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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
Features: * Warns if your free supply gets low * Warns if your minerals/gas get to high and no unit is being build/you have larva * Notifies you if a depot/pylon is ready Feel free to create your own scripts and share them here. Yes I know that it gives you a slight advantage, but it is only relevant on the lowest ranks. Icc has been told how to detect it, so I advise against using it there. http://winner.cspsx.de/Starcraft/Tool/Chaoscoach.zip | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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TeXaS~
Italy29 Posts
anyway your job is great MoC congrats | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
can't wait to get back and try this out~ | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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Solidus_315
213 Posts
On February 26 2009 05:04 lokiM wrote: lol this is pretty much like a hack.. it is a hack | ||
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lammybammy
Australia11 Posts
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klizzer
517 Posts
Now, a BWCoach-esque thing for BOs... just dreaming | ||
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IPS.ZeRo
Germany1142 Posts
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
On February 26 2009 05:10 IPS.ZeRo wrote: you could include a small message at the start of the game that informs the opponent, although i haven't tried it i think it gives quite an advantage. Even the best players forget supplys from time to time in an action packed game. This is a good idea. This is going to be useful during practice. | ||
GTR
51550 Posts
Just only use it when sparring with friends. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4844 Posts
On February 26 2009 05:08 lammybammy wrote: can u maybe add a tool that reveals whole map? id like to use such thing to learn timing attacks properly, thanks in advance. Also an upgrade that gets these tedious macro stuff off your shoulders. Like, enhancing the script's power so that it can even decide what unit to produce on it's own, etc. I would love to focus on my micro, to produce better quality games. On a second thought, maybe we could upgrade the script so that it does micro for us, too, so we just watch over the battle like a true commander. I mean, commanding each individual unit real time? Have you ever heard of someone responsible for armies doing that? Where's the strategy, the greater concept, the underlying genius?! | ||
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lammybammy
Australia11 Posts
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Spartan
United States2030 Posts
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
On February 26 2009 05:08 lammybammy wrote: can u maybe add a tool that reveals whole map? id like to use such thing to learn timing attacks properly, thanks in advance. You might want to try Oblivion. I heard it has similar features. | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On February 26 2009 05:20 lammybammy wrote: how do u guys wall in on luna? i cant figure it out .......lol I don't think you can, if I remember correctly. Nice job MoC! | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On February 26 2009 05:33 thunk wrote: I don't think you can, if I remember correctly. Nice job MoC! not without 3-4 depots | ||
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asel
Germany1601 Posts
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
On February 26 2009 05:08 lammybammy wrote: can u maybe add a tool that reveals whole map? id like to use such thing to learn timing attacks properly, thanks in advance. Sounds like a good idea. I'll immediatly start to work on that. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
but thanks ! | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
and lol @ the sarcasm ...and at the broken detectors;0 | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
Hey MoC, can I make a request? I would REALLY REALLY like an addition to help with color blindness. If you had an option set that would change what shift>tab sets colors to, so that I can manually choose what color I show up as and what color my opponent shows up as, that would help me so much. Of course this would only help if it is something that's possible to be used on iccup. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Granted, if you run it in an actual competitive game (in a tourney or something), there'd be problems...but as long as you're just practicing, there's nothing wrong with it. | ||
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TT1
Canada10014 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
but for normal player, this may cause problems, at least for me... | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
and early game as terran i dont make supply until 9 and it makes a noise telling me to make a supply anyway. i am not using this. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On February 26 2009 08:32 ramen247 wrote: the freaking sounds are so annoying lfmao... and early game as terran i dont make supply until 9 and it makes a noise telling me to make a supply anyway. i am not using this. you can change script/sound by yourself | ||
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
