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On October 15 2009 20:10 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:06 538 wrote:On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless. I think he's at a bit of a loss as to what to do against Bisu too. I get the feeling Bisu is the one player where Flash doesn't feel like he can play his turtle style and win because Bisu's late game is also so insanely good. Of course nothing changes the fact that Flash is like 1-10 or something against Bisu/Jangbi/Stork/Best/Kal this year, which is depressing.
A lot of that is HBR and Destination. It hasn't been said much because zergs have been raping, but maps have also been kind of hard for TvP.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
come 3 lions update the op biiotch! D:
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Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters.
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On October 15 2009 20:10 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:06 538 wrote:On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless. I think he's at a bit of a loss as to what to do against Bisu too. I get the feeling Bisu is the one player where Flash doesn't feel like he can play his turtle style and win because Bisu's late game is also so insanely good. Of course nothing changes the fact that Flash is like 1-10 or something against Bisu/Jangbi/Stork/Best/Kal this year, which is depressing.
Yeah, TvP seems to be his achilles heel, as unthinkable as that sounds for the guy who practically reinvented the MU.
But looking at it another way, does any other Terran have better TvP than Flash right now? Fantasy might be close, but nobody else is even a contender for the title. It says more about the state of S-class TvP than it does anything about Flash imo.
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konadora
Singapore66363 Posts
On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters.
hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too.
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On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too.
Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be.
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That's what I'm talking about! Finally, I managed to call something correctly!
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Could some1 tell me the results pls?^^
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Who won the PvP?
No lr or chat for streams...
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On October 15 2009 20:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too. Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be.
Lost to Iris? This never happened in these few week.
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On October 15 2009 20:20 Itachii wrote:
Could some1 tell me the results pls?^^
Flash>DaezanG
By.Hero>anytime
Flash>By.hero
DaezanG>anytime.
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Poor Anytime  . Wtf
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konadora
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I agree the maps have definitely been hard, and Flash's style has been studied to death. The fundamental "problem" with it in my opinion is just how passive it is. Bisu's late game control is so high level that he can ride the early game advantage to wins. Jangbi also has extremely good late game, as does Stork (though Stork excels more at repeated good decisions that wear down a Terran at midgame). Kal has shown he has the creativity to pull off a win, though I personally don't think he can take Flash straight up. One way or another, the top tier P's have plenty of options, and on maps that allow you to abuse these options it can be tough to block everything off every time. Hell, even Backho stole a game on Destination last season.
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On October 15 2009 20:21 Etopen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 15 2009 20:18 konadora wrote:On October 15 2009 20:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Looking at Flash's stats, does ultimate PL count for TLPD? He's got a loss in there that could only count from losing to Sea there or Leta in STX Masters. hope not, if not you have to count the Line up matches and stuff too. Well, look at it, it says his last loss came before his win against Really, and his loss to Iris isn't on there when it should be. Lost to Iris? This never happened in these few week.
He hasn't played a lot of TvTs lately. The games against Iris should still be on the last 10 games he's played.
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On October 15 2009 20:10 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2009 20:06 538 wrote:On October 15 2009 19:57 Holgerius wrote:I feel that Jaedong is the only threat to Flash with his current form. I think he might be also vulnerable to Calm's mind games or Kwanro's all-in style, maybe even Effort. But damned impressive display of class, nonetheless. I think he's at a bit of a loss as to what to do against Bisu too. I get the feeling Bisu is the one player where Flash doesn't feel like he can play his turtle style and win because Bisu's late game is also so insanely good. Of course nothing changes the fact that Flash is like 1-10 or something against Bisu/Jangbi/Stork/Best/Kal this year, which is depressing.
VS:
Kal 1:1
Bisu 2:5
Best 0:1
Jangbi 0:1
Stork 0:1
Not good but not 1:10, the only one who's really been beating him consistently is Bisu, 1 game doesn't really count
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EPT
