[SPL] CJ vs WeMade

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Mykill

Canada3402 Posts

October 31 2009 02:53 GMT

#61

3-1
saviors probably gonna drop his but he could always step up his ZvZ

nvr know

Xiphos

Canada7507 Posts

October 31 2009 02:57 GMT

#62

Savior! I believe!

OreoBoi

Canada1639 Posts

October 31 2009 03:04 GMT

#63

GO shine[kal]!
or actually, iris is on my FPL team too so... GO EITHER TEAM!

Camlito

Australia4040 Posts

October 31 2009 03:09 GMT

#64

On October 31 2009 11:46 Ver wrote:

Show nested quote +

Which one?

Cause it's not really all that simple. Savior's ZvZ is better now even though he's terrible relative to the much stronger competition but that's where it ends. I'd say Savior's ZvT in Shinhan 3 was far better than any other Zerg ever vs bio openings but that will provoke massive resistance and the proof would need to be in the form of 2 long articles so let's just say for now that he's garbage now compared to what he used to be. Savior's ZvP in 2007 is also kind of tricky to say one way or another given the strategy advancement but regardless Savior was 100x better before getting 0-3ed by Bisu in series play in ZvT/ZvP than now.

Watch Savior/Nada Heritage (especially that Python game oh jeez) then compare that to Shinhan 3 finals. They're so much worse now in every aspect except muta micro/muta defense you'd never realize they were the same players. It's really sad to see but keeping one's top form is extraordinarily hard, so not all too surprising

p.s cam why no mafia?

I've had 2 long posts typed out, but i can't think my point through right now, i'll PM you it when i can think clearly.

I'll just say that ZvT is so much different, as Zergs have to go against Mech, Psuedo Mech, Fake Mech, 2 port wraith, all of these and more, along with more Economical Bio (14 cc/1 rax cc, never really 2 rax cc except on byzantium) and sAviOr does his usual greedy style to try and get even or ahead of the terran, but can't pull it off as his unit manouvreing and his general timing is off as terrans don't just do the same thing every game anymore, and are as smart or smarter in the matchup than savior.

Looking at MJYs' losses so far this season:

Vs Kal: Great game from both (Infernal said savior played really fucking good to me). Savior simply forgot to put ovies in 2 key spots, and lost because of that delay.

Vs Hyvaa: Hyvaa went speed + lair overgas, over 2 hatch overgas, and stopped saviors lings from doing anything, therefore forcing savior to not be ahead on the ground, or the air, only in larva and worker count, and hyvaa had alot of workers himself. Hyvaa then abused modern muta micro and sAviOr looked like crap and ended up making himself look worse (2 evos?)

Vs Flash: Flash 14 cc'ed and delayed savior a minute. What zerg would win vs that?

Yet, whenever he loses a game, half the people shout "Retire" or "savior is so bad", instead of analyzing the game like they should. That's why i respect you pointing out that savior and nada seem WORSE at ZvT/TvZ than then, and give a clear reason why. However they are not worse, they just don't adapt as good as they used to or are unique enough to stand out in the sea of quality terrans and zergs nowadays.

Also, i don't have time for mafia really, and with the all-star games, everyone pretty much analyzes everything to death, and i'm more of a clue-getter than analyzer of character.