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Snare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Trinidad/Tobago129 Posts
November 28 2008 18:39 GMT
#61
<3 FlaSh
Something that leads one into a place or situation from which escape is difficult. 이제동 <3
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
November 28 2008 18:57 GMT
#62
Oh man it pains me to see Nada down in the C class, didn't think he was doing THAT bad.

Also lol at one of the youngest players being the only senior master.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 28 2008 19:00 GMT
#63
On November 29 2008 03:25 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2008 00:11 Plexa wrote:
Oh come on Hotbid you can't be serious...

while the 50 point separation is rather arbitrary, the elo ratings are designed such that players with separation of 100 points, then the high ranked gamer should win a vast majority of games (can't remember the actual figure). The 50 points is halve that, and fairly good at using the inbuilt features of elo to separate the games (ie you'd expect a class B to sometimes catch an A off guard and win maybe 30/70, and only say 5/95 against an expert for instance).

The titles come from the fide ranking, which assigns these titles to intervals of 200 points. They have a bigger range of elo scores so they can use 200, we do not, so are forced to use a smaller interval.


I think Hotbid knows what ELO is. He's saying the classes are completely pointless if you know how to read numbers
Isn't any ranking pointless? Why do we assign titles to chess players? It allows similar players to be grouped together is why.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
November 28 2008 19:18 GMT
#64
On November 29 2008 04:00 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2008 03:25 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
On November 29 2008 00:11 Plexa wrote:
Oh come on Hotbid you can't be serious...

while the 50 point separation is rather arbitrary, the elo ratings are designed such that players with separation of 100 points, then the high ranked gamer should win a vast majority of games (can't remember the actual figure). The 50 points is halve that, and fairly good at using the inbuilt features of elo to separate the games (ie you'd expect a class B to sometimes catch an A off guard and win maybe 30/70, and only say 5/95 against an expert for instance).

The titles come from the fide ranking, which assigns these titles to intervals of 200 points. They have a bigger range of elo scores so they can use 200, we do not, so are forced to use a smaller interval.


I think Hotbid knows what ELO is. He's saying the classes are completely pointless if you know how to read numbers
Isn't any ranking pointless? Why do we assign titles to chess players? It allows similar players to be grouped together is why.



good question!
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simon311A
Profile Joined October 2008
United States29 Posts
November 28 2008 19:18 GMT
#65
On November 29 2008 04:00 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2008 03:25 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
On November 29 2008 00:11 Plexa wrote:
Oh come on Hotbid you can't be serious...

while the 50 point separation is rather arbitrary, the elo ratings are designed such that players with separation of 100 points, then the high ranked gamer should win a vast majority of games (can't remember the actual figure). The 50 points is halve that, and fairly good at using the inbuilt features of elo to separate the games (ie you'd expect a class B to sometimes catch an A off guard and win maybe 30/70, and only say 5/95 against an expert for instance).

The titles come from the fide ranking, which assigns these titles to intervals of 200 points. They have a bigger range of elo scores so they can use 200, we do not, so are forced to use a smaller interval.


I think Hotbid knows what ELO is. He's saying the classes are completely pointless if you know how to read numbers
Isn't any ranking pointless? Why do we assign titles to chess players? It allows similar players to be grouped together is why.


The ranking isn't pointless, the grouping is.

It's like a teacher writing the following on the board for an unscaled test:

90-100 = A
80-89 = B
.
.

Pretty pointless, though not as pointless as the kids yelling that their 75 was really an A but they were slumping during the test.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
November 28 2008 19:29 GMT
#66
On November 29 2008 04:18 simon311A wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2008 04:00 Plexa wrote:
On November 29 2008 03:25 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
On November 29 2008 00:11 Plexa wrote:
Oh come on Hotbid you can't be serious...

while the 50 point separation is rather arbitrary, the elo ratings are designed such that players with separation of 100 points, then the high ranked gamer should win a vast majority of games (can't remember the actual figure). The 50 points is halve that, and fairly good at using the inbuilt features of elo to separate the games (ie you'd expect a class B to sometimes catch an A off guard and win maybe 30/70, and only say 5/95 against an expert for instance).

The titles come from the fide ranking, which assigns these titles to intervals of 200 points. They have a bigger range of elo scores so they can use 200, we do not, so are forced to use a smaller interval.


I think Hotbid knows what ELO is. He's saying the classes are completely pointless if you know how to read numbers
Isn't any ranking pointless? Why do we assign titles to chess players? It allows similar players to be grouped together is why.


The ranking isn't pointless, the grouping is.

It's like a teacher writing the following on the board for an unscaled test:

90-100 = A
80-89 = B
.
.

Pretty pointless, though not as pointless as the kids yelling that their 75 was really an A but they were slumping during the test.


It's not pointless otherwise they wouldn't do it on such a huge scale in school systems genius.

