Poll: Who advances? (Vote): Stork and Canata (Vote): Stork and Movie (Vote): Stork and hero (Vote): hero and Movie (Vote): hero and Canata (Vote): Canata and Movie
Poll: Who are you rooting for? (Vote): Stork (Vote): Canata (Vote): Movie (Vote): hero
Poll: Could Stork get any sexier? (Vote): He's reached maximum sexiness (Vote): Sure, he could be Reach.
I'm seeing both protosses to advance today. They are playing great. Since I think both hero and Movie will lose their opening matches, I'm favoring Movie because of the lack of an accessible third gas on Ultimatum.
On November 28 2009 15:51 motbob wrote: edit: i didn't say anything!
Why's it so bad to know? I mean, 'cause I know what you first posted.
On November 28 2009 14:29 MrHoon wrote: <MrHoon> "I wasn't trying to finish the game so quick... I just wish my opponents would stop being so greedy (laughs). I think they're trying to play against the Older Me" <MrHoon> - Flash
<MrHoon> "Unless you get blessed by God, I don't think you will beat me ever again" <MrHoon> "Unless you're stork" <MrHoon> - Flash
Even Flash acknowledges Stork's sexiness.
Predicted to advance here: Stork and [some other scrub]
On November 28 2009 17:13 Chen wrote: Is there a reason canata does not want to finish that bunker?... and then cancels it?...
A lot of times you time a bunker so it would finish during an all-in/zergling attack and if it doesn't come or you don't need it, you cancel to get back money
you see it a lot in tvt to defend against 3 rine/1vult attack, but if it doesn't come you just cancel
On November 28 2009 17:27 samachking wrote: Why wasnt hero sent out for Ace? His ZvP is pretty equal to Bisu and he played a better game here than Calm :/
you want to try playing three vitally important games in the span of 2 hours? actually hes playing another 2 in this group, so that would be 5 games in about 3 hours. against 4 or 5 different opponents
On November 28 2009 17:27 raga4ka wrote: Hero did a really good job delaying Canata's push with mutas and basicly took the map with expos .
It was similar to Clam vs Fantasy, except Fantasy was even more behind in the early-mid game and Canata tried to do some ridiculous 2 port SV pump and messing around with vultures instead of aggressive SK Terran w/ dropship play. Rather than harass zerg, he thought it'd be better to stand around taking punches to the face. It's quite obvious who wears the pants in SKT's Terran house.
On November 28 2009 17:27 samachking wrote: Why wasnt hero sent out for Ace? His ZvP is pretty equal to Bisu and he played a better game here than Calm :/
you want to try playing three vitally important games in the span of 2 hours? actually hes playing another 2 in this group, so that would be 5 games in about 3 hours. against 4 or 5 different opponents
yup I suppose STX is no Oz/KTF, but again Calm played his MSL group yesterday + OSL group the day before, so I dont see how big of a difference it makes
That one failed attack where Stork underestimated Movie's goon count is what lost it. It was the WORST time to attack. Right after his nex came up but not enough time for the eco boost to kick in troops-wise. After that, Stork was down in the goon count.
On November 28 2009 17:56 WheelOfTime wrote: STORK had this game WON.
WTF happened.
He lost ~6 goons to a reaver with no shuttle due to horrible micro. He had 6 goons + a reaver with a shuttle in Movie's base and just didnt micro and lost almost everything. Contain got broken and it was 2 base v 2 base
it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
On November 28 2009 17:57 StorkHwaiting wrote: That one failed attack where Stork underestimated Movie's goon count is what lost it. It was the WORST time to attack. Right after his nex came up but not enough time for the eco boost to kick in troops-wise. After that, Stork was down in the goon count.
I thought the thing that lost it was Stork attacking movie in his main while he could have continued containing him no problem .
Oh well Movie should make the PR next month and as his fan i'm happy .
Movie asked to play PvP to prove his mettle - he got the best PvP player in history (though Bisu is currently better probably) as his chance, and he seized it. I hope this gives him a ton of confidence to roll Pusan in OSL.
Movie is a BALLER. I can't wait for the day when Effort/Skyhigh/Movie are all playing well at the same time.
On November 28 2009 18:01 FireGuyX wrote: Time for Movie to beat by.hero again. I just get this feeling that Hero will never beat Movie, kind of like zero always losing to Jaedong.
On November 28 2009 18:05 OneOther wrote: i hope movie loses vs hero so stork can facefuck him in fifth set
I hope Movie beats hero (again) so hero can roll Stork in the fifth set.
I don't hate Stork but I sure love seeing him lose painfully - there hasn't been enough of that lately as all of a sudden TL has turned into a Stork lovefest.
On November 28 2009 18:05 OneOther wrote: i hope movie loses vs hero so stork can facefuck him in fifth set
I hope Movie beats hero (again) so hero can roll Stork in the fifth set.
I don't hate Stork but I sure love seeing him lose painfully - there hasn't been enough of that lately as all of a sudden TL has turned into a Stork lovefest.
Nothing wrong with that, Stork will always be a likable player, even when he loses.
On November 28 2009 18:05 OneOther wrote: i hope movie loses vs hero so stork can facefuck him in fifth set
I hope Movie beats hero (again) so hero can roll Stork in the fifth set.
I don't hate Stork but I sure love seeing him lose painfully - there hasn't been enough of that lately as all of a sudden TL has turned into a Stork lovefest.
Nothing wrong with that, Stork will always be a likable player, even when he loses.
Yeah I mean Stork is definitely a good guy. I just remember the days when people legitimately disliked him (for failing) before it got to be too much and people started feeling sorry for him. Only Stork could win an OSL and still have a million "Stork for 2nd place" jokes made - I sure as hell hope he never retires because I would miss him terribly.
wow Hero isnt mining at his main and has like 7 drones... Movie still is in this. Hero going ALL-IN LINGS OFF OF 2 HATCH Unless he starts making drones right after i say that
God, Movie is so fking stupid. He let his Nexus go down then he goes and chases the hydras with his probes. Wouldn't you think it would be smarter to go BEFORE the nexus is down for crying out loud!
On November 28 2009 18:05 OneOther wrote: i hope movie loses vs hero so stork can facefuck him in fifth set
I hope Movie beats hero (again) so hero can roll Stork in the fifth set.
I don't hate Stork but I sure love seeing him lose painfully - there hasn't been enough of that lately as all of a sudden TL has turned into a Stork lovefest.
