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is awesome32274 Posts
As many of you know by now, LastShadow was banned this week. However, this thread will not seek to elaborate further on this fact. FakeSteve's explanation on the ban can be found here for those of you who have not seen it. Instead there is another area of his existence that we have an obligation to elucidate to the community: one of cheating and abuse.
While LastShadow's questionable forum behavior has been well documented, his cheating ways heretofore have not. This thread will change that. We have compiled a pack of replays where LastShadow is seen playing with "rigged" maps that give his race, Terran, an unnatural advantage. Simply put, the units are cheaper and they build faster.
His "abuse" was spotted against a variety of players, in a multitude of settings and on a wide selection of maps themselves. But how exactly would we describe this crime? After all, he isn't "hacking" right?
I believe CTStalker said it best when he commented with the following.
"...rigging maps is taking advantage of an implicit trust between a gamer and his opponent for using legitimate UMS melee maps..."
This "trust" is indeed the crux of the matter at hand. Is this "trust" not one of the most inherent and important elements in this community? Without this inherent and understood relationship between members of the community, would any of our interactions hold up? LastShadow has clearly violated this implicit trust, and he must understand the seriousness of his actions.
We have arranged below the known instances of LastShadow's rigged map use in chronological order. Details of how we extracted the map data can be found in the spoiler tag directly below.
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=56292
Here's a guide to Rexplorer. Rexplorer is a utility that bends the info on a replay and some extra tool with the windows environment. It allows you to quickly get info from the rep without watching it but also to get map pictures (overviews), extract maps from replay files and many other things.
Normally known maps would be locked, but when extracting maps from most of LastShadow's replays, you can see they are not. This is because LastShadow unlocked known versions of maps (WGTour, ICCup) and changed unit costs, unit build times and even units stats in some of them). Then he forgot to re-lock them, so the process of checking it became even easier.
With Rexplorer installed, you right click a replay and select "Extract map" -> "extract here" and voilá: you have the map that was used to play that game. After that, you just open the map with StarCraft's map editor and you can change any properties, in this case unit's costs.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.gif) Xion_G.ShadOw vs ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.gif) Art.DawN (XDawn) 1 (Played on 28/07/2007)
Played on: WGT14 - Lost Temple 2.4 (Ob), rigged in favor of T.
+ Show Spoiler [A little help from the map editor] +
Marine (build time 24->21)
Vulture (build time 30->25, cost 75->50)
Goliath (build time 40->35)
Siege Tank (build time 50->44, cost 150/100->125/100)
SCV (build time 20->18)
Firebat (build time 24->21)
Medic (build time 30->25)
Science Vessel (build time 80->75)
Wraith (build time 60->55)
Command Center (build time 120->100)
Supply Depot (build time 40->38)
Refinery (build time 40->38)
Barracks (build time 80->70)
Factory (build time 80->75)
Science facility (build time 60->55)
Armory (build time 80->75)
Academy (build time 80->75)
Eng. bay (build time 60->55)
Missile Turret (build time 30->25)
Physics lab (build time 40->35)
Xion_G.ShadOw vs Art.DawN (XDawn) 2 (Played on 28/07/2007)
Xion_G.ShadOw (LastShadow) vs ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.gif) Xion_G.Fenix (Played on 31/07/2007)
GorillA[FARM] (LastShadow) vs Xion_G.MIStrZZZ 1 (Played on 31/07/2007)
Played on: Tau Cross 1.1, rigged mainly for TvP
+ Show Spoiler +Marine (build time 24->20, hit points 40->35) (LOL)
Vulture (build time 30->25, cost 75->50)
Goliath (build time 40->35, cost 100/50-> 75/50)
Siege Tank (build time 50->45, cost 150/100->125/75)
SCV (build time 20->18)
Firebat (build time 24->20, hit points 50->45) (LOL)
Medic (build time 30->25, hit points 60->55) (LOL)
Science Vessel (build time 80->55, cost 100/225->100/200)
Wraith (build time 60->55, cost 150/100->125/100)
Dropship (build time 50->40)
Battlecruiser (build time 133->90, cost 400/300->300/250)
Command Center (build time 120->100)
Supply Depot (build time 40->38)
Refinery (build time 40->38)
Barracks (build time 80->75)
Factory (build time 80->70, cost 200/100->150/100)
Starport (build time 70->60, cost 150/100-> 125/100)
Science facility (build time 60->55)
Armory (build time 80->75)
Academy (build time 80->75)
Eng. bay (build time 60->55)
Missile Turret (build time 30->25)
Physics lab (build time 40->35)
GorillA[FARM] (LastShadow) vs MIStrZZZ 2 (Played on 31/07/2007)
GorillA[FARM] (LAstShadow) vs MIStrZZZ 3 (Played on 31/07/2007)
Played on: BKC-7 Gaia1.0, rigged mainly for TvP
+ Show Spoiler [Terran buff] +Marine (build time 24->20)
Vulture (build time 30->25, cost 75->50)
Goliath (build time 40->34, cost 100/50-> 75/50)
Siege Tank (build time 50->45, cost 150/100->125/100)
SCV (build time 20->18)
Science Vessel (build time 80->55, cost 100/225-> 100/200)
Command Center (build time 120->100)
Supply Depot (build time 40->38)
Refinery (build time 40->37)
Barracks (build time 80->70)
Factory (build time 80->75)
Starport (build time 70->60)
Science facility (build time 60->50)
Armory (build time 80->75)
DeathLife (LastShadow) vs Spekkio (Played on 16/11/2007)
Played on: Tau Cross v12Test, rigged in favor of T.
+ Show Spoiler [magic magic magic] +Marine (build time 24->21)
Vulture (build time 30->25, cost 75->50)
Goliath (build time 40->35)
Siege Tank (build time 50->45, cost 150/100->125/100)
SCV (build time 20->19)
Firebat (build time 24->21)
Medic (build time 30->25)
Science Vessel (build time 80->70, cost 100/225->100/200)
Dropship (build time 50->45)
Battlecruiser (build time 133->111, cost 400/300->350/250)
Command Center (build time 120->100)
Supply Depot (build time 40->39)
Refinery (build time 40->39)
Barracks (build time 80->75)
Factory (build time 80->75)
Starport (build time 70->65)
Science facility (build time 60->75) (WHAT?)
