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United States10528 Posts
On June 01 2026 01:34 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2026 00:55 FlaShFTW wrote:On June 01 2026 00:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
flashftw got baited. If aim doesnt win a game with ghost he can consider himself the loser of this Grudge. Might've gotten baited but I'm not a coward. Well. It depends cuz you definitily Insult other posters in the forum and you are shielded by your ''TL status'' When other users answer you back in the same manner they get ban. That kind of applies to a Coward ? Still i think These grudgematches will be more fun when the skill is kind of similar. So this nerd Aim better put a show..
Posters with a history of poor posting get mod actioned. And my posts are at minimum on topic and contributing to the discussion. Stay on topic, address the topic, and the posts are fine. TL has lowered the bar considerably for post quality compared to when the forum was extremely active during KeSPA, half of the posts in the ASL thread would have gotten mod actioned if this was the past.
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On May 31 2026 06:14 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2026 06:09 SerpentFlame wrote:On May 31 2026 05:24 doktordingerdonger wrote:
of course its two terrans...
You should play a custom map with the exact scenario of Soma vs Flash at minute 4:45 Ditto this (for whatever timestamp is appropriate). Whoever thinks Flash could've won with float-to-nat should take Flash's position. Play Bo5. Anyone talking about 4:45 at that point in the game should also be forced to grudgematch me. Just yap, not engaging with the actual point of the game state at 3:41 because none of you can actually address that stage of the game.
8 billion people in this world and nobody cares about 3:41 except you.
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On June 01 2026 03:25 doktordingerdonger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2026 06:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 31 2026 06:09 SerpentFlame wrote:On May 31 2026 05:24 doktordingerdonger wrote:
of course its two terrans...
You should play a custom map with the exact scenario of Soma vs Flash at minute 4:45 Ditto this (for whatever timestamp is appropriate). Whoever thinks Flash could've won with float-to-nat should take Flash's position. Play Bo5. Anyone talking about 4:45 at that point in the game should also be forced to grudgematch me. Just yap, not engaging with the actual point of the game state at 3:41 because none of you can actually address that stage of the game. 8 billion people in this world and nobody cares about 3:41 except you.
Jinjin literally said that on Korean forums they were talking about funding spon games to recreate the situation from 3:41 ... now whether it materialises (I doubt it will lol) is another matter but lots of people do care about that.
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On June 01 2026 03:34 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2026 03:25 doktordingerdonger wrote:On May 31 2026 06:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 31 2026 06:09 SerpentFlame wrote:On May 31 2026 05:24 doktordingerdonger wrote:
of course its two terrans...
You should play a custom map with the exact scenario of Soma vs Flash at minute 4:45 Ditto this (for whatever timestamp is appropriate). Whoever thinks Flash could've won with float-to-nat should take Flash's position. Play Bo5. Anyone talking about 4:45 at that point in the game should also be forced to grudgematch me. Just yap, not engaging with the actual point of the game state at 3:41 because none of you can actually address that stage of the game. 8 billion people in this world and nobody cares about 3:41 except you. Jinjin literally said that on Korean forums they were talking about funding spon games to recreate the situation from 3:41 ... now whether it materialises (I doubt it will lol) is another matter but lots of people do care about that.
Strawmanning is universal in any culture
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On June 01 2026 03:34 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2026 03:25 doktordingerdonger wrote:On May 31 2026 06:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 31 2026 06:09 SerpentFlame wrote:On May 31 2026 05:24 doktordingerdonger wrote:
of course its two terrans...
You should play a custom map with the exact scenario of Soma vs Flash at minute 4:45 Ditto this (for whatever timestamp is appropriate). Whoever thinks Flash could've won with float-to-nat should take Flash's position. Play Bo5. Anyone talking about 4:45 at that point in the game should also be forced to grudgematch me. Just yap, not engaging with the actual point of the game state at 3:41 because none of you can actually address that stage of the game. 8 billion people in this world and nobody cares about 3:41 except you. Jinjin literally said that on Korean forums they were talking about funding spon games to recreate the situation from 3:41 ... now whether it materialises (I doubt it will lol) is another matter but lots of people do care about that.