On November 28 2009 18:00 cunninglinguists wrote: it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
God one game does not mean Stork's PvP is slipping. Please don't try to make dumb umbrella assertions. Same with Flash. Yeah his TvP is just SO bad now, coz he lost one game to Best.
On November 28 2009 18:00 cunninglinguists wrote: it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
God one game does not mean Stork's PvP is slipping. Please don't try to make dumb umbrella assertions. Same with Flash. Yeah his TvP is just SO bad now, coz he lost one game to Best.
Flash said in an interview that he feels it's his weakest matchup.
On November 28 2009 18:05 OneOther wrote: i hope movie loses vs hero so stork can facefuck him in fifth set
I hope Movie beats hero (again) so hero can roll Stork in the fifth set.
I don't hate Stork but I sure love seeing him lose painfully - there hasn't been enough of that lately as all of a sudden TL has turned into a Stork lovefest.
Nothing wrong with that, Stork will always be a likable player, even when he loses.
Yeah I mean Stork is definitely a good guy. I just remember the days when people legitimately disliked him (for failing) before it got to be too much and people started feeling sorry for him. Only Stork could win an OSL and still have a million "Stork for 2nd place" jokes made - I sure as hell hope he never retires because I would miss him terribly.
A lot of people are riding the bandwagon now, but it's been hell being a Stork fan for years. Lol us Stork fans took a lot of shit for a loooong time :D
On November 28 2009 18:00 cunninglinguists wrote: it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
God one game does not mean Stork's PvP is slipping. Please don't try to make dumb umbrella assertions. Same with Flash. Yeah his TvP is just SO bad now, coz he lost one game to Best.
Flash said in an interview that he feels it's his weakest matchup.
just cause it's his worst matchup doesn't mean he doesn't have the best tvp in the world
On November 28 2009 18:05 OneOther wrote: i hope movie loses vs hero so stork can facefuck him in fifth set
I hope Movie beats hero (again) so hero can roll Stork in the fifth set.
I don't hate Stork but I sure love seeing him lose painfully - there hasn't been enough of that lately as all of a sudden TL has turned into a Stork lovefest.
guess not
oh well, doesn't look good for Movie to win another PvP against Stork but we shall see
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
If you micro like Movie, you lose a dragon right next to your nexus for a ling.
On November 28 2009 18:00 cunninglinguists wrote: it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
God one game does not mean Stork's PvP is slipping. Please don't try to make dumb umbrella assertions. Same with Flash. Yeah his TvP is just SO bad now, coz he lost one game to Best.
Flash said in an interview that he feels it's his weakest matchup.
On November 28 2009 18:00 cunninglinguists wrote: it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
God one game does not mean Stork's PvP is slipping. Please don't try to make dumb umbrella assertions. Same with Flash. Yeah his TvP is just SO bad now, coz he lost one game to Best.
Flash said in an interview that he feels it's his weakest matchup.
You're talking about Flash here. His weakest matchup doesn't say anything. He's undisputedly Starcraft's #1 TvZ and TvT. So worse than #1 = slipping? Flash was known for creating the anti-carrier build, not for destroying every Toss in existence. He's far from slumping in that matchup.
On November 28 2009 18:23 FireGuyX wrote: I hope Movie learns his lesson after this loss. He tried cheesing against Fantasy and Jaedong in the last MSL and that failed.
What lesson? He cheesed Jaedong and won the first game, then cheesed Fantasy and came within one dodged EMP of winning that too when Fantasy's TvP was the best in the world.
Movie can play solid and he's also a threat to cheese - it's a good combination to have.
On November 28 2009 18:00 cunninglinguists wrote: it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
God one game does not mean Stork's PvP is slipping. Please don't try to make dumb umbrella assertions. Same with Flash. Yeah his TvP is just SO bad now, coz he lost one game to Best.
Flash said in an interview that he feels it's his weakest matchup.
You're talking about Flash here. His weakest matchup doesn't say anything. He's undisputedly Starcraft's #1 TvZ and TvT. So worse than #1 = slipping? Flash was known for creating the anti-carrier build, not for destroying every Toss in existence. He's far from slumping in that matchup.
Yeah he probably has the second best TvP behind Fantasy.
On November 28 2009 18:00 cunninglinguists wrote: it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
God one game does not mean Stork's PvP is slipping. Please don't try to make dumb umbrella assertions. Same with Flash. Yeah his TvP is just SO bad now, coz he lost one game to Best.
Flash said in an interview that he feels it's his weakest matchup.
just cause it's his worst matchup doesn't mean he doesn't have the best tvp in the world
Sure, but the guy's original point was that players famous for being good in certain matchups have had their strengths and weaknesses change somewhat recently. And that has happened with Flash's TvP/TvZ.
Also, I'd say results-wise he's doing about as well as Fantasy in TvP recently. It's hard to say since he hasn't been playing many Protosses.
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
On November 28 2009 18:00 cunninglinguists wrote: it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
God one game does not mean Stork's PvP is slipping. Please don't try to make dumb umbrella assertions. Same with Flash. Yeah his TvP is just SO bad now, coz he lost one game to Best.
Flash said in an interview that he feels it's his weakest matchup.
You're talking about Flash here. His weakest matchup doesn't say anything. He's undisputedly Starcraft's #1 TvZ and TvT. So worse than #1 = slipping? Flash was known for creating the anti-carrier build, not for destroying every Toss in existence. He's far from slumping in that matchup.
Yeah he probably has the second best TvP behind Fantasy.
It's really hard to compare Flash and Fantasy (except in TvT where Flash is obviously better) because their styles are so different. Sometimes it's both how well they are playing and how the metagame is operating at the time. When Fantasy dictated the TvZ metagame he was the best TvZ player for awhile, and now Flash is just straight rolling.
When it comes to TvP, Fantasy might be more likely to beat Bisu/Jangbi/Stork/Best/Kal, but at the same time there's no way in the world Flash would ever have lost that game on Destination to Stats. You can argue that Fantasy is better because he's more likely to beat an elite P, but at the same time Flash virtually never loses to Protoss players other than the elite, whereas Fantasy might.
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
I've been 12 hatching a lot and i rarely lose to 2 gate (could be because their micro is bad)
On November 28 2009 18:23 FireGuyX wrote: I hope Movie learns his lesson after this loss. He tried cheesing against Fantasy and Jaedong in the last MSL and that failed.