Eng. bay (build time 60->55)
Inferno (LastShadow) vs Forece Divided By Area (Chill) 1 (Played on 25/11/2007)
Inferno (LastShadow) vs Forece Divided By Area (Chill) 2 (Played on 25/11/2007)
Inferno (LastShadow) vs Forece Divided By Area (Chill) 3 (Played on 25/11/2007)
Played on: Gaia 1.1, rigged in favor of T.
+ Show Spoiler [modifications] +Even though he didn't have an advantage on this map, it just proves how many different versions of rigged maps he has and this isn't just a mistake like he tried to argue before.
Inferno (LastShadow) vs zulu (zulu_nation8) (Played on 26/11/2007)
Played on: _ iCCup _ Tau Cross, rigged for TvZ
+ Show Spoiler [Patch notes] +Marine (build time 24->22)
Siege Tank (build time 50->45, cost 150/100->125/100)
SCV (build time 20->19) (wut)
Firebat (build time 24->22)
Medic (build time 30->25)
Science Vessel (build time 80->70)
Dropship (build time 50->45)
Command Center (build time 120->100)
Supply Depot (build time 40->39)
Refinery (build time 40->39)
Barracks (build time 80->75)
Factory (build time 80->75)
Starport (build time 70->65)
Academy (build time 80->75)
Eng. bay (build time 60->55)
Missile Turret (build time 30->29)
One can clearly see that LastShadow has been consistently abusing modified maps over the course of several months. He has used them in friendly games (vs Chill/Zulu), and he has used them in serious games (vs MIStrZZZ). In every imaginable circumstance, he has consistently and repeatedly cheated. I should not have to explain why this is absolutely unacceptable.
When Nony caught LastShadow red-handed several weeks ago, LastShadow claimed that "it was a mistake", and that he would make sure to get rid of all his altered maps. But here we are now, with clear evidence that he used yet another set of rigged maps, attempting to abuse his way out of playing zulu_nation_8 and Chill on equal terms. Not only did LastShadow go out of bounds to begin with, he has compounded his wrongdoings by going back on his own words. There is simply no excuse for this kind of behavior.
The community has been wronged, and it has a right to be told the truth. We go back again to the issue of trust in the community and in the game in general. Perhaps the person behind the "LastShadow" character can reinvent himself, this time as a morally scrupulous and upstanding character. However, the persona "LastShadow", cheater and abuser, has no place in our community.
Thank you to everyone who was involved in the investigation process. This would not have been possible without your time, effort, and resources.
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LOL GOSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU !!!!!!!
SHADOWTERRAN FTW
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Ya I played him on that rigged tau cross map. I was suprised that he was able to win with goliath/tank only, despite not playing very well
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Where be the replays? I must see them :D
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trash like that always cheats
good thing im 2-0 up.
I don't think I played on the rigged maps though
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yes, his last remains are finished!
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rofl i remember him calling me trash and i 4-0ed him, even with his special maps lol
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Ahahahahhahahaahahhahahahahhaaha.
The best part is how he got away with calling it a mistake and then DID IT AGAIN LMAFAO
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On November 30 2007 13:01 Scorpion wrote:
Where be the replays? I must see them :D
They're linked in the OP, RigReps.Rar
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ITW is a straight-up gangsta.
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it's good for the community to know the truth, and to keep an eye out in the future for rigged maps from lastshadow specifically, but also just in general
thanks for your efforts in compiling this case
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Definitely a win for the community as a whole, post around to your b.net friends. I saw the replays a few days ago and they are quite entertaining.
As for Last Shadow himself?....I guess he just couldn't handle the pressure of playing legit.
+ Show Spoiler +Oh come on someone had to start it
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is awesome32274 Posts
On November 30 2007 13:06 ArC_man wrote:
ITW is too good.
The engineering of this took many people to be finished, I just dropped the drama-bomb.
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United States10774 Posts
HAHHAH
hf gl LS. Long live.
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LOLLLL thought this was a joke at first, but watch the reps!
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thanks ITW.... i can't believe someone would even do something like that o.O that's despicable.
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On November 30 2007 13:15 IntoTheWow wrote:The engineering of this took many people to be finished, I just dropped the drama-bomb.
ITW's drama-bombs are too good.
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United States20661 Posts
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hahaha, just when I was starting to feel a bit sorry for him being constantly flamed, even though he was a douche:O
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I wonder how fun it is to win on a rigged map? Also wonder how widespread this is. I doubt it is but I cant say that it's super obvius to see the difference in buildtime when you just watch his reps semi lazy, not knowing if the map is rigged or not.
I guess he'll be coming back to the community in one way or another and atleast now he will have the peoples eye on him.
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can't say I'm surprised at all
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This poor kid is going to go hang himself. Or be forced to get a social life.
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I remember there being a PvT rep posted on gg.net where he won vs idra (as in he played offrace vs idra) and idra found out he rigged the map, was curious as to why nothing was brought up :O
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TL FTW
Lastshadow epic fails
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He deserved it. He's been caught several times and still kept going at it while shamelessly self-promoting himself.
There's a lesson to be learned here: don't fucking hack/rigg/exploit and expect to get away with it. Great job ITW and everyone else that worked on this
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On November 30 2007 13:35 Polar wrote:
This poor kid is going to go hang himself. Or be forced to get a social life.
he has options, he can make a new ID and post better and not cheat and he will be able to participate in the community again. it'd be best if he didn't leak his identity though, he's developed a bit of a following :/
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Sad, I caught him doing this before, but it looks like it is a hard addiction to break...unfortunate.
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lol this is funny.
i remember him 3-0ing me and calling himself a "macro monster" and saying his macro was as good as oov's.
well, good job to those who found it out!
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Wow... I can't believe someone would do that. It's so dumb and so easy to get caught.
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hahahahahaha, I knew he was lame but never thought he was always hitting below the belt
Rofl
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owned.
fuking scum of society!
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Calgary25980 Posts
I was so pissed when we found this out, you have no idea. People much better than him give him casual games, and this is what he does? And you know he's running off to show his fans after he wins.
Fuck him. We put up with his shit for too long.
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did he get banned, I mean he can't respond to this eh?
