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This is another post only relevant to Aussies, sorry everyone :3
At the moment Pure Knight (from BoredAussies, and ex-AUS-1 admin) and myself are exploring how implementing a State of Origin competition for Australian StarCraft players would pan out.
There's no finalised structure for the competition yet, nor confirmed prizes or duration, but what we do have are a few ideas and foundations and what I need from you is expression of interest. Once we know the teams competing we can better work on the format and other details. I have not confirmed the details below with Pure Knight or anyone else but I thought I should get proactive and write something down.
What we have so far
Eligibility
- If you were born in a particular state you are eligible for that state.
- If you live in a particular state you are eligible for that state.
- According to one of the above criteria, once you choose a state you cannot change it at any time.
- Overseas-born players will be permitted, on the condition that they are permanent residents here and NOT just on a visa (for work or study).
- Don't lie about which states you can represent.
Team Structure
- New South Wales and ACT players will compete as a team.
- Queensland and Norther Territory players will compete as a team.
- South Australia and Western Australia players will compete as a team.
- Victoria and Tasmania players will compete as a team.
- Teams must consist of a minimum of 4 players, and a maximum of 6.
- There will be a 'for fun' (no prize) training team or B-team with players who do not make the main team so they can still have fun playing for their state.
- At least one representative from each state must be included in the team (even if it is just in the B-team) unless there are no players signed up from that state (hi NT) - not sure about this rule yet, see who expresses interest.
Competition Structure
- Clan War Structure, consisting of four 1v1 matches on predetermined maps and one 2v2 games. Lineups must be submitted prior to the scheduled match time.
- Will be pretty flexible on when you complete them during the week because not everyone has as much time for SC as they used to. Instead of the two teams negotiating a time, the players will have the option to postpone their own game if the rest of the respective teams play at an inconvenient time.
- Unsure of the length of the competition or the frequency. Over an entire iCCup season is too long but the Finals can't be too frequent.
- Probably round-robin format, with each team playing each other at least once (maybe twice).
- Depending on strength and numbers in the B-teams, they may or may not compete in the main competition.
- Prizes and any other information I have missed here are undefined at this time.
Evil Geniuses manager Lucas Colbi Bigham and some of the EG players have expressed interest in competing in a show match with the victorious State of Origin team after the 5 week competition is complete. Team Evil Geniuses (http://www.myeg.net) are one of if not the premier StarCraft team hailing from the USA, boasting a formidable StarCraft lineup featuring the likes of Louder, iNcontroL, Machine, LzGaMeR, iNkA and Nyoken. The winning State Team from the competition will have a chance to prove themselves against the best that North America have to offer in a showmatch against the boys from EG.sc
Map Pool
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+ Show Spoiler [Maps] +1v1 - 16 maps
Fighting Spirit
Match Point
Outsider SE 2.0
Heartbreak Ridge 1.2
Destination 1.1
Neo Medusa 2.1
Andromeda
Carthage 2.0
Colosseum II
Byzantium III
Blue Storm
Othello
Wuthering Heights
Tau Cross
Ride of Valkyries
Nostalgia
2v2 - 10 maps
Python
Arcadia 2
Gaia
Byzantium III
Colosseum II
Othello
God's Garden
Reverse Temple
Nostalgia
Vampire
What it might mean in the future
We can speculate about a lot of things for the SC SoO competition, such as possible revival of Team Aus. for Nation Wars (using SoO as a selection process or proving grounds), cash or hardware prizes, set up some grounds for competitive StarCraft 2 in Australia and many other things - such as fun and the chance to represent your state!
There is also the possibility of adding New Zealand in the future if the venture is successful.
What can we do now?
SIGN UP! Express your interest my PM or posting in this thread (or other sites like iCCup, BoredAussie, TeamAus, etc.). We are just getting initial headcounts and see who thinks they have the time to do this and who wants to participate in it.
The people who have expressed interest are below. Note that as eligibility rules are subject to change, so are the teams (e.g. for now I am eligible for NSW as I live here, and TAS as I was born there but if we think the 'born' rule should be removed then I will be applying for the NSW/ACT team... unfortunately B-team or C-team more likely cos I suck).
ID - Race - State - Rank; also include your CURRENT State and BIRTH State
SIGN UPS ( 15 - ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png) 3 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png) 8 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png) 3 1): Z.Kw - New South Wales - B- -iNcoGNiTo- - New South Wales - C- Sotanath - New South Wales - C- Marine50 - New South Wales - C- lkori - New South Wales - D+ Peanutter - New South Wales - D+ X-FoShO - New South Wales - D+ iCCup.deL - New South Wales - D+ chogoling - New South Wales - D ZPo - New South Wales - D hisense_teevee - New South Wales - D Zoroastra - New South Wales - D thugzta[AutO] - New South Wales - D fadetowhite - Australian Capital Territory - A-/B PandaSaurus_au - Australian Capital Territory - D+ SIGN UPS ( 10 - 3 4 2 1): G4i.Etude - Queensland SenSei - Queensland - A KJH[RED] - Queensland - C+ Final[PaiN] - Queensland - C/C+ Touchmyzerg - Queensland - C- X-LoSt - Queensland - D+ ]naifu - Queensland - D ItsPaul - Queensland - D- prOxi.NapE - Northern Territory - D+ SeMu - Northern Territory SIGN UPS ( 13 - 4 5 4 0): X-EdgE - South Australia - C+ Su)FighT - South Australia - C Smacey - South Australia - C- deth- - South Australia - D+ Artanis - South Australia - D+ miomoemaid - South Australia - D ciaM - South Australia - D StarrBren - Western Australia - C Koven - Western Australia - C- BebOTerran - Western Australia - C- Fen - Western Australia - D+ Siefu - Western Australia - D ecONI - Western Australia - D SIGN UPS ( 21 - 7 9 4 1): KarnivooL - Victoria - B- ttSeason - Victoria - C+ PerfectHydra - Victoria - C+ dAncerS - Victoria - C Pred_au - Victoria - C vSt.pinder - Victoria - C sMbK - Victoria - C- X-ToRpiD - Victoria - C- TheShinyFace - Victoria - C- playahz - Victoria - C- Esc-dosile - Victoria - D+ Scaramanga - Victoria - D+ -jupiter- - Victoria - D+ Backlash - Victoria - D+ SilentNoodle - Victoria - D+ Sexyplay - Victoria - D FrZ - Victoria - D suttal.tea - Victoria - D BookTwo - Victoria - D deconduo - Victoria - D hided)) - Victoria - D