What lesson? He cheesed Jaedong and won the first game, then cheesed Fantasy and came within one dodged EMP of winning that too when Fantasy's TvP was the best in the world.
Movie can play solid and he's also a threat to cheese - it's a good combination to have.
He didn't need to though because his PvZ is outstanding. The lesson is he needs needs to know when to cheese and not to cheese. Obviously he didn't want to get into a long game with Hero, even though he's capable of beating him, and you don't cheese against someone like Hero. But than again didn't Flash use to cheese a lot earlier in his career, he hardly cheeses at all.
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
9/10gate is supposed to be a counter to 12hatch, is it ? And if it was proxied, it would be even more dangerous to the zerg, I would think. If they go something like 9pool or overpool, and you proxied, you either get backstabbed, or lose your proxy.
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
9/10gate is supposed to be a counter to 12hatch, is it ? And if it was proxied, it would be even more dangerous to the zerg, I would think. If they go something like 9pool or overpool, and you proxied, you either get backstabbed, or lose your proxy.
as long as you save your hatch and drones, you will be able to outnumber the zealots heavily
On November 28 2009 18:23 FireGuyX wrote: I hope Movie learns his lesson after this loss. He tried cheesing against Fantasy and Jaedong in the last MSL and that failed.
What lesson? He cheesed Jaedong and won the first game, then cheesed Fantasy and came within one dodged EMP of winning that too when Fantasy's TvP was the best in the world.
Movie can play solid and he's also a threat to cheese - it's a good combination to have.
He didn't need to though because his PvZ is outstanding. The lesson is he needs needs to know when to cheese and not to cheese. Obviously he didn't want to get into a long game with Hero, even though he's capable of beating him. But than again didn't Flash use to cheese a lot earlier in his career?
Yeah but it's tough because he didn't even know if he was playing Canata or hero (might have guessed Canata) and it's on a brand new map AND he had to prepare PvP for Stork as well.
All 3 matchups + new maps = very hard to prepare for. I wouldn't be surprised to see Movie cheese again in the last game (and if Canata somehow miracles a win, I'd be really surprised if Movie didn't cheese)
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
9/10gate is supposed to be a counter to 12hatch, is it ? And if it was proxied, it would be even more dangerous to the zerg, I would think. If they go something like 9pool or overpool, and you proxied, you either get backstabbed, or lose your proxy.
as long as you save your hatch and drones, you will be able to outnumber the zealots heavily
"If you go 14cc vs a 9pool, as long as you save your cc and your scvs, you will be able to overpower the zerglings"
Kind of an extreme example, but it seems that way to me. Even Liquipedia lists 9/9 and 9/10gate as a counter to 12hatch 11pool.
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
9/10gate is supposed to be a counter to 12hatch, is it ? And if it was proxied, it would be even more dangerous to the zerg, I would think. If they go something like 9pool or overpool, and you proxied, you either get backstabbed, or lose your proxy.
as long as you save your hatch and drones, you will be able to outnumber the zealots heavily
"If you go 14cc vs a 9pool, as long as you save your cc and your scvs, you will be able to overpower the zerglings"
Kind of an extreme example, but it seems that way to me. Even Liquipedia lists 9/9 and 9/10gate as a counter to 12hatch 11pool.
watch all the pvzs with protosses going proxy 2 gate then, most of them fail if the zergs defend their hatchery
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
9/10gate is supposed to be a counter to 12hatch, is it ? And if it was proxied, it would be even more dangerous to the zerg, I would think. If they go something like 9pool or overpool, and you proxied, you either get backstabbed, or lose your proxy.
I think the optimal situation for Protoss is Zerg going 9 pool/overpool without fast gas. Zerg is usually fucked if that happens. With 12 hatch, you just need to be careful to not lose your lings early on then you can eventually outnumber the zealots. People commonly think proxy gates directly counters 12 hatch, but that's not the case. Against pool first builds, you usually wait for 3 zealots before going in and if they sunken up main + attempt to backstab, you can use his ramp for your advantage. You know it's coming.
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
9/10gate is supposed to be a counter to 12hatch, is it ? And if it was proxied, it would be even more dangerous to the zerg, I would think. If they go something like 9pool or overpool, and you proxied, you either get backstabbed, or lose your proxy.
as long as you save your hatch and drones, you will be able to outnumber the zealots heavily
"If you go 14cc vs a 9pool, as long as you save your cc and your scvs, you will be able to overpower the zerglings"
Kind of an extreme example, but it seems that way to me. Even Liquipedia lists 9/9 and 9/10gate as a counter to 12hatch 11pool.
...that is a horrible example btw because i am just saying that zergs have a better chance of defending vs hardcore proxy gates with 12 hatchery than a pool first build. if you go pool first, you are often forced to backstab, which is a very predictable move.
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
9/10gate is supposed to be a counter to 12hatch, is it ? And if it was proxied, it would be even more dangerous to the zerg, I would think. If they go something like 9pool or overpool, and you proxied, you either get backstabbed, or lose your proxy.
I think the optimal Zerg build for proxy gate is 9 pool/overpool without fast gas. Zerg is usually fucked if that happens. With 12 hatch, you just need to be careful to not lose your lings early on then you can eventually outnumber the zealots. People commonly think proxy gates directly counters 12 hatch, but that's not the case. Against pool first builds, you usually wait for 3 zealots before going in and if they sunken up main + attempt to backstab, you can use his ramp for your advantage.
Well lets say they went 9pool or overpool, and you proxied. They would have about 6 lings out when you have one zealot, right? Whats stopping them from just killing that lone zealot, and then the pylon?
On November 28 2009 18:00 cunninglinguists wrote: it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
God one game does not mean Stork's PvP is slipping. Please don't try to make dumb umbrella assertions. Same with Flash. Yeah his TvP is just SO bad now, coz he lost one game to Best.
Flash said in an interview that he feels it's his weakest matchup.
just cause it's his worst matchup doesn't mean he doesn't have the best tvp in the world
Sure, but the guy's original point was that players famous for being good in certain matchups have had their strengths and weaknesses change somewhat recently. And that has happened with Flash's TvP/TvZ.
Also, I'd say results-wise he's doing about as well as Fantasy in TvP recently. It's hard to say since he hasn't been playing many Protosses.
You really want me to break it down for you why that guy's post is not very smart?