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ahahaha man honestly, after i read that first guide of his where he presented himself as the almighty terran god that can wtfpwn anybody, his character was a JOKE to me. I hope you're reading this lastshadow because you should know, for one, nobody likes you. And two, people will ALWAYS eventually get caught abusing/cheating. Good job for being one of them! and Don't come back to TL.net because it's throwing a BIG "fuck off" sign at you. I'm saying this on behalf of everyone I assume. Thanks.
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Does this mean his guide is now void because he bases everything off his special maps LOL.
This is almost too hilarious and out right deserving to be true. I can't believe he outright fufilled the ideal of being a lame 14 year old cheater.
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Anyone remember the Shadow rush or w.e? I guess it could work if everything cost so little.
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LOOOOOOLLLLL too funny
someone should unban him just so we can see what he has to say about all this.
This actually made my day.
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thats funny. I hope all assholes like him can get called out publicly : )~
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Man.. I remember when I was 14. And I wasn't some ridiculously lying faggot like him trying to show off to a community how godly he was.
I'm kind of interested as to how this investigation took place anyways. Was there initial suspicions about this beforehand? Like better players playing against him felt like something wasn't right?
The changes he imposed weren't as big as I thought it would have been, but that's obviously to his advantage because it wouldn't have been as obvious. But for players who have been playing for a long time, they would know the timings of the game very well and would be able to have a good idea of how many units (and of what kind) he should have at a given point, especially if they're planning on doing some timed rush.
It was kinda stupid anyways, some random no namer popping out of no where writing a guide to prove how imba "his own" strategy are. "The LASTSHADOW Guide to GREATNESS to become like ME". What a sack of bullshit.
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Wow, this just made my day, well done!
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Any no-name doing big talk about being "the best" or similar is to be considered suspicious (that's just a consequence of the many cheaters nowadays).
Good job in hunting him down. 
Although I don't know or care about him, I do care about any cheaters being caught.
Cheaters must die, and there should be no forgiveness, ever.
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HonestTea
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A little bonus for you guys:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=53683
I have chosen to write a Tv? Super Pressure Style Guide...
Due to many people asking me to write a Super Pressure Oriented Terran Guide® on wgt/gg.net/b.net...
This will allow me to jump to my 3 factories very fast and get to my fast pressure style immediately. Since he will lose goons, I can fastly reproduce and soon jump to 5fact Tornado.
...ultimately giving me the lead going into a Pressure Push
...it is a good opener to my super pressure style
It is GREAT macro into a pressure style build, and can usually shift whichever way needed( turtle/pressure…pressure ftw!)
Start a pressure contain
I find this rush the most flexible and pressure oriented out of most of my pressure rushes.
completely safe from any early pressure style
Since this build is used to combat a pressure protoss
This will cause Pressure(which I love !)
I prefer marines for a soon-to-come pressure style
unless you think like me in thinking a line of 80 billion mines is a contain awaiting your 2 tanks to arrive to start a pressure push!).
So again…brain pressure!?
So there you have it. My TvP Openings/rushes. They are all generally to get a lead or a pressure style going. However granted I don’t talk much about my pressure
(this one is LOL)
with severe harass and very very fast pressure.
Generally pressure styles allows a terran to come back
Reversing the pressure is generally the only way I’ve been notice my style loses.
(but...)
however I do perform very well under pressure. Remember…NEVER LET THE PRESSURE UP CONSTANTLY GIVE IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT MIGHT HURT. Since I play medium scv style/ mix of nada/perfective I can easily turtle or pressure…I prefer to Tessure? aka Contain.
Goodluck Pressure terrans!
Good luck to you LaStShaDoW!~
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
lastshadow - it's nobody's fault to be 14 and lame, just happens. what you are entirely responsible for is trying to deceive the starcraft community, because cheating is really just a big 'fuck you' to everyone you try to fool.
bad luck you tried to pull that shit here, maybe ggnet would have let you get away with it. even then people are rarely as stupid as you think, especially if you are stupid yourself. better luck next time dipshit!
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Wow... this guy is a fucking loser
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On November 30 2007 14:17 BlueRoyaL wrote:
Man.. I remember when I was 14. And I wasn't some ridiculously lying faggot like him trying to show off to a community how godly he was.
I'm kind of interested as to how this investigation took place anyways. Was there initial suspicions about this beforehand? Like better players playing against him felt like something wasn't right?
The changes he imposed weren't as big as I thought it would have been, but that's obviously to his advantage because it wouldn't have been as obvious. But for players who have been playing for a long time, they would know the timings of the game very well and would be able to have a good idea of how many units (and of what kind) he should have at a given point, especially if they're planning on doing some timed rush.
It was kinda stupid anyways, some random no namer popping out of no where writing a guide to prove how imba "his own" strategy are. "The LASTSHADOW Guide to GREATNESS to become like ME". What a sack of bullshit.
Apparently he was previously caught rigging maps against Idra, exalted, and Nony. It was easy enough to check if he was still doing it.
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In the words of Guilty Gear X fans. D-E-S-T-R-O-Y-E-D.
Well done to everyone who collaborated to bring this event to the community and catch him out.
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I have reps of him having his friend talk on the phone with him and tell him everything i was doing that was pretty lame too if you ask me
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On November 30 2007 14:42 GoSuPlAyEr wrote:
I have reps of him having his friend talk on the phone with him and tell him everything i was doing that was pretty lame too if you ask me
Ditto.
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That guy is fuckin awesome! He tries what Blizzard told mappers to do: Try to change Unit properties to make the game more balanced.
He just did what Blizzard told him to do!
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So I guess the stereotype about German senses of humor is pretty accurate...
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Epic thread
Should put it next to lastshadow's guide.
Hey on da bright side, maybe he will drop the attitude and get a life =x
like uhh i have no idea how u make friends with that bigotry
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Thanks ITW, the last one was just great.
however I do perform very well under pressure. Remember…NEVER LET THE PRESSURE UP CONSTANTLY GIVE IT NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT MIGHT HURT. Since I play medium scv style/ mix of nada/perfective I can easily turtle or pressure…I prefer to Tessure? aka Contain.
He plays mix of nada/perfective guyses!!
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As usual my instincts are right on. Stimey, Carlodajin, now LastShadow. RIP mother fuckers.
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United States7166 Posts
I never liked this kid from the moment I saw his first guide. This totally reminds me that I should be more suspicious of people who act like he does. Somehow they're the most likely to cheat.
oh and all cheaters should go to hell
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wow, wow, intothewow!
i never liked this superegoistic guy jumping on every [H] threads and saying "you suck, you micro sucks, your macro sucks, you suck".
