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IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
March 04 2011 03:30 GMT
#301
On March 04 2011 10:28 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 09:43 etheovermind wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:58 Forumite wrote:
I wonder if the Maestro will return for Starcraft 2. I hope so but there is probably too much bad publicity around him.

Yeah great idea. Have him try to ruin a different game!

Is Starcraft:Brood War ruined now?

Lol i specifically said "try to ruin". He did a lot of damage, but he didn't even come close to ruining the game.
Just listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lCZeePG48
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
March 04 2011 10:48 GMT
#302
On March 04 2011 12:30 etheovermind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 10:28 Forumite wrote:
On March 04 2011 09:43 etheovermind wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:58 Forumite wrote:
I wonder if the Maestro will return for Starcraft 2. I hope so but there is probably too much bad publicity around him.

Yeah great idea. Have him try to ruin a different game!

Is Starcraft:Brood War ruined now?

Lol i specifically said "try to ruin". He did a lot of damage, but he didn't even come close to ruining the game.

I misread your post.

It´s depressing how Savior tarnished his career, I wonder how many depressing defeats were really him playing bad on purpose and how many was his long bad streak.
:3
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
March 04 2011 11:04 GMT
#303
On March 04 2011 19:48 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 12:30 etheovermind wrote:
On March 04 2011 10:28 Forumite wrote:
On March 04 2011 09:43 etheovermind wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:58 Forumite wrote:
I wonder if the Maestro will return for Starcraft 2. I hope so but there is probably too much bad publicity around him.

Yeah great idea. Have him try to ruin a different game!

Is Starcraft:Brood War ruined now?

Lol i specifically said "try to ruin". He did a lot of damage, but he didn't even come close to ruining the game.

I misread your post.

It´s depressing how Savior tarnished his career, I wonder how many depressing defeats were really him playing bad on purpose and how many was his long bad streak.

As far as i know he didn;t actively thrown any of his games as by that time he wasn't a top tier player anymore, rather he became a sorts of middle man between the illegal betting companies/korean gangsters and recruit other progamers some of which were strong performers (hwasin/luxury/yarnc) to fix matches.
LunarC
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1186 Posts
March 04 2011 11:48 GMT
#304
March 3rd is my birthday, and it's also the day that Bisu dominated. :DD
REEBUH!!!
nadafanboy42
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands209 Posts
March 04 2011 11:56 GMT
#305
On March 04 2011 20:04 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 19:48 Forumite wrote:
On March 04 2011 12:30 etheovermind wrote:
On March 04 2011 10:28 Forumite wrote:
On March 04 2011 09:43 etheovermind wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:58 Forumite wrote:
I wonder if the Maestro will return for Starcraft 2. I hope so but there is probably too much bad publicity around him.

Yeah great idea. Have him try to ruin a different game!

Is Starcraft:Brood War ruined now?

Lol i specifically said "try to ruin". He did a lot of damage, but he didn't even come close to ruining the game.

I misread your post.

It´s depressing how Savior tarnished his career, I wonder how many depressing defeats were really him playing bad on purpose and how many was his long bad streak.

As far as i know he didn;t actively thrown any of his games as by that time he wasn't a top tier player anymore, rather he became a sorts of middle man between the illegal betting companies/korean gangsters and recruit other progamers some of which were strong performers (hwasin/luxury/yarnc) to fix matches.

As far as you know being heard from where exactly? I don't want to keep bringing up old dirt but I cannot let this stuff fly. Savior ruined many good people's careers and possible lifes (upmagic ) and now people are trying to whitewash his history with "oh he only acted as a middleman" skit?
FIRSTLY: As far as I know the only person saying he wasn't throwning matches was Savior himself, who was the only matchfixer never to apologise, who spent the entire scandal continually lying and denying everything until he was practically forced to by court in order to get off with the fine.
SECONDLY: Was anyone else here around when people were absolutely baffled how Savior's skill could fall down so badly? I remember someone mentioning how Savior was the only old school player who actually got worse after his prime (as opposed to NaDa Boxer etc. getting better but simply being surpassed by newer generations).
THIRDLY: Even if this bs is true. Being a middle-man is WORSE then throwing matches himself. Instead of ruining his own career, he was actively and knowing ruining other people's careers and corrupting the entire proscene. I can't find the quote but I'll paraphrase what one of the commentators adressed to Savior after the scandal broke: "How could you destroy what your elders gave their blood sweat and tears to build?"

