-0 against Effort...
I'm all for KT winning, but I would be sad to see JD knocked out if it happened.
So we got robbed of potentially good JD vs Ruby, just like we got robbed of Calm vs Iris MSL finals last MSL :| MSL - tourney of broken hopes for good matches :<
On December 10 2009 22:25 Kaniol wrote: So we got robbed of potentially good JD vs Ruby, just like we got robbed of Calm vs Iris MSL finals last MSL :| MSL - tourney of broken hopes for good matches :<
On December 10 2009 22:15 Vivi57 wrote: for some reason, that got me more pissed off about how leta cheesed flash a while back than it did about ruby losing.
This is more egregious because Leta actually had split the series 1-1 in straight up games before that game.
I'm pretty sure that was a bo3 where leta cheesed twice...
On December 10 2009 22:25 Kaniol wrote: So we got robbed of potentially good JD vs Ruby, just like we got robbed of Calm vs Iris MSL finals last MSL :| MSL - tourney of broken hopes for good matches :<
JD going 4-pool: ''omg omg omg jaedong ftw'' ''JD FUCKING GENIUS'' ''FUCKKKING JAEDONG YOU PIMP'' ''Legendary.'' ''OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG I <3 4pool'' ''pimp as all hell'' ''I came a bit'' ''i really did not expect it on that map, it's a 4-player map... really ballsy'' ''mad props for 4-pooling that game <3''
Different reactions for different players, obviously. I personally thought Firefist played a brilliant game. Sending out the drones to mine out that mineral patch was really smart.
On December 10 2009 22:28 Holgerius wrote: JD going 4-pool: ''omg omg omg jaedong ftw'' ''JD FUCKING GENIUS'' ''FUCKKKING JAEDONG YOU PIMP'' ''Legendary.'' ''OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG I <3 4pool'' ''pimp as all hell'' ''I came a bit'' ''i really did not expect it on that map, it's a 4-player map... really ballsy'' ''mad props for 4-pooling that game <3''
Different reactions for different players, obviously. I personally thought Firefist played a brilliant game. Sending out the drones to mine out that mineral patch was really smart.
YES YES YES
i was going to say that, but didn't want to get flamed to hell
On December 10 2009 22:28 Holgerius wrote: JD going 4-pool: ''omg omg omg jaedong ftw'' ''JD FUCKING GENIUS'' ''FUCKKKING JAEDONG YOU PIMP'' ''Legendary.'' ''OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG I <3 4pool'' ''pimp as all hell'' ''I came a bit'' ''i really did not expect it on that map, it's a 4-player map... really ballsy'' ''mad props for 4-pooling that game <3''
Different reactions for different players, obviously. I personally thought Firefist played a brilliant game. Sending out the drones to mine out that mineral patch was really smart.
you know how many times JD got cheesed by fantasy? That was payback.
i think u cant compare todays game with jaedongs 4pool against fantasy last osl, because back then it was a longer, more interesting game which already looked lost for jd, but then in a stroke of genius, he took victory.
todays game was pretty much decided the moment firefists overlord chose the correct direction.... there was no brilliance involved, just luck or balls, however u wanna call it.
On December 10 2009 22:28 Holgerius wrote: JD going 4-pool: ''omg omg omg jaedong ftw'' ''JD FUCKING GENIUS'' ''FUCKKKING JAEDONG YOU PIMP'' ''Legendary.'' ''OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG I <3 4pool'' ''pimp as all hell'' ''I came a bit'' ''i really did not expect it on that map, it's a 4-player map... really ballsy'' ''mad props for 4-pooling that game <3''
Different reactions for different players, obviously. I personally thought Firefist played a brilliant game. Sending out the drones to mine out that mineral patch was really smart.
lmaoooooooooo so good. I love how you captured everyone from the crazy LR person: "OMGOMGOMG" to JD fans: "FUCKKKIN JAEDONG YOU PIMP"... to the calm intellectual observing the game and trying to sound smart "i really did not expect it on that map, its a 4 player map really balsy"... so fucking good/thought out joke lol. 5/5 stars
Obviously Jaedong deserves a tad more credit for his game against Fantasy than Firefist here, but seriously; there is no doubt in my mind that if Jaedong had played this exact game in this situation people would've called him ballsy and smart instead of hating on him.
I wanted Ruby to advance too but I can't really fault Firefist for his decision to 4pool. He knew his ZvT is worse than Ruby's TvZ and Ultimatum isn't exactly a walk in the park for ZvT (correct me if I'm wrong here) so a cheese would give him the biggest chance of victory.
Or did you people just expect him to just roll over and surrender?
