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Acutally if anything at all it would be a reasonable claim to make that kolll is the most gifted german player ever
I doubt someone did qualify for the Grand Final for the first time and made the group stage in the without a big doubt hardest of all groups..
So if u ask me..
Idra & ret are similiar in terms of talent but kolll is something special. He is so new to the game compared to ret and Idra..
but what ever.. this is a wcg thread..
+ I dont understand why so many say ret would be sooo talented
he is amazing but do u guys know how long he´s around and how much he played ect..
not taking anything away from him.. he's awesome..
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On November 12 2009 21:50 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 20:54 Crucifix wrote:
IMO Kolll is like IdrA, they both play much and have good mechanics but they do not have the talent to play, unlike ret. Idra doesn't have talent? Lol. He's a pretty damn smart player.
but not smart enough to ggs?
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
On November 12 2009 21:16 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 20:54 Crucifix wrote:
IMO Kolll is like IdrA, they both play much and have good mechanics but they do not have the talent to play, unlike ret. imo your hatred towards greg makes you look like a idiot on this forums who on earth gave you the right to tell us who does and who doesn't have "SC talent" I have read many stupid posts lately, but gotta admit that yours is the worst
Are u retarded or what? That's my opinion and I have rights to post them on a public forum related to WCG / BW players. If You can't stand it, eat this and stay quiet.
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On November 12 2009 22:00 iG.SwOrD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 21:50 Holgerius wrote:On November 12 2009 20:54 Crucifix wrote:
IMO Kolll is like IdrA, they both play much and have good mechanics but they do not have the talent to play, unlike ret. Idra doesn't have talent? Lol. He's a pretty damn smart player. but not smart enough to ggs?
What does his occasional BM has to do with him being talented or not?
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On November 12 2009 22:02 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 22:00 iG.SwOrD wrote:On November 12 2009 21:50 Holgerius wrote:On November 12 2009 20:54 Crucifix wrote:
IMO Kolll is like IdrA, they both play much and have good mechanics but they do not have the talent to play, unlike ret. Idra doesn't have talent? Lol. He's a pretty damn smart player. but not smart enough to ggs? What does his occasional BM has to do with him being talented or not?
you see talent and i see somebody who plays much more than others. how exactly do you judge talent? he is a smart player because he have learned the basics of starcraft and he is training same biulds over and over again every day? he is a smart player but he cant show a proper attitude towards hes opponents? when he wins he is the king but when he lose and acts like a piece of shit nobody should care because he have some skill right?
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That's not the point. It's okay to not care if he has skill, but he does have skill.
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On November 12 2009 22:14 iG.SwOrD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 22:02 Holgerius wrote:On November 12 2009 22:00 iG.SwOrD wrote:On November 12 2009 21:50 Holgerius wrote:On November 12 2009 20:54 Crucifix wrote:
IMO Kolll is like IdrA, they both play much and have good mechanics but they do not have the talent to play, unlike ret. Idra doesn't have talent? Lol. He's a pretty damn smart player. but not smart enough to ggs? What does his occasional BM has to do with him being talented or not? you see talent and i see somebody who plays much more than others. how exactly do you judge talent? he is a smart player because he have learned the basics of starcraft and he is training same biulds over and over again every day? he is a smart player but he cant show a proper attitude towards hes opponents? when he wins he is the king but when he lose and acts like a piece of shit nobody should care because he have some skill right?
Just admit that you don't like Idra because of his attitude. The guy I quoted said Idra doesn't have talent unlike Ret. Ret has played the game since forever, much longer than Idra if I remember correctly; what qualifies him as talented and Idra not?
I don't mind if people dislike Idra because he's a dick sometimes (always?), but stop talking stupid shit. Credit where credit's due.
