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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
January 15 2009 02:16 GMT
#81
4. Jaedong went (I only counted once, and there were a lot of games. I may be off by one or two) 81-41 in 2008. Most valuable Zerg? You bet.

You know you can set a timeframe for the games in the TLPD right? IE Jan 01 2008 to Dec 31 2008, then you don't have to count

Excellent write-up, and I agree with most conclusions. Things like Savior going from a killing machine to a chump at ZvP, Stork going from a BARELY 50% PvZ to an at least decent level, really did help statistics.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
January 15 2009 10:07 GMT
#82
dragons hate hydralisk >.<
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
January 15 2009 10:31 GMT
#83
On January 14 2009 02:13 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2009 00:49 lgdDante wrote:
On January 14 2009 00:14 Jaksiel wrote:
Zero is frustratingly inconsistent, but I too have hope that he can put it together.

Live for the swarm!

I think that every day there's more and more evidence that zero was just overachieving the first half of this round, rather than underachieving these last 3-4 weeks.


Hence...inconsistent. I'm not really sure what you're arguing against.

That's not being inconsistent, it's over achieving for a short period of time. Just because he is now playing more around his normal level doesn't make him inconsistent, just not as good as we all thought he was a few weeks ago.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
January 15 2009 11:39 GMT
#84
+ Show Spoiler [MSL Ro32 Group A] +
2009 has arrived.
Bisu was destroyed.
The State of the Swarm is good
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 14:00:15
January 15 2009 13:37 GMT
#85
On January 15 2009 20:39 redtooth wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [MSL Ro32 Group A] +
2009 has arrived.
Bisu was destroyed.
The State of the Swarm is good


Our current 10 best Zergs (ELO)

1 (Z)Jaedong (OSL, MSL)
2 (Z)EffOrt (No individual league)
3 (Z)YellOw[ArnC] (OSL, MSL)
4 (Z)July (OSL)
5 (Z)Luxury (OSL, MSL)
6 (Z)by.hero (OSL, MSL)
7 (Z)sAviOr (MSL)
8 (Z)Calm (No individual league)
9 (Z)GGPlay (OSL)
10 (Z)type-b (No individual league)

And...

+ Show Spoiler +
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7290 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 14:16:04
January 15 2009 14:14 GMT
#86
get the fuck out to the guy who said zerg has a harder time coming back than terran and toss.

Toss and Zerg can harass BIG TIME, you also have great spellcasters that affect general areas. Only way for T to come back is to try to get someone to attack you or exp and hope they dont find it. If they just sit back and exp theres nothing you can do.


IMO zergs just need to abuse more, and macro harder ala the early savior days, especially vs mech. I dont get why mutas are made vs protoss either....seems like a huge waste when they FE. The zerg ends up being unable to harass and just gets run over by mass zeal anyway.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
nK)Duke
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany936 Posts
January 15 2009 15:38 GMT
#87
On January 15 2009 23:14 Sadist wrote:
get the fuck out to the guy who said zerg has a harder time coming back than terran and toss.

Toss and Zerg can harass BIG TIME, you also have great spellcasters that affect general areas. Only way for T to come back is to try to get someone to attack you or exp and hope they dont find it. If they just sit back and exp theres nothing you can do.


IMO zergs just need to abuse more, and macro harder ala the early savior days, especially vs mech. I dont get why mutas are made vs protoss either....seems like a huge waste when they FE. The zerg ends up being unable to harass and just gets run over by mass zeal anyway.


lol
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 15 2009 15:45 GMT
#88
On January 15 2009 23:14 Sadist wrote:
get the fuck out to the guy who said zerg has a harder time coming back than terran and toss.

Toss and Zerg can harass BIG TIME, you also have great spellcasters that affect general areas. Only way for T to come back is to try to get someone to attack you or exp and hope they dont find it. If they just sit back and exp theres nothing you can do.


IMO zergs just need to abuse more, and macro harder ala the early savior days, especially vs mech. I dont get why mutas are made vs protoss either....seems like a huge waste when they FE. The zerg ends up being unable to harass and just gets run over by mass zeal anyway.