On December 10 2009 22:48 iLoveKT wrote: yeah I could only imagine the fanboys saying: OMG JD MINDGAME OMG OMG OMG 4 POOL EPIC.
Um i doubt it, it was just funny to everyone because of their previous matchup in proleague finals with the dual proxy rax. Not to mention its a completely different situation being in the middle of a bo5, Jaedong wouldn't even attempt it in this case. People will always get mad at being denied watching a proper game..
Feels as disappointing as when GoRush was disqualified for accidentally typing 'b' a while ago. Knocking out the only good ACE-player capable of getting far like that really pisses me off.
On December 10 2009 22:40 TDK wrote: dammit effort just when I thought u were better than JD you do this...
I´m a CJ fan and I know EffOrt is no better than JD. EffOrt is probably the most solid and constant zerg on par with JD but he lacks that genius touch. That little spark that had he possesed, he wouldn´t be out of both leagues.
On December 10 2009 23:20 sushiman wrote: Feels as disappointing as when GoRush was disqualified for accidentally typing 'b' a while ago. Knocking out the only good ACE-player capable of getting far like that really pisses me off.
On December 10 2009 22:40 TDK wrote: dammit effort just when I thought u were better than JD you do this...
I´m a CJ fan and I know EffOrt is no better than JD. EffOrt is probably the most solid and constant zerg on par with JD but he lacks that genius touch. That little spark that had he possesed, he wouldn´t be out of both leagues.
I'd probably say not so much the genius touch as it is able to prepare for so many games at the same time. His game against Ruby today showed a lot of questionable decision-making, and lost despite showing vastly superior skills and multi-tasking.
On December 10 2009 23:23 raga4ka wrote: Effort why are you bad at ZvZ man and why freaking ultra/ling defiler against mech ? Stick to Muta/ hidra with lurker/defiler support for god's sake .
He got some advice from Savior on how to handle Mech
In other news, all the dragons are back in form and roflstomping zergs again. Except maybe free. Hmm, I think we should replace him with violet or movie.
On December 10 2009 23:23 raga4ka wrote: Effort why are you bad at ZvZ man and why freaking ultra/ling defiler against mech ? Stick to Muta/ hidra with lurker/defiler support for god's sake .
He got some advice from Savior on how to handle Mech
In other news, all the dragons are back in form and roflstomping zergs again. Except maybe free. Hmm, I think we should replace him with violet or movie.
On December 10 2009 23:29 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Jaedong 4 pooling (or 5) terran --> great move
Firefist 4 pooling terran --> lame move
wtf?
Yes, because Ruby is hero for many people - he is most promising person from ACE which most people consider "handicapped" team, so if he has to be defeated - we want him to be defeated in some epic fight.
Because you don't like your favorite player being just stomped with some cheesy strat in one-sided fight. Only games when your favorite is defeated that you accept are these ones that he loses after well fought battle. Truth is - he could defend this and win, but he didn't.
Either way the game would be one-sided, depending only on success on this attack, since FireFist commited his drones as well - that's what makes this game unable to be epic.
I'm happy for FF to advance, because i like him, but i am not blindfolded - this was NOT an exciting game as many people were expecting it to be
On December 10 2009 23:29 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Jaedong 4 pooling (or 5) terran --> great move
Firefist 4 pooling terran --> lame move
wtf?
I say this as a gatorade supporter, but there's a few very basic differences.
Jaedong cheesed in a series game which is all about mental advantage. It's like how no one hated July for cheesing Best in their OSL finals -- it was a brilliant mind game. Same goes for Boxer though no one hates boxer.
What firefist did, though, was turn what could've been a very fun 1v1 into a 3 minute game -- no matter what. Cheesing a Bo1 is just a cheap way to take a win/advance, especially when there's lot of things on the line.
By cheesing Ruby he A) Created the ONLY mirror match up as him vs Jaedong, instead of TvJaedong B)Killed what would have been an amazing thing of an Ace player making the Ro16 in MSL C) Ended a very exciting night in a very anti climactic way and D) Robbed us of what SHOULD'VE been a good game in him vs Ruby, because they're both pretty solid players.
When Jaedong 4pooled, it was just a continuance of a dominating series which, at the very least, had one more game to go, and at the most, had 2 more games. Finishing a series with a cheese is just disheartening. It's like ZvZ ace matches -- there's nothing WRONG with ZvZ (analogywise-- there's nothing WRONG with cheesing), it's just annoying that we waited 2 hours for our finale and it ended in 3 minutes.
