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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3389 Posts
1 hour ago
#21
Protoss won't disappear however lack of motivation gets to them. Streaming and playing BW is their daily job now and taking part in tournaments is their KPI. Winning is a nice bonus but the likes of Best and Bisu won't lose any sleep after getting knocked out of Ro24 lol.
Xenixx
Profile Joined June 2008
United States539 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-20 19:09:24
43 minutes ago
#22
First things first. Someone should actually prove that there is a race imbalance, that cannot be explained by players skill levels, decisions being made or luck in things like build orders, scouting, spawn pos. etc (you know, the little things that don't get enough attention).

It is still the case that everyone in this thread still making the case that Protoss is so disfavored has yet to tell us all, actually say it, actually type it out, that in those games where they lost, they deserved to win instead because they played better than their Zerg opponents.

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SoulKey went 4-3 folks. Not 4-0.
Please. I thought this was a joke at first, a satirical take and Bonyth comparing the BSL to the ASL by saying that a Zerg champion translates to game(s) lost in the BSL is just insane. I'm sorry but no one playing or who has played in the BSL is at that level or is even close to the ASL grand finals. And Bonyth and Dewalt are two of the best foreign players in that scene but it has been this way for decades. The foreign scene has never been on par with the korean pros and I guess at this point, never will.
Maks
Profile Joined December 2010
Ukraine206 Posts
13 minutes ago
#23
On October 21 2026 04:06 Xenixx wrote:
First things first. Someone should actually prove that there is a race imbalance, that cannot be explained by players skill levels, decisions being made or luck in things like build orders, scouting, spawn pos. etc (you know, the little things that don't get enough attention).

It is still the case that everyone in this thread still making the case that Protoss is so disfavored has yet to tell us all, actually say it, actually type it out, that in those games where they lost, they deserved to win instead because they played better than their Zerg opponents.

+ Show Spoiler +
SoulKey went 4-3 folks. Not 4-0.
Please. I thought this was a joke at first, a satirical take and Bonyth comparing the BSL to the ASL by saying that a Zerg champion translates to game(s) lost in the BSL is just insane. I'm sorry but no one playing or who has played in the BSL is at that level or is even close to the ASL grand finals. And Bonyth and Dewalt are two of the best foreign players in that scene but it has been this way for decades. The foreign scene has never been on par with the korean pros and I guess at this point, never will.

First, we need to establish whether such a balance even exists. It would be a miracle if the game turned out to be balanced (by which I mean each race winning around 33% of titles, give or take 5 percentage points), given that the last balance adjustments were made in early 2001, more than 25 years ago. Back then:

a) There was no real understanding of what makes a modern map.
b) There was no real understanding of the modern meta or build orders.
c) Many techniques hadn't been discovered yet, such as muta stacking.

As I've said many times before, Patch 1.08 wasn't a mistake in itself. It was a response to the challenges of its time. The mistake was not releasing subsequent patches.
Comedy
Profile Joined March 2016
475 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-10-20 19:49:49
5 minutes ago
#24
Protoss is actually easier to play at your level, Bonyth.

I don't think you can honestly say that your skill is far greater than Sziky's, or even eon's. Yet you are far more succesful. This is because at the top foreigner level, the protoss race is far most robust than for example Zerg is. Comparing your level to the very top level and making the same sweeping statements about balance as if it applies everywhere is just really silly.

Actually insane to blame balance for losing in one BSL to the likes of eon and sziky actually, holy crap. :D

How many BSL's has bonyth won because protoss is the most forgiving macro race with the slowest build time on units and where lack of multi-task and macro isnt punished as long as you can micro a few units optimally?
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