You get the fuck out. Watch some games. Terrans can bunker rush and fail, sunken break and fail, lose two dropships and fail and still comeback and win comfortably. In ZvT zerg is far more heavily punished by mistakes. If you can't see that then you're either blind or irretrievably terran-biased.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10798 Posts
January 15 2009 15:46 GMT
#89
Toss and Zerg can harass BIG TIME, you also have great spellcasters that affect general areas. Only way for T to come back is to try to get someone to attack you or exp and hope they dont find it. If they just sit back and exp theres nothing you can do.


rofl..

Ever heard of:
M&M drops or Vulture harass?
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
January 15 2009 15:52 GMT
#90
On January 15 2009 23:14 Sadist wrote:
get the fuck out to the guy who said zerg has a harder time coming back than terran and toss.

Toss and Zerg can harass BIG TIME, you also have great spellcasters that affect general areas. Only way for T to come back is to try to get someone to attack you or exp and hope they dont find it. If they just sit back and exp theres nothing you can do.


IMO zergs just need to abuse more, and macro harder ala the early savior days, especially vs mech. I dont get why mutas are made vs protoss either....seems like a huge waste when they FE. The zerg ends up being unable to harass and just gets run over by mass zeal anyway.


wtf

great write up!

the Swarm will definitely own 2009 with EffOrt (and ok.. Savior) leading the way ^^
fromis_9 enjoyer
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
January 15 2009 16:23 GMT
#91
It seems that there will be plenty of zergs in the Ro16 for both the MSL and the OSL. The maps have changed to favor zerg, especially Tears of the Moon which prevents the FE build. A certain zerg-killing master is no longer around.

The swarm should be fine this time around. Hopefully we'll actually get to see some TvZs and PvZs this time around in the starleagues.

Meh
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7290 Posts
January 15 2009 16:37 GMT
#92
On January 16 2009 00:46 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
Toss and Zerg can harass BIG TIME, you also have great spellcasters that affect general areas. Only way for T to come back is to try to get someone to attack you or exp and hope they dont find it. If they just sit back and exp theres nothing you can do.


rofl..

Ever heard of:
M&M drops or Vulture harass?


ever heard of muta and goon + cannon?

its very difficult to harass as terran, and if they set up a defense you really cant do shit, whereas reaver or muta can almost ALWAYS pick shit off.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 15 2009 18:30 GMT
#93
On January 16 2009 01:37 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2009 00:46 Velr wrote:
Toss and Zerg can harass BIG TIME, you also have great spellcasters that affect general areas. Only way for T to come back is to try to get someone to attack you or exp and hope they dont find it. If they just sit back and exp theres nothing you can do.


rofl..

Ever heard of:
M&M drops or Vulture harass?


ever heard of muta and goon + cannon?

its very difficult to harass as terran, and if they set up a defense you really cant do shit, whereas reaver or muta can almost ALWAYS pick shit off.

Troll, The topic wasn't even complaining, unlike you.
Jaedong
radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
January 15 2009 18:54 GMT
#94
ehhh he's probably better than all of you combined
impatience is a virtue
radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
January 15 2009 18:55 GMT
#95
you people are just bandwagon flamers
impatience is a virtue
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
March 23 2009 12:58 GMT
#96
This thread needs a bump.

Considering the events in the starleagues and WL, I think it's safe to say that our state is very fucking good.

+ Show Spoiler [ racewar spoiler] +
owned that too. Bisu vs Savior
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-23 15:00:09
March 23 2009 14:59 GMT
#97
On March 23 2009 21:58 TheTyranid wrote:
This thread needs a bump.

Considering the events in the starleagues and WL, I think it's safe to say that our state is very fucking good.

+ Show Spoiler [ racewar spoiler] +
owned that too. Bisu vs Savior


+ Show Spoiler [ haven't you heard?] +
bisu sucks
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 23 2009 15:04 GMT
#98
On March 23 2009 23:59 nttea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2009 21:58 TheTyranid wrote:
This thread needs a bump.

Considering the events in the starleagues and WL, I think it's safe to say that our state is very fucking good.

+ Show Spoiler [ racewar spoiler] +
owned that too. Bisu vs Savior


+ Show Spoiler [ haven't you heard?] +
bisu sucks


+ Show Spoiler [ Does it matter?] +
It's 2009
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 23 2009 15:06 GMT
#99
Bisu does not suck, lol.

People are so ridiculous sometimes.
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