Ofc Testie needs to practice because talent only is not enough. Thing is he had the game sense the real one. He have won tons of things / he was a top 2v2 player / he had a progamer pvt and at one point was like the best foreigner with all three races. If you tell me that anyone can achieve that by just practicing you should get a knife and crack your fucking skull.

Nowadays you can achieve things by practicing a lot without having the natural talent too but that will lead you to a certain point. Champions aren't made in the gyms you know. Idra is better than 99% of foreigners as long as he plays twice the time they do.

I can explain it in progaming terms too.How many of those hundreds of players who practice all day will achieve anything really meaningful in the end of their careers? Only those who have the spark like Boxer OOV & JD.

Bifur

Russian Federation1208 Posts

November 12 2009 15:28 GMT

#1382

On November 13 2009 00:02 nayumi wrote:

Show nested quote +

I think you're mixing between "charm" and "talent".

Saying Canata is not talented is kinda absurd. Being talented does not necessary mean you have to be the best. If Canata did not have talent, he wouldn't have been picked by SKT in the first place, because there are a butt load of Koreans who are capable of "practicing hard" out there. There are levels to talent as well. That's why there are players who are better than others, but that does not mean the worse ones do not have any talent at all.

Talent doesn't exist at all. It's a bullshit. This is just a word which means nothing and this word is used by people when they can't explain why someone is more successful than others. They can't comprehend it and just use this meaningless word 'talent'.

.risingdragoon

United States3021 Posts

November 12 2009 15:38 GMT

#1383

There is some talent involved. But when you're talking about the difference between someone good and someone who wins, it gets nebulous.

To me the big difference b/w players is personality, focus, and luck. Basically a ton of stuff you can work on as opposed to some natural talent that you either have or don't have.

MMAspec

20 Posts

November 12 2009 15:56 GMT

#1384

--- Nuked ---

AM.23)Jehuty

United States69 Posts

November 12 2009 15:57 GMT

#1385

WOW!! all i got to say is Louder got raped by jadeong... i mean i knew Jae was gonna win but seriuosly...... Louder was no competition... wtf you gonna do with all them zealots??/

kroko

Finland2136 Posts

November 12 2009 16:01 GMT

#1386

To be progamer u need to play shitloads.... and have same amount or more talent also...

cokencheese

Philippines748 Posts

November 12 2009 16:30 GMT

#1387

Practice without talent = low skill ceiling.
Talent without practice = underutilized capacity.

You need a measure of both to reach the level of a top-tier progamer.

Kyuki

Sweden1867 Posts

November 12 2009 16:54 GMT

#1388

On November 13 2009 00:56 MMAspec wrote:

Show nested quote +

Haha, epic! :D

closed

Vatican City State491 Posts

November 12 2009 16:57 GMT

#1389

Whoa, looked through the thread and 3 things came to my mind:
1) go Kohl!
2) can we get the replays somewhere?
3) the recap by tree.hugger was great, what a pity there is no such thread with only recaps

closed

Vatican City State491 Posts

November 12 2009 16:58 GMT

#1390

On November 12 2009 14:35 tree.hugger wrote:
Recap:
RoX.KIS.Fenix <Destination>
S.C.Toodming
Fenix goes mech, and spots a terrible sunken placement at Toodming's natural which allows his vulture to sit on the ramp and fire at Toodming's buildings. When Toodming brings his drones over, Fenix runs his vulture happily past and harrasses Toodming's ramp-blocking drones, killing a bunch. Toodming has mutas out that are easily repelled by goliaths from Fenix, yet the goliaths move out and the mutas run back into the base, killing a few stray goliaths, a few turrets, and some scvs. Both players then begin to macro, but Fenix stays even on expansions with the zerg. He drops Toodming's main, and kills drones, while Toodming kills Fenix's third, but at the cost of his hydra force. Fenix continues the harass, further reducing Toodming's drone count, while Tooddming kills Fenix's back mineral only. Fenix now has a huge army however, and his third is back up. He rolls across the map, and Toodming cannot put an army together to oppose it. He destroys Toodming's third easily, and Toodming gg's soon after.

Result:

RoX.KIS.Fenix >

S.C.Toodming

this receap requires more love! thanks

Athos

United States2484 Posts

November 12 2009 16:58 GMT

#1391

On November 13 2009 00:57 AM.23)Jehuty wrote:
WOW!! all i got to say is Louder got raped by jadeong... i mean i knew Jae was gonna win but seriuosly...... Louder was no competition... wtf you gonna do with all them zealots??/

To be fair Draco also got completely raped by ~~god~~Jaedong.

Captain Peabody

United States3128 Posts

November 12 2009 17:04 GMT

#1392

Does anyone know where I can find Tasteless/Artosis-commented vods of the games? Jon747 seems to have the games with Korean commentary...

Masheyoon

United States781 Posts

November 12 2009 17:09 GMT

#1393

The one time ALL of WCGs SC games are not only being shown, but STREAMED, is the one time I can't be around to see them.

Will have to wait for the VODs.

Well, hope Bisu doesn't upset......again. >_>

Mykill

Canada3402 Posts

November 12 2009 17:29 GMT

#1394

STORK FTW!!

TheDoctor

66 Posts

November 12 2009 17:30 GMT

#1395

On November 13 2009 02:04 Captain Peabody wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find Tasteless/Artosis-commented vods of the games? Jon747 seems to have the games with Korean commentary...

wcg channel on youtube has it

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21244 Posts

November 12 2009 17:45 GMT

#1396

Aww, Fengzi and Toodming both out

Gogo Pj :O

If only F91 got here >_>

Baddieko

Singapore855 Posts

November 12 2009 17:47 GMT

#1397

I think semi final will be the 4 progamer lol.

NarutO

Germany18839 Posts

November 12 2009 17:57 GMT

#1398

#1 GOLD KOREA
#2 SILVER KOREA
#3 BRONZE KOREA

GOGO!!^^ I hope Bisu wants revenge for his IEF performance, totally shitting all over everyone tomorrow! Also HORROR, IDRA FIGHTING! (Sorry White-rA I love you, but I want Terrans / my teammate to advance !!)

Bisu + PARANOID GOGO!! Or Pj!! GOGO