On February 26 2009 08:32 ramen247 wrote: the freaking sounds are so annoying lfmao... and early game as terran i dont make supply until 9 and it makes a noise telling me to make a supply anyway. i am not using this. The more annoying the better I say...negative reinforcement FTW. | ||
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
On February 26 2009 08:32 ramen247 wrote: the freaking sounds are so annoying lfmao... and early game as terran i dont make supply until 9 and it makes a noise telling me to make a supply anyway. i am not using this. Well congratulations on not using it, here I think I big reward is in the offing for someone that turns down graciously provided tools and fails to read the OP, and then bitches about being nagged by sounds which is exactly their intended purpose, to nag you into playing better. Well done good sir, I commend you. | ||
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
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Hittegods
Stockholm4641 Posts
On February 26 2009 05:32 Centric wrote: You might want to try Oblivion. I heard it has similar features. That just went waaay over your head, didn't it? | ||
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tec27
United States3702 Posts
And yeah, I think adding a message to opponents at the beginning of a game would definitely be a good idea (If you don't hook into SC, I can give you some code I have for the RWA plugins that allows you to call SC functions from other processes)On February 26 2009 08:27 Cloud wrote: Does this include a clock?, if not, it should. Should also have like a configurable ideal supply counter or something, if thats possible. I dont know anything about coding so.. APMAlert has a game timer, so you could use that in conjunction with this. | ||
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TryThis
Canada1522 Posts
Sadly i think the day i buy an actual gaming PC will come alot sooner | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On February 26 2009 08:22 PH wrote: I don't see what's wrong with this as a trainer to help you get better... Granted, if you run it in an actual competitive game (in a tourney or something), there'd be problems...but as long as you're just practicing, there's nothing wrong with it. The fact that you CAN use it in a competitive games makes it bad. One solution to this is to somehow display a message to your opponent (and visible in the replay) that you are using it. I don't know if something like that has been implemented already | ||
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xJacky
China375 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 26 2009 09:02 Hittegods wrote: That just went waaay over your head, didn't it? Or yours...? :/ | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On February 26 2009 09:17 xJacky wrote: how do you edit this? with what program? notepad | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On February 26 2009 09:13 blabber wrote: The fact that you CAN use it in a competitive games makes it bad. One solution to this is to somehow display a message to your opponent (and visible in the replay) that you are using it. I don't know if something like that has been implemented already well, I'm sure (not sure, becuase I haven't figured out how to write scripts for it yet), but it's possible that you could have it use the chat function to put allied chat only that it's on. That would store it in the replay. The fact that iccup admins can detect it though means that it's not *that* big of a deal- the competitive ladder will be just fine. Since Iccup can detect it, it's a training tool- nothing more, nothing less. They'll probably toss it into their antihack launcher, so that you can't play games with this on as well as ah on. | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
Also I don't see how anyone gets better if they don't learn to check psi-count or mineralcount by theirselves. I hope this hack tells your opponent that its on.. and in the very beginning of the game before the hacker switches "to all" off.. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On February 26 2009 08:19 -orb- wrote: Oh hey cool Hey MoC, can I make a request? I would REALLY REALLY like an addition to help with color blindness. If you had an option set that would change what shift>tab sets colors to, so that I can manually choose what color I show up as and what color my opponent shows up as, that would help me so much. Of course this would only help if it is something that's possible to be used on iccup. You can modify the colors by changing the player colors with SCMDraft 2.0 and saving the map as .scx I made shift tabx2 for myself to be green instead of ugly ass teal. | ||
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
On February 26 2009 09:39 Piste wrote: of course this is a hack that gives an unfair advantage. Also I don't see how anyone gets better if they don't learn to check psi-count or mineralcount by theirselves. Having very similar thoughts. This surely is helpful, but I think it could have an opposite effect. Once this tool is on you dont have to think about minerals/supply and without being forced to focus on it you won't create a habbit of doing so. Makes sense? | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On February 26 2009 09:49 CharlieMurphy wrote: You can modify the colors by changing the player colors with SCMDraft 2.0 and saving the map as .scx I made shift tabx2 for myself to be green instead of ugly ass teal. Cool, but this is only for that map, yes? So if I play on iccup on someone else's map (since i can't host I always have to) the colors will go back to normal? | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
