EPT[OSL] EVER 2009 Round of 36 Group A/B - Page 11
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote: 2-fac isn't necessarily an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible Yeah but he's 2/3 for 2fac defenses today, that's a pretty strong winrate. :p | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote: No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in  Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching his defense was as good as it could be? what game were you watching, you pusan fanboy 2 fac shouldn't straight up rape 2 gate range goon expand (up a ramp no less) the way it did there | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:46 Hot_Bid wrote: his defense was as good as it could be? what game were you watching, you pusan fanboy Yes it was - he went reaver first which was his mistake - with obs he could have defended Tell me what more pusan could have done - his mine sniping was 100% spot on and goon control flawless Firstly, it wasn't a normal 2fac (cutting scvs etc) so the units were coming quicker than normal. Plus going reaver slows down goon production at that timing hence why it "straight up raped" pusans 2gate | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote: 2-fac isn't necessarily an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible tbh Pusan played pretty horribly in game 1, and game 2 just got lucky with a 14nex, which is just as "all-in" as a 2fac imo how is 14nex allin? if you your nat to a bunker rush you still have a decent shot at winning | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote: No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching Making reaver instead of obs first---> getting raped by mines is good defense in your opinion? | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:44 Plexa wrote: No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching Ehh he let several mines go down (that subsequently got hit) that could have been picked off with focus fire. I can remember two off the top of my head where exactly one Dragoon shot a mine (while other Dragoons shot others). Not easy to block but pretty crucial when you go Reaver first. Also taking his Probes and Dragoons too far out of his expo area to chase cost him a bundle of Probes and 1 or 2 Dragoons - did he really think there wasn't going to be more mines right behind the initial area? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:47 Plexa wrote: Yes it was - he went reaver first which was his mistake - with obs he could have defended Tell me what more pusan could have done - his mine sniping was 100% spot on and goon control flawless are you saying 2-fac up a wide ramp against 2-gate goon range into expo is an autowin? because if pusan was "flawless" then it should win every time -- and there are plenty of games in this scenario where the T fails. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:47 iamho wrote: how is 14nex allin? if you your nat to a bunker rush you still have a decent shot at winning i was saying 14nex is just as allin as 2fac which is, NOT VERY | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:47 Holgerius wrote: That was his one mistake - assuming Canata was playing standard 2fac/expo and no 2fac allinMaking reaver instead of obs first---> getting raped by mines is good defense in your opinion? | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:46 Hot_Bid wrote: his defense was as good as it could be? what game were you watching, you pusan fanboy 2 fac shouldn't straight up rape 2 gate range goon expand (up a ramp no less) the way it did there I think Pusan was teching to shuttle/reaver when he could have built more dragoons. His defense wasn't actually that bad though since he didn't lose his natural nexus. | ||
GTR
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
I have waited for this for so long | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:49 Plexa wrote: That was his one mistake - assuming Canata was playing standard 2fac/expo and no 2fac allin pusan defended forgg's 2-fac because forgg was stupid and got siege first trying to "trick" him. pusan failed horribly against Canata's 2-fac because of bad micro and positioning. i can't believe you think he played that "flawlessly" ... because pusan got straight up raped are you saying if someone 2-facs its impossible to win even if you 2-gate range? because thats not what happens at all. what made this particular 2-fac by Canata somehow unbeatable by 2-gate range expo, on a map with a wide ramp to natural too its by no means an unwinnable situation and pusan played far from perfect, even very poorly imo | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:48 Hot_Bid wrote: are you saying 2-fac up a wide ramp against 2-gate goon range into expo is an autowin? because if pusan was "flawless" then it should win every time -- and there are plenty of games in this scenario where the T fails. Its by no means auto-win at standard timing. But do you agree that Canata's 2 fac in game 1 was not your typical 2 fac in the sense that he cut scv production? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On October 14 2009 18:50 GTR wrote: 14 nexus is in no way in the world an all-in, it's a standard build which has its pros and cons just like any other pvt build. GTR please go back and read my post. i didn't say it was all-in, i said it was as allin as 2-fac because Plexa said "Canata allined and deserve the 14nex." | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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