I guess it would be nice to add a feature in RExplorer, or make it a standalone program, which checks the maps for consistencies.
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I hate to be the only one not hopping on the good job ITW bandwagon because I believe this community should know if they already didn't by now of his map rigging. The thing is, he is probably reading this thread and getting all the attention he so desperately craves which is basically another win for him.
+ Show Spoiler +But in the spirit of appreciation for the official message, thanks ITW 
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wow he changed a lot of unit costs and build times. you'd think that upping just a couple of units by 10% would give you enough.. -_-
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ya i infested terraned him with rigged map, lastshadow go practice im c- iccup LOL
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fuck you lastshadow you're a dumbass
and we all were giving you fake compliments on your fucking shitty guide learn to write you little retard
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^a bit bitter
one thing i was thinking, lastshadow may well have been a maphacker. keep an eye out for that as well, if he's lacking morals enough to rig maps he may well be a mh'er as well
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It's about time, I called him out so long ago along with his stupid forum antics. However, he'll just smurf along TL and bnet now, but he's still terrible at the game.
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Props to Zulu who dominated Lastshadow from beginning to end on a rigged map.
Lastshadow's TvP really does seem Oov-like against Mistrzzz. However, while oov posseses cheating-like macro, Lastshadow is the true "Cheater Terran."
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fukin stupid kid ultimate bm revealed.
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He's only 14 years old, you guys are hurting him
don't be so hard on him even if hes a fag
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Its called learning. I had pretty strong morals at 14.
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Why? He's a pathetic little turd whose parents probably hate him anyways. His delusions of grandeur were going to be crushed sooner or later.
EDIT: to SLoGgErDoGgEr
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I was THIS close to messaging the guy before this thread was created, warning him to make an apologetic topic and confess his sins before things got ugly.
Apparently I didn't :o
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Don't worry lastshadow, hopefully you'll grow up someday. But until you do, please stay away.
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INTERNET JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED.
what an ass.
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as I logged into teamliquid and saw this thread, the funkadelic song jimmy's got a little bit of bitch in him came up on shuffle on itunes...coincidence? I think not.
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United States10774 Posts
On November 30 2007 17:22 Elwood Blues wrote:
as I logged into teamliquid and saw this thread, the funkadelic song jimmy's got a little bit of bitch in him came up on shuffle on itunes...coincidence? I think not.
LOL
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Canada9720 Posts
On November 30 2007 17:22 Elwood Blues wrote:
as I logged into teamliquid and saw this thread, the funkadelic song jimmy's got a little bit of bitch in him came up on shuffle on itunes...coincidence? I think not.
funkadelic own
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LOOOOOOOOL @ itw's quote post. Sheer awesome
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I regret not flaming you enough when you were around lastshadow.
Fuck you
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
On November 30 2007 15:56 araav wrote:I guess it would be nice to add a feature in RExplorer, or make it a standalone program, which checks the maps for consistencies.
It's been discussed with another forum member and I believe such a program could be made easily ; however, I do not have enough time for this right now. Since RepASM's sources are available (and are somehow similar to ReXplorer's ones except for the UI part), if any of you wants to make such a program I'd be happy to help and host it on repasm.net
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LOL I beat him pvt on a rigged map then?
edit: I'll look for the replay on my other HD when I get home :p
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just watched the game againt zulu. Thats gota be the sadest shit I have ever seen. He goes SK terran and stays in base all game LMFAO. Not to mention the 2k surplus and not producing a single tank when lurkers are at his choke. This kid really thinks his good?
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He even lied about beating my friend 3-1 to my other friend when they didn't even play anymore matches after lastshadow lost. I'm going to tell my friend how much LastShadow sucks! pressure terran loses :O
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wow scum of the communtiy.
Fucking die please.
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also what the fuck was wiht downgrading unit hitpoints, or editing them all, by far the most notable difference you jackass.
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his tvz is beyond useless lol
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On November 30 2007 14:27 intrigue wrote:
lastshadow - it's nobody's fault to be 14 and lame, just happens. what you are entirely responsible for is trying to deceive the starcraft community, because cheating is really just a big 'fuck you' to everyone you try to fool.
bad luck you tried to pull that shit here, maybe ggnet would have let you get away with it. even then people are rarely as stupid as you think, especially if you are stupid yourself. better luck next time dipshit!
shit man, i definiely was lame at 14, but nowhere near this douchebag.
im honestly surprised it took so long, cuz i could never take this tool seriously with anything... gneeral posts, strat posts , etc.
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LOL. So they guy was "hacking" ?
I never thought he was anything more that a decent terran that liked to flame.
Still, the guy used rigged maps to win, that's so sad.
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Wow, when I was 14, I stole a map to get into (U) (famous mapping clan back in the day(I'm 17 now, so think 3 years ago) and got fame on SEN(Staredit.net).
Then, my friend found out I took his map and joined (U) with it so he posted on SEN and I ended up confessing. I am probably still known as a map stealer though <3
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Zurich15328 Posts
Pretty pathetic, considering his boasting in the strategy forum. And to think I actually contemplated trying the "shadow push" with factories that actually cost 200/100....
I'll never understand what people get from cheating. But giving all his bragging he prolly was just under alot of pressure.
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Wait wait wait....doesn't Hotbid have LastShadow's AIM screen name or something? I recall a post where he kept messaging him "PRESSURE" in increasing caps.
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Calgary25980 Posts
He gave his AIM out in "The fabulous rich and powerful life of LastShadow" thread.
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Braavos36375 Posts
I believe you mean this picture:
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On December 01 2007 00:47 Chill wrote:
He gave his AIM out in "The fabulous rich and powerful life of LastShadow" thread.
;D
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hahaha i wonder if he's ever going to log back onto the screen name...i hope he gets like a hundred messages of "pressure" or "SHADOW RUSH"
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just makes it even more fucking lame that I got banned for 2 days because I posted Under pressure David Bowie on this retard's guide. thanks for sticking up for him though Chill, we now know how cool he is and why is guide deserved respect
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Braavos36375 Posts
On December 01 2007 00:58 t0wel wrote:
just makes it even more fucking lame that I got banned for 2 days because I posted Under pressure David Bowie on this retard's guide. thanks for sticking up for him though Chill, we now know how cool he is and why is guide deserved respect
Sup. 1 week.
