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GGPlay(4)Light(4)Anytime(1)sKyHigh(0)[Fantasy] Shinhan PL Round 2 - Page 15
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
Woonging Stars (4) Best(8) captainFlash(9)GGPlay(4)Light(4)Anytime(1)sKyHigh(0) | ||
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abakben
United States308 Posts
8 (P)Best 8 (P)free[gm] 1 (P)Anytime 2 (Z)Thezerg 2 (T)RuBy 3 SK Telecom T1 | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 29 2008 03:15 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: captain: ZerO 9players: Jaedong 9EffOrt 5By.Movie 3sKyHigh 0inter.young 0team: woongjin 4 On November 29 2008 16:20 Hot_Bid wrote: 5 Lecaf Oz 9 Jaedong7 Stork5 EffOrt4 by.great0 sKyHigh0 inter.youngPLEASE ZERO KICK STORKS ASS. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
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xxsaznpride
United States506 Posts
8 firebathero5 EffOrt5 Bisu5 Sea4 July3 Much0 ToSsGirLlol I made this team with no real knowledge of stats or anything. Oh, and Tossgirl is my ace snipe for the likes of Flash and Luxury (who lose their ace matches whenever I check...). and i wonder if this is on time or not... | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On November 29 2008 17:46 xxsaznpride wrote: CAPTAIN 8 firebathero5 EffOrt5 Bisu5 Sea4 July3 Much0 ToSsGirLlol I made this team with no real knowledge of stats or anything. Oh, and Tossgirl is my ace snipe for the likes of Flash and Luxury (who lose their ace matches whenever I check...). and i wonder if this is on time or not... u picked no team and too many players | ||
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xxsaznpride
United States506 Posts
Where teams were mandatory.CAPTAIN 8 firebathero5 EffOrt5 Bisu4 July3 Much0 ToSsGirL0 sKyHighTEAM 5 Lecaf Oz edit: Where is a player...? - 3 PMs to SOG one with my mistaken lineup, one with no text whatsoever because only pros use "enter" as their "tab", and the third with the correct stuff. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
On November 29 2008 14:01 semioldguy wrote: CONTEST IS NOW CLOSED Any team submission received beyond this point will not be accepted. There were 207 Teams entered. Good Luck to you all! Sorry bro read the full thread before posting. | ||
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DragoonPK
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Tigi
Germany472 Posts
On November 29 2008 17:35 GGQ wrote: my team's got 8 points! Hehe mine got 9 yet :D | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Mind: in lineup, won, ace match appearance, lost -> 4 points Luxury: in lineup, lost, ace match appearance, won -> 4 points Flash: In lineup, won -> 3 points KTF win, KTF win -> 2 points 4+4+3+2=13 points right? | ||
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
On November 29 2008 13:01 traced wrote: No offense, but you haven't done the math. No offense, but I have. I computed every player's stats and score for round one. You CANNOT make large gains if you are an expensive player. They are the most expensive because they performed the best last round. Take 9 points for flash: He went 10-4, including a SEVEN game streak, FOUR ace matches, and 2 broken streaks. Sure, he averages the best at 5 earned points/cost, but the average player is still like 4.5 earned points/cost. With 11 matches in the round, it's actually quite unlikely he'll even get 14 games next round, and in the best case scenario he might win 12 and get the same streak and ace matches - and then he's earned 5.67 points/cost...AT BEST. Then take Anytime. Like Flash, he also should play in almost every match, since he's notably better than anyone else of his race on his team. So say he gets 9 appearances...I'm betting he'll win at least 3. His team gets him another 1-2 points, and he's earned 11 points per cost. I also used 5 point players that should also play in basically every match. Say Bisu goes out ten times plus an ace match. If he plays even close to his MSL play, he's getting 8 -9 wins, plus his team will earn at least 2-3 points more than last season for him, plus he'll more than likely play an ace, get a streak, and break a streak. Oh look, 37/5 = 7.4 points earned per cost. With the 6 player limit you obviously can't solely go based on that ratio though. Expected point differential also makes the 8-9 pointers unlikely to perform though, especially considering you need a 0-1 point player for each big player you have (and besides anytime and midas, the 0-1s would have to come out of nowhere to earn anything - midas majorly