First, Stork has never been known for being a PvP master. This is the guy who lost to Bisu because he forgot goon range. His best matchup has always been PvT, NOT PvP. His PvP was considered unreliable. Hence why Jangbi was used for ace matches almost universally over Stork. The reason why a lot of noobies think Stork is known for his PvP is probably because of his OSL series vs Best and Bisu. Stork went in as the underdog vs Best's invincible PvP streak and raped. Hence the hype over Stork's PvP. I remember when Stork was an underdog going in vs any other A-level toss. Kal used to mop the floor with Stork in some very odd and all over the place games. Stork has always been middling good at PvP, relying more on great large army management, stellar macro, and reaver micro (which is more a side-effect of his insane PvT).
Second, Effort's ZvZ is his LOWEST win percentage MU. Wtf is that guy talking about ZvZ is what Effort's known for? Effort raped EVERYthing that crossed his path, not just Zs. And he's such a relatively new player he shouldn't be famous for anything at this point. He doesn't even have an OSL/MSL medal.
Bisu's PvZ is no more uninspiring than Bisu's play in general. When you see Bisu dropping games to foreigners, getting eliminated from China tournies, and using proxy cheese strats every other game, that's an indication Bisu is fking about and in one of his funks. He's not doing that hot in general, not just one MU. And look at the metagame. PvZ has gone downhill for nearly all Tosses. So again, it's a stupid attempt at finding a pattern.
Hwasin's 6-4 in last 10 TvZ's. His historic percentage is 64% He wins the next game and he's right on track with how he's always been. Another stupid comment.
Fantasy is 4-6 in his last 10 TvPs. 4 of his losses are to Stork. Do I really need to explain this?
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
9/10gate is supposed to be a counter to 12hatch, is it ? And if it was proxied, it would be even more dangerous to the zerg, I would think. If they go something like 9pool or overpool, and you proxied, you either get backstabbed, or lose your proxy.
I think the optimal Zerg build for proxy gate is 9 pool/overpool without fast gas. Zerg is usually fucked if that happens. With 12 hatch, you just need to be careful to not lose your lings early on then you can eventually outnumber the zealots. People commonly think proxy gates directly counters 12 hatch, but that's not the case. Against pool first builds, you usually wait for 3 zealots before going in and if they sunken up main + attempt to backstab, you can use his ramp for your advantage.
Well lets say they went 9pool or overpool, and you proxied. They would have about 6 lings out when you have one zealot, right? Whats stopping them from just killing that lone zealot, and then the pylon?
the 2 zlots that would spawn before you got anything done? do some delay with the 1 zlot and just wait for the other 2
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
9/10gate is supposed to be a counter to 12hatch, is it ? And if it was proxied, it would be even more dangerous to the zerg, I would think. If they go something like 9pool or overpool, and you proxied, you either get backstabbed, or lose your proxy.
I think the optimal Zerg build for proxy gate is 9 pool/overpool without fast gas. Zerg is usually fucked if that happens. With 12 hatch, you just need to be careful to not lose your lings early on then you can eventually outnumber the zealots. People commonly think proxy gates directly counters 12 hatch, but that's not the case. Against pool first builds, you usually wait for 3 zealots before going in and if they sunken up main + attempt to backstab, you can use his ramp for your advantage.
Well lets say they went 9pool or overpool, and you proxied. They would have about 6 lings out when you have one zealot, right? Whats stopping them from just killing that lone zealot, and then the pylon?
You will have the second/third zealot out by the time six lings arrive. If your proxy is very close, you buy time with your zealot and probe (dancing them around near his base but not losing them, obviously). Fast lings killing your proxy is never a problem lol
On November 28 2009 18:23 Sentenal wrote: How do you lose a proxy 2gate vs 12hatch? I swear, my head will explode if more things like this keep happening tonight.
i actually think 12 hatch is better vs proxy 2 gate than 9 pool/overpool builds. you are constantly pumping out of two hatcheries rather than one. from my experience i win with proxy gates more often when z goes pool first build
9/10gate is supposed to be a counter to 12hatch, is it ? And if it was proxied, it would be even more dangerous to the zerg, I would think. If they go something like 9pool or overpool, and you proxied, you either get backstabbed, or lose your proxy.
I think the optimal Zerg build for proxy gate is 9 pool/overpool without fast gas. Zerg is usually fucked if that happens. With 12 hatch, you just need to be careful to not lose your lings early on then you can eventually outnumber the zealots. People commonly think proxy gates directly counters 12 hatch, but that's not the case. Against pool first builds, you usually wait for 3 zealots before going in and if they sunken up main + attempt to backstab, you can use his ramp for your advantage.
Well lets say they went 9pool or overpool, and you proxied. They would have about 6 lings out when you have one zealot, right? Whats stopping them from just killing that lone zealot, and then the pylon?
protoss saves that zealot and waits for 2 more while defending the pylon and attacking when there's 3 or more zealots
the protoss player shouldn't be dumb enough to just feed the zerg player their first zealot
On November 28 2009 18:00 cunninglinguists wrote: it seems that the dominance that everyone was known for is fading:
stork's slipping up in his pvp jaedong's slipping up in his zvz effort's slipping up in his zvz bisu's slipping up in his pvz (in comparison to his previous dominance) hwasin's slipping up in his tvz fantasy is slipping up in his tvp flash is slipping up in his tvp
God one game does not mean Stork's PvP is slipping. Please don't try to make dumb umbrella assertions. Same with Flash. Yeah his TvP is just SO bad now, coz he lost one game to Best.
Flash said in an interview that he feels it's his weakest matchup.
just cause it's his worst matchup doesn't mean he doesn't have the best tvp in the world
Sure, but the guy's original point was that players famous for being good in certain matchups have had their strengths and weaknesses change somewhat recently. And that has happened with Flash's TvP/TvZ.
Also, I'd say results-wise he's doing about as well as Fantasy in TvP recently. It's hard to say since he hasn't been playing many Protosses.
You really want me to break it down for you why that guy's post is not very smart?
First, Stork has never been known for being a PvP master. This is the guy who lost to Bisu because he forgot goon range. His best matchup has always been PvT, NOT PvP. His PvP was considered unreliable. Hence why Jangbi was used for ace matches almost universally over Stork. The reason why a lot of noobies think Stork is known for his PvP is probably because of his OSL series vs Best and Bisu. Stork went in as the underdog vs Best's invincible PvP streak and raped. Hence the hype over Stork's PvP. I remember when Stork was an underdog going in vs any other A-level toss. Kal used to mop the floor with Stork in some very odd and all over the place games. Stork has always been middling good at PvP, relying more on great large army management, stellar macro, and reaver micro (which is more a side-effect of his insane PvT).