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Reading through his guides I've always thought there's something wrong with it. TvP is what I call my best mu but lastshadow completely confused me. Nothing seemed right in his guides as if he could produce units as fast as zerglings. I even got banned in the strategy forum for accusing him of using rigged maps not long ago. I hope this topic mildens my penalty.
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On December 01 2007 01:22 ForAdun wrote:
Reading through his guides I've always thought there's something wrong with it. TvP is what I call my best mu but lastshadow completely confused me. Nothing seemed right in his guides as if he could produce units as fast as zerglings. I even got banned in the strategy forum for accusing him of using rigged maps not long ago. I hope this topic mildens my penalty.
mild·en /ˈmaɪldn/
–verb (used with object), verb (used without object)
to make or become mild or milder.
Wow, I totally did not know that. I guess you learn something every day. Good thing I checked dictionary.com before laughing at you for making up a word.
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lol, sorry I only speak basic english, I'm just learning. I don't know myself if that's correct or not.
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Calgary25980 Posts
I can't imagine what you're saying is true, but link me to your post where you got banned and I'll look at it. Somehow I doubt you are a knight in shining armour as your claim, but we'll see.
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Yeah it's just a word that I've never really heard used before, I'm going to use it now in class and my law professors will correct me and then be pwned.
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On December 01 2007 01:26 Chill wrote:
I can't imagine what you're saying is true, but link me to your post where you got banned and I'll look at it. Somehow I doubt you are a knight in shining armour as your claim, but we'll see.
Mr. Chill, what good is a link to you when he is unable to post?
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He can post it here? I searched his post history and I can't find his post in that thread. I guess I could read the LastShadow guides, but I don't know which one's hes talking about.
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This is ridiculous, I've made like 100 posts in the last day. Look at my post history graph since I started working (May '07). I'm going to get fired 100% -_-
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On December 01 2007 01:26 Hot_Bid wrote:
Yeah it's just a word that I've never really heard used before, I'm going to use it now in class and my law professors will correct me and then be pwned.
Hot_Bid?
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http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=62741
You (Chill) PM'ed me that I got banned from the strategy forum. My post was on the last page of the topic, right after BluzMan's post where he asked since when tanks deal 101 damage. I decided to be ironic and claim that lastshadow uses rigged maps. Back then it was just a joke but now that I know the truth I remembered it all.
We both then had a small PM debate after you PM'ed me that I got banned from the strategy forum. A bit later my post got deleted, this is why you can't find it.
edit: Of course I'm sorry that I offended you through PM, at that point I didn't have the feeling that I did something wrong. I was a little bit angry because I wanted to keep posting in the strategy forum.
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I dunno dude I could go either way on that. You posted, in a thread about Optic Flare, "1 wraith > Reaver drop" which has no point in that thread at all (it's been ninja edited now). Then you went on to flame LastShadow for no reason (Yes, in retrospect you were right, but you had no point bringing that seemingly random comment up at that point). I'll get back to you on this.
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Wow this is ridiculous....did nobody notice that he was changing the HP of units? Shouldn't that be super super obvious?
oh and even though he played those people on rigged maps did he still lose? >:D
edit: I'm a dumbass, I'll download the reps
I watched the rep against Bly. I never saw him play but I assumed he had to be like at least a decent Terran if he was publicly claiming to have an A+ Terran in strat guides on TL and stuff...but he played like a D terran...even with the rig he had 2.5k excess minerals, stopped making units at 150/200, mined out his main and nat, literally never left his choke once the entire game, even against Bly droning after 6 lurkers containing and muta harass/ling. 4 control groups of MM containing by lurkers, sitting around waiting to irradiate, not even a single tank to break the contain.
I also liked the dropship sitting on top of the hatch at the 6 3rd expo for like 5 minutes with 8 marines in it
I wouldn't be surprised if he maphacked either, like in this first PvZ against Chill he scouts a hatch at nat making, then leaves, and then he doesn't make a single cannon or even a forge? He had 1 templar at 8:30 and he just failed a leg zealot rush? How could a competent protoss player not make a single cannon at either nexus by the 8:30 mark against a zerg that he literally saw NOTHING of and NEVER scouted past the nat for 2 seconds? Unless he has that Mistrzz game sense....and also the 1.5k minerals built up by 9 minutes, of course.
You'd also think someone who is as good as Mistrzz would think it was weird that the terran has outmassed him at the 9:50 mark with 140 population? How many times have you ever seen a terran get population that fast? And he's got 3 expos at 9 minutes in the 3rd game, outmasses Mistrzz AFTER losing his army a bunch, AND has the money to have 4 tanks queued in 2 facs and 4 vults queued in 5 facs AND still have 2000 minerals and 500 gas left over? Lol.
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What a peculiar little person.
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On December 01 2007 01:44 HonkHonkBeep wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous....did nobody notice that he was changing the HP of units? Shouldn't that be super super obvious?
oh and even though he played those people on rigged maps did he still lose? >:D
edit: I'm a dumbass, I'll download the reps
I watched the rep against Bly. I never saw him play but I assumed he had to be like at least a decent Terran if he was publicly claiming to have an A+ Terran in strat guides on TL and stuff...but he played like a D terran...even with the rig he had 2.5k excess minerals, stopped making units at 150/200, mined out his main and nat, literally never left his choke once the entire game, even against Bly droning after 6 lurkers containing and muta harass/ling. 4 control groups of MM containing by lurkers, sitting around waiting to irradiate, not even a single tank to break the contain.
I also liked the dropship sitting on top of the hatch at the 6 3rd expo for like 5 minutes with 8 marines in it
I wouldn't be surprised if he maphacked either, like in this first PvZ against Chill he scouts a hatch at nat making, then leaves, and then he doesn't make a single cannon or even a forge? He had 1 templar at 8:30 and he just failed a leg zealot rush? How could a competent protoss player not make a single cannon at either nexus by the 8:30 mark against a zerg that he literally saw NOTHING of and NEVER scouted past the nat for 2 seconds? Unless he has that Mistrzz game sense....and also the 1.5k minerals built up by 9 minutes, of course.