ContactsIf you want your contacts added, PM me, post here or otherwise contact me to get them added! + Show Spoiler [NSWACT] +iCCup.dEL - iCCup.Del on iCCup, iCCup.deL on TeamLiquid
Marine50 - Marine50 on iCCup, Marine50 on TeamLiquid
Z.Kw - X-Aki or Z.Kw on iCCup, X-DKNY on USWest, Z.Kw on TeamLiquid Siefu - Siefu on iCCup, Siefu on TeamLiquid X-ToRpiD - hwru on iCCup, Lurgee on TeamLiquid
KarnivooL - iLu.KarnivooL on iCCup, Raiju on TeamLiquid, Voices on TeamAus
SilentNoodle - SilentNoodle on iCCup, SilentNoodle on TeamLiquid
playahz - playahz on iCCup, pre_amp on TL
Breakdown of players
Players:
TOTAL: 59 players
ACT - 2 (3.4%)
NSW - 13 (22.0%)
NT - 2 (3.4%)
QLD - 8 (13.6%)
SA - 7 (11.8%)
TAS - 0 (0.0%)
VIC - 21 (35.6%)
WA - 6 (10.1%)
Races:
3 (5.1%)
13 (22.0%)
26 (44.1%)
17 (28.8%)
+ Show Spoiler [FLAGS] + ACT NSW NT QLD SA TAS VIC WA
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BTW - no confirmation of where the games will be played, be it BoredAussie, iCCup or Battle.net.
If any kind of cash or hardware prizes are organised you will be required to prove that you own a legitimate copy of the game and that you are eligible for the state.
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If there aren't enough players for NSW I can play.
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PwefectZerg - Zerg - Queensland - D
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it's great to see other countries outside of USA organizing shit like this  !!
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On October 13 2009 12:37 chogoling wrote:
If there aren't enough players for NSW I can play.
Enter now just so I can get a list of names who are interested. Doesn't matter if you may not be able to make the team I just would like to know if this appeals to everyone and also get feedback about format and input from people to improve it too!
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Sign me up to represent the Big V!!
- dancerS - C-
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On October 13 2009 13:08 DancerS_au wrote:Sign me up to represent the Big V!! - dancerS - C-
Speaking of big V, once teams are finalised I encourage voting for a team nickname or name n_n VIC/TAS 'the Southern V' comes to mind  Applicable to Victoria, Tas (the shape) and sounds kinda naughty. The trifecta!
SAWA is like a nickname on its own it sounds awesome.
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sign me up for victoria!
BookTwo - D - Terran
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United States11390 Posts
You better destroy in this, Cam.
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On October 13 2009 13:22 Harem wrote:
You better destroy in this, Cam.
Depends whether frugga, GoD-, Etude, Smurf and maybe sensei show up :3 Cam should monster it though with all the Zergs in Aus.
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Spud (KarnivooL) D- Victoria
nice work del
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lol D- spud come on be honest now Also you get my reply to your PM on iCC?
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zulu I posted it on TeamAus too and I saw guc there last month or so.
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Vic, C(assuming last seasons icc rank counts, havent played much yet this season), Protoss, vst.pinder
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Last season counts yeah, and so do National Tournament results because you are going to be playing against the same people as you played there so it seems fair to buff up your rank n_n
KarnivooL I have you down as C because that is what I have seen you as, even though that might have been after you got Aus Nat Tour semi-final points (or finals points last season). Like I said I am including those results, but if you wanna be put down as C- or w/e you think you really are just say.
The ranks up there aren't final or really used for anything other than a gauge. Will find a way of choosing teams of course be it tournament, votes of reccommendation, whatever.
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I was born in SA but live in vic and seeing how theres fuck all wa's and cams there ima go in sa
soooo SA zerg D reporting in
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On October 13 2009 14:34 Scaramanga wrote:
I was born in SA but live in vic and seeing how theres fuck all wa's and cams there ima go in sa
soooo SA zerg C- reporting in
you were not xD Putting you down for VIC now until you make a final decision and we see how many are in SAWA.
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On October 13 2009 14:34 Scaramanga wrote:
I was born in SA but live in vic and seeing how theres fuck all wa's and cams there ima go in sa
soooo SA zerg D reporting in
You'd be a D+ zerg probably. :D
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I was born in Melbourne but I'm living in Ireland now. I probably don't count, but just in case I'll put my name down. D zerg.
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Pred_au ZERG - VICTORIA!!! - D+ currently
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No rules covering that atm, deconduo. There are so many players in VIC already, but I will sign you up and see how it goes. Can see a hard time with timezones for you though
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Braavos36375 Posts
lol this looks awesome
you guys have logos and everything
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Put you down as C, Pred. Gawd VIC is looking imba already.
Good to see another SAWA!
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On October 13 2009 17:24 Hot_Bid wrote:
lol this looks awesome
you guys have logos and everything
chea. you better fear us. our logoz are teh awesomnethh!
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On October 13 2009 17:52 BookTwo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2009 17:24 Hot_Bid wrote:
lol this looks awesome
you guys have logos and everything chea. you better fear us. our logoz are teh ripped straight from google images
Can make proper logos later
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Damn, we all knew that Victorians rule Australian sports with an iron fist, now we will rule Starcraft as all.
Who will challenge us? eh eh?
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On October 13 2009 18:11 haduken wrote:
Damn, we all knew that Victorians rule Australian sports with an iron fist, now we will rule Starcraft as all.
Who will challenge us? eh eh?
Yah I know -.- Storm won NRL;
VIC team won AFL...
Will it be a whitewash?
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Sign me up
ID: hided))
Race: Random
State: VICTORIA
Rank: Nfi Havent ranked myself on Iccup properly. Neutral rank then
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ID: Smace (Smacey on ICCup x_x)
Race: Protoss.