Second, Effort's ZvZ is his LOWEST win percentage MU. Wtf is that guy talking about ZvZ is what Effort's known for? Effort raped EVERYthing that crossed his path, not just Zs. And he's such a relatively new player he shouldn't be famous for anything at this point. He doesn't even have an OSL/MSL medal.
Bisu's PvZ is no more uninspiring than Bisu's play in general. When you see Bisu dropping games to foreigners, getting eliminated from China tournies, and using proxy cheese strats every other game, that's an indication Bisu is fking about and in one of his funks. He's not doing that hot in general, not just one MU. And look at the metagame. PvZ has gone downhill for nearly all Tosses. So again, it's a stupid attempt at finding a pattern.
Hwasin's 6-4 in last 10 TvZ's. His historic percentage is 64% He wins the next game and he's right on track with how he's always been. Another stupid comment.
Fantasy is 4-6 in his last 10 TvPs. 4 of his losses are to Stork. Do I really need to explain this?
Half of what you wrote there is debatable, but that's not the point.
Look, I didn't mean that I agreed with what he said. I was responding to your comment, which I felt was incorrect.
Specifically, you made some sarcastic remark to the effect of denying that Flash's TvP is worse now relative to what it was. That's what I was disagreeing with.
Despite hating all tosses, I really really want stork to win, because Canata just isn't starleague material. He'll just fail hard inDespite hating all tosses, I really really want Stork to win, because Canata Just isn't starleague material. He'll Just fail hard in the next round, while Stork has potential to go to the finals.
On November 28 2009 18:56 KizZBG wrote: Man I hate Canata and his shitty upsets. He's gonna get crushed in the next game.
Does that make Movie a better player than Stork?
Not necessarily. Canata just tends to somehow take out good players in the early stages of a league then get raped like a newbie by the next guy he plays.
THE HELL! Stork needed just a few templars to clean up that goliath force with psi-storms. . . This is too much to take in one day. If Canata beats movie . . . No, thats not happening. Time to regroup and own some Terran!
Funny though... went to sleep expecting stork 2-0 ez but then when i woke up i suddenly felt demoralised and knew he had lost to someone or got knocked out.
Same thing happened when khan had a decisive lead over cj in that proleuage thingy and i went to sleep comfortable in that if FBH didnt seal the deal over iris someone else would.
On November 28 2009 18:56 KizZBG wrote: Man I hate Canata and his shitty upsets. He's gonna get crushed in the next game.
Does that make Movie a better player than Stork?
Not necessarily. He just tends to somehow take out good players in the early stages of a league then get raped like a newbie by the next guy he plays.
When has Movie gotten raped? Hasn't he only made one league before now (last MSL) where he balls to the wall almost made it out of a group with Jaedong Fantasy and Leta (played REALLY well in all three games going 1-2).
He lost to hero here but he also beat Light and hero in OSL qualifiers and is 1-0 there too now.
Of course everything I say is void if Movie loses this next game....
On November 28 2009 18:59 raga4ka wrote: Stork played bad , i doubt map had something to do with this . Bad preparation from Stork there , he looked clueless .
it seemed as though Stork really lacked practice on the map, he had no idea how to react to Canata's drop at his nat
On November 28 2009 18:56 KizZBG wrote: Man I hate Canata and his shitty upsets. He's gonna get crushed in the next game.
Does that make Movie a better player than Stork?
Not necessarily. He just tends to somehow take out good players in the early stages of a league then get raped like a newbie by the next guy he plays.
When has Movie gotten raped? Hasn't he only made one league before now (last MSL) where he balls to the wall almost made it out of a group with Jaedong Fantasy and Leta (played REALLY well in all three games going 1-2).
He lost to hero here but he also beat Light and hero in OSL qualifiers and is 1-0 there too now.
Of course everything I say is void if Movie loses this next game....
On November 28 2009 18:59 raga4ka wrote: Stork played bad , i doubt map had something to do with this . Bad preparation from Stork there , he looked clueless .
This.
That decision to expand at 2 o'clock while giving up the middle AND going mass carriers while having zero economic advantage, doing zero harass to Canata's eco, losing a lot of goons to protect his nat, and losing a ton of goons to vults while roaming mid was just very very bad.
On November 28 2009 18:59 raga4ka wrote: Stork played bad , i doubt map had something to do with this . Bad preparation from Stork there , he looked clueless .
it seemed as though Stork really lacked practice on the map, he had no idea how to react to Canata's drop at his nat
He said this in OSL interviews yesterday, his focus was on OSL. He also said he's worried about today's game on the new map.
On November 28 2009 18:56 KizZBG wrote: Man I hate Canata and his shitty upsets. He's gonna get crushed in the next game.
Does that make Movie a better player than Stork?
Not necessarily. He just tends to somehow take out good players in the early stages of a league then get raped like a newbie by the next guy he plays.
When has Movie gotten raped? Hasn't he only made one league before now (last MSL) where he balls to the wall almost made it out of a group with Jaedong Fantasy and Leta (played REALLY well in all three games going 1-2).
He lost to hero here but he also beat Light and hero in OSL qualifiers and is 1-0 there too now.
Of course everything I say is void if Movie loses this next game....
On November 28 2009 19:09 GeLaar wrote: Is Canata praying? I wonder if he's a religious guy...
if im not mistaken, christianity is growing big in korea
hwasin and bisu wear a lot of cross earrings/necklaces. stork too i believe
flash is a buddhist
Wow, really didn't know that about Flash. But I wouldn't read much into those guys wearing crosses.
On November 28 2009 19:11 ItchReliever wrote: Christianity is already very big in korea
Most statistics I've seen showed something like 26%. I don't really think that it's already big, though. This is just anecdotal evidence, but there are virtually no Christians among the people I know here, and a lot of them hate the exclusive attitude Korean Christians have. And Christianity here really is very different from what you can find in Europe...
On November 28 2009 19:08 IntoTheWow wrote: Anyone else notice Stork is wearing a glove in his right hand?
Looks like a Steelseries one.
Damn Emlary, you are fast.
It´s not a glove, it´s a splint to protect the carpal tunnel.
"Many health professionals suggest that, for best results, one should wear braces at night and, if possible, during the activity primarily causing stress on the wrists." - wiki
On November 28 2009 19:08 IntoTheWow wrote: Anyone else notice Stork is wearing a glove in his right hand?