You'd also think someone who is as good as Mistrzz would think it was weird that the terran has outmassed him at the 9:50 mark with 140 population? How many times have you ever seen a terran get population that fast? And he's got 3 expos at 9 minutes in the 3rd game, outmasses Mistrzz AFTER losing his army a bunch, AND has the money to have 4 tanks queued in 2 facs and 4 vults queued in 5 facs AND still have 2000 minerals and 500 gas left over? Lol.
basically, he cannot keep up with his owned rigged maps rofl.
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As is obvious, anyone has the right to be immune from flaming in TL.net; anyone that randomly without reason flames on another recieves warns or time bans.
THIS is like one of the only times we get to talk shit about someone; when they've been caught as an idiot and a little scrub.
While I'm not a fan of flaming, there just seems to be too many reasons to flame on this kid; more so on the hopes that from somewhere/some proxy that he's reading this.
What I found hilarious was when I went to the thread for his "LastShad0w TvP Pressure guide", there were so many comments such as "really nice guide" "Thanks so Much!!! <33" "Omg sexy TvP guide". ahahaha all of us got owned ;p
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Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready. 
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Muahahha interesting.
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Force Divided By Area
Lulz @ physics joke. Oh how nerdy we all are =]
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most of those were sarcasm BlueRoyal, we just wanted to boost his ego before the big showdown lol
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blueroyal has romanian blood apparently
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On November 30 2007 16:46 SLoGgErDoGgEr wrote:
He's only 14 years old, you guys are hurting him
don't be so hard on him even if hes a fag
you had no problem being a faggot to me when i was 14
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omg guys just watch the game vs zulu it was pure newb bash even if he hacked lololol
what a newb :\
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Games vs XDawn are equally rape.
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And here's me thinking that LastShadow was really gosu after reading his TvP guide.
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lol even I beat LastShadow and I'm pretty damn bad =o
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On December 01 2007 00:15 Scorpion wrote:
Wow, when I was 14, I stole a map to get into (U) (famous mapping clan back in the day(I'm 17 now, so think 3 years ago) and got fame on SEN(Staredit.net).
Then, my friend found out I took his map and joined (U) with it so he posted on SEN and I ended up confessing. I am probably still known as a map stealer though <3
What was your name on (U), Scorpion?
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On December 01 2007 04:33 Flaccid wrote:Lulz @ physics joke. Oh how nerdy we all are =]
it's soooo basis and doesn't take a nerd to know.
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haha, what does having romanian blood imply?
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Ahhh, this thread is sooo win. We haven't had a good (and warranted) public bashing of someone since a girl from Finland had a penis.
Edit - And ROFL at Chill's UID... I didn't pay it any mind until you people started laughing at it... LOOOOL
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On December 01 2007 08:31 BlueRoyaL wrote:
haha, what does having romanian blood imply?
Rofl, way to confirm it. 
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On November 30 2007 22:53 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
also what the fuck was wiht downgrading unit hitpoints, or editing them all, by far the most notable difference you jackass.
I'm a bit confused as to this: how does lowering the hitpoints of terran units help him in tvp? it's a bit weird.
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On December 01 2007 03:52 Chill wrote:Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready.
Yeah I thought the world had gone mad.. that guide was crap
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some people will do anything to be accepted 
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On December 01 2007 08:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2007 22:53 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
also what the fuck was wiht downgrading unit hitpoints, or editing them all, by far the most notable difference you jackass. I'm a bit confused as to this: how does lowering the hitpoints of terran units help him in tvp? it's a bit weird.
The only explination I could think of was that he thought they were lower to begin with. ie he thought he was still raising them.
Or maybe for TvT because he was afraid of being rushed before the pressure started.edit this doesnt make sense for tvt, other t would get advantages of fast build, etc.
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On December 01 2007 09:01 jimminy_kriket wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 08:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On November 30 2007 22:53 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
also what the fuck was wiht downgrading unit hitpoints, or editing them all, by far the most notable difference you jackass. I'm a bit confused as to this: how does lowering the hitpoints of terran units help him in tvp? it's a bit weird. The only explination I could think of was that he thought they were lower to begin with. ie he thought he was still raising them. Or maybe for TvT because he was afraid of being rushed before the pressure started.edit this doesnt make sense for tvt, other t would get advantages of fast build, etc.
Still, that part made me laugh
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He could in theory rig maps for tvt though couldnt he?
He could make a trainer type map where you are able to choose starting positions and give benefits to only one start point.
EH?
EH?
But he isnt smart enough to do that.
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Aaaahahahaha! I've always found that kid bad mannered and annoying.
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I came into this thread expecting to find people flaming LS for posting in the wrong forum. Oh, how wrong I am :|
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you know, this would be exponentially more fun if this kid wasn't banned yet.
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On November 30 2007 16:46 SLoGgErDoGgEr wrote:
He's only 14 years old, you guys are hurting him
don't be so hard on him even if hes a fag
What is hurting him is his own doing.
You should have stopped him, that is what older people do when they know a boy who's on the wrong path.
He was a prick.
If he is hurt by the flames in this thread, he still is a prick.
People have to and should kick his butt for cheating so viciously. We should be harder on him.
14 years old know-it-all that happend to hack his ass off friendly matches.
FEAR THE FUCKING FOG ASSHOLE.
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On December 01 2007 10:06 d4d wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2007 16:46 SLoGgErDoGgEr wrote:
He's only 14 years old, you guys are hurting him
don't be so hard on him even if hes a fag What is hurting him is his own doing. You should have stopped him, that is what older people do when they know a boy who's on the wrong path. He was a prick. If he is hurt by the flames in this thread, he still is a prick. People have to and should kick his butt for cheating so viciously. We should be harder on him. 14 years old know-it-all that happend to hack his ass off friendly matches. FEAR THE FUCKING FOG ASSHOLE.
GIVE THIS MAN A TORCH!!!
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It's good that this is publicly known now, but I think his original intentions with his guides etc. were to become 'famous' in a way... This is enhancing his 'fame!'
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On December 01 2007 10:26 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 10:06 d4d wrote:On November 30 2007 16:46 SLoGgErDoGgEr wrote:
He's only 14 years old, you guys are hurting him
don't be so hard on him even if hes a fag What is hurting him is his own doing. You should have stopped him, that is what older people do when they know a boy who's on the wrong path. He was a prick. If he is hurt by the flames in this thread, he still is a prick. People have to and should kick his butt for cheating so viciously. We should be harder on him. 14 years old know-it-all that happend to hack his ass off friendly matches. FEAR THE FUCKING FOG ASSHOLE. GIVE THIS MAN A TORCH!!!