State: South Australia, born and live here.
Rank: C-
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I'd like to nominate that we have captains
and that i'm the captain of SA :D + Show Spoiler + plz 
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Any idea when the games will be played?
I might be able to play, but I'm somewhat time poor these days and don't have as much spare time as I used to.
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On October 13 2009 18:58 Camlito wrote:I'd like to nominate that we have captains and that i'm the captain of SA :D + Show Spoiler + plz
If we listened to you, captaincy would be decided by "not protoss"
There will be team captains for A and B teams, but they will be determined either by:
A Tournament; OR
As voted by State team players, with additional weighting given to higher ranked players (i.e. If your are C you might start with 1 vote already, if you are highest in state you might start with 2 votes already, etc.)
Will come up with a final method once we get some more names up there!
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Bob - there are always B-team positions, which is more relaxed and social if you want to play that way, but will also be a good training grounds or means of proving yourself for A-team.
Also, there are subs or shadow players.
Sign up and more details will be released once other things have been discussed and organised. Times that the games are played will generally not be extremes if it is say Western states vs Eastern states but otherwise timezones are really close so the times that games are played should be pretty volatile and friendly.
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Kk then.
PandaSaurus_au - Zerg - ACT - D+
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GL to all.
Hopefully SA/WA and QLD/NT get more names up.
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Backlash_au D+
i'll be playing T/Z
Vic
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OKAY im a D+ T/Z, we may need to even up the teams
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Split victoria into 2 teams maybe, and let tasmania join QLD or something.
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Won't be doing any evening up just yet - not all sign ups are done, only the teamliquid ones.
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In any case, VIC can just have extra shadow players for the A-team and then maybe two B-teams, it's easy to account for. For example -
A Melbourne City B-team and 'Country Victoria' B-team.
Greater melb/suburbs would be in country (or like, within 15mins of CBD) and the rest could be 'country'.
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
suttal.tea/ hysteresis Protoss D
I don't have much time to play as of late, and there are so many in Vic already, but like practice partner for a B team sounds good
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Vic metro and vic country , thats how vfl dose it
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let the kiwi in as well. they can be their "own" state. It would be a nice distraction, they must be getting bored with the sheep.
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On October 13 2009 20:32 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:suttal.tea/ hysteresis Protoss D I don't have much time to play as of late, and there are so many in Vic already, but like practice partner for a B team sounds good
You could be there to give them FPL tips :D
On October 13 2009 20:37 haduken wrote:
let the kiwi in as well. they can be their "own" state. It would be a nice distraction, they must be getting bored with the sheep.
This has already been discussed but will not take place until later if we decide to implement it.
Going to bed now, further updates will be made tomorrow.
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ID: SilentNoodle
Race: Zerg.
State: Victoria, born and live here. (Not in Melbourne)
Rank: D+
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I'm a total noob but wouldn't mind playing for casual fun/to learn sum
ItsPaul - Zerg or Protoss depending my mood - QLD - D- represent
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Haha, Victoria is rocking it!
Going to take the newly coveted Brood War State of Origin, to add to the list of sporting achievements. We already have the Cricket, AFL, NRL, Basketball, Netball, Soccer.
Greatest State Ever!
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any SA players PM me on here or add me on ICC for practice/fun games or just discussing possible strategies >
EDIT: X-EdgE on iCCup
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On October 13 2009 22:04 Raiju wrote:
Sensei A ? lol
A ranked hacker! :D
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Gawd. So many people already! n_n
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On October 14 2009 06:09 Roxen000 wrote:
Gawd. So many Victorians already! n_n
>.>
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Cogs will play for NSW.
-incognito-
He doesn't have a rank atm tho.
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Updated logos Once you have a captain and team name or anything like that you can feel free to make your own logo for the states!
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Del put put me in SA jesus, theres 100000 vics, dont need that many
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Scara some people might not be able to make the time or something else might come up.
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how about we do what they do in AFL.
I can represent hawthorn and you can represent box hill etc.
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prOxi.NapE NORTHERN TERRITORY BITCHEZZZ! D+ Terran 
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Hahaha Sensei, you truly exemplify retarded hackers.
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Putting you down as WA NapE
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Coming out or lurkerdom to say: you guys are awesome for doing this. Team WASA FTW (even if there are no WA people playing yet. Y'know, if I were any good at all ...)
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On October 14 2009 19:52 khaydarin9 wrote:
Coming out or lurkerdom to say: you guys are awesome for doing this. Team WASA FTW (even if there are no WA people playing yet. Y'know, if I were any good at all ...)
If I signed up then you sure can! Don't be scared just because you don't think you're good - it might be a chance to improve and also meet people who play near you. Also it's nice playing other Aussies where the lag is reduced a little
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Depends on the timing I guess since I got exams in a month but I'll throw my hat into the ring as the first player reppin' WA.
Siefu - Terran - Western Australia - D/D-
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On October 14 2009 19:52 khaydarin9 wrote:
Coming out or lurkerdom to say: you guys are awesome for doing this. Team WASA FTW (even if there are no WA people playing yet. Y'know, if I were any good at all ...)
I'll teach you, my WASA son..
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Artanis - Terran - Don't play iccup.
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SA.. Who doesn't know that? :o
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I'll put you down as D+ for now cos lots of the other blokes seem to be doing that.
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Art arrogance returns -_-)
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Always
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]naifu - QUEENSLAND YEAAHH - Zerg - D
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G4i.Etude (D) - Queensland
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On October 15 2009 15:43 Nionim wrote:
G4i.Etude (D) - Queensland
lol
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Marine50 - Terran N.S.W
edit: D+
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lol i thought this was actual blues vs maroons and wondered what it was doing in the tourney section.
thought the name for the tourney was great though
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wtfizzle why did you put me as WA del? Boot one of the Qlders over - I'm the sole NT entrant so far!
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hisense_teevee - Protoss - NSW - D
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I thought you were WA, NapE? Are you really NT or just wanna be special?
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Nice to see more signups still coming in - soon the teams will be allocated and an intra-state tournament run to determine the top seeds of that state, as well as who is int he A-team or B-team.