Pros supposedly refused, so users went about and made UMS game and tested games. Between 2400 MMR users according to infos. Tested over 1st ling runby
https://www.youtube.com/live/jq7o6T15Ms4
1st game (terran win) ditched due to main Hatchery being misplaced
This is organized users between S ranks (2400) of the situation, and it was concluded it was about 7:3 for Zerg favor at that point.
Played over 500 balloons for game
Lot of conclusion seems to be that lings had to be cleaned up at main rather than going to natural. Terran felt that he initially thought Terran was in playable position before testing, but felt that Zerg being able to get Lair at that point was huge. And that Drones could be saved when 2nd round of lings went in, so gap widened further. The long rush distance means 2 Rax academy timing afterwards don't work.
Zerg user (TemuSoma) felt that it was about 7:3 ahead for Zerg in that situation. He felt if he delayed main as long as possible with army in main, and opponent got 2rax, turrets won't go up very fast in time. But 2rax aca is almost forced in that situation, so Terran can't help but to get harassed by muta after that.
Zerg streamer link: https://www.sooplive.com/station/hn00414
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On June 01 2026 04:32 doktordingerdonger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2026 03:34 TMNT wrote:On June 01 2026 03:25 doktordingerdonger wrote:On May 31 2026 06:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 31 2026 06:09 SerpentFlame wrote:On May 31 2026 05:24 doktordingerdonger wrote:
of course its two terrans...
You should play a custom map with the exact scenario of Soma vs Flash at minute 4:45 Ditto this (for whatever timestamp is appropriate). Whoever thinks Flash could've won with float-to-nat should take Flash's position. Play Bo5. Anyone talking about 4:45 at that point in the game should also be forced to grudgematch me. Just yap, not engaging with the actual point of the game state at 3:41 because none of you can actually address that stage of the game. 8 billion people in this world and nobody cares about 3:41 except you. Jinjin literally said that on Korean forums they were talking about funding spon games to recreate the situation from 3:41 ... now whether it materialises (I doubt it will lol) is another matter but lots of people do care about that. Strawmanning is universal in any culture
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You said nobody cares. Apparently a lot care. There are people on TL, Reddit, Youtube, Korean forums, etc. arguing over it.
Please enlighten me how "player X should have done this or that at Y minute" is a strange concept to you. That's just how every game ever has been discussed since the beginning of games. Why are you so fucking mad?
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lol both players are going to copy Flash's build order. whoever is the closest to copying is the winner.
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Korea (South)11598 Posts
Should be using the map challenger in a challenge like this. no excuses.
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On June 01 2026 04:46 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2026 03:34 TMNT wrote:On June 01 2026 03:25 doktordingerdonger wrote:On May 31 2026 06:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 31 2026 06:09 SerpentFlame wrote:On May 31 2026 05:24 doktordingerdonger wrote:
of course its two terrans...
You should play a custom map with the exact scenario of Soma vs Flash at minute 4:45 Ditto this (for whatever timestamp is appropriate). Whoever thinks Flash could've won with float-to-nat should take Flash's position. Play Bo5. Anyone talking about 4:45 at that point in the game should also be forced to grudgematch me. Just yap, not engaging with the actual point of the game state at 3:41 because none of you can actually address that stage of the game. 8 billion people in this world and nobody cares about 3:41 except you. Jinjin literally said that on Korean forums they were talking about funding spon games to recreate the situation from 3:41 ... now whether it materialises (I doubt it will lol) is another matter but lots of people do care about that. ... Zerg user (TemuSoma) felt that it was about 7:3 ahead for Zerg in that situation. He felt if he delayed main as long as possible with army in main, and opponent got 2rax, turrets won't go up very fast in time. But 2rax aca is almost forced in that situation, so Terran can't help but to get harassed by muta after that.