There's a difference between making short work of an inferior opponent, and goinglame to get an undeserved win. JD does the former, Firefist does the latter.
i believe that once the Ro8 is set, the MSL rearranges the bracket by Kespa rank (not sure how it works aside from #1 and #2 aren't on the same side). So, assuming Jaedong and Flash both make it to the Ro8, they should be on opposite sides of the bracket.
On December 11 2009 03:55 johanes wrote: Flash used to be king of cheese, now he is king of starcraft, who knows, what will become out of firefist
Firefist is old as hell. He's been on the scene for god knows how long. Unless he pulls some spectacular miracle out of his ass, he's not going anywhere.
The reason why JD is getting worshipped when he cheeses is very simple. Because everybody knows he's probably the best mechanics and lategame management, so when he does cheese it's not about desperation or becaues he is afraid, but mindgames. Like Boxer, his cheese was loved because it was all about mindgames.
I get pissed when jaedong cheeses, but Jaedong cheesing fantasy or like leta, no one would get pissed off because if any terrans deserved to get cheesed its those 2. And this is coming from a terran fan. So lame, now jd gets (probably) an easy pass to ro8.
On December 11 2009 01:02 TwoToneTerran wrote: By cheesing Ruby he A) Created the ONLY mirror match up as him vs Jaedong, instead of TvJaedong
Sorry, but you are mistaken.
You're right, Stats/Jangbi, but it's our only ZvZ and I was looking forward to a lack of ZvZ for a bit. Good match up but I'm pretty sure everyone is tired of it dominating tournaments and ace matches.
On December 11 2009 05:32 Ideas wrote: yeah looks like Effort is the Zerg sea
a bit premature... effort is still relatively new. TL bandwagons so hard, and then turns on the players so quickly its ridiculous. But like someone said before, I never jumped on the effort is jesus bandwagon. Zero has been my zerg pick since 08, nevertheless, effort will prove himself Im sure, hes a great player.
Jangbi is a fucking waste...at best hell get 2nd again. I mean losing in the finals to Luxury after gaying the shit out of Nada..meh. Hell just run into a zerg and get raped, heck his PvT isnt Almighty anymore, I dont think hes a threat,
On December 11 2009 05:32 Ideas wrote: yeah looks like Effort is the Zerg sea
a bit premature... effort is still relatively new. TL bandwagons so hard, and then turns on the players so quickly its ridiculous. But like someone said before, I never jumped on the effort is jesus bandwagon. Zero has been my zerg pick since 08, nevertheless, effort will prove himself Im sure, hes a great player.
well how long was sea around before people realized he never got further than the Ro8 in a starleague?
On December 11 2009 06:03 mog87 wrote: Jangbi is a fucking waste...at best hell get 2nd again. I mean losing in the finals to Luxury after gaying the shit out of Nada..meh. Hell just run into a zerg and get raped, heck his PvT isnt Almighty anymore, I dont think hes a threat,
A fucking waste got into msl finals twice and gom final once. Thats better than practicaly all your favorite boys.
On December 11 2009 06:03 mog87 wrote: Jangbi is a fucking waste...at best hell get 2nd again. I mean losing in the finals to Luxury after gaying the shit out of Nada..meh. Hell just run into a zerg and get raped, heck his PvT isnt Almighty anymore, I dont think hes a threat,
omfg... just thinking about that MSL makes me sad. nada should've been the one going to the finals...
On December 11 2009 06:03 mog87 wrote: Jangbi is a fucking waste...at best hell get 2nd again. I mean losing in the finals to Luxury after gaying the shit out of Nada..meh. Hell just run into a zerg and get raped, heck his PvT isnt Almighty anymore, I dont think hes a threat,
Oh and do you think yellow getting into finals all those times in the past is a waste? Yea, because all he get is 2nd. He never get first, what a waste. After taking out all tournament favorites time after time and only get seconds. What a fucking waste.
On December 11 2009 06:03 mog87 wrote: Jangbi is a fucking waste...at best hell get 2nd again. I mean losing in the finals to Luxury after gaying the shit out of Nada..meh. Hell just run into a zerg and get raped, heck his PvT isnt Almighty anymore, I dont think hes a threat,
"gaying the shit out of nada" holy lol what the hell are you smoking, because i want some
On December 11 2009 11:31 Plutonium wrote: Ruby got cheesed out of the MSL by some gay 2-base DT arbiter shit and a 4-pool :/
He deserved to advance after that first set.
Is 2-base dt arbiter really a cheese? I remember best doing it all the time, except instead of opening up with dts, he went straight to arbiters. Its not like dts won jangbi the game either.
You really can't say that its a cheese move because jangbi was perfectly fine even though it failed.
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