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darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
November 28 2008 13:34 GMT
#41
Fail list is fail.

Nada , iloveoov , Boxer , Yellow , Reach , NaI_rA ... list goes on.

These are the best of the best. You can't judge him just by looking ELO shit.
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dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
November 28 2008 13:45 GMT
#42
On November 28 2008 22:34 darkemperor wrote:
Fail list is fail.

Nada , iloveoov , Boxer , Yellow , Reach , NaI_rA ... list goes on.

These are the best of the best. You can't judge him just by looking ELO shit.

No, your the retard who forgot to read the op. Nobody fucking cares if boxer is your god, if you read and understood the op you'll clearly realize why he isnt on top of the list.
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Legume
Profile Joined November 2008
United States33 Posts
November 28 2008 13:46 GMT
#43
I think Klazart put it best. There's a difference between form and class. There might be some players that are showing great form like Jangbi or firebathero, but ultimately people like Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior are just in a much higher class. Thus, I don't like this system to determine class.
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BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-28 14:30:01
November 28 2008 13:46 GMT
#44
On November 28 2008 22:16 myIRE wrote:
so Jangbi is "master" being 2nd in MSL and fantasy is only "A" as 2nd in OSL? if we are talking about recent performance thats some bs right there


Doesn't matter in what setting you win or lose. What matters is your opponent's ELO and yours. This is why you can win an OSL final and drop in ELO because you won 3-2 vs an opponent with a way lower ELO. Also, Jangbi wins more often overall. So it's no surprise. Fantasy is only 6-4 in proleague.

Again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

This is an objective system. Not some opinion like some people think.


Also, I don't get all those people that equivocate 'class' just to argue their ELO should be higher than it is. It doesn't matter if they have 'class' or are 'classy'. Just replace 'class' with 'category' or 'tier' or something.

But maybe the OP can disclose the numbers and the math and the games used.
dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
November 28 2008 13:55 GMT
#45
On November 28 2008 22:46 Legume wrote:
I think Klazart put it best. There's a difference between form and class. There might be some players that are showing great form like Jangbi or firebathero, but ultimately people like Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior are just in a much higher class. Thus, I don't like this system to determine class.

Boxer, nada, oov would have been at the top of the list in their respective career peaks, but since the op is talking about the present, its obvious why they arent on top of the list.

Maybe some of the names dont fit in their own category, but overall i think its pretty accurate. btw, people should stop being retards and give the op some credit imo.

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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
November 28 2008 14:11 GMT
#46
Well, people should give credit to the op, but talking about the current is robbing them of the Godliness that they are

This argument will just go on forever....
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mIsUZu
Profile Joined August 2008
New Zealand528 Posts
November 28 2008 14:13 GMT
#47
someone organize a showmatch for NonY and ToSsGirL
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 28 2008 14:16 GMT
#48
On November 28 2008 22:46 Legume wrote:
I think Klazart put it best. There's a difference between form and class. There might be some players that are showing great form like Jangbi or firebathero, but ultimately people like Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior are just in a much higher class. Thus, I don't like this system to determine class.

it would be best not to take klazarts views on anything starcraft related.

if nada oov boxer and savior were someone inherently superior to all other players they would still be dominant. they were the best of their time, they have faded to various extents, these new players are now the dominant (and highest class) players.
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NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
November 28 2008 14:36 GMT
#49
On November 28 2008 23:16 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2008 22:46 Legume wrote:
I think Klazart put it best. There's a difference between form and class. There might be some players that are showing great form like Jangbi or firebathero, but ultimately people like Boxer, Nada, Oov, and Savior are just in a much higher class. Thus, I don't like this system to determine class.

it would be best not to take klazarts views on anything starcraft related.

if nada oov boxer and savior were someone inherently superior to all other players they would still be dominant. they were the best of their time, they have faded to various extents, these new players are now the dominant (and highest class) players.