If there was ever any real proof to exonerate Savior I'm all for forgiving him. But all I've ever heard are random rumours who seem designed just to whitewash the one person in the entire scandal who imo should not be let off the hook.
NaDa/Jaedong/Liquid-Fanboy
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
March 04 2011 11:59 GMT
#306
On March 04 2011 20:04 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 19:48 Forumite wrote:
On March 04 2011 12:30 etheovermind wrote:
On March 04 2011 10:28 Forumite wrote:
On March 04 2011 09:43 etheovermind wrote:
On March 04 2011 07:58 Forumite wrote:
I wonder if the Maestro will return for Starcraft 2. I hope so but there is probably too much bad publicity around him.

Yeah great idea. Have him try to ruin a different game!

Is Starcraft:Brood War ruined now?

Lol i specifically said "try to ruin". He did a lot of damage, but he didn't even come close to ruining the game.

I misread your post.

It´s depressing how Savior tarnished his career, I wonder how many depressing defeats were really him playing bad on purpose and how many was his long bad streak.

As far as i know he didn;t actively thrown any of his games as by that time he wasn't a top tier player anymore, rather he became a sorts of middle man between the illegal betting companies/korean gangsters and recruit other progamers some of which were strong performers (hwasin/luxury/yarnc) to fix matches.

That´s something at least, but it´s impossible to be sure with these things. There will always be suspicions if he started again with Starcraft 2.
:3
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
March 04 2011 12:32 GMT
#307
Try not and get this thread closed with the Savior "was he good, was he evil" argument.

Savior was good back in the day. Yeah he goofed, but he was fun to watch.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
popzags
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland604 Posts
March 04 2011 14:46 GMT
#308
The fact that Bisu started the whole new revolution in PvZ does not take away the fact that Savior's play was sub-par. Being faced with nearly the same strategy three times in a row, he refused to make Spore Colonies to fight both Corsairs and Dark Templars. His play was generally passive as for a Zerg but then, he didn't even try to play defensive-economic style, which is main goal for a passive vP Zerg. I don't know how much these things were figured out back in 2007, but at the time Savior was a Bonjwa, so he was at least supposed to show that he can learn from mistakes in previous games during the series. As Jaedong proved later in OSL finals versus Stork, this wasn't mission impossible.
What what the the fuck fuck? That blew my mind so much, I doubled every word in the phrase 'What the fuck' to get: 'What what the the fuck fuck my what the the fuck fucking what did the drop dropship medivac where in the what in the hell?' - Day[9]
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
March 02 2012 22:31 GMT
#309
bump

never forget
the courage to be a lazy bum
TyranoS_NiveK
Profile Joined April 2010
United States177 Posts
March 02 2012 22:32 GMT
#310
Indeed we never shall...
The best has yet to come.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
March 02 2012 22:33 GMT
#311
Holy hell this was a long time ago o.o
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
March 02 2012 22:34 GMT
#312
omg. this.
strava.com/athletes/zhaodynasty
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 22:42:18
March 02 2012 22:38 GMT
#313
now go bump bisu's osl win thread
oh wait

reported all of you
die

ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
March 02 2012 22:40 GMT
#314
hahahhaha
1:1 go sc2 LAN? Oh wait...
Pro7ecT
Profile Joined September 2011
Korea (South)66 Posts
March 02 2012 22:41 GMT
#315
Bisu <3
http://twitch.tv/pro7ect_kr | http://www.facebook.com/Pro7ecT | http://www.twitter.com/Pro7ecT
FreezingAssassin
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States455 Posts
March 02 2012 22:41 GMT
#316
lol so good
"I love when stupid stuff happens, it makes me look smart" - IdrA
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 02 2012 22:52 GMT
#317
This time, the revolution was televised.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
LunarC
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1186 Posts
March 02 2012 22:54 GMT
#318
Holy shit March 3rd is my birthday... and I'm a Bisu fan. It's like it was fated.
REEBUH!!!
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
March 02 2012 22:58 GMT
#319
I was wondering when somebody was going to bump this thread. lol
Coincidentally, Bisu is currently on a 3 game losing streak. Will he end that streak today?
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
March 02 2012 23:00 GMT
#320
Siigh So many difficult feelings.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
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