Yes I know that it gives you a slight advantage, but it is only relevant on the lowest ranks. Icc has been told how to detect it, so I advise against using it there. http://winner.cspsx.de/Starcraft/Tool/Chaoscoach.zip DAMN | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
So how do you get out of the habit of using it then? | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On February 26 2009 09:39 Piste wrote: of course this is a hack that gives an unfair advantage. Also I don't see how anyone gets better if they don't learn to check psi-count or mineralcount by theirselves. I hope this hack tells your opponent that its on.. and in the very beginning of the game before the hacker switches "to all" off.. If you don't like it, don't use it. And (going along with your thought process here, not necessarily agreeing) so what if it is a hack? ICC has been notified of how to detect it, there is a disclaimer not to use on ICC (and implies any type of competitive match), and was created with the intention of not using it later on (I'm sure B level players don't actively use the live APM tool). Stop bashing MoC. He's the man. And he's staff. | ||
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
On February 26 2009 09:51 [GMTA]_HumBug wrote: Having very similar thoughts. This surely is helpful, but I think it could have an opposite effect. Once this tool is on you dont have to think about minerals/supply and without being forced to focus on it you won't create a habbit of doing so. Makes sense? I disagree. It's like setting an alarm every day for a week to go off at 5am. If you turn it off on the 8th day you'll still probably wake up because your body is used to the timing. I think this has the potential to be a good macro training tool if people use it the right way. | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On February 26 2009 08:54 Kerotan wrote: Well congratulations on not using it, here I think I big reward is in the offing for someone that turns down graciously provided tools and fails to read the OP, and then bitches about being nagged by sounds which is exactly their intended purpose, to nag you into playing better. Well done good sir, I commend you. lol? it was just a review on the pros and cons... | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
Edit: urg, I haven't used chaoslauncher in a while and I'm getting two error messages (translated from swedish): "The program couldn't be started because lualib5.dll could not be found"" and "could not load plugin 'G:\spel\starcraft\chaoslauncher\chaoscoach\chaoscoach.bwl' cannot find the module" Edit2: I run vista on a dell laptop. | ||
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tec27
United States3702 Posts
On February 26 2009 11:37 Osmoses wrote: Imma give this a whirl... Edit: urg, I haven't used chaoslauncher in a while and I'm getting two error messages (translated from swedish): "The program couldn't be started because lualib5.dll could not be found"" and "could not load plugin 'G:\spel\starcraft\chaoslauncher\chaoscoach\chaoscoach.bwl' cannot find the module" Those are basically the same error (the first error causes the second to occur). Make sure you've extracted all the files in the zip file, because lualib5.dll is included (and therefore should be found by the plugin). | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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tec27
United States3702 Posts
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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QibingZero
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
If anything, it might make you reliant on these sound alerts rather than looking up the resource counter or developing your own internal clocks or whatever. Which can be worse in the long run. Being depedant on third party applications is never a good thing. The idea is OK, though. If you could have alerts guiding through a BO, that may be cool, like BWCoach I think, for practice. Past practice it would be useless as well - once you got everything memorized, you don't need sound alerts at all. You know when you screw up, no need for buzzers. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On February 26 2009 13:17 QibingZero wrote: If this is a hack, then so is playing with a friend next to you mentioning these type of things. well, and you're not supposed to do this either when you're playing competitively.... | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On February 26 2009 13:57 Yurebis wrote: I don't see how people can consider this a hack. All the info this program provides is available in the UI. Supply, minerals, and building completion sounds are all in the game already. So you would not mind if I made a plugin that warns you from incomming dropships into your vision? Because thats also availiable from the GUI. btw. I consider this no unfair advantage, because as already said someone could stand behind you and tell you about all that stuff (includeing incomming dropships). This is just for the poor lonely fuckers who have noone to stand behind them and teach them. This is like KeyCraft, APM-Live, BWChart and such, sure it gives you an advantage but its so little its still a very fair game. Its not like you suddenly win 90% of the games vs an opponent you lost 90% of the games before such tools. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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Wurzelbrumpft
