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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
February 04 2005 11:12 GMT
#21
On February 04 2005 19:23 EvilTeletubby wrote:

Pretty muchly...


Stop saying that dammit.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
February 04 2005 11:49 GMT
#22
lol don't worry. For zvz, actually, the best thing to do is PLAY MASSIVE GAMES. There is no better way to understand it than that. Ofcourse, you can do things that can help u get through this faster... such as asking advice (which u did) watch gosu reps to see their reaction to other builds, and, what I think is most important, save the reps you LOSE, then study them.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
February 04 2005 16:51 GMT
#23
On February 04 2005 20:12 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2005 19:23 EvilTeletubby wrote:

Pretty muchly...


Stop saying that dammit.


Make me damnit.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Veigh
Profile Joined November 2003
Netherlands300 Posts
February 04 2005 17:07 GMT
#24
On February 04 2005 19:43 dronebabo wrote:
goddam son
its CHOKE
NOT chock
every single time that mistake comes up i wanna tear my balls off


Haha, your own balls? I assume ripping writers balls off will be more satisfying
Mirror matchups are imbalanced by definition
sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
February 04 2005 20:46 GMT
#25
Interesting ZvZ?It was really nooby ZvZ.Why the hell you have the overlord at his base if you don't look what is he doing?

That description sounds to me like you lack the basic skills,experience and strategic mind or simply brain.Play a lot and watch replays from WGTour b/c there are so many turtling players and you can see how to beat them.
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
February 04 2005 20:56 GMT
#26
so i had 72 but he raised so i reraised and he called
when he called he had 73 i knew 100% but then flop came K38 so i bet and he raised so i go allin and he CALLS OMFG ROFLNEWBO
but then board came 2 2 so i won ok LOLOLROZ WHAT I DO WRONG?
JAM THE FUCKER!
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
February 04 2005 20:57 GMT
#27
and lings rape mutas ok
fucking newb u need to be making only lings u suck LOL
JAM THE FUCKER!
Regentropfen
Profile Joined July 2004
Germany277 Posts
February 04 2005 22:02 GMT
#28
On February 01 2005 11:13 88)WhyYouKickMyDog wrote:
"natually i 9 pooled, with my 9 drones mining, 6 of my ling charged at his main."

you should have 10 drones mining when your 6 lings charge at his main -_-. learn good 9 pool builds too.


hmm, 9 pool 9 gas 8 ovi drone 3 lings is not a good 9 pool speed build in ur opinion?
i see it quite often and use it myself.....
War is not about whos right, its about whos left
88)WhyYouKickMyDog
Profile Joined July 2004
United States608 Posts
February 04 2005 23:13 GMT
#29
9 pool, 10/9 extractor trick, overlord, 6 lings
88)WhyYouKickMyDog
Profile Joined July 2004
United States608 Posts
February 04 2005 23:16 GMT
#30
for 9 pool speedlings, your build sounds like you have 8 drones. you should have 9.

9 pool, wait until 100 minerals to build 9 gas, then wait for 100 minerals, build lord, then 9/9 drone, then save up 3 larva. should have 3 larva a little less than 1 second after your pool finishes.
Regentropfen
Profile Joined July 2004
Germany277 Posts
February 05 2005 20:09 GMT
#31
8 ovi, +1 drone (supply = 8+1=9 drones) ovi finishes at same time as pool, 3 lings upgrade speed at 100 gas
hope i made it understandable enough now....

and in ur BO then 9/9 drone means building the 9th drone or building a drone at 9/9 (for a total of 10?
if the first, we are trying to describe the same builds :-)
War is not about whos right, its about whos left
my-baby
Profile Joined November 2004
United Kingdom176 Posts
February 06 2005 02:45 GMT
#32
simple, your retarded for doing 9 pool in those positions. Lings never get there on time because it is those two positions on lotem that are furthest apart.

He did an ok build by the sounds of it, but 2 sunken is excessive if you arent sending a drone.

You send your 6 lings, no drones - if he makes 2 SUNKENS - save lings, power drones after you have made your 6 lings and dont get speedlings, get lair with your first 100.

Expand. Especially since he will be LOW on zerglings and he will be low on money with the 2 spores as well.


You lost to that because of your inexperience. Play more zvz.
my baby !
my-baby
Profile Joined November 2004
United Kingdom176 Posts
February 06 2005 02:51 GMT
#33
please note, i wasnt referring to a specific build order. Just basic things you should do in this situation with any build.

i reccomend:

12 gas, 11 pool

13 hatch

totally depends what they do though.
my baby !
EchoOfRain
Profile Joined November 2004
United States516 Posts
February 06 2005 03:05 GMT
#34
evan my only advice is to learn how to FUCKING SPELL CHOKE
quote
evanthebouncy
Profile Joined November 2004
China491 Posts
February 06 2005 03:30 GMT
#35
On February 06 2005 12:05 EchoOfRain wrote:
evan my only advice is to learn how to FUCKING SPELL CHOKE

i know, i already learned, choke choke choke choke~
BOINK BOINK! Recursively defined
GuruOftheHasuType
Profile Joined January 2005
United Kingdom34 Posts
February 06 2005 05:44 GMT
#36
In those pos you should be building as many drones/hatcheries as possible before pool.
what?
GuruOftheHasuType
Profile Joined January 2005
United Kingdom34 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-02-06 05:45:50
February 06 2005 05:44 GMT
#37
It's not uncommon to do 4+ hatch before pool in those pos.
what?
88)WhyYouKickMyDog
Profile Joined July 2004
United States608 Posts
February 06 2005 07:17 GMT
#38
actually guru thats EXTREMELY uncommon
ZyPhReX
Profile Joined January 2003
1192 Posts
February 06 2005 09:14 GMT
#39
On February 04 2005 19:57 froZen_wYnd wrote:
hey, next time when u post, make sure ur post follows the title, ok?
=)
if u need help with certain things, put it in the title thx
itz disappointing coming here to expect an "interesting zvz" and only found out that u need help in a game u lost...


Amen.
Ghost Me
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
February 06 2005 11:32 GMT
#40
On January 28 2005 16:16 evanthebouncy wrote:
Thread closed, dont post here anymore, i want it to die.

So i played this guy zvz, i picked z, he pick random.
i was at 6 on LT map, my scouting lord scouted him at 9.
natually i 9 pooled, with my 9 drones mining, 6 of my ling charged at his main.
But he went 12 hatch pool, and by the time my ling get into his base, he's got 2 sunks just finished on either side of his mineral line. I run my lings back and blocked his chock. And when i c him gathering gas, i try to take down the extractor but failed, losing 6 lings.
Meanwhile he's got only 2 lings and 2 sunks and powering hard(i mean at least 15 drones)
I proceed to lair, and when my spire finishes, i noticed my lord is dieing under heavy fire from his spore(again on either side of the mineral line.)
i used my 3 mutas trying to harass him but the spores were well placed and the whole base is covered.
i run my mutas back and lost his main vision, i continue to hatch 3 more mutas, 1 min after, 30 lings showed up in my main, killed off spire and all drones, after i got his lings, i try to charge with muta at his main, but as i manage to took out one spore, 6 scourges poped out, killed 3 mutas so only 2 left.
I typed gg.
which part i did wrong?

edit:
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=27400
i added this interesting PvT of mine, so u dont come expecting to c an interesting rep only to find a losing battle.


"An interesting ZvZ" WTF?

-_- Name it "I need help with ZvZ"
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