EPTNada , iloveoov , Boxer , Yellow , Reach , NaI_rA ... list goes on.
These are the best of the best. You can't judge him just by looking ELO shit.
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darkemperor
Turkey725 Posts
Nada , iloveoov , Boxer , Yellow , Reach , NaI_rA ... list goes on. These are the best of the best. You can't judge him just by looking ELO shit. | ||
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
On November 28 2008 22:34 darkemperor wrote: Fail list is fail. Nada , iloveoov , Boxer , Yellow , Reach , NaI_rA ... list goes on. These are the best of the best. You can't judge him just by looking ELO shit. No, your the retard who forgot to read the op. Nobody fucking cares if boxer is your god, if you read and understood the op you'll clearly realize why he isnt on top of the list. | ||
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Legume
United States33 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On November 28 2008 22:16 myIRE wrote: so Jangbi is "master" being 2nd in MSL and fantasy is only "A" as 2nd in OSL? if we are talking about recent performance thats some bs right there Doesn't matter in what setting you win or lose. What matters is your opponent's ELO and yours. This is why you can win an OSL final and drop in ELO because you won 3-2 vs an opponent with a way lower ELO. Also, Jangbi wins more often overall. So it's no surprise. Fantasy is only 6-4 in proleague. Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system This is an objective system. Not some opinion like some people think. Also, I don't get all those people that equivocate 'class' just to argue their ELO should be higher than it is. It doesn't matter if they have 'class' or are 'classy'. Just replace 'class' with 'category' or 'tier' or something. But maybe the OP can disclose the numbers and the math and the games used. | ||
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
On November 28 2008 22:46 Legume wrote: I think Klazart put it best. There's a difference between form and class. There might be some players that are showing great form like Jangbi or firebathero, but ultimately people like Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior are just in a much higher class. Thus, I don't like this system to determine class. Boxer, nada, oov would have been at the top of the list in their respective career peaks, but since the op is talking about the present, its obvious why they arent on top of the list. Maybe some of the names dont fit in their own category, but overall i think its pretty accurate. btw, people should stop being retards and give the op some credit imo. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
This argument will just go on forever.... | ||
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mIsUZu
New Zealand528 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 28 2008 22:46 Legume wrote: I think Klazart put it best. There's a difference between form and class. There might be some players that are showing great form like Jangbi or firebathero, but ultimately people like Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior are just in a much higher class. Thus, I don't like this system to determine class. it would be best not to take klazarts views on anything starcraft related. if nada oov boxer and savior were someone inherently superior to all other players they would still be dominant. they were the best of their time, they have faded to various extents, these new players are now the dominant (and highest class) players. | ||
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NiGoL
1868 Posts
On November 28 2008 23:16 IdrA wrote: it would be best not to take klazarts views on anything starcraft related. if nada oov boxer and savior were someone inherently superior to all other players they would still be dominant. they were the best of their time, they have faded to various extents, these new players are now the dominant (and highest class) players. Agreed, and if boxer,savior oov would have been the most superior players , they wouldn't have stoped play like they did. Just keep on dominating would be their work | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
It also verified some things that I've had discussions with my friend about, for instance that Zerg has absolutely no depth in ace players, and that Protoss, while lacking a clear best, has the most depth in ace players. It's also interesting to compare the success of the teams with the strength of their top players. SKT, for instance, has the strongest line-up in the PL, player for player, and yet they ended up second from the bottom last season, while Woongjin has one of the weakest line-ups, yet they ended up quite high. It's a very interesting list  On November 28 2008 23:46 Plexa wrote: I can't beleive how stupid the users on this forum have become =/ Yes, stop being fucking retards people. | ||
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36401 Posts
2300+ Super Duper Awesome Senior Master 2200-2299 Duper Awesome Senior Master 2173-2199 Awesome Senior Master 2133-2172 Good Senior Master 2112-2132 Less Good Master 2101-2111 Less Less Good Master 2044-2099 Even Less Good Master 2025-2043 Junior Master 2003-2024 Regular Master 2000-2002 Master 1999-1999 Class 1999 A 1998-1998 Class 1999 B 1997-1997 Class 1998 etc. edit: as you can see there are more masters in mine | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
 you can't be serious...while the 50 point separation is rather arbitrary, the elo ratings are designed such that players with separation of 100 points, then the high ranked gamer should win a vast majority of games (can't remember the actual figure). The 50 points is halve that, and fairly good at using the inbuilt features of elo to separate the games (ie you'd expect a class B to sometimes catch an A off guard and win maybe 30/70, and only say 5/95 against an expert for instance). The titles come from the fide ranking, which assigns these titles to intervals of 200 points. They have a bigger range of elo scores so they can use 200, we do not, so are forced to use a smaller interval. | ||
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St0rmRush
Brazil448 Posts
i d put him as master! Fuck, at least expert! this list FAILS | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 29 2008 00:31 St0rmRush wrote: Your intelligence and respectability failssavior class A. i d put him as master! Fuck, at least expert! this list FAILS This list, however, does not | ||
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NiGoL
1868 Posts
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
There is already a list somewhere on TL of the players with the highest ELO....this isn't that. I think it is interesting that Flash still has the highest ELO overall.... Good Stuff | ||
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MoRe_mInErAls
Canada1210 Posts
On November 29 2008 00:11 Plexa wrote: Oh come on Hotbid you can't be serious...while the 50 point separation is rather arbitrary, the elo ratings are designed such that players with separation of 100 points, then the high ranked gamer should win a vast majority of games (can't remember the actual figure). The 50 points is halve that, and fairly good at using the inbuilt features of elo to separate the games (ie you'd expect a class B to sometimes catch an A off guard and win maybe 30/70, and only say 5/95 against an expert for instance). The titles come from the fide ranking, which assigns these titles to intervals of 200 points. They have a bigger range of elo scores so they can use 200, we do not, so are forced to use a smaller interval. I think Hotbid knows what ELO is. He's saying the classes are completely pointless if you know how to read numbers | ||
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