slumped and anytime was in basic training, so didn't get any games). Even without dividing by cost, the 9 pointers realistically can't earn more than 7 points more than last season, and to do that they'd need about a 90% win rate with a 6+ game streak....unlikely since no one did it this season. Taking my slumping players: if they come out of their proleague slumps, they're easily getting 2+ more wins, an additional streak, and then they get more ace matches and more chances to improve by 3-4 wins over last season. Looking at it the opposite way, if an 8 pointer like ZerO suddenly realizes he's like 100th in KeSPA and plays a bit better than the average player with 5 wins, he's earning 15 points less than last season. A 5 point player would have to get 1 win on the season to do that much worse than last season. The only way I see someone with big hitters winning is if they choose the only 2 really solid ones (Jaedong and Flash) in hopes they will do the exact same as last round, but also choose guys like Anytime, sKyHigh, TheZerg, and maybe a couple like pepe and movie, and then ALL their 4 low-pointers pull off 5 win rounds (and SKT gets 10 more than last season). This isn't like the MSL Fantasy league, where the guy who earned the most last season is a great deal if he repeats, since the best player earns double the points of the second best, yet only costs 1 point more. Here every player that played has been given a cost to be as close to 5 earned points per cost point without going over. There are no "great deals" (besides the Anytime anomaly), just up-and-comers and slumping legends. Because of the luck involved, the winner is going to have every person on his team do the same or better. Obviously I'm not saying someone following my choosing theory will win. If a zero pointer other than sKyHigh pulls off a 6 win season, even a mediocre team with him on it could easily win. I bet teams like mine will be more consistently near the top ranked teams though, because I believe it is statistically the better strategy. Instead of 3-4 players who can make large gains, I have 6. Oh yeah, and my strategy was to choose mid-costing players (a mix of slumping legends and up-and-comers) that should all play in at least 9 games next round due to the balance of their teams. So they not only have room for notable improvement (e.g. winning 3-4 more games than last season), but they also are pretty much guaranteed the opportunity based on the other players of their race on their teams. Their potential gains are improved even more with the fact that if they start improving, they could go up to 11-14 game appearances, adding a couple more wins, and a couple ace match points too. + Show Spoiler + And I can pretty much guarantee my team won't win, because I purposely chose 3 of my 5 favorite players...the ones that were closest to fitting in with my strategy. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36369 Posts
also, in your calculations are you factoring in that a lot of the big hitters point per cost are lower but their risk is also lower? it's pretty safe to assume flash and jaedong will earn lots of appearances, ace matches, and win points, and other more "speculative" players could kill your team if they underperform badly. the higher point value players like jaedong, stork, free, kal etc have a lesser chance of disappointing given their frequency and consistency in PL. | ||
IntoTheWow
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36369 Posts
On November 30 2008 02:19 (paladin)roMAD wrote: I got 18 pts from yesterday's games, if i counted correctly lol fuck | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36369 Posts
Woongjin +5 (3-0) Luxury +5 (+1 lineup, +1 team win, +2 ace, +2 ace win, -1 loss) Mind +4 (+1 lineup, +2 regular win, +2 ace, -1 loss) GGplay +4 (+1 lineup, +2 regular win, +1 team win) Bisu (pending) Jangbi (pending) Anytime (pending) averaged 4.5 pp/appearance which is NUTS considering getting a win and team win is only +4, which is about the best you can expect out of anyone in any given week and you're averaging higher than that hahhahaha | ||
semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On November 30 2008 02:19 (paladin)roMAD wrote: I got 18 pts from yesterday's games, if i counted correctly Yes, you counted correctly and you're in the lead after day 1 :p | ||
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SingletonWilliam
United States664 Posts
3 (P) By.Movie4 (Z) July4 (Z) GGPlay4 (T) Mind5 (P) Bisu6 (P) JangBi4 Woongjin Stars | ||
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