Looks like a Steelseries one.
Damn Emlary, you are fast.
It´s not a glove, it´s a splint to protect the carpal tunnel.
"Many health professionals suggest that, for best results, one should wear braces at night and, if possible, during the activity primarily causing stress on the wrists." - wiki
no, it's a glove produced by steelseries to
- Supports the wrist, helps prevent repetitive strain injuries
- Eliminates friction between the palm and the mousepad
On November 28 2009 19:11 ItchReliever wrote: Christianity is already very big in korea
Most statistics I've seen showed something like 26%. I don't really think that it's already big, though. This is just anecdotal evidence, but there are virtually no Christians among the people I know here, and a lot of them hate the exclusive attitude Korean Christians have. And Christianity here really is very different from what you can find in Europe...
26% is pretty big, i doubt Buddhism is much bigger + korea has one of the biggest churches + provides a lot of missionaries
On November 28 2009 19:08 IntoTheWow wrote: Anyone else notice Stork is wearing a glove in his right hand?
Looks like a Steelseries one.
Damn Emlary, you are fast.
It´s not a glove, it´s a splint to protect the carpal tunnel.
"Many health professionals suggest that, for best results, one should wear braces at night and, if possible, during the activity primarily causing stress on the wrists." - wiki
wow how retarded can you be recalling while ALL terran forces are at his base .... i dont get how all mediocre progamers are doing this mistake every tme and lose because of this
On November 28 2009 19:09 GeLaar wrote: Is Canata praying? I wonder if he's a religious guy...
if im not mistaken, christianity is growing big in korea
hwasin and bisu wear a lot of cross earrings/necklaces. stork too i believe
flash is a buddhist
Wow, really didn't know that about Flash. But I wouldn't read much into those guys wearing crosses.
On November 28 2009 19:11 ItchReliever wrote: Christianity is already very big in korea
Most statistics I've seen showed something like 26%. I don't really think that it's already big, though. This is just anecdotal evidence, but there are virtually no Christians among the people I know here, and a lot of them hate the exclusive attitude Korean Christians have. And Christianity here really is very different from what you can find in Europe...
26% is pretty big, i doubt Buddhism is much bigger + korea has one of the biggest churches + provides a lot of missionaries
From what I can tell (I'm not Korean, just lived here for a year), Christianity is the most "active" religion in Korea, but most of the tradition/customs/culture/holiday observances are still Buddhist or even the (native) animist. And all that said, the overriding culture among the younger generations at least is agnostic/non-religious but somewhat traditionalist all the same. It's kind of odd from this American's perspective.
On November 28 2009 19:29 writer22816 wrote: Movie's PvT is very overhyped, everyone goes on and on about how he beat Leta but they forget that Leta isn't exactly great at TvP either........
On November 28 2009 19:29 writer22816 wrote: Movie's PvT is very overhyped, everyone goes on and on about how he beat Leta but they forget that Leta isn't exactly great at TvP either........
no they don't
Yes they do, I've seen it before and it gets annoying at times.
On November 28 2009 19:29 writer22816 wrote: Movie's PvT is very overhyped, everyone goes on and on about how he beat Leta but they forget that Leta isn't exactly great at TvP either........
no they don't
Yes they do, I've seen it before and it gets annoying at times.
Bisu and stork are the best. All the new protoss are overhyped.
On November 28 2009 19:29 writer22816 wrote: Movie's PvT is very overhyped, everyone goes on and on about how he beat Leta but they forget that Leta isn't exactly great at TvP either........
no they don't
Yes they do, I've seen it before and it gets annoying at times.
They don't hype his PvT because of fucking leta, that game is symbolic because of Letas clutchness in ace matches + being a solid TvP'er. His PvT has shown signs of brilliance, but like in this game, signs of huge failure. People hype him and hope the brilliance outshines. Right now it isn't but he is damn sure giving a fight.
Canata played extremely solid TvP here and Movie has only himself to blame for all those totally random recalls BEFORE Canata was moving out wtf? And yet it still was somewhat close due to cross positions/stretched out expos + arbiter heavy PvT being really really strong.
Yup, all those people mad at Canata - what do you want him to do, leave his bases undefended for a more 'exciting' game, so he can get raped by all those recalls he defended successfully in this game? He's doing what he needs to win when protoss can teleport at will.
Why was Movie constantly using statis? He should of just simply went head to head against Canata's units because his micro was better and why didn't movie scout the spider mines? Poor scouting and poor judgment by Movie.
I was hoping for Stork/Canata... well I guess Canata advancing is good but him taking out Stork in the process is not. Damn. Also: Stork, don't screw up PvP next time kthx.
On November 28 2009 19:41 FireGuyX wrote: Why was Movie constantly using statis? He should of just simply went head to head against Canata's units because his micro was better and why didn't movie scout the spider mines? Poor scouting and poor judgment by Movie.
On November 28 2009 19:41 Black Gun wrote: well, movie played like shit, so he didnt deserve to make it out of the group. but stork... why, WHYYYYYHYYYHYYY?
I want to say "Well, on the bright side, Best is going to skull fuck Canata", but then I remembered that I was thinking the exact same thing about Stork and Movie vs him too.
On November 28 2009 19:40 GeLaar wrote: Lol, Roffles broadcasting "FU Canata"...
Glad he advanced. Movie would've been nice too, but I wanna see Canata do well in an individual league for once.
he'll play Best next
Well thank you very much, sir, for ruining this for me! I hope you're happy... ㅋㅋ
In that case I'll be rooting against him, but I won't be terribly sad if he advances. Also, I think Best is gonna tear Canata apart, while his chances wouldn't be as good if he had faced Movie or Stork instead. So this is a good thing after all.
I thought Movie's stasis use was pretty good, early on he killed a lot of stuff, but later he didn't have enough units, even Canata's reinforcements would push him back despite him stasis'ing dozens of tanks and vults.
On November 28 2009 19:43 Sentenal wrote: I want to say "Well, on the bright side, Best is going to skull fuck Canata", but then I remembered that I was thinking the exact same thing about Stork and Movie vs him too.
Best will actually be prepared for Canata . While Stork and Movie were like " what to do now .... Do i go carrier and waste my ground army or do i try to suicide my army with recalls .
