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Wurzelbrumpft
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
Nice article, and thank you  | ||
MrHoon
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On November 08 2008 01:26 Guybrush wrote: You write that Iris and NaDa are ultra-aggressive. Iris is, but NaDa is the opposite. Also you compare early-Flash with TheZerg, and Leta, which I disagree heavily on. There has been no newcomer like Flash since NaDa, and no newcomer like Flash after Flash. He qualified for MSL and OSL in his first attempts, and has qualified everytime since that for both leagues. And his 39-24 record is actually very good by progaming standards, and extremely good by rookie-year standards. Nice article, and thank you Fantasy = Boxer Flash = nada ForGG = oov This is how I feel whenever I see them play | ||
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gg_hertzz
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huk i said started too much. | ||
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CholeraSC
United States114 Posts
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disciple
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 08 2008 01:26 Guybrush wrote: You write that Iris and NaDa are ultra-aggressive. Iris is, but NaDa is the opposite. Also you compare early-Flash with TheZerg, and Leta, which I disagree heavily on. There has been no newcomer like Flash since NaDa, and no newcomer like Flash after Flash. He qualified for MSL and OSL in his first attempts, and has qualified everytime since that for both leagues. And his 39-24 record is actually very good by progaming standards, and extremely good by rookie-year standards. Nice article, and thank you NaDa pioneered Tornado Style, which I feel is extremely aggressive. I compare Leta and Thezerg, just because I want to give modern examples of great rookies. On November 08 2008 01:53 gg_hertzz wrote: started off good then you started to sound like East noobs when you started using 'rape' and 'fucking' so damn much. huk i said started too much. Thanks for pointing that out. I edited out 'fucking' in one version, but I guess I posted the wrong one. I corrected this. I think 'rape' is an acceptable term. On November 08 2008 00:52 Wurzelbrumpft wrote: you should be staff That would be nice, but I hope that TL has a more arduous process for picking staff than writing 2 articles. Especially when you're as new to TL.net as I am. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On November 08 2008 01:44 MrHoon wrote: Fantasy = Boxer Flash = nada ForGG = oov This is how I feel whenever I see them play Sea/ForGG/Mind/Midas/Light/Xellos/Skyhigh(none of these are worthy ofc) = Oov Flash(not worthy yet) = NaDa UpMagic/Lomo/Casy/Leta/FBH(none of these are worthy ofc) = Boxer Fantasy = Canata with no nerves | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
They are the only two ever who I feel, remind me of NaDa. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On November 08 2008 04:07 Comeh wrote: Great read, and all I have to say is: flash is still young :D (hopefully he will just stop 14 ccing...) He has stopped, but now he has other flaws in his play that are harder to put your finger on. | ||
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masami.sc
United States445 Posts
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
On November 07 2008 12:31 SuperJongMan wrote: Flash got robbed last OSL. If GGplay didn't have lings from god, Flash woulda swept and had a very very real shot at a title. It's a shame. It's a true shame Stork got a gold. LSDJFLKSDJF A truly inspiring article! I am also saddened by how flash turned out, but he will once again be a monster, as he still is young and has the potential. =) go Flash! I understand you, but I highly disagree with this statement. Stork deserves that gold. EDIT: if you were being sarcastic, ignore my remark and my apology for not considering it. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
It's interesting because even in his slump he would show some flashes of brilliance: ForGG game 3 was extremely good thinking by Flash. Then he'd go right back to being stupid or complacent and not trying to outthink to win. Any thoughts on this? (Savior showed the same thing during his slump). Btw Flash's TvT was statistically his best matchup during his streak at 16-3, but it was the one matchup where he innovated the least. I guess it just wasn't as defined because he never fought a terran equivalent of Jaedong/Stork while he was in his prime. It's pretty crazy that 5 out of his 7 tvp losses in that period were to Stork/Bisu, and 5 out of his 6 TvZ losses were to Jaedong. As for Terran comparisons...Flash is the closest Terran to iloveoov there will likely ever be since both rose by creating huge innovations and relying on intelligent economic pressure. Savior is quite similar in some ways (defensive control style; strong mental game) and not so in other ways (prioritizing army control). Comparing ForGG to oov is like only looking at a tiny part of their game: their total disregard for controlling their armies at the expense of producing units. But ForGG is really a timing attacker type player ala Hwasin and Iris, while oov is his own totally unique self. It's the same for Nada too. The only people who can be remotely compared to Nada are Jaedong and Bisu, as both have transcendant mechanics along with a strong will (this is questionable for Bisu). Nada just happens to have the strongest will in progaming, which is why he can come back and own no matter what era. Fantasy is so obviously iloveoov lol because...iloveoov is directly coaching him and feeding him builds! Boxer would never pull a hidden expansion when getting owned (Fantasy Stork game 5), that's an iloveoov thing. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 08 2008 09:28 Ver wrote: Hmm, very interesting. I had always dismissed Flash's slump as being wrought through exhaustion by how ridiculously overused/scheduled he was (he clearly was not 'bonjwa flash' when he played Luxury in either game, as well as Lux did Flash still sucked). This is definitely an interpretation I hadn't considered and will certainly need to take into account when I write specifically about Flash's strategy later on. Well done! It's interesting because even in his slump he would show some flashes of brilliance: ForGG game 3 was extremely good thinking by Flash. Then he'd go right back to being stupid or complacent and not trying to outthink to win. Any thoughts on this? (Savior showed the same thing during his slump). Btw Flash's TvT was statistically his best matchup during his streak at 16-3, but it was the one matchup where he innovated the least. I guess it just wasn't as defined because he never fought a terran equivalent of Jaedong/Stork while he was in his prime. It's pretty crazy that 5 out of his 7 tvp losses in that period were to Stork/Bisu, and 5 out of his 6 TvZ losses were to Jaedong. As for Terran comparisons...Flash is the closest Terran to iloveoov there will likely ever be since both rose by creating huge innovations and relying on intelligent economic pressure. Savior is quite similar in some ways (defensive control style; strong mental game) and not so in other ways (prioritizing army control). Comparing ForGG to oov is like only looking at a tiny part of their game: their total disregard for controlling their armies at the expense of producing units. But ForGG is really a timing attacker type player ala Hwasin and Iris, while oov is his own totally unique self. It's the same for Nada too. The only people who can be remotely compared to Nada are Jaedong and Bisu, as both have transcendant mechanics along with a strong will (this is questionable for Bisu). Nada just happens to have the strongest will in progaming, which is why he can come back and own no matter what era. Fantasy is so obviously iloveoov lol because...iloveoov is directly coaching him and feeding him builds! Boxer would never pull a hidden expansion when getting owned (Fantasy Stork game 5), that's an iloveoov thing. As far as strokes of brilliance during slumps, I think of it like this. Flash's play is an inconsistent animal. He started out on the top, and a course of events damaged his confidence and ruined his ability to play consistency. Now he kind of jumps all over the place. Winning a game, losing a game, going on a lose streak, win streak, etc. | ||
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LightRailCoyote
United States982 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 08 2008 10:40 LightRailCoyote wrote: Wow, this shit is long and crazy. There's been an upsurge of long long articles recently 0.o I wrote a little expose' on firebathero, and suddenly BW seemed to explode with articles. I don't care if I started it or not, it's been great. I plan on writing articles for a long time. I should have a new one in the works soon, I'm still brainstorming. If there is anything you'd like me to write about PM me, and that goes for anyone. I'm looking for some ideas. So far I'm considering writing an article about: Tasteless Mind Teamliquid and the foreign scene | ||
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SingletonWilliam
United States664 Posts
Here is the Flash at school video with his GF: | ||
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