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yn01_
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada149 Posts
June 19 2008 01:38 GMT
#21
It's genetics
Warning: My Post count is the speed of my apm
kyjori
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
371 Posts
June 19 2008 01:51 GMT
#22
i hate losing. i never save replays where i lose on bnet. unfortunately on iccup, i dont have a choice T_T
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 19 2008 02:37 GMT
#23
It's just a fucking game donkey.

I'm not the fish playing the SC penny tables LOL
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
June 19 2008 03:11 GMT
#24
when you lose pay attention to why you lose
for example i lose because of: bad timing, bad macro, bad game sense, bad scouting
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-19 04:01:08
June 19 2008 03:56 GMT
#25
I think I've gained more from playing ICCUP for three months than I did from playing the game for the past ten years (on and off). I was like 5-15 in my first twenty games, and lost to players with like half my apm (and my apm is pretty close to the bottom of ICCUP).

Still not great and never will be, but I'm leagues better than I used to be.

And prior to that I had a buddy I'd play with and he'd beat me like 90% of the time... I'm at the point where I win about as much as I lose (I started winning more than I lost, but my skill increase has led to his skills increasing so it's a vicious cycle. ). I started getting to that point before trying ICCUP, but it's kept me competitive against him even though he's been improving.
Gaetele
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Esper760 Posts
June 19 2008 03:59 GMT
#26
Just losing won't make you feel better. Go back and watch the replay of the game you just lost - think about why you made the decisions you made. Think about why the opponent made his decisions. Think about what you could've done to stop what he was doing at a point in the game. Pinpoint the point of the game where you knew that it swung heavily in his favor. etc.

You can't just practice mindlessly and get better at the game - Starcraft requires deep thought in order to get better. I'm being extremely hypocritical when I say this - I play maybe one game every month or so and I just play it for the sake of playing. That's probably why I suck.

Actually, that is why I suck.
aka Ghostclaws
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
June 19 2008 11:33 GMT
#27
On June 19 2008 11:37 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
It's just a fucking game donkey.

I'm not the fish playing the SC penny tables LOL


Nah, you're just a kid with a chip on his shoulders.

Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-19 12:15:20
June 19 2008 12:13 GMT
#28
On June 19 2008 12:56 zer0das wrote:
I think I've gained more from playing ICCUP for three months than I did from playing the game for the past ten years (on and off). I was like 5-15 in my first twenty games, and lost to players with like half my apm (and my apm is pretty close to the bottom of ICCUP).

Still not great and never will be, but I'm leagues better than I used to be.

And prior to that I had a buddy I'd play with and he'd beat me like 90% of the time... I'm at the point where I win about as much as I lose (I started winning more than I lost, but my skill increase has led to his skills increasing so it's a vicious cycle. ). I started getting to that point before trying ICCUP, but it's kept me competitive against him even though he's been improving.

Yes when pgt was still alive my i improved more in 20 games on pgt than i had in the thousands of games I played on bnet. i remember going like 0-11 on my first few days and than something clicked after watching my reps focusing on my macro mistakes and got confidence and got 6-13.
On June 19 2008 10:51 kyjori wrote:
i hate losing. i never save replays where i lose on bnet. unfortunately on iccup, i dont have a choice T_T

You know you can turn off autorep?

"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
June 19 2008 15:29 GMT
#29
sometimes i really get tired of losing alot and then ill go on streaks where i just go on east and facebang alota people but, i feel that by doing that it takes away from my skill. If you consistantly have the willpower/mental toughness to get bashed all the time and play 100% all the time when you play you can get better by losing pretty quickly. Another problem i and many players face, i think its tough to play 100% all the time, i dunno why, just is ;(
https://twitter.com/quanticfograw
ForAdun
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany986 Posts
June 19 2008 17:06 GMT
#30
Actually people say it's not good to give 100% all the time. I didn't believe them but nowadays I almost always give 100% and I tend to believe it.
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
June 19 2008 18:07 GMT
#31
On June 18 2008 14:21 gg_hertzz wrote:
losing is like medicine. it tastes like shit and sometimes hard to swallow, but you need it to get better.


sick analogy (no pun intended)
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
June 19 2008 18:16 GMT
#32
playing vs better people and getting owned is always better in the context that these people will FIND HOLES in your game and TAKE ADVANTAGE of them to get the win. so, by playing better people you have a chance to actually realise after the game what the fuck is the part of your game that you have to improve in order to get to the next level.

an other thing is that when you play better people you tend to really stress yourself to perform better than usual in order to keep up and actually seeing yourself performing better than usual is always a thing that lifts you up and gives you motivation to continue.

RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
June 19 2008 18:18 GMT
#33
Wtf ? No matter how many times you lose, be it against pros or newbies, if you don't understand why you're losing then you won't improve at all period.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Goosey
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States695 Posts
June 19 2008 18:56 GMT
#34
On June 20 2008 03:18 RaiZ wrote:
Wtf ? No matter how many times you lose, be it against pros or newbies, if you don't understand why you're losing then you won't improve at all period.


If you don't analyze your play to understand why you win/lose you won't improve period; regardless of if your winning or losing.
#1 Shuttle Fan.
ForAdun
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany986 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-19 19:03:35
June 19 2008 19:02 GMT
#35
lol Goosey, you do realize that you said the same with a different choice of words?

w/e I'm just posting again because I'd like to add that when playing gosus who have like 20-3 stats is the absolute best that can happen to you no matter what the result is going to be, I can tell from my own experience that every time you beat them you feel like the god of all gods.
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
June 19 2008 19:24 GMT
#36
what happens when u never lose? lol does that mean u cant get better? does it matter?

im thinkin about floyd mayweather jr
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
June 19 2008 19:25 GMT
#37
On June 20 2008 03:56 Goosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2008 03:18 RaiZ wrote:
Wtf ? No matter how many times you lose, be it against pros or newbies, if you don't understand why you're losing then you won't improve at all period.


If you don't analyze your play to understand why you win/lose you won't improve period; regardless of if your winning or losing.

I don't really analyse my play and I never watch my reps alone. I just don't especially enjoy that aspect of my play and if I lose the fun then I lose motivation and therefore skill. I find practice and just building upon whatever works effective.
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Lisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Latvia376 Posts
June 19 2008 19:37 GMT
#38
I can usually see/feel why I'm losing during the game.
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
June 19 2008 19:42 GMT
#39
I can't stop playing until I win.

But you aren't going to improve if you win. When I win I am just satisfied. When I lose I am not angry, but I want to try harder and improve.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
June 19 2008 19:44 GMT
#40
On June 20 2008 04:42 BlackStar wrote:
I can't stop playing until I win.

But you aren't going to improve if you win. When I win I am just satisfied. When I lose I am not angry, but I want to try harder and improve.
Yeah, i know the feeling. I am always like, RE, or if its on iccup, I'll hunt down another opponent. I'm lame ^^
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