Games will not be into full swing until close to November when everyone has finished their school and university work. Keep this in mind if you have signed up but are going away for the holidays.
Captains will be decided when the teams are finalised too - you can nominate yourself for captain and the highest ranked played in the tournament who has expressed interest in captaincy will most likely get the role.
Captaincy must be held by an A-team player, and involves such tasks as:
Organise both A- and B-teams for your state.
Organising matches between your state and another (schedule a time, submit lineup, etc.).
Motivating team members.
Helping with or organising practice sessions when applicable (both in your team and to help B-team players improve).
Reminding or informing teammates of upcoming games, and doing your best to ensure they turn up on time.
So if you are not willing to do these things to a sufficient level then don't apply!
For any problems encountered in doing these tasks we will provide a list of contacts and advisors that you can approach.
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Hey, I guess you can sign me up for WA
Sadly, I havent played starcraft for quite a while and even when I did play I wasnt very good at it (probs D+ at my peak), but if you get in one of those spots where the team doesnt have enough players I might be able to help out and fill a spot.
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Zoroastra - Zerg - D - NSW
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Peanutter - Zerg - D+ - NSW
This sounds awesome
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haha all aussies are zerg.
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On October 14 2009 14:54 iCCup.deL wrote:
Scara some people might not be able to make the time or something else might come up.
*hoping that 4 people cant make their games*
Damm it, i wanna get coached by cam rawr
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I should switch back to PvZ for a bit for some fun
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Why did you switch states del?
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So many in VIC already, ehough for 1 A-team and 2 B-teams. I am eligible for both (plus ACT).
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T.T can't we just ban koreans and let other overseas born players take part.
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Hard to prove it pangshai, and I don't really like discriminating that way when the only real reason is cos we don't wanna get our arses kicked so bad.
There are Koreans in each state, and GoD- doesn't think he wants to participate yet.
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Weak tell god to man up del.
Nice to see Vic with the most signups. We always had the bigger turnouts to wcg as well. Go Vic!! This looks like it's going to be awesome
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which state is GoD- from anyway?
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thanks for organizing this. will be epic. any idea on how long till we start the games. weeks? months?
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On October 15 2009 18:27 iCCup.deL wrote:
Games will not be into full swing until close to November when everyone has finished their school and university work. Keep this in mind if you have signed up but are going away for the holidays.
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Yeah trying to convince GoD- but I dunno his reason for not wanting to play yet (like, he comes to all the AusNZ tours and they don't have a prize... plus they are more games than this one is going to be).
chogoling - he's from NSW.
Marine50 - like I said it's best to wait until after exams because if we start sooner then half or more of the people won't be able to play regularly.
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OMG NSW, damn aren't we lucky... if he joins that is
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This is going to be unfair
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On October 15 2009 21:52 iCCup.deL wrote:
cogoling - he's from NSW.
Hurrah!
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On October 15 2009 21:54 Camlito wrote:This is going to be unfair
we're gonna be like hwaseung oz
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On October 15 2009 22:04 Camlito wrote:
Our team is eSTRO
eSTRO is looking strong this season! eSAWA! Also, I was going to say this too - at least when teams are finalised cos atm NSWACT is looking pretty mediocre.
On October 15 2009 22:03 chogoling wrote:we're gonna be like hwaseung oz
Except that I think frugga might be NSW too o_o Maybe I am wrong.
Anyway there are a couple players who have taken games off GoD- like smurf (NSW?), cheeseball (VIC), etude and many others are perfectly capable. Some are yet to sign up, too.
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none of the players who did are from SA t_t
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Hi! I guess I'll sign up
miomoemaid D Zerg SA
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my last exam is 23rd november... hopefully i can get through the seeding rounds with some luck
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Wretchedness from Queensland AKA II-Infested / Touchmyzerg
D+/ C- zerg user
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Yeah mate I'm true blue NT - born in Alice Springs - currently living in Darwin.
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On October 16 2009 11:53 prOxi.NapE wrote:
Yeah mate I'm true blue NT - born in Alice Springs - currently living in Darwin.
Oh, sorry man - had it in my head that you were WA and thought you were trying to pull a Scaramanga to be different or something
Any other NT players you know of that might wanna play?
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SiMPL / Sexyplay
Victoria, Protoss, D
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I'm fadetowhite on iccup, from ACT, usually zerg but might play TvZ because it seems like there's too many zergs already.
My exams finish in late November sometime and I'm going away for a month in mid December, but in between I can definitely play.
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On October 16 2009 14:55 Wonders wrote:
I'm fadetowhite on iccup, from ACT, usually zerg but might play TvZ because it seems like there's too many zergs already.
My exams finish in late November sometime and I'm going away for a month in mid December, but in between I can definitely play.
No you are playing ZvZ. I need to be able to beat you.
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On October 16 2009 14:55 Wonders wrote:
I'm fadetowhite on iccup, from ACT, usually zerg but might play TvZ because it seems like there's too many zergs already.
My exams finish in late November sometime and I'm going away for a month in mid December, but in between I can definitely play.
Oh, didn't know you were ACT. I went to St. Edmunds for high school.
Also I put your offrace down as B cos I dunno what it's at.
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Del: are we allowed to offrace without notifying the opponent beforehand?
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This needs a little Legionnaire!
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chogoling: The maps will be known in advance, as will the player lineups so you will have to declare your race when your team captain declares the lineup. Note that this doesn't mean you are 'stuck' with a race - but you must state which race you will use for each matchup to give people a chance to prepare.
e.g. I might play ZvZ, ZvT and PvP so when I declare that I will play I will say that, so if the opponent ends up as a P they can expect me to be using P.
What I can't do, however, is say I am Z but then turn up there and go 'actually I am playing P' because the opponent would have prepared to face a zerg and you would have a huge advantage.
Slaughter - once more of the stuff is finalised maybe we can intice him over for a few matches between poker games
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oh, so I can state I'm going R for a specific match?
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I don't see any reason why not. Say if I say I'm going random, I'm still preparing for three matchups, as is my opponent.
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But they won't know which one to use right from the start whereas you will.