On November 28 2009 19:44 Zona wrote: I thought Movie's stasis use was pretty good, early on he killed a lot of stuff, but on he didn't have enough units, even Canata's reinforcements would push him back despite him stasis'ing dozens of tanks and vults.
He should of went head to head, with the arbiters doing nothing other than cloaking his units. That should of been Movie's strategy from the get go and where were the high templars?
Movie is going to have to improve his PvP and PvT if he wants to be an S-Class protoss like Bisu, Stork, and Best.
On November 28 2009 19:40 GeLaar wrote: Lol, Roffles broadcasting "FU Canata"...
Glad he advanced. Movie would've been nice too, but I wanna see Canata do well in an individual league for once.
he'll play Best next
Well thank you very much, sir, for ruining this for me! I hope you're happy... ㅋㅋ
In that case I'll be rooting against him, but I won't be terribly sad if he advances. Also, I think Best is gonna tear Canata apart, while his chances wouldn't be as good if he had faced Movie or Stork instead. So this is a good thing after all.
Lets hope BeSt can win, but you never know when both players are from the same team. Canata may understand BeSt's pvt better than anyone else. You never know.
On November 28 2009 19:40 GeLaar wrote: Lol, Roffles broadcasting "FU Canata"...
Glad he advanced. Movie would've been nice too, but I wanna see Canata do well in an individual league for once.
he'll play Best next
Well thank you very much, sir, for ruining this for me! I hope you're happy... ㅋㅋ
In that case I'll be rooting against him, but I won't be terribly sad if he advances. Also, I think Best is gonna tear Canata apart, while his chances wouldn't be as good if he had faced Movie or Stork instead. So this is a good thing after all.
Lets hope BeSt can win, but you never know when both players are from the same team. Canata may understand BeSt's pvt better than anyone else. You never know.
Nice screencap, there, MamiyaOtaru. Too bad (or good thing) Movie had very few units despite the gosu stasis after all those failed recalls, followed by Canata leveling a bunch of his bases.
On November 28 2009 19:40 GeLaar wrote: Lol, Roffles broadcasting "FU Canata"...
Glad he advanced. Movie would've been nice too, but I wanna see Canata do well in an individual league for once.
he'll play Best next
Well thank you very much, sir, for ruining this for me! I hope you're happy... ㅋㅋ
In that case I'll be rooting against him, but I won't be terribly sad if he advances. Also, I think Best is gonna tear Canata apart, while his chances wouldn't be as good if he had faced Movie or Stork instead. So this is a good thing after all.
Lets hope BeSt can win, but you never know when both players are from the same team. Canata may understand BeSt's pvt better than anyone else. You never know.
Sure, could be. But Best still seems likely to win, judging by his recent vsT... And like I said, I'd rather he face Canata instead of Stork.
On November 28 2009 19:43 Sentenal wrote: I want to say "Well, on the bright side, Best is going to skull fuck Canata", but then I remembered that I was thinking the exact same thing about Stork and Movie vs him too.
Best will actually be prepared for Canata . While Stork and Movie were like " what to do now .... Do i go carrier and waste my ground army or do i try to suicide my army with recalls .
Intra-team battles are always kinda unpredictable.
On November 28 2009 19:52 Zona wrote: Lol, someone's unhappy about the outcome.
Nice screencap, there, MamiyaOtaru. Too bad (or good thing) Movie had very few units despite the gosu stasis after all those failed recalls, followed by Canata leveling a bunch of his bases.
I'm definitley not a fan of Canata or Hero, but as the saying goes "a win is never given".
On November 28 2009 20:46 Zato-1 wrote: Oh man, this group was made all the more entertaining by all the Canata-haters in this thread. Fuck yeah, Canata!
Okay someone explain this to me. When I left the house, Stork was lightyears ahead vs Movie then I come to see Movie beating Stork and Stork failing 0-2. lol I suppose, he can focus on OSL and hopefully make the Ro8.
Fuck Canata for qualifying, most boring player ever with mediocre mechanics and a boring style
I know you're all angry and dissapointed that Stork got knocked out by Canata, but please don't say Canata is bad. He's a bit boring to watch, but he's got his moments. Anyone remember his bo5 vs Jaedong in Avalon ? God damn, I almost though he's going to take the series.
I actually like Canata, when he got good last season he actually started using a more aggressive/tricky style like Fantasy, so I dont know why everyone is criticizing his boring style. :S
On November 29 2009 02:54 yhnmk wrote: I actually like Canata, when he got good last season he actually started using a more aggressive/tricky style like Fantasy, so I dont know why everyone is criticizing his boring style. :S
I actually like Canata, when he got good last season he actually started using a more aggressive/tricky style like Fantasy, so I dont know why everyone is criticizing his boring style. :S
On November 29 2009 03:16 TwoToneTerran wrote: So a MSL with lots of potential ends up with a bunch of interesting players and big names dropping out in group stages?
On November 29 2009 02:52 FirstBorn wrote: I know you're all angry and dissapointed that Stork got knocked out by Canata, but please don't say Canata is bad. He's a bit boring to watch, but he's got his moments. Anyone remember his bo5 vs Jaedong in Avalon ? God damn, I almost though he's going to take the series.
On November 29 2009 02:52 FirstBorn wrote: I know you're all angry and dissapointed that Stork got knocked out by Canata, but please don't say Canata is bad. He's a bit boring to watch, but he's got his moments. Anyone remember his bo5 vs Jaedong in Avalon ? God damn, I almost though he's going to take the series.
Canata is just awesome. Period.
No he really isn't.
He's boring and predictable honestly.
ppl dont like flash for the same reason, you know. At least he is way better than Canata, but still its totally out of my mind what ppl find in this kid. Playing Monopoly for 9 hours is more thrilling for me than watching Flash play, no matter if he wins or loses
On November 29 2009 02:52 FirstBorn wrote: I know you're all angry and dissapointed that Stork got knocked out by Canata, but please don't say Canata is bad. He's a bit boring to watch, but he's got his moments. Anyone remember his bo5 vs Jaedong in Avalon ? God damn, I almost though he's going to take the series.
Canata is just awesome. Period.
No he really isn't.
He's boring and predictable honestly.
ppl dont like flash for the same reason, you know. At least he is way better than Canata, but still its totally out of my mind what ppl find in this kid. Playing Monopoly for 9 hours is more thrilling for me than watching Flash play, no matter if he wins or loses
Maybe that was true before, but his midgame TvZ play recently has just been art.
