• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:03
CEST 08:03
KST 15:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced62
StarCraft 2
General
Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025) The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025
Tourneys
RSL Season 2 Qualifier Links and Dates StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Global Tourney for College Students in September Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
StarCon Philadelphia BW General Discussion Where is technical support? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 635 users

[q] Cost of worker loss compared to... - Page 3

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-03 15:27:02
November 03 2008 15:11 GMT
#41
This is all very interesting, but in an actual game you also have to measure countering damage due to the harassing player sacrificing units for superior economy, not just the loss of single units.

I know it might be obvious for some, I'm just saying...

or mathematically formulated: calculate the time to replace the lost units from the economy advantage gained
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
November 03 2008 15:21 GMT
#42
On November 03 2008 23:24 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2008 14:35 Chill wrote:
Zileas solved this equation a LONG time ago.

90n + 25n*(n+1)

as taken from http://www.zileas.com/strategies/wc3/realcost.phtml


This is for wc3, it would have quite different numbers in bw, because income progression isn't linear and costs are different, e.t.c.


OMFG I'm so dumb.

He did it for BW too first. I never knew he did it for WC3 so when I saw "The true cost of Peons" I just assumed it was StarCraft without reading it. Goddamn.
Moderator
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
November 03 2008 16:36 GMT
#43
you also have to take into account the mental/psychology value in the case of losing scv to probe hit/run micro
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
Guilty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada812 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-03 17:41:14
November 03 2008 17:40 GMT
#44
the anwser is 23.... OMG!! He Wrote The BOOK!!!



[Edit] Yeah i just saw that lil while go..
"How hard could it be?" -J. Clarkson
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
November 03 2008 17:55 GMT
#45
you also have to take into account that when the zealot is harassing you do shift your probes around to other mineral patches to make sure that the probe doesn't die, you spend a few seconds attacking the zealot with other probes (3? 4? depends) which takes up mining time, honestly the only way you can figure it out is just to do experiments: practice against it and see how many minerals you have, then do a few experiments to see how many minerals you have if you aren't harassed

that's the only way to do it
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
November 03 2008 18:08 GMT
#46
Sometimes the few seconds of swarming a zealot doesn't even hardly effect mining. probably at most a good 40 or so minerals.

Plus ramps and high grounds and natural defenses give you a little more advantages and hindrances that they would have to deal with if they wanted to end the game. Same would apply for them if they utilized it against you. Examples like neutral buildings, wallins, sim city's, mining an area that arbiter would recall. Manner pylon to increase efficiency of mining, or decrease theirs.. Rush distances. We all know this in the back of our minds, but it can heal a broken economy. little by little.

I always feel pretty lame if I get caught in a worker swarm with a zealot. cause it isn't too hard to dodge the probes or whatever, and like the potential is lost from the zealot.
Hoo Ra!
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
DaveTesta Events
00:00
Kirktown Co-op 1v1 Bash
davetesta7
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 197
ProTech7
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31651
ggaemo 520
Snow 142
Bale 22
Stormgate
WinterStarcraft716
Dota 2
monkeys_forever724
League of Legends
JimRising 556
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K751
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King281
Other Games
shahzam723
Livibee238
SortOf66
NeuroSwarm36
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1199
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH195
• practicex 51
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt462
• HappyZerGling101
Other Games
• Scarra914
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
3h 57m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4h 57m
Replay Cast
17h 57m
LiuLi Cup
1d 4h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 8h
RSL Revival
1d 19h
RSL Revival
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
RotterdaM Event
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.