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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
March 14 2009 03:58 GMT
#21
On March 14 2009 10:32 Mobius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 09:41 toopham wrote:
I watched the 2nd game of bisu vs best and I was in disbelief as to how this happened



+ Show Spoiler +

So the 2nd game they went same build.
except after robotics bisu go 2nd gate
while best go reaver into 3 gate

This is what I don't get. Bisu was able to expo and put up 3 more gates even before his macro from expo kick in.
While doing this he was able to pump more units than best. Enough to rape Best army with his shuttle with 2 reavers. I play T so my understanding of PvP is limited.
But what I know is if the other P go 1 gate expo like that ..
you can just go 3 gate reaver and rape that P. Bisu is just godly for being able to stop that.
Did he cut back some probes?
any gosus care to explain?


its because bisu is a dragon..
+ Show Spoiler +
kukah kukah!



Who kicked Best out of the 6 dragons?
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DeepGray
Profile Joined October 2008
United States214 Posts
March 14 2009 07:04 GMT
#22
On March 14 2009 12:58 l10f wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 10:32 Mobius wrote:
On March 14 2009 09:41 toopham wrote:
I watched the 2nd game of bisu vs best and I was in disbelief as to how this happened



+ Show Spoiler +

So the 2nd game they went same build.
except after robotics bisu go 2nd gate
while best go reaver into 3 gate

This is what I don't get. Bisu was able to expo and put up 3 more gates even before his macro from expo kick in.
While doing this he was able to pump more units than best. Enough to rape Best army with his shuttle with 2 reavers. I play T so my understanding of PvP is limited.
But what I know is if the other P go 1 gate expo like that ..
you can just go 3 gate reaver and rape that P. Bisu is just godly for being able to stop that.
Did he cut back some probes?
any gosus care to explain?


its because bisu is a dragon..
+ Show Spoiler +
kukah kukah!



Who kicked Best out of the 6 dragons?

Cannibalized by another Dragon?
+ Show Spoiler +
Like what Jangbi did to Stork tonight
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
March 14 2009 07:15 GMT
#23
Best teched to shuttle speed and reavers while Bisu expanded with those money. Best failed to kill ANYTHING with his reavers and I do believe that is what costed him the game.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
March 14 2009 07:17 GMT
#24
Yeah that was total maphacks from Bisu, too.
1a2a3aGG
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States225 Posts
March 14 2009 07:56 GMT
#25
Just watched the game! too awesome! Bisu is the poop for sure!
Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-14 18:25:34
March 14 2009 18:05 GMT
#26
Epik basically covered it...
17:40-9:25=8:15 battle
Best has 8g/3z/2reaver shuttle
Bisu engaged with 10g/3z
Then he gets +3g/1z halfway though for reinforcement
Then near end of battle he gets +2goons.
So Bisu was plain ahead in units and also looked to have better positioning.

For a more in depth look at how he can have more units while expanding earlier see my guide:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88846

What caused best to play like that though? Did he think bisu would go goon/reaver attack again like the last game, and that his speedshuttle would allow some harassment even if that meant he was a bit behind in units?

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mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
March 14 2009 22:21 GMT
#27
On March 14 2009 16:04 DeepGray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2009 12:58 l10f wrote:
On March 14 2009 10:32 Mobius wrote:
On March 14 2009 09:41 toopham wrote:
I watched the 2nd game of bisu vs best and I was in disbelief as to how this happened



+ Show Spoiler +

So the 2nd game they went same build.
except after robotics bisu go 2nd gate
while best go reaver into 3 gate

This is what I don't get. Bisu was able to expo and put up 3 more gates even before his macro from expo kick in.
While doing this he was able to pump more units than best. Enough to rape Best army with his shuttle with 2 reavers. I play T so my understanding of PvP is limited.
But what I know is if the other P go 1 gate expo like that ..
you can just go 3 gate reaver and rape that P. Bisu is just godly for being able to stop that.
Did he cut back some probes?
any gosus care to explain?


its because bisu is a dragon..
+ Show Spoiler +
kukah kukah!



Who kicked Best out of the 6 dragons?

Cannibalized by another Dragon?
+ Show Spoiler +
Like what Jangbi did to Stork tonight

DAMN IT I just got spoiled by this right before watching the match! Please consider writing the game ("MSL semi finals" for eg) cos a untitled spoiler tag in a context like this is really more like a trap.
BoxerForever.com - the one and only international Boxer fansite since 2006 :)
exkgb
Profile Joined September 2005
United States504 Posts
March 14 2009 23:00 GMT
#28
During an interview a while back about the taekbang era. Bisu had predicted that BeSt will be the next Bonjwa and the one to win the next OSL. Its interesting to see that Bisu is the one to knock BeSt out of the OSL.

Bisu's goon spread in that game was amazing. With his small group of goon to distract the reavers, he was able to move individual goons which were targetted by reaver away from the others so that the splash doesn't hurt him.
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