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[G] Artosis's simcity guide to defend zealots

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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-24 21:32:45
November 24 2021 21:32 GMT
#1
I think it's awesome that Artosis is making guides for brood war in 2021. I hope you guys learn something from this or if it is review, maybe you can be happy that Artosis is making quality BW content

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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-25 15:42:19
November 25 2021 15:24 GMT
#2
(Wiki)List of Unit and Building Sizes

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7:30 in the clip he shows barracks top right of comman center, this is not a wall against zealot as zealot got 19 pixel in height and not 23 like an scv. Top of CC is 7 and Bot of Rax is 15, 15+7 = above 18 and below 23. Which is why SCV cant pass but zealot can.

Funny how he tried this with SCV and not Zealot instead xD

8:04 is the correct block.

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Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1441 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-25 18:29:22
November 25 2021 17:22 GMT
#3
Really nice by Artosis to do this and to stream so much BW in general.

The banner should read "First step of how to hold of Zealot rushes" though, to not raise false hope, because knowing how to do the semi-walls is the easy part, as his disciples will find out soon enough. ^^
The hard part is to keep the Zealots from killing half of your early SCVs because Zealots don't really care for one or two marines shooting at them.
And to not drop the ball on everything else until goons arrive.
zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary954 Posts
November 27 2021 21:12 GMT
#4
this creates a safe spot for marines

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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5194 Posts
November 27 2021 21:32 GMT
#5
My immediate thought was he needs to test with a zealot, not with an scv. It's cool he is trying to teach more noobs (his target audience ) about BW, but I hope he makes a correction so they don't get confused and frustrated when the zealot starts hitting their marine or flat out runs through the wall.

Marine at 6:23 can be hit by zealot from the bottom, the correct position is the middle of the barracks, not the middle of the 2 supply depots.

Better to delete and forget about this video and redo it with a zealot to avoid spreading misinformation.
FBH #1!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10246 Posts
November 28 2021 21:52 GMT
#6
On November 28 2021 06:32 Peeano wrote:
My immediate thought was he needs to test with a zealot, not with an scv. It's cool he is trying to teach more noobs (his target audience ) about BW, but I hope he makes a correction so they don't get confused and frustrated when the zealot starts hitting their marine or flat out runs through the wall.

Marine at 6:23 can be hit by zealot from the bottom, the correct position is the middle of the barracks, not the middle of the 2 supply depots.

Better to delete and forget about this video and redo it with a zealot to avoid spreading misinformation.

That would require Artosis to admit that he's wrong and show humility.
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ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
November 29 2021 15:00 GMT
#7
On November 29 2021 06:52 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2021 06:32 Peeano wrote:
My immediate thought was he needs to test with a zealot, not with an scv. It's cool he is trying to teach more noobs (his target audience ) about BW, but I hope he makes a correction so they don't get confused and frustrated when the zealot starts hitting their marine or flat out runs through the wall.

Marine at 6:23 can be hit by zealot from the bottom, the correct position is the middle of the barracks, not the middle of the 2 supply depots.

Better to delete and forget about this video and redo it with a zealot to avoid spreading misinformation.

That would require Artosis to admit that he's wrong and show humility.


hahahahah

+1 for you
Sic iter ad astra
GST1984
Profile Joined November 2021
1 Post
November 29 2021 16:04 GMT
#8
On November 26 2021 02:22 Highgamer wrote:
Really nice by Artosis to do this and to stream so much BW in general.

The banner should read "First step of how to hold of Zealot rushes" though, to not raise false hope, because knowing how to do the semi-walls is the easy part, as his disciples will find out soon enough. ^^
The hard part is to keep the Zealots from killing half of your early SCVs because Zealots don't really care for one or two marines shooting at them.
And to not drop the ball on everything else until goons arrive.


So much this. ^^

Semi-walls are only useful *IF* your marine can actually provide cover fire for the SCVs.

Here's a game in which Artosis GG'd to a combined Zealot rush + Pylon wall cheeser. If you look closely, you can even see Artosis attempt to snug a marine between a Barracks and Depot, only for the Zealot to snipe it.


arty vs zealot+pylon rush



IIIIIIIIIII2
Profile Joined December 2021
1 Post
December 18 2021 03:32 GMT
#9
Cool
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