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You're preparing for 3 matchups where you know the opponents race, your opponent is preparing for 3 matchups where he doesn't know unless he scouts really early or you cheese and he finds out fast.
Although random should be allowed.
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Just man up and choose a race, you're free to choose a different one each week if you like.
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No random. Just pick a race, why is that so hard?
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many people have a dreaded match up, just play it if you get it, learn something and hope for a different one next time. There are many games to play man
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wow it's crazy I didn't know there were still this many Aus players!! I hope every country can start an initiative like this
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i dislike the idea of offracing for certain match ups... in my opinion it should be choose a race, p/t/z OR random, and then ur opponent has to deal with it. not i choose this race if u choose this race kinda crap... what if u have 2 z players and they both want to tvz and neither want to be the z? (i mean this isn't far fetched since in my opinion its alot easier tvz'ing than zvt'ing at low levels on iccup)
we gonna have some rule that will decide on matters like this?
ps. i do realize i am under T/Z only because i am playing terran now but will go back to zerg if i get stomped around too much.
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How about if you choose a 'main' race, so that you play 2-3 matchups with that race and you can specify an off-race for a specific matchup if you like.
If two people with mutually exclusive matchups play they both have to use their main.
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On October 16 2009 15:15 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2009 14:55 Wonders wrote:
I'm fadetowhite on iccup, from ACT, usually zerg but might play TvZ because it seems like there's too many zergs already.
My exams finish in late November sometime and I'm going away for a month in mid December, but in between I can definitely play. No you are playing ZvZ. I need to be able to beat you.
You two need to play ZvZ so I can see how to beat you.
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What if you have a Z player who plays TvZ
And another Z player who plays PvT.
It jus causes headaches.
So jus pick 1 race, it aint hard.
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On October 17 2009 10:30 Backlash wrote:
i dislike the idea of offracing for certain match ups... in my opinion it should be choose a race, p/t/z OR random, and then ur opponent has to deal with it. not i choose this race if u choose this race kinda crap... what if u have 2 z players and they both want to tvz and neither want to be the z? (i mean this isn't far fetched since in my opinion its alot easier tvz'ing than zvt'ing at low levels on iccup)
we gonna have some rule that will decide on matters like this?
ps. i do realize i am under T/Z only because i am playing terran now but will go back to zerg if i get stomped around too much.
ur gay
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hell put me down, why not
C-, VIC, zvp/zvt/pvz
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On October 17 2009 11:17 fearus wrote:
What if you have a Z player who plays TvZ
And another Z player who plays PvT.
It jus causes headaches.
So jus pick 1 race, it aint hard.
This:
If two people with mutually exclusive matchups play they both have to use their main.
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Heaps of players in Aus still suprisingly.
We got enough to start the National team again.
Del ill talk 2 u bout this.
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im down, VIC, zerg player, C-
aka: playahz
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Not allowing random is stupid. If a player is confident enough to go into a match without knowing what race he will be playing, he should be entitled to do so. The Random advantage isn't as great as everyone says it is - just scout earlier or double scout or something. Adaptation is part of Starcraft, and is a measure of skill. Introducing silly rules only takes away from the unpredictability of the game.
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Just an update, brackets for the Seeding Tournament (to see highest seeds in the state) will be finalised soon. We will try and organise some sponsor for a modest prize (has to be pretty modest for a team of 6) for the main tournament. The tournament brackets will be on binarybeast and the format will be double elimination.
Upper bracket will be BO3, first game on Des and then loser picks from the map pool (to be released). Lower bracket will be BO1 on the same maps, with the final being BO5. The tournament results will be used to decide captains and A-team members, but is by no means the final decision (you can just have a bad day).
Using the tourney results the state teams will be organised and the actual competition will not start until everyone's exams are over.
Cheers.
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On October 17 2009 17:58 prOxi.NapE wrote:
Introducing rules only takes away from the random luck of the game.
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Seriously, going random is retarded.
It shouldn't be allowed.
Just pick a fucking race, even if it depends on what the other player choses...
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So what's happening with A and B team then? Is B team just gonna be like practice partners or will they get games?
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chogoling - the B team will have their own comp between themselves.
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not allowing random is retarded. If you're not good enough to play someone who's random it's your problem not theirs. It's a legitimate race in itself.
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On October 17 2009 19:01 RowdierBob wrote:
not allowing random is retarded. If you're not good enough to play someone who's random it's your problem not theirs. It's a legitimate race in itself.
allowing random is retard, if ure not good enough to learn to play 1 race and need to cheese wins through sheer dumb luck of other person doing a wrong BO, its ur problem, not theirs,
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If I were to allow random I would have to remove the knowledge of the lineup prior to the match. Not gonna do that - random isn't a race but if you want to simulate it by choosing a different race each week that is fine.
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On October 17 2009 19:01 RowdierBob wrote:
not allowing random is retarded. If you're not good enough to play someone who's random it's your problem not theirs. It's a legitimate race in itself.
U really have no idea sorry.
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my friend asked me to put him down as well
aka: -jupiter-, VIC, protoss, d+
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Jesus christ don't Victorians play any other games? xD
VIC may be split up into two A-team and two B-teams of ~5 players each.
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IMO random should not be allowed, it does give an advantage (if even a slight one). Would hate to see some of the better players lose out to gumbys who used some cheesy bullshit (Yes i know cheese can happen in normal games but atleast you can plan for the the bullshit knowing which race your up against). There are also some maps which give greater advantages to the player going random than others ..
Most of all, I want to see some good games played and not allowing random is a good move to make that happen.
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On October 17 2009 11:18 SoMuchBetter wrote:
im gay
msg me for some games some time fag
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On October 17 2009 22:45 Backlash wrote:msg me for some games some time fag
It's AWWWWNNNNN grudge matchhhh. Day[9] cast anyone? xD
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lol.
Try hit up Dig, Nuke, Ranshin, CHolera, Moletrap, Klaz, Brent, Kenny, Day9, Artosis, Tasteless?
Chance in hell? Hope so!