It simplifies things, gives a better view on the whole, makes things easier for us to remember and understand. Things we have a better understanding of are way more likely to enter our long term memory. Just a number like 90-100 is pretty abstract, especially for kids.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
November 28 2008 19:35 GMT
#67
(T)ToSsGirL an F? I mean come on. I know she aint the best looking korean girl out there, nor the brightest (she plays terran, not toss after all), but she certainly aint ugly you know? Not like (T)GanZi ugly. Besides, Rekrul never sexed her, so I'd give her at least a C... seems fair to me yes?
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 28 2008 19:59 GMT
#68
On November 29 2008 04:35 nemY wrote:
(T)ToSsGirL an F? I mean come on. I know she aint the best looking korean girl out there, nor the brightest (she plays terran, not toss after all), but she certainly aint ugly you know? Not like (T)GanZi ugly. Besides, Rekrul never sexed her, so I'd give her at least a C... seems fair to me yes?


Tossgirl is SO overrated. Ugly as F
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
myIRE
Profile Joined November 2008
Belgium229 Posts
November 28 2008 22:07 GMT
#69
she looks great wtf are you talking about -.-
Freedom is the most contageous virus known to men.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-28 23:45:18
November 28 2008 23:42 GMT
#70
On November 29 2008 07:07 myIRE wrote:
she looks great wtf are you talking about -.-


Congratulations, you have encountered a girl/guy posing as a girl on the internet! Please choose one of the following options:

A) Reply with: "Damnit you guys she is so beautiful!! How dare you guys insult the way she looks!" aka the white knight

B) Reply with: "She is way below my standards, what an ugly ho! I've turned down way hotter chicks than her!" aka the stereotypical nerd who has never talked to a girl

C) Bonus option: Shrug it off and masturbate to porn. aka the other 99%

Thank you for using the internet, have a pleasant day.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
November 28 2008 23:48 GMT
#71
I should have never posted in this thread

bunch of bs starting with me and I still think the whole grouping thing is kinda like .... '' oO alright.. kool''
w/e
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
November 28 2008 23:49 GMT
#72
On November 29 2008 08:42 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2008 07:07 myIRE wrote:
she looks great wtf are you talking about -.-


Congratulations, you have encountered a girl/guy posing as a girl on the internet! Please choose one of the following options:

A) Reply with: "Damnit you guys she is so beautiful!! How dare you guys insult the way she looks!" aka the white knight

B) Reply with: "She is way below my standards, what an ugly ho! I've turned down way hotter chicks than her!" aka the stereotypical nerd who has never talked to a girl

C) Bonus option: Shrug it off and masturbate to porn. aka the other 99%

Thank you for using the internet, have a pleasant day.


C, definitely.
Jaedong
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-29 00:00:55
November 29 2008 00:00 GMT
#73
lawl now thats a bit harsh, putting tossgirl in Class F. You cant exactly say the same about her looks but Flash ftw!
liosama
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Australia843 Posts
November 29 2008 00:27 GMT
#74
too many spoilers holy shit
Free Palestine
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
November 29 2008 00:31 GMT
#75
I think rankings like this are very accurate.

Just another opinion of course, notice the 'I think'. I find rankings like this interesting as well, although I think each race should have its own criteria compared to itself. Meaning the value of the elo is adjusted for each race. I really thought Groups A and B for zerg were intersting, I had no clue savior's elo is higher then julyzergs, also looking at the lists like this makes sense to me.

I enjoyed this, thanks op!
Love.Zelduck
Profile Joined February 2008
United States170 Posts
November 29 2008 01:15 GMT
#76
On November 27 2008 09:27 a bunch of people wrote:
SPOILERS

I did this when I was really bored. The clicking honestly gave me something to do.

On November 28 2008 09:27 some TL failtards wrote:
zomg my fav player is NOT Class D!!!

read the intro paragraph.

On November 29 2008 09:27 some others wrote:
Waste of time, I know how to read a list of numbers.

Congratulations, you just wasted even more time by posting. I purposely did this to waste time.

Thank you, and good night.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
November 29 2008 01:36 GMT
#77
Interesting statistics. I liked the bonus where you made a "best" lineup for each team. Pretty accurate compared to their recent lineups with some exceptions.

Thanks
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1988 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-29 16:58:52
November 29 2008 16:28 GMT
#78
On November 28 2008 23:49 Daigomi wrote:
I can't believe people are giving the OP shit about this list, it's a great list that he just used to show some stats about current strengths.

The basic idea is ok but 50 points is a pretty small difference (equivalent to a 57%-43% advantage for the stronger player). Realistically you can probably only group pros into 3-4 categories at most, rather than the 9 given here - the reason why chess has so many categories is because the rating system includes all competitive players, from the best pros to primary schoolers. The TLPD ratings only include full-time pros.
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
November 29 2008 19:16 GMT
#79
Don't we normally say S class on TL? Or are these chess classes?
NeoMesh
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada49 Posts
November 30 2008 00:05 GMT
#80
How is July not expert? that's dumb
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