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isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 19:26:54
January 15 2009 16:15 GMT
#581
On January 16 2009 01:05 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2009 23:42 Pioneer wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I wonder how many people dropped Bisu and added Savior after last night? ;D


Me dropped BiSu for flash.

Im thinking of putting him back.+ Show Spoiler +
Mostly because he'll only be able to focus on PL now
KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
xxsaznpride
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States506 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 16:38:17
January 15 2009 16:37 GMT
#582
Team name: Tossgirl and Her Talented Team
(2) (Z)sAviOr
(8) (T)Flash (Captain)
(10) (Z)Jaedong
(1) (T)ToSsGirL
(2) (P)Horang2
(7) (P)JangBi

(0) KTF MagicNs

My reasoning? Should be an interesting read for people who know what they're doing.
+ Show Spoiler +
First off, I'd like to say that I have no idea what I'm doing. I've pored over stats, recent wins, names, ELO rankings (which BISU DROPPED HAHAHAHAHAH YES), and other such info. No, I didn't read that thread about HOW to pick your teams as I prefer people to pick how they want (people they like; all 0 cost, play to win, etc) instead of following set guidelines. For all the people who read this AND have knowledge of what in the hell they're doing, correct me if I'm wrong as I'd wanna win round 4 or whatever by learning from my mistakes.

Anyway... point 1: PvZ is dead. How is it dead? Well, whoever watched MSL Group A knows that Bisu got totally dismantled by Savior and Zero (if you didn't, now you do... and Magma put up a fight). From the look of those games, the solution was to never engage the Protoss rapemachine of ZelChon, but instead to harass the flying fuck out of his bases (oh and to exploit his negligence in micro from the 3 games he played). He (Bisu) seemed to never have his forces in position to defend against Zero and Savior's forces. At the same time, Savior's furious expoing (triple expo early on?) and the map itself are possible contributors to the downfall of one hailed "the next bonjwa" (yeahh... no, we'll see this happen when FBH massacres Free, Jangbi, and Best in one night), but hey, apparently where 2 ramps into a main was unfair, Bisu couldn't even defend 1. I took his ass out of my lineup FAST because he's already useless in an entire match-up, subbing in the obligatory Savior. Not because he raped Bisu, but because he knocked that Group-F-making whorebag out of the MSL (no credit goes to Zero for sealing the deal or anything, nope).

Don't get me wrong, he's still a monster in PvT, as a feverish Flash can attest to (playing with a fever is far GG-resultant than playing with drowse-inducing medication), I just don't care for it (as I love Flash, even after that surprise buttsecks Bisu shoved on him in their PL fight).

Tossgirl falls in the same boat as Savior: obligatory pick. With how she played against UpMagic (I didn't see the game itself, but read "she played a lot better than expected", I gather she's going to appear in more televised games. Besides, once July cleans her mess, she gets points for STX wins. If she wins, then YES YES YES all the better.

Flash is an auto-pick for me. Best Terran out there. I'll stick to my belief of Leta being over-rated despite never seeing a game of his. As an FBH fan, it pains me to not pick him, but if he gets sniped by DaezanG or someone that level my monitor's (and the laptop it's a part of) is breaking in half. Jaedong's new-age ZvT hasn't met with the Little Monster yet, who more than likely has some sort of solution to queen-play (who knows, he might steal the Fantasy build or something... not that I really know what that is). SkyHigh does his homework, but seeing as he doesn't know who he's gearing up for, I don't want him. Only other Terran I'd consider is Boxer...

Jaedong. He should be in everyone's team, imo, seeing as the only potentially problematic match-up for Zergs, ZvP, is wrecked. His ZvZ is poweroverwhelming, and his ZvT queenplay wasn't exactly friendly against Fantasy (who he raped right before a butt-hurt Bisu, I might add). Seriously, the only way he can go down would be in an epic ZvZ 12hat v 9pool that he could probably defend against anyway. Ignore that loss to UpMagic as... come on, what the hell, Lecaf? 0-3?

Jangbi was definitely a hard pick. With my minimalist point spending on KTFlash (seriously, whoever coined this is a genius), Horang2, Tossgirl, and Savior, I had a lot of leeway. Now, as ZvP has been figured out (if it weren't, then I really don't understand how even MAGMA almost beat Bisu), I couldn't rely on stats alone for this match-up to make a decision. His PvT is near 70% with a 5-game streak, and he's rolling P in a 3-game streak on top of that. I could have just as easily gone with Stork, who's cheaper and offers similar stats and a recent win against Flash (but a loss to Nada, what the hell?), but where would that spare point have gone? To Jangbi, of course!