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On October 17 2009 22:45 Backlash wrote:msg me for some cock some time big boy
uh... ill pass on your offer for gay sex
but im willing to play a few games of starcraft with you sometime
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On October 17 2009 20:36 DancerS_au wrote:
IMO random should not be allowed, it does give an advantage (if even a slight one). Would hate to see some of the better players lose out to gumbys who used some cheesy bullshit (Yes i know cheese can happen in normal games but atleast you can plan for the the bullshit knowing which race your up against). There are also some maps which give greater advantages to the player going random than others ..
Most of all, I want to see some good games played and not allowing random is a good move to make that happen.
Seriously? It's not like random is a hack or something. Race picking I can maybe agree with, but not allowing random is dumb.
As long as you indicated you're playing random in the sign-ups, I don't see the problem. If you don't feel as confident playing against a random player becuase you can't follow your robotic early game builds, it isn't your opponent's problem.
When did everyone go so lame?
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Random is really just no fun to play against in most cases and if the person who plays random just wants to play any race then why not just pick one or roll a dice or something man.
Lost Temple isn't a hack, it's part of the game but I bet everyone would complain if that were the map for these tourneys. It alters the game too much and is not really in the spirit of the competitiveness or fun of it.
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Theres a reason why u cant random in pro scene, coz it gives an unfair advantage in terms of early build order, scouting and overall game plan. You cant prepare a good build or anything for a map and matchup.
The main reason for going random is usually because some1 doesn't like playing a particular matchup. Thats just gay, man up and play it
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Actually it's allowed, it's just that no one randoms because it's too hard to master nine matchups yet alone three.
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I recall seeing a rule about having to specify your race before the games, surely there'd be more cases of one-off randoms if it was allowed?
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On October 18 2009 12:54 GTR wrote:
Actually it's allowed, it's just that no one randoms because it's too hard to master nine matchups yet alone three.
You have to choose 1 race 4 entire MSL or OSL.
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What? in gomtv2 msl savior went terran against gorush
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On October 18 2009 13:58 Raiju wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2009 12:54 GTR wrote:
Actually it's allowed, it's just that no one randoms because it's too hard to master nine matchups yet alone three. You have to choose 1 race 4 entire MSL or OSL.
youre wrong, GTR is right
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players are such giant sissy wimps these days. "boo-hoo i cant cope with not doing exactly the same opening i always do in a specific matchup against someone who plays 3 times more matchups than i do".
whatever happened to the good old days where random players were celebrated as more rugged and virile than the average gamer?
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Maybe because most random players nowadays are people perceived as cheesers on iccup, which most are. I don't know.
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On October 18 2009 16:12 Camlito wrote:
Maybe because most random players nowadays are people perceived as cheesers on iccup, which most are. I don't know.
everyone cheeses with every race on iccup
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Like I said it's just not fun to play against random when you lose because of them being random, so it can be like cheese.
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No random lets everyone know their match up before hand and can practice for it. Random just makes things lame and for some people who are against it, its unfair and more importantly unfun not knowing the race you are against until you scout them a few minutes in
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Answer me this - why do players choose random? I can only think of reasons where it gives you an advantage.
I'm not really sure how del not allowing people to play random is lame in this tournment.. What's lame is people bitching they can't pick random most likely because they do not want to play someone straight up in a normal match. If you need to be able to go random to win games you are the one that is lame buddy.
As I said earlier, personally I would rather see some good games played where it is on an even playing field and that's more likely to happen when random is not allowed!
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random is allowed in progames as gtr says and part of the whole point of playing it is because it does give you an early game advantage and force your opponent into more conservative builds. I appreciate that most players these are mindless robots who one or two builds, but like I said, random is a legit race in itself and should be allowed. It shouldn't even warrant debate. Where Eri when we need him?
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people play be for fun and for some people that means playing all races dancers.
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Let's continue the discussion on teamaus.org so it gets more traffic cos as it is we're making too many pages in this and cluttering it up.
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On October 18 2009 09:52 SoMuchBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2009 22:45 Backlash wrote:On October 17 2009 11:18 SoMuchBetter wrote:
im gay msg me for some cock some time big boy uh... ill pass on your offer for gay sex but im willing to play a few games of starcraft with you sometime
FREEEZE!!!!!!!!!
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Dunno what race you wanna play LoSt :D
Sign ups will probably stop this weekend so I can organise some brackets for the state team seeding tourneys.
If you wanna participate sign up this week, otherwise you may have to wait until after the preliminary tourneys!
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On October 18 2009 15:30 SoMuchBetter wrote:
players are such giant sissy wimps these days. "boo-hoo i cant cope with not doing exactly the same opening i always do in a specific matchup against someone who plays 3 times more matchups than i do".
whatever happened to the good old days where random players were celebrated as more rugged and virile than the average gamer?
they're taking it too seriously these days
it ain't the korean league kids , just a bit of fun
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On October 18 2009 15:24 SoMuchBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2009 13:58 Raiju wrote:On October 18 2009 12:54 GTR wrote:
Actually it's allowed, it's just that no one randoms because it's too hard to master nine matchups yet alone three. You have to choose 1 race 4 entire MSL or OSL. youre wrong, GTR is right
Mixed reports, but apparently u have to choose the 1 race OR Random at the start of the Tourney and can't change the whole way through.
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Why does it say Semu is D-? lol.
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Any ideas for team names guys?
Also Cam:
SeMu
Zerg
Northern Territory
D-
Self proclaimed best Zerg in Norther Territory =)
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random seems fair because in return for having a little more information at the start of the game than your opponent, you have to practise all races, not just one (and all matchups)
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On October 20 2009 14:19 JohnColtrane wrote:
random seems fair because in return for having a little more information at the start of the game than your opponent, you have to practise all races, not just one (and all matchups)
No the R will practice 3 races 1 matchup of each, and the other guy will practice one race and 3 matchups. And on top of that he doesn't know which MU it is at the start.
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SeMu = XianG[KiS]
Definately not D- considering he was the best zerg in Australia a few years ago when teamaus was active ; )
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On October 20 2009 14:35 DancerS_au wrote:
SeMu = XianG[KiS]
Definately not D- considering he was the best zerg in Australia a few years ago when teamaus was active ; )
Yah but he gets to not diclose his rank like everyone else Will keep previous stats in mind when making brackets though (like if it is top seed vs last then obv smurf ranks don't count).