A CAN OF FUCKING FLAME FOR HIM!!!
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History repeats itself...
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On December 01 2007 11:00 Skew wrote:
History repeats itself...
all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again?
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On November 30 2007 19:25 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
I regret not flaming you enough when you were around lastshadow.
Fuck you
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can someone unban him so we can flame him some more please?
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Science facility (build time 60->75) (WHAT?)
LOLOL
I just love how he was so incompetent that he couldn't even CHEAT CORRECTLY.
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Most likely he didn't make the maps, but DLed them from somewhere. He wouldn't be so careless to not notice marine is 35hp. Not to mention the amount of work and time it is to change values for everything. kids are dumb. thats y they r kids. @ least he isnt 40.
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On December 01 2007 13:47 kdog3683 wrote:
Most likely he didn't make the maps, but DLed them from somewhere. He wouldn't be so careless to not notice marine is 35hp. Not to mention the amount of work and time it is to change values for everything. kids are dumb. thats y they r kids. @ least he isnt 40.
some kids have better things to do though
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On November 30 2007 13:10 Kennigit wrote:Definitely a win for the community as a whole, post around to your b.net friends. I saw the replays a few days ago and they are quite entertaining. As for Last Shadow himself?....I guess he just couldn't handle the pressure of playing legit. + Show Spoiler +Oh come on someone had to start it
I fixed your reply and ...
SHADOW RUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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I'm glad Chill approved and made this into a !ed guide.
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On December 01 2007 14:22 Moto wrote:
G-_-G
Rofl, reply before the ban.
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Kennigit
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On December 01 2007 14:22 Moto wrote:
G-_-G
Oh HAllo Thur
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On December 01 2007 14:22 Moto wrote:
G-_-G
hahahha
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i thought this was a guide on how to rig maps, wtf
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Damn you guys are so fast
edit: That's what she said.
DAMN I DID IT FOR THE FIFTH TIME TODAY -_-
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Lastshadow vs. Mistrzzz. How ironic.
Interesting that Spekkio appeared there. He's actually a friend of my roommate's.
Question: Why was this map-rigging such a big deal? Weren't they all "friendly" non-tourny games? All these rigged matches just show that he was a complete idiot.
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On December 01 2007 08:32 EvilTeletubby wrote:Ahhh, this thread is sooo win. We haven't had a good (and warranted) public bashing of someone since a girl from Finland had a penis. Edit - And ROFL at Chill's UID... I didn't pay it any mind until you people started laughing at it... LOOOOL
What's a UID?
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UDP ID? obv referring to that huge Force Divided By Area id
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On December 01 2007 15:11 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 08:32 EvilTeletubby wrote:Ahhh, this thread is sooo win. We haven't had a good (and warranted) public bashing of someone since a girl from Finland had a penis. Edit - And ROFL at Chill's UID... I didn't pay it any mind until you people started laughing at it... LOOOOL What's a UID?
Haha, User ID... fucking term I use at work. T___T Didn't mean for that to happen, sorry.
SN would've been more appropriate... hopefully that one is more obvious. ^_^
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I say some MOD unbans him and tells him he has to give good reasons to justfiy doing all of this.
+ Show Spoiler [ITS A TARP!] + then we all flame the shit out of him and reban him after like a day.
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and whats so comical about chills name in the games? Maybe i don't get it.
It looks like some sort of reference to a divided starcraft army with bad positions gets easily pciked off.
Since lastshadow sucks and probably has shit positions i could see flanking him being easier then pie.
Maybe i looked too much into it...?
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FORCE DIVIDED BY AREA = PRESSURE
learn some science . . .
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intrigue
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MoNKeYSpanKeR just pulled a CharlieMurphy.
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On December 01 2007 15:21 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
and whats so comical about chills name in the games? Maybe i don\'t get it.
It looks like some sort of reference to a divided starcraft army with bad positions gets easily pciked off.
Since lastshadow sucks and probably has shit positions i could see flanking him being easier then pie.
Maybe i looked too much into it...?
you should really google dumb questions before posting them here, it takes literally 30 seconds to figure out that force divided by area = pressure
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On December 01 2007 15:58 Ansible wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 15:21 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
and whats so comical about chills name in the games? Maybe i don\'t get it.
It looks like some sort of reference to a divided starcraft army with bad positions gets easily pciked off.
Since lastshadow sucks and probably has shit positions i could see flanking him being easier then pie.
Maybe i looked too much into it...? you should really google dumb questions before posting them here, it takes literally 30 seconds to figure out that \"force divided by area\" = pressure
No need to be so harsh, he's hilarious.
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lolol that's completly shameful , How could this guy possibly be happy to win with that way?
By the way good job whoever caught that guy.
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rofl@gpa
cool these replays look entertaining, time to watch 
edit: wow, these are some really badly played games <_>
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rofl next time i will use google, currently lazy. I wonder if LS knew that. Theres my dumb moment for the year. and i'm too lazy to google that i don't care that much about, i sitll haven't looked up how to lock my porn folder from my fucking mom.
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Also never took physics, or chemistry, and probably won't.
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wow the .5 gpa didnt even include real classes?
thats impressively bad
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Man I looked for a map extractor from replay for AGES!
I always wondered why it isn't automatic, if you can dl a replay w/ out the map, you must've downloaded the map in order to watch the replay, yet the map isn't stored in the download file.
THANKS! :D
As for lastshadow... bleh w/e.
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On December 01 2007 15:24 azndsh wrote:
FORCE DIVIDED BY AREA = PRESSURE
learn some science . . .
Igneous rocks are pretty, and those awesome WITTLE metamorffic 1'z cum frUm PRESSURE(/heat)
/science
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On December 01 2007 17:28 IdrA wrote:
wow the .5 gpa didnt even include real classes?
thats impressively bad
Your just lucky gym doens't count towards GPA, becuase your ugly and probably in turn also extremely unathletic, not that gym really requires much athleticism.
Physics is optional, and chem is unncessary, I have 3 other science credits without it, therefore why take that class when i don't need it?