Horang2 is an easy pick being 100% in ALL HIS GAMES!!! WHOA!! For 2 points, this is like finding Final Fantasy 7 in a clearance bin for $5 (which that over-rated Bisu-like game shoulda cost).

Other potential picks: by.Hero || JulyZerg || Pusan || Nada || Free || FBH || Sea
- No to the Hero. Why? I don't honestly know, but at 1 point, it really can't hurt to have him on your team.
- July's stats speak for themselves, and hell he's on a streak. Thing is, the only great win he's got is against FBH.
- For Pusan, I have no honest idea. I heard a lot of people saying (read them typing) that whatever team he's on should throw them into their lineup. First thing he's in an ace match, he wins.
- Nada... because it's Nada?
- Free is a monster. Some recent wins against Mind, Bisu, Savior (from a month ago so it doesn't count), and Great say a lot, no?
- FBH: NO! Any competent P can take him out, though his recent TvP hasn't gone tested. On the same note, going from being topped by B.Net players to suddenly fighting Best isn't fair measure.
- Sea: With Queens seeing game time, though I personally don't know how much time, you're going to need someone with Irradiate spam and insane army replenishment skills, and for that Sea's your guy... so long as he plays on the same level in his game against Jaedong.


Hope that provided a laugh for you with knowledge to refute everything I said. In any case, this is my final line-up... I think. Still a day and a few hours left, so of course things can change (on top of the 10+ lineup submissions I've already done).
“Life is too short to embrace a woman I don’t love. I also think a woman’s life is too short to be embraced by a man she doesn’t love.” | CSGO: Cure Moonlight
RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
January 15 2009 16:49 GMT
#583
Forced to change my team because of the failure of a certain SKT Protoss......
Team name: The Rainmen
(8) (T)Flash (Captain)
(3) (Z)Luxury
(6) (P)Stork
(4) (T)UpMagiC
(3) (P)Anytime
(6) (T)Sea

(0) KTF MagicNs

Actually a bit more confident in the new one to be honest.
이영호 FIGHTING! Die Hard KT Rolster and Flash fan.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-16 01:31:40
January 15 2009 16:50 GMT
#584
Team name: d(O.o)a's All-Killers.
(9) (P)Bisu (Captain)
(8) (T)Flash
(2) (Z)sAviOr
(7) (P)JangBi
(3) (Z)type-b
(1) (P)GuemChi

(0) KTF MagicNs

30 points 0 to spare

Reposting my team off of page 3, This is at least my 13th change.

Swapped Leta/Bisu, Reach/Guemchi and boxer/type-b
Hi.
Braintricks
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
137 Posts
January 15 2009 17:03 GMT
#585
Oh man, with + Show Spoiler +
sAviOr's
last night, I'm have a hard time deciding between him and Horang2.
goddamn nerd rappers
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 15 2009 17:08 GMT
#586
Actually, given that + Show Spoiler +
Bisu is out of both leagues now
, he might be a better pick for the Fantasy team, since he'll definitely be seeing more action in PL. But another question is whether or not he can fix his play so he doesn't get sniped by Z's who know how to counter his style.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 15 2009 17:28 GMT
#587
On January 16 2009 02:08 Jyvblamo wrote:
Actually, given that + Show Spoiler +
Bisu is out of both leagues now
, he might be a better pick for the Fantasy team, since he'll definitely be seeing more action in PL. But another question is whether or not he can fix his play so he doesn't get sniped by Z's who know how to counter his style.


It's possible he'll adapt BeSt's style with a bit more of his own flare.
Hi.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8142 Posts
January 15 2009 17:49 GMT
#588
I wonder how many people decided to pick up oov after seeing he is starting out vs ACE lol
Free Palestine
DeLoAdEr
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Japan527 Posts
January 15 2009 18:23 GMT
#589
Team name: desu
(1) (T)BoxeR (Captain)
(5) (T)sKyHigh
(10) (Z)Jaedong
(2) (Z)sAviOr
(5) (P)free
(3) (P)Anytime

(4) CJ Entus
Bond(i2)
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada926 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 18:28:36
January 15 2009 18:28 GMT
#590
Team name: TEAM EXCELCIOR
(8) (T)Flash (Captain)
(10) (Z)Jaedong
(4) (Z)ZerO
(2) (Z)sAviOr
(5) (T)sKyHigh
(1) (P)han

(0) KTF MagicNs

i switched bisu/daezang for zero/skyhigh lulz. bisu seemed to be the best in the world about a week ago, but now... well lest just say i think i made the right decision ^^
roses are red violets are blue, Im schitzophrenic and so am i
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 18:36:54
January 15 2009 18:36 GMT
#591
I'm switching to Bisu. He didn't become bad overnight, and he'll have some time to practice now.