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On October 20 2009 14:33 iCCup.deL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 14:19 JohnColtrane wrote:
random seems fair because in return for having a little more information at the start of the game than your opponent, you have to practise all races, not just one (and all matchups) No the R will practice 3 races 1 matchup of each, and the other guy will practice one race and 3 matchups. And on top of that he doesn't know which MU it is at the start.
i dont see how this works
let's say i practise TvP, ZvP and PvP only. What if i random as a P and he is a T? What if he is a Z? What if random as a Z, and he is a Z? and so forth
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On October 20 2009 15:16 JohnColtrane wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 14:33 iCCup.deL wrote:On October 20 2009 14:19 JohnColtrane wrote:
random seems fair because in return for having a little more information at the start of the game than your opponent, you have to practise all races, not just one (and all matchups) No the R will practice 3 races 1 matchup of each, and the other guy will practice one race and 3 matchups. And on top of that he doesn't know which MU it is at the start. i dont see how this works let's say i practise TvP, ZvP and PvP only. What if i random as a P and he is a T? What if he is a Z? What if random as a Z, and he is a Z? and so forth
The thing is, you will know the opponent's race before the game begins. So that if they are Random they just have the one race to practice against, but 3 to practice with while the guy who chooses a race will have one to use but 3 to practice against (and then he has to practice keeping in mind he won't know what they will be).
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On October 20 2009 14:15 iCCup.deL wrote:Any ideas for team names guys?Also Cam: Show nested quote +SeMu
Zerg
Northern Territory
D-
Self proclaimed best Zerg in Norther Territory =)
Hiding your rank sure is fair.
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On October 20 2009 15:38 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 14:15 iCCup.deL wrote:Any ideas for team names guys?Also Cam: SeMu
Zerg
Northern Territory
D-
Self proclaimed best Zerg in Norther Territory =) Hiding your rank sure is fair.
If you do it and I don't know about it when when doing the tournament worst vs best in state to determine seedings you will just be up against a top player and might get knocked out early so... It's just that they are allowed to not disclose it if they wish there is nothing at all wrong with it. Lying about it is not really on but I take this as just not wanting to submit it.
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On October 20 2009 15:43 iCCup.deL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 15:38 Camlito wrote:On October 20 2009 14:15 iCCup.deL wrote:Any ideas for team names guys?Also Cam: SeMu
Zerg
Northern Territory
D-
Self proclaimed best Zerg in Norther Territory =) Hiding your rank sure is fair. If you do it and I don't know about it when when doing the tournament worst vs best in state to determine seedings you will just be up against a top player and might get knocked out early so... It's just that they are allowed to not disclose it if they wish there is nothing at all wrong with it. Lying about it is not really on but I take this as just not wanting to submit it.
Well he and etude can do it but you know my rank and how it changes daily so i don't have a choice lol.
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On October 20 2009 15:46 Camlito wrote:
Well he and etude can do it but you know my rank and how it changes daily so i don't have a choice lol.
I know Etude's rank too. The point is that they are not smurfing or trying to hide who they are so I don't see a problem with it, and if you want you can have an anonymous rank too but like with the other anonymous entries I will still have a rough idea of where they are in the state rankings so will pair them with appropriate players in the seeding tourament.
Anyway TEAM NAMES!
We have a few options, some are better than others but maybe people can thing of some good examples:
1. Based on pro-teams (e.g. SAWA Rolsters, VICTAS Entus)
2. Based on sporting teams (e.g. QLDNT Reds, SAWA United, VICTAS Victory)
3. Based on animals or other icons of the state (e.g. NSWACT Funnel Webs, SAWA Sharks)
4. Based on a nickname (e.g. A play on the state initials or something)
5. All of the above but just for the primary state OR one that covers both states
6. Community submitted ideas
If you wanted to make a tag too that would be cool.
If we are splitting VIC up (looks very likely) you can do two names for the VIC teams or if the distribution between Melb and the rest of VIC is reasonable then there are two diff team names there.
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Lol please no SAWA Rolster, KT Rolster is bad enough (no offense)
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On October 20 2009 15:57 Camlito wrote:
Lol please no SAWA Rolster, KT Rolster is bad enough (no offense)
Can use MagicNs too Better than SAWA Hero lol
SAWA Sparkyz or SAWA Stars has a ring to it
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On October 20 2009 15:32 iCCup.deL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2009 15:16 JohnColtrane wrote:On October 20 2009 14:33 iCCup.deL wrote:On October 20 2009 14:19 JohnColtrane wrote:
random seems fair because in return for having a little more information at the start of the game than your opponent, you have to practise all races, not just one (and all matchups) No the R will practice 3 races 1 matchup of each, and the other guy will practice one race and 3 matchups. And on top of that he doesn't know which MU it is at the start. i dont see how this works let's say i practise TvP, ZvP and PvP only. What if i random as a P and he is a T? What if he is a Z? What if random as a Z, and he is a Z? and so forth The thing is, you will know the opponent's race before the game begins. So that if they are Random they just have the one race to practice against, but 3 to practice with while the guy who chooses a race will have one to use but 3 to practice against (and then he has to practice keeping in mind he won't know what they will be).
yes dude, overall you have to be proficient in every matchup. a few days beforehand isnt going to cut it =/
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whoeva said VIC or QLD Fire... that is not cool.
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Potential State team names based on proleague teams:
NSWACT ACENSWACT MagicNsQLDNT KHANQLDNT MagicNsSAWA StarsSAWA Sparkyz
SAWA SouLVICTAS Entus
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why not have non-proteam rip offs? Like orignial names?
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On October 21 2009 12:26 BookTwo wrote:
why not have non-proteam rip offs? Like orignial names?
It's hard to get everyone to agree on one. Like animals or other state icons are kinda lame and also will differ from state to state. Colours are a bit boring. Not much else to choose from.
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I propose the QLDNT team be named the QLDNT Sombreros! Why can't a team be named after an inanimate object instead of an animal or some other thing? Also it gets hot in both QLD and NT so Sombreros would be useful. Who is with me!
