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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
October 14 2009 09:45 GMT
#201
I have a feeling that Canata will all-in the next game too -_-
Brood War loyalist
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 14 2009 09:45 GMT
#202
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't necessarily an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible


Yeah but he's 2/3 for 2fac defenses today, that's a pretty strong winrate. :p
Remember Violet.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 09:46:53
October 14 2009 09:46 GMT
#203
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in
Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching

his defense was as good as it could be? what game were you watching, you pusan fanboy

2 fac shouldn't straight up rape 2 gate range goon expand (up a ramp no less) the way it did there
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 09:48:22
October 14 2009 09:47 GMT
#204
On October 14 2009 18:46 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in
Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching

his defense was as good as it could be? what game were you watching, you pusan fanboy

Yes it was - he went reaver first which was his mistake - with obs he could have defended
Tell me what more pusan could have done - his mine sniping was 100% spot on and goon control flawless

Firstly, it wasn't a normal 2fac (cutting scvs etc) so the units were coming quicker than normal. Plus going reaver slows down goon production at that timing hence why it "straight up raped" pusans 2gate
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
October 14 2009 09:47 GMT
#205
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't necessarily an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

tbh Pusan played pretty horribly in game 1, and game 2 just got lucky with a 14nex, which is just as "all-in" as a 2fac imo


how is 14nex allin? if you your nat to a bunker rush you still have a decent shot at winning
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 14 2009 09:47 GMT
#206
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in
Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching

Making reaver instead of obs first---> getting raped by mines is good defense in your opinion?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 09:49:14
October 14 2009 09:48 GMT
#207
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in
Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching


Ehh he let several mines go down (that subsequently got hit) that could have been picked off with focus fire. I can remember two off the top of my head where exactly one Dragoon shot a mine (while other Dragoons shot others). Not easy to block but pretty crucial when you go Reaver first.

Also taking his Probes and Dragoons too far out of his expo area to chase cost him a bundle of Probes and 1 or 2 Dragoons - did he really think there wasn't going to be more mines right behind the initial area?
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
October 14 2009 09:48 GMT
#208
On October 14 2009 18:47 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:46 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in
Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching

his defense was as good as it could be? what game were you watching, you pusan fanboy

Yes it was - he went reaver first which was his mistake - with obs he could have defended
Tell me what more pusan could have done - his mine sniping was 100% spot on and goon control flawless

are you saying 2-fac up a wide ramp against 2-gate goon range into expo is an autowin? because if pusan was "flawless" then it should win every time -- and there are plenty of games in this scenario where the T fails.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
October 14 2009 09:49 GMT
#209
On October 14 2009 18:47 iamho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't necessarily an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

tbh Pusan played pretty horribly in game 1, and game 2 just got lucky with a 14nex, which is just as "all-in" as a 2fac imo


how is 14nex allin? if you your nat to a bunker rush you still have a decent shot at winning

i was saying 14nex is just as allin as 2fac

which is, NOT VERY
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 14 2009 09:49 GMT
#210
On October 14 2009 18:47 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in
Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching

Making reaver instead of obs first---> getting raped by mines is good defense in your opinion?
That was his one mistake - assuming Canata was playing standard 2fac/expo and no 2fac allin
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
October 14 2009 09:49 GMT
#211
plexa stop being biased

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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
October 14 2009 09:49 GMT
#212
On October 14 2009 18:46 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in
Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching

his defense was as good as it could be? what game were you watching, you pusan fanboy

2 fac shouldn't straight up rape 2 gate range goon expand (up a ramp no less) the way it did there

I think Pusan was teching to shuttle/reaver when he could have built more dragoons. His defense wasn't actually that bad though since he didn't lose his natural nexus.
Brood War loyalist
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51444 Posts
October 14 2009 09:50 GMT
#213
14 nexus is in no way in the world an all-in, it's a standard build which has its pros and cons just like any other pvt build.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 14 2009 09:51 GMT
#214
Anyway, this is like i-station ODT all over again - 1 game to decide who gets a spot in the OSL; Pusan or Canata?

I have waited for this for so long
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
October 14 2009 09:52 GMT
#215
On October 14 2009 18:49 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:47 Holgerius wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in
Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching

Making reaver instead of obs first---> getting raped by mines is good defense in your opinion?
That was his one mistake - assuming Canata was playing standard 2fac/expo and no 2fac allin

pusan defended forgg's 2-fac because forgg was stupid and got siege first trying to "trick" him. pusan failed horribly against Canata's 2-fac because of bad micro and positioning. i can't believe you think he played that "flawlessly" ... because pusan got straight up raped

are you saying if someone 2-facs its impossible to win even if you 2-gate range? because thats not what happens at all. what made this particular 2-fac by Canata somehow unbeatable by 2-gate range expo, on a map with a wide ramp to natural too

its by no means an unwinnable situation and pusan played far from perfect, even very poorly imo
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 09:52:56
October 14 2009 09:52 GMT
#216
On October 14 2009 18:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2009 18:47 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:46 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:42 disciple wrote:
On October 14 2009 18:40 Plexa wrote:
talk about perfect motherfucking defense right there!
bar letting that rine through, that was amazing

talkin about sick ass luck and canata scouting the 12 nex too late

Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan

2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible

No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in
Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching

his defense was as good as it could be? what game were you watching, you pusan fanboy

Yes it was - he went reaver first which was his mistake - with obs he could have defended
Tell me what more pusan could have done - his mine sniping was 100% spot on and goon control flawless

are you saying 2-fac up a wide ramp against 2-gate goon range into expo is an autowin? because if pusan was "flawless" then it should win every time -- and there are plenty of games in this scenario where the T fails.

Its by no means auto-win at standard timing. But do you agree that Canata's 2 fac in game 1 was not your typical 2 fac in the sense that he cut scv production?
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
October 14 2009 09:53 GMT
#217
On October 14 2009 18:50 GTR wrote:
14 nexus is in no way in the world an all-in, it's a standard build which has its pros and cons just like any other pvt build.

GTR please go back and read my post. i didn't say it was all-in, i said it was as allin as 2-fac because Plexa said "Canata allined and deserve the 14nex."
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
October 14 2009 09:53 GMT
#218
2 fact again by Canata. Jeez...
Brood War loyalist
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
October 14 2009 09:53 GMT
#219
fe for pusan?
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 09:54:09
October 14 2009 09:53 GMT
#220
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