On November 29 2009 02:52 FirstBorn wrote: I know you're all angry and dissapointed that Stork got knocked out by Canata, but please don't say Canata is bad. He's a bit boring to watch, but he's got his moments. Anyone remember his bo5 vs Jaedong in Avalon ? God damn, I almost though he's going to take the series.
Canata is just awesome. Period.
No he really isn't.
He's boring and predictable honestly.
ppl dont like flash for the same reason, you know. At least he is way better than Canata, but still its totally out of my mind what ppl find in this kid. Playing Monopoly for 9 hours is more thrilling for me than watching Flash play, no matter if he wins or loses
Flash has the most exciting TvTs of anyone since Boxer and Oov way back when. His TvZ has become impeccable and awesome to watch.
He's only had one TvP in awhile which was pretty exciting but kind of a letdown.
Pff as good as oov's tvt was, its wrong to call it "exciting". Casy on the other hand - thats exciting TvT. Dont try to find the reason, its pretty obvious - Flash is amazingly talented, but most importantly, he is a winner. Everybody love the winners.
On November 29 2009 02:52 FirstBorn wrote: I know you're all angry and dissapointed that Stork got knocked out by Canata, but please don't say Canata is bad. He's a bit boring to watch, but he's got his moments. Anyone remember his bo5 vs Jaedong in Avalon ? God damn, I almost though he's going to take the series.
On November 29 2009 06:57 disciple wrote: Pff as good as oov's tvt was, its wrong to call it "exciting". Casy on the other hand - thats exciting TvT. Dont try to find the reason, its pretty obvious - Flash is amazingly talented, but most importantly, he is a winner. Everybody love the winners.
When I said oov and boxer I meant their finals specifically. Best series and TvTs ever.
Also Oov was rocking mass wraiths like a champ a long time ago, too. A lot of his games were just macro stomps but it's hard to deny that he had some of that boxer flair.
I love how everyone gets mad at Canata, when it was Stork and Movie who got themselves eliminated, more than anything else. Stork frankly did not play up to par that game, and had some pretty cringeworthy moments (e.g. trading 8 dragoons for 1 tank), and Movie v Canata was pretty much just an awful game in general.
You can't not give credit to Canata for winning, and at the same time blame him for eliminating Stork and Movie. Either Canata played well, and he deserves to be lauded for playing good Starcraft; or Stork and Movie played terribly, and you can't push the blame onto Canata for eliminating them.
It's not a complete coincidence that the two guys who played OSL games the night before got eliminated here.
It's also not a complete coincidence that the two guys who had to prepare for all three matchups on three maps (two of which were brand new) got eliminated here.
Obviously Stork and Movie could have played better but Canata's preparation for the TvP on Ultimatum (the ONLY matchup he had to prepare for as he was guaranteed to face a P) was evident. Movie seemed to run out of gas with a cheese in game 3 and extremely standard cheese (DT drop) in game 5.
This is a really tough format - it's unfortunate but it happened.
On November 29 2009 02:52 FirstBorn wrote: I know you're all angry and dissapointed that Stork got knocked out by Canata, but please don't say Canata is bad. He's a bit boring to watch, but he's got his moments. Anyone remember his bo5 vs Jaedong in Avalon ? God damn, I almost though he's going to take the series.
Canata is just awesome. Period.
No he really isn't.
He's boring and predictable honestly.
ppl dont like flash for the same reason, you know. At least he is way better than Canata, but still its totally out of my mind what ppl find in this kid. Playing Monopoly for 9 hours is more thrilling for me than watching Flash play, no matter if he wins or loses
How are people still saying things like this? Have you watched Flash's TvZ and TvT this season?
On November 28 2009 20:46 Zato-1 wrote: Oh man, this group was made all the more entertaining by all the Canata-haters in this thread. Fuck yeah, Canata!
On November 29 2009 02:52 FirstBorn wrote: I know you're all angry and dissapointed that Stork got knocked out by Canata, but please don't say Canata is bad. He's a bit boring to watch, but he's got his moments. Anyone remember his bo5 vs Jaedong in Avalon ? God damn, I almost though he's going to take the series.
Canata is just awesome. Period.
No he really isn't.
He's boring and predictable honestly.
ppl dont like flash for the same reason, you know. At least he is way better than Canata, but still its totally out of my mind what ppl find in this kid. Playing Monopoly for 9 hours is more thrilling for me than watching Flash play, no matter if he wins or loses
How are people still saying things like this? Have you watched Flash's TvZ and TvT this season?
Maybe its personal ? We can all recognize the good porn when we see it, but its a matter of taste, when it comes to what turns you on ,right ?
we need more "Fuck Yeah, Canata!! comittee members in here to balance all this hating :-)
game vs Stork: such a solid anti-carrier positioning, cars didn't accomplish anything that game because of it. This and screens of depressed Stork = recommended game
game vs Movie: Canata's genius overshadowed by recall blunders by this foolish protoss. Moments: statises at 25:45, protoss gging at 27:03 (Jon747's upload)
On November 29 2009 02:52 FirstBorn wrote: I know you're all angry and dissapointed that Stork got knocked out by Canata, but please don't say Canata is bad. He's a bit boring to watch, but he's got his moments. Anyone remember his bo5 vs Jaedong in Avalon ? God damn, I almost though he's going to take the series.
Canata is just awesome. Period.
No he really isn't.
He's boring and predictable honestly.
ppl dont like flash for the same reason, you know. At least he is way better than Canata, but still its totally out of my mind what ppl find in this kid. Playing Monopoly for 9 hours is more thrilling for me than watching Flash play, no matter if he wins or loses
How are people still saying things like this? Have you watched Flash's TvZ and TvT this season?
I'd say there's still the perception that Flash=turtle in base until 3/3 200 supply army and win. There are plenty of exceptions, but i assume he's generalizing.
aaaaaaaaaaargh I just got the results of this fuuuuuck. a group with MOVIE and STORK and freaking Canata and Hero advance?? nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
On December 01 2009 08:01 Apex wrote: Stork, once again you somehow manage to fail in an OSL group that seemed like a guaranteed lock for you to pass. :<
On December 01 2009 08:01 Apex wrote: Stork, once again you somehow manage to fail in an OSL group that seemed like a guaranteed lock for you to pass. :<
Movie didn't pass either.
A bleak day for Protoss.
MSL dude
but its okay. its fall we all know Stork will win the OSL and Bisu the MSL
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