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I think we should rip off QANTAS (Queensland And Northern Territory Air Service) with either of these:
- Queensland And Northern Territory Allied Starcraft
- Queensland And Northern Territory Ass-kicking Squad
- Queensland And Northern Territory Armed Soldiers
- Queensland And Northern Territory Anti-Semites
- Queensland And Northern Territory Aroused Sausages
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State team pages on iCCup.com:
NSWACT
QLDNT
SAWA
VICTAS
They have crappy avatars atm but we can make better ones later.
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Just make it NSW Blues, 'cause ACT is in NSW anyway, and Blues is our actual SoO team name.
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On October 21 2009 15:23 chogoling wrote:Just make it NSW Blues, 'cause ACT is in NSW anyway, and Blues is our actual SoO team name.
Was thinking twoblues cos of NSW sky blue and ACT's navy blues
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BTW those teams are for both A and B teamers for now, it's just to keep everyone together and in contact. I set up some games for the 1st Nov when the A and B teams should be decided so you can warm up with NSWACT vs. VICTAS and SAWA vs. QLDNT.
If you wanna make the 'official' teams once A and B are chosen (and you are free to have other clan wars as a team against other clans if you can organise it) the captains will do it.
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why dont we let the teams name themselves once theyre formed?
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Because the teams will have 5-6 people who won't agree, it's easier if I just make a reasonable name. If it turn out that people think of a better one then we can rename it or change this one to the B-team or w/e.
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B thankful for the event and embrace the names yo
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The team names hardly matter your actions will speak louder!
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Confirmed with Colbi of EG that the winner of this tournament will have a showmatch with Team Evil Geniuses, with more information to be released closer to the date!
Next weekend we will be having the seeding tournaments so this weekend the map pool will be released and more information disclosed.
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the names are awesome imo
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D Rank 1a2a3a toss player from Perth here, interested in signing on :D
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Made a draft map pool:
For the 5 weeks of the main competition there will be a designated map for the week which your first game of the BO3 will be on, and then the losing player chooses the next map from this map pool. The choice of maps doesn't overlap so you can't choose a map in the 2v2 section for a 1v1 game and vice versa.
1v1 - 14 maps
Fighting Spirit
Match Point
Outsider SE 2.0
Heartbreak Ridge 1.2
Destination 1.1
Neo Medusa 2.1
Andromeda
Carthage 3.0
Colosseum II
Tau Cross
Byzantium III
Blue Storm
Othello
Wuthering Heights
2v2 - 10 maps
Python
Arcadia 2
Gaia
Byzantium III
Colosseum II
Othello
God's Garden
Reverse Temple
Nostalgia
Vampire
Open to suggestions about exclusion or addition of maps.
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Anyone think of one or two relatively fair old maps to add for some of the players who are coming out of inactivity?
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Rush Hour III, Blue Storm, Tau Cross or Peaks are all pretty good.
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reluctant to include RH3 when you can choose any map Can maybe squeeze sin peaks of baekdu in there? Not overly familiar with it.
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R-Point
Luna The Final
Ride of Valkryies
Paranoid Android
Neo Requiem
Lost Temple
Halls of Valhalla
Rush Hour III
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teamaus.org is always down these days ...
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SEEDING TOURNAMENT THIS WEEKEND!
More info:
HERE
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Updated main post - down the bottom - with a breakdown of where the players are from and the races :D Also added contacts and replacement players.
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This Wednesday PureKnight, X-LoSt and myself (and maybe Predator and dAncerS too) are going to have an admin meeting to discuss ideas and iron out some details for the competition so be sure to check back after then for updates!
Speaking of which, I updated the OP with news about Team EG vs. the winning State Team.
Don't forget, we are planning to have most if not all of the seeding tournaments complete by next week!
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If booktwo reads this, can you please message me, i have no idea of any way of how to contact you for our match for the seeding tournament ><
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Have you decided the 2 older maps to use? RoV and Rush Hour are both pretty nice (and both in ICC map-pack iirc)
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There is a country named Australia???? And people play STARCRAFT there?????
Great!!
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On November 02 2009 19:37 Ftrunkz wrote:
If booktwo reads this, can you please message me, i have no idea of any way of how to contact you for our match for the seeding tournament ><
Tried PMing him on TL?
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I am without internet for 1-2 weeks at most so for now PureKnight_au, dAncerS, and Predator_au may have to help you out and answer questions.
It will be unlikely that my internet is up in time to be there for the tourney this sunday but I will try and get PK to turn up otherwise PM or email me all info, dramas, results, etc.
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BebOTerran here aka eK.PeaVey and PeaVey[AutO] , ill be using this name from now on , please dont forget me in this round of tourny >_<!
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Western Australia Terran C-/C reporting... PeaVey X-RaCer ZzangDreamS now using BebOTerran
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Made some updates to rank, hopefully you can confirm:
X-EdgE reached C+ (from C/C+)
ttSeason reached C+ (from C-)
PerfectHydra reached C+ (From C)
dAncerS reached C (from C-)
Also a reminder - the format will be similar to proleague and the team captain will organise with the teams a date and time for the game as well as the lineup. This will be submitted in confidence without knowledge of the opposing team's lineup. Games will be 4 1v1s and a 2v2 game and you will state first and second replacements for each game in case someone cannot show up at the scheduled time. If you know early that not enough players can show up, your state's B-team will acts as a 'shadow team' from which you can pick replacements if you do it with enough time to spare before the games and inform the opponent.
Will compile some more detailed instructions and any relevant rules later but for now I only just got internet back :3 Cheers.
For now I need to hear from anyone interested in becoming a Team Captain!
Already have X-EdgE as having expressed interest in leading SAWA/WASA.
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So we can expect teams to be decided this weekend Del and co.?
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Bumping this for possible team lists. Del any word?
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Yeah very soon I just had a postponed exam to complete, which I did today and if I am awake enough I can get on with posting info rules and teams
Sorry for all the delays but with me being busy/away for 3 weeks because of uni and then this postponed exam I have not had much time to talk to PureKnight.
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