Germany471 Posts
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kNife
Malaysia70 Posts
train by your way | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On February 27 2009 20:40 Wurzelbrumpft wrote: Does anybody know a way to use APM alert on iccup? If i open the launcher and click on chaos plugin settings there´s no option for it, and i really like to play with the clock and live apm. you cant, because its using code manipulation and that would be detected as hack by the AntiHack of ICC. | ||
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Pandapropaganda
1 Post
once i start the chaoslauncher i get these 2 error msges (translatet from german) Could not start the programm, since MSVCR71.dll could not be found. Could not load Plugin: "D:starcraft/starcraft/Chaoscoach.bwl" Error: the modual has not been found. the launcher works normal nothing is different but, i can t use any coach tools actually they are not even listed... anybody knows how to solve this problem? Thanks in advance | ||
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
Redownload, the file is now included | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
but.....I don't see how people can consider this a hack. All the info this program provides is available in the UI. That doesn't make any sense at all. | ||
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h4xh4xh4x
Canada90 Posts
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
Basically this is someone standing over your shoulder and watching the game... Which does give an unfair advantage up to the point where people's macros start getting to be really good. Now if he added an alert to tell you when an opponent's unit shows up in the minimap... then I'll consider it a hack because even progamers have a delay in seeing drops. | ||
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
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Narrator
United States868 Posts
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gorchiza
Bulgaria200 Posts
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United States10328 Posts
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dirtnap
United States20 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
On March 08 2009 08:34 dirtnap wrote: is there a way to play entropy with this? If entropy requires another launcher you can can use the attach feature of chaoslauncher. Simply choose Attach from the tray menu while SC is running and you have the correct version selected. Some plugins like W-Mode won't work, but the coach probably will. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On February 26 2009 05:08 lammybammy wrote: can u maybe add a tool that reveals whole map? id like to use such thing to learn timing attacks properly, thanks in advance. this please! | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On February 26 2009 05:33 thunk wrote: I don't think you can, if I remember correctly. Nice job MoC! u can wall with 3 depots if i remember right ( although who would have the time/money to place 3 of them and coming out ahead) | ||
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SickTighT
United States337 Posts
rofl don't forget to add godmode and reduce build times! | ||
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petzergling
538 Posts
On February 26 2009 08:32 ramen247 wrote: the freaking sounds are so annoying lfmao... and early game as terran i dont make supply until 9 and it makes a noise telling me to make a supply anyway. i am not using this. Dude thats the whole point, its supposed to be annoying. If you aren't going to use it fine, then don't post. Why do you always have to be so negative constantly? do you ever contribute to the community? | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On March 02 2009 20:18 h4xh4xh4x wrote: Seconding the color-blindness plugin to changing the shift-tab colors to something specific. It is such an unfair advantage that I cant really see when someone is on my mini-map due to not being able to tell colors apart. This would help me (and others im sure) so much. It would be really greatly appreciated if you could look into it with this you can change the minimap-colors of the players. values from 0 to 255 are possible. the color number relation can change with the map, this is just a simple cheat engine trainer so dont expect to much. http://www.easy-share.com/c/1903970818 http://www.speedshare.org/download.php?id=5B580E7511 oh, this does not change the Shift + Tab Colors but the Normal Colors. | ||
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dirtnap
United States20 Posts
On March 09 2009 03:55 MasterOfChaos wrote: If entropy requires another launcher you can can use the attach feature of chaoslauncher. Simply choose Attach from the tray menu while SC is running and you have the correct version selected. Some plugins like W-Mode won't work, but the coach probably will. awesome that works. thanks | ||
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s.ilk
11 Posts
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
notepad++ my friend notepad++... awesome | ||
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