What's your interpretation of the 7:3 ratio? A game at 2400 mmr at 30%~ win probability has plenty of room for a comeback, but at the absolute highest level this likely would require soma to make some critical and unforced errors that aren't to be expected at that level.
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On June 01 2026 05:10 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2026 04:32 doktordingerdonger wrote:On June 01 2026 03:34 TMNT wrote:On June 01 2026 03:25 doktordingerdonger wrote:On May 31 2026 06:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 31 2026 06:09 SerpentFlame wrote:On May 31 2026 05:24 doktordingerdonger wrote:
of course its two terrans...
You should play a custom map with the exact scenario of Soma vs Flash at minute 4:45 Ditto this (for whatever timestamp is appropriate). Whoever thinks Flash could've won with float-to-nat should take Flash's position. Play Bo5. Anyone talking about 4:45 at that point in the game should also be forced to grudgematch me. Just yap, not engaging with the actual point of the game state at 3:41 because none of you can actually address that stage of the game. 8 billion people in this world and nobody cares about 3:41 except you. Jinjin literally said that on Korean forums they were talking about funding spon games to recreate the situation from 3:41 ... now whether it materialises (I doubt it will lol) is another matter but lots of people do care about that. Strawmanning is universal in any culture ? You said nobody cares. Apparently a lot care. There are people on TL, Reddit, Youtube, Korean forums, etc. arguing over it. Please enlighten me how "player X should have done this or that at Y minute" is a strange concept to you. That's just how every game ever has been discussed since the beginning of games. Why are you so fucking mad?
Indeed nobody cares, and you are nobodies
math checks out
User was temp banned for this post.
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On June 01 2026 09:54 doktordingerdonger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2026 05:10 TMNT wrote:On June 01 2026 04:32 doktordingerdonger wrote:On June 01 2026 03:34 TMNT wrote:On June 01 2026 03:25 doktordingerdonger wrote:On May 31 2026 06:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 31 2026 06:09 SerpentFlame wrote:On May 31 2026 05:24 doktordingerdonger wrote:
of course its two terrans...
You should play a custom map with the exact scenario of Soma vs Flash at minute 4:45 Ditto this (for whatever timestamp is appropriate). Whoever thinks Flash could've won with float-to-nat should take Flash's position. Play Bo5. Anyone talking about 4:45 at that point in the game should also be forced to grudgematch me. Just yap, not engaging with the actual point of the game state at 3:41 because none of you can actually address that stage of the game. 8 billion people in this world and nobody cares about 3:41 except you. Jinjin literally said that on Korean forums they were talking about funding spon games to recreate the situation from 3:41 ... now whether it materialises (I doubt it will lol) is another matter but lots of people do care about that. Strawmanning is universal in any culture ? You said nobody cares. Apparently a lot care. There are people on TL, Reddit, Youtube, Korean forums, etc. arguing over it. Please enlighten me how "player X should have done this or that at Y minute" is a strange concept to you. That's just how every game ever has been discussed since the beginning of games. Why are you so fucking mad? Indeed nobody cares, and you are nobodies math checks out
Does this thread have different rules regarding being an asshole because it's a grudgematch thread, or...?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51102 Posts
On June 01 2026 10:16 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2026 09:54 doktordingerdonger wrote:On June 01 2026 05:10 TMNT wrote:On June 01 2026 04:32 doktordingerdonger wrote:On June 01 2026 03:34 TMNT wrote:On June 01 2026 03:25 doktordingerdonger wrote:On May 31 2026 06:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 31 2026 06:09 SerpentFlame wrote:On May 31 2026 05:24 doktordingerdonger wrote:
of course its two terrans...