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On November 12 2009 22:00 iG.SwOrD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 21:50 Holgerius wrote:On November 12 2009 20:54 Crucifix wrote:
IMO Kolll is like IdrA, they both play much and have good mechanics but they do not have the talent to play, unlike ret. Idra doesn't have talent? Lol. He's a pretty damn smart player. but not smart enough to ggs?
nvm its like talking to the wall
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well
i dont know much about idra, but what i heard his style is conservative. using strong standard builds with the focus on outmacroing his opponent. if someone says that ret (who when i watch his stream also plays 90%+ standard builds) has more talent i wanna know if oov who was afaik also the bo/macro type is supposed to be untalented just cause he wasn't focusing on fancy dropship play or mnm micro t.t
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On November 12 2009 22:32 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 22:14 iG.SwOrD wrote:On November 12 2009 22:02 Holgerius wrote:On November 12 2009 22:00 iG.SwOrD wrote:On November 12 2009 21:50 Holgerius wrote:On November 12 2009 20:54 Crucifix wrote:
IMO Kolll is like IdrA, they both play much and have good mechanics but they do not have the talent to play, unlike ret. Idra doesn't have talent? Lol. He's a pretty damn smart player. but not smart enough to ggs? What does his occasional BM has to do with him being talented or not? you see talent and i see somebody who plays much more than others. how exactly do you judge talent? he is a smart player because he have learned the basics of starcraft and he is training same biulds over and over again every day? he is a smart player but he cant show a proper attitude towards hes opponents? when he wins he is the king but when he lose and acts like a piece of shit nobody should care because he have some skill right? Just admit that you don't like Idra because of his attitude. The guy I quoted said Idra doesn't have talent unlike Ret. Ret has played the game since forever, much longer than Idra if I remember correctly; what qualifies him as talented and Idra not? I don't mind if people dislike Idra because he's a dick sometimes (always?), but stop talking stupid shit. Credit where credit's due.
Skill =/= Talent.
He just practices much.
Testie was a player with talent.
Idras attitude is just a bonus of his ruined persona.
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Jaedong isn't talented, he just practises much.
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man i hope the guy from kenya fucking stomps all over his group and advances with greg. would be so badass
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Jaedong is talented, BoxeR is talented and some of progamers are/were not ie. Canata etc etc.
Anyway I didn't write I HATE IDRA, I still think he's really good player and him and ret are best foreigners for sure but I don't think he has the talent. He practices much as others, unlike ret IMO, who has sort of game talent and same as Testie had, without any doubts.
I don't like IdrA because of his behaviour, that's a fact but I consider him as a strong terran player.
EOT
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Testie played so much as well.. so I dont really think u can call him more talented than anyone else were talking about..
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On November 12 2009 23:05 Holgerius wrote:
Jaedong isn't talented, he just practises much.
Ha ha ha ha. Ya. Jaedong and Idra have no talent. They suck.
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fuck yeah korea fighting!
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On November 12 2009 23:12 Crucifix wrote:
Jaedong is talented, BoxeR is talented and some of progamers are/were not ie. Canata etc etc.
Anyway I didn't write I HATE IDRA, I still think he's really good player and him and ret are best foreigners for sure but I don't think he has the talent. He practices much as others, unlike ret IMO, who has sort of game talent and same as Testie had, without any doubts.
I don't like IdrA because of his behaviour, that's a fact but I consider him as a strong terran player.
EOT
I think you're mixing between "charm" and "talent".
Saying Canata is not talented is kinda absurd. Being talented does not necessary mean you have to be the best. If Canata did not have talent, he wouldn't have been picked by SKT in the first place, because there are a butt load of Koreans who are capable of "practicing hard" out there. There are levels to talent as well. That's why there are players who are better than others, but that does not mean the worse ones do not have any talent at all.
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Explain to me why you consider Ret to be talented and Idra not.
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Zurich15365 Posts
Fuck yeah kolll fighting! Truly impressive to make it out of that group. Watch out for this kid!
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Russian Federation132 Posts
Koll is a fucking rising star. Only 15 years old but so good, give him 1 year and he will dominate the scene. This boy has so much potential!
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EPT