Agreed, and if boxer,savior oov would have been the most superior players , they wouldn't have stoped play like they did. Just keep on dominating would be their work
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
November 28 2008 14:40 GMT
#50
Some of you are such dense fanboys that as soon as you see your favourites unacceptably low on a list, you toss logic and basic comprehension out the window and spew out complete bullshit. All you have to do is read the goddamned first line of the OP to realise how utterly retarded your posts are.
No I'm never serious.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-28 14:47:09
November 28 2008 14:46 GMT
#51
I can't beleive how stupid the users on this forum have become =/
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-28 14:50:05
November 28 2008 14:49 GMT
#52
I can't believe people are giving the OP shit about this list, it's a great list that he just used to show some stats about current strengths. If you want to use ELO peaks, then make your own list, the purpose of this list is to show the current player strengths.

It also verified some things that I've had discussions with my friend about, for instance that Zerg has absolutely no depth in ace players, and that Protoss, while lacking a clear best, has the most depth in ace players.

It's also interesting to compare the success of the teams with the strength of their top players. SKT, for instance, has the strongest line-up in the PL, player for player, and yet they ended up second from the bottom last season, while Woongjin has one of the weakest line-ups, yet they ended up quite high. It's a very interesting list

On November 28 2008 23:46 Plexa wrote:
I can't beleive how stupid the users on this forum have become =/

Yes, stop being fucking retards people.
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araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
November 28 2008 14:54 GMT
#53
yet another flash fanboy?
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-28 15:03:52
November 28 2008 15:00 GMT
#54
i can't get over the arbitrary classification names and elo number separators, i'd like to know why this list is any better than me creating a list dividing by every 100 ELO points and calling the ranks:

2300+ Super Duper Awesome Senior Master
2200-2299 Duper Awesome Senior Master
2173-2199 Awesome Senior Master
2133-2172 Good Senior Master
2112-2132 Less Good Master
2101-2111 Less Less Good Master
2044-2099 Even Less Good Master
2025-2043 Junior Master
2003-2024 Regular Master
2000-2002 Master
1999-1999 Class 1999 A
1998-1998 Class 1999 B
1997-1997 Class 1998
etc.

edit: as you can see there are more masters in mine
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 28 2008 15:11 GMT
#55
Oh come on Hotbid you can't be serious...

while the 50 point separation is rather arbitrary, the elo ratings are designed such that players with separation of 100 points, then the high ranked gamer should win a vast majority of games (can't remember the actual figure). The 50 points is halve that, and fairly good at using the inbuilt features of elo to separate the games (ie you'd expect a class B to sometimes catch an A off guard and win maybe 30/70, and only say 5/95 against an expert for instance).

The titles come from the fide ranking, which assigns these titles to intervals of 200 points. They have a bigger range of elo scores so they can use 200, we do not, so are forced to use a smaller interval.
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St0rmRush
Profile Joined February 2003
Brazil448 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-28 15:32:26
November 28 2008 15:31 GMT
#56
savior class A.
i d put him as master! Fuck, at least expert!
this list FAILS
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 28 2008 17:22 GMT
#57
On November 29 2008 00:31 St0rmRush wrote:
savior class A.
i d put him as master! Fuck, at least expert!
this list FAILS
Your intelligence and respectability fails
This list, however, does not
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NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
November 28 2008 17:39 GMT
#58
BisU class A!
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
November 28 2008 17:49 GMT
#59
Good list, don't listen to all these haters.

There is already a list somewhere on TL of the players with the highest ELO....this isn't that.


I think it is interesting that Flash still has the highest ELO overall....


Good Stuff
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
November 28 2008 18:25 GMT
#60
On November 29 2008 00:11 Plexa wrote:
Oh come on Hotbid you can't be serious...

while the 50 point separation is rather arbitrary, the elo ratings are designed such that players with separation of 100 points, then the high ranked gamer should win a vast majority of games (can't remember the actual figure). The 50 points is halve that, and fairly good at using the inbuilt features of elo to separate the games (ie you'd expect a class B to sometimes catch an A off guard and win maybe 30/70, and only say 5/95 against an expert for instance).

The titles come from the fide ranking, which assigns these titles to intervals of 200 points. They have a bigger range of elo scores so they can use 200, we do not, so are forced to use a smaller interval.


I think Hotbid knows what ELO is. He's saying the classes are completely pointless if you know how to read numbers
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