You should play a custom map with the exact scenario of Soma vs Flash at minute 4:45 Ditto this (for whatever timestamp is appropriate). Whoever thinks Flash could've won with float-to-nat should take Flash's position. Play Bo5. Anyone talking about 4:45 at that point in the game should also be forced to grudgematch me. Just yap, not engaging with the actual point of the game state at 3:41 because none of you can actually address that stage of the game. 8 billion people in this world and nobody cares about 3:41 except you. Jinjin literally said that on Korean forums they were talking about funding spon games to recreate the situation from 3:41 ... now whether it materialises (I doubt it will lol) is another matter but lots of people do care about that. Strawmanning is universal in any culture ? You said nobody cares. Apparently a lot care. There are people on TL, Reddit, Youtube, Korean forums, etc. arguing over it. Please enlighten me how "player X should have done this or that at Y minute" is a strange concept to you. That's just how every game ever has been discussed since the beginning of games. Why are you so fucking mad? Indeed nobody cares, and you are nobodies math checks out Does this thread have different rules regarding being an asshole because it's a grudgematch thread, or...?
Eh, Timezones are a bitch.
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On June 01 2026 10:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2026 10:16 Fleetfeet wrote:On June 01 2026 09:54 doktordingerdonger wrote:On June 01 2026 05:10 TMNT wrote:On June 01 2026 04:32 doktordingerdonger wrote:On June 01 2026 03:34 TMNT wrote:On June 01 2026 03:25 doktordingerdonger wrote:On May 31 2026 06:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 31 2026 06:09 SerpentFlame wrote:On May 31 2026 05:24 doktordingerdonger wrote:
of course its two terrans...
You should play a custom map with the exact scenario of Soma vs Flash at minute 4:45 Ditto this (for whatever timestamp is appropriate). Whoever thinks Flash could've won with float-to-nat should take Flash's position. Play Bo5. Anyone talking about 4:45 at that point in the game should also be forced to grudgematch me. Just yap, not engaging with the actual point of the game state at 3:41 because none of you can actually address that stage of the game. 8 billion people in this world and nobody cares about 3:41 except you. Jinjin literally said that on Korean forums they were talking about funding spon games to recreate the situation from 3:41 ... now whether it materialises (I doubt it will lol) is another matter but lots of people do care about that. Strawmanning is universal in any culture ? You said nobody cares. Apparently a lot care. There are people on TL, Reddit, Youtube, Korean forums, etc. arguing over it. Please enlighten me how "player X should have done this or that at Y minute" is a strange concept to you. That's just how every game ever has been discussed since the beginning of games. Why are you so fucking mad? Indeed nobody cares, and you are nobodies math checks out Does this thread have different rules regarding being an asshole because it's a grudgematch thread, or...? Eh, Timezones are a bitch.
I fucked up my delivery, but it was a genuine question and not -just- me being passive-aggressive. Appreciate the response and the work!
Speaking of timezones I doubt I'll be available for the event live, but I'll definitely have to check out the cast after the fact!
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Where can I read the grudge?
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Poland3769 Posts
On May 30 2026 16:04 FlaShFTW wrote:FlaShFTW (T) vs A.Alm (T) Grudge Match Date: June 7, 2026 Time: 10:00am CST/6:00pm CEST Matchup: TvT Bo7 Map order: Jane Doe, Octagon, Neo Sylphid, Pole Star, Knockout, Attitude, Match Point Location/Casters: Azhi_Dahaki | www.twitch.tv/azhi_dahakiReason: Argument over Soma vs FlaSh Game 7 and general troll/rage baiting. Punishment: An apology/humiliation post in the blog forum admitting defeat and that the other person has superior game knowledge, followed by a 1 week temp ban from Teamliquid which will be requested within their blog post. A.Alm and I have agreed on the above match and punishment.
I have to admit, this is a level of nerdism I'm more nostalgic about than KeSPA Proleague. I'll do my best to tune in.
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Who cares about the actual games, I wanna hear the trash talk
your girlfriend should suck a dick
my dick, that is
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How old are you again flashftw ?
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Northern Ireland27207 Posts
On May 30 2026 16:59 evilfatsh1t wrote:
can we get a volunteer to grudge match mtcn next?
Who wants to be humiliated by his Queen rush into infesting your CC that would totally work and isn’t a sign he doesn’t actually play the game?
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EPT