Team name: KTF is a steal
(9) (P)Bisu
(0) (P)DaezanG
(10) (Z)Jaedong (Captain)
(1) (Z)Kwanro
(2) (P)Horang2
(8) (T)Flash

(0) KTF MagicNs
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25988 Posts
January 15 2009 18:46 GMT
#592
Team name: Dr. C's Random Gosus
(7) (P)JangBi
(8) (T)Flash (Captain)
(6) (P)Stork
(6) (T)firebathero
(2) (T)Lomo
(1) (Z)Kwanro

(0) KTF MagicNs
Moderator
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 15 2009 18:53 GMT
#593
On January 16 2009 02:49 Ideas wrote:
I wonder how many people decided to pick up oov after seeing he is starting out vs ACE lol


haha I was looking at where I could fit him in but couldn't he is going to 4-0
Hi.
NonConGuy
Profile Joined October 2008
United States416 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 19:10:44
January 15 2009 19:10 GMT
#594
Team name: Evil Phelps
(9) (P)BeSt (Captain)
(9) (P)Bisu
(6) (T)Sea
(2) (Z)sAviOr
(1) (P)Stats
(0) (Z)YellOw

(3) OnGameNet Sparkyz
Total points: 30 (0 point(s) to spare)

changed from Free, Anytime, Iris to Bisu Stats and Yellow. After Bisu lost in both the MSL and OSL, i can bet that he will have all the time he needs to win every proleague game he plays.
RidlS
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada22 Posts
January 15 2009 19:28 GMT
#595
Team name: Space Shorts
(10) (Z)Jaedong (Captain)
(9) (P)Bisu
(3) (T)NaDa
(3) (P)Pure
(2) (T)Midas
(2) (Z)sAviOr

(0) KTF MagicNs
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-15 19:41:47
January 15 2009 19:41 GMT
#596
Team name: Starfox: Fox, Falco, Peppy, Slippy, Andross, and Tony the Tiger!!
(8) (T)Flash (Captain)
(6) (T)firebathero
(6) (Z)July
(6) (P)Stork
(2) (Z)sAviOr
(2) (P)Horang2
(0) KTF MagicNs

Think I'm done swapping now.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
bp1696
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States288 Posts
January 15 2009 19:48 GMT
#597
Team name: 1 + 1 = 3
(7) (Z)EffOrt
(8) (T)Flash (Captain)
(9) (P)BeSt
(1) (T)BoxeR
(2) (Z)sAviOr
(0) (T)ClouD

(3) OnGameNet Sparkyz
Sleep is for the fishes
Rucky
Profile Joined February 2008
United States717 Posts
January 15 2009 20:03 GMT
#598
Team name: N.E.F.T.S.
(2) (Z)sAviOr (Captain)
(4) (Z)ZerO
(10) (Z)Jaedong
(1) (Z)by.hero
(5) (P)free
(5) (T)sKyHigh

(3) OnGameNet Sparkyz

What do captains do besides not being able to be traded? Not like I'm going to trade MJY anyway!

My team is basically all the up and coming. (and coming BACK)
Savior will destroy, no?
Zero is working his way up for sure.
Jaedong is...well he's the only one already up there on my team.
By.hero should be as good as July, but costs 5 points less :D
Free is one of the cheaper dragons that I think is actually becoming one of the best. Dangerous PvT and PvZ developing. (Arbiter/Archon Power)
Skyhigh just has something that's like you know he will be good.
OGN Sparkyz Come On, they have leta, they can't be losing. It's like buying leta for 3 points instead of 12 ;P
Beyond the Game
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 15 2009 20:04 GMT
#599
the more i think about it the more i think my team sucks
manner
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 15 2009 20:31 GMT
#600
OOV vs Savior.... I can't decide!


I think Savior might be the better pick....but I'm thinking OOV (lol) may actually all kill ACE.


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