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On December 01 2007 17:31 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 15:24 azndsh wrote:
FORCE DIVIDED BY AREA = PRESSURE
learn some science . . . Igneous rocks are pretty, and those awesome WITTLE metamorffic 1'z cum frUm PRESSURE(/heat) /science
that's pretty good, make sure to include that fact in your MIT application essay, i hear they really dig that scientifical shit over there
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On December 01 2007 17:34 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 17:28 IdrA wrote:
wow the .5 gpa didnt even include real classes?
thats impressively bad Your just lucky gym doens't count towards GPA, becuase your ugly and probably in turn also extremely unathletic, not that gym really requires much athleticism. Physics is optional, and chem is unncessary, I have 3 other science credits without it, therefore why take that class when i don't need it?
perhaps you wouldnt be a retarded loser whos gonna end up in community college if you took real classes.
and gym does count towards gpa smart guy
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Actually, there are plenty very unattractive yet athletic people, even though a correlation does exist between attractive and athletic.
Regardless, not only does gym actually count toward GPA, but getting a good grade in gym is largely dependent on displaying effort rather than possessing athleticism. You can be Michael Jordan and fail gym if you don't show up and put effort in.
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On December 01 2007 17:37 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 17:34 Ansible wrote:On December 01 2007 17:31 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:On December 01 2007 15:24 azndsh wrote:
FORCE DIVIDED BY AREA = PRESSURE
learn some science . . . Igneous rocks are pretty, and those awesome WITTLE metamorffic 1\'z cum frUm PRESSURE(/heat) /science that\'s pretty good, make sure to include that fact in your MIT application essay, i hear they really dig that scientifical shit over there edit: I like penis. /clever
in two years, i look forward to you having to sign posts with /janitor
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On December 01 2007 17:34 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 17:28 IdrA wrote:
wow the .5 gpa didnt even include real classes?
thats impressively bad Your just lucky gym doens't count towards GPA, becuase your ugly and probably in turn also extremely unathletic, not that gym really requires much athleticism. Physics is optional, and chem is unncessary, I have 3 other science credits without it, therefore why take that class when i don't need it?
What does personal appearance have to do with athleticism? And what the hell does appearance have to do with anything, lol. That argument was something a middle school kid would say, congragulaions!
Kid A: "Hey your a retard"
Kid B: "OMG YOUR UGLY!"
In fact, you could say that ugliness and athleticism are inherrently linked, look at a lot of professional athletes, a lot of them are pretty butt ugly (HELLO SAM CASSELL). That was just an aside.
By the way since you want to bash Idra on his appearance, let's see what you look like Mr. Monkeyspanker?
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LOL OMG im laughing so hard at this gpa thing
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On December 01 2007 18:07 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 17:34 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:On December 01 2007 17:28 IdrA wrote:
wow the .5 gpa didnt even include real classes?
thats impressively bad Your just lucky gym doens't count towards GPA, becuase your ugly and probably in turn also extremely unathletic, not that gym really requires much athleticism. Physics is optional, and chem is unncessary, I have 3 other science credits without it, therefore why take that class when i don't need it? What does personal appearance have to do with athleticism? And what the hell does appearance have to do with anything, lol. That argument was something a middle school kid would say, congragulaions! Kid A: "Hey your a retard" Kid B: "OMG YOUR UGLY!" In fact, you could say that ugliness and athleticism are inherrently linked, look at a lot of professional athletes, a lot of them are pretty butt ugly (HELLO SAM CASSELL). That was just an aside. By the way since you want to bash Idra on his appearance, let's see what you look like Mr. Monkeyspanker?
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=61407
blog my man
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lol, why make fun of Idra when you clearly look like a monkey yourself? in fact he looks like a typical community college attending, very little achieving type guy.
but at least he has enough time to troll and flame other people who are doing things with their lives on TL.net, while making blogs about him actually getting a GF (OMFG CONGRATS MAN!). I found that humorous.
but seriously I hate when people senseless attack others especially through the internet (Note: i'm attacking monkeyboy in defense of Idra, I wouldnt have done so otherwise just to clarify oo;)
back on topic... LastShadow = Gosu at life too!
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i wish there was a way to accurately measure the pressure in my balls right now. It almost matches the constant inter cranial pressure from the malignant tumor in my front lobe, to which medical professionals have been known to call a super pressure tumor, due to its extreme pressurization it puts on my brain.
fuck guys I gtg my mom is pressuring me to clean my room again.
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On December 01 2007 19:27 Xeris wrote:
lol, why make fun of Idra when you clearly look like a monkey yourself? in fact he looks like a typical community college attending, very little achieving type guy.
but at least he has enough time to troll and flame other people who are doing things with their lives on TL.net, while making blogs about him actually getting a GF (OMFG CONGRATS MAN!). I found that humorous.
but seriously I hate when people senseless attack others especially through the internet (Note: i'm attacking monkeyboy in defense of Idra, I wouldnt have done so otherwise just to clarify oo;)
back on topic... LastShadow = Gosu at life too!
idra needlessly attacked monkeyspanker first. not knowing that force divided by area = pressure doesnt make you dumb and idra didnt need to bring up his gpa in that manner.
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On December 01 2007 17:45 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 17:34 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:On December 01 2007 17:28 IdrA wrote:
wow the .5 gpa didnt even include real classes?
thats impressively bad Your just lucky gym doens't count towards GPA, becuase your ugly and probably in turn also extremely unathletic, not that gym really requires much athleticism. Physics is optional, and chem is unncessary, I have 3 other science credits without it, therefore why take that class when i don't need it? perhaps you wouldnt be a retarded loser whos gonna end up in community college if you took real classes. and gym does count towards gpa smart guy
damn idra shut your mouth, who cares about his gpa? theres plenty of things he can do to compensate for his poor grades in HS, anyways. if you want to get personal, how many girls have you ever spoken with outside of science club? you're more pathetic than him =/
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You guys need to lay off Idra some. You'd be angry at just about everything too if you looked like him
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Hahaha what is all this gpa shit, stop distracting me from the lastshadow hilarity at hand please. Noone fucking cares.
On December 01 2007 23:53 Months wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 17:45 IdrA wrote:On December 01 2007 17:34 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:On December 01 2007 17:28 IdrA wrote:
wow the .5 gpa didnt even include real classes?
thats impressively bad Your just lucky gym doens't count towards GPA, becuase your ugly and probably in turn also extremely unathletic, not that gym really requires much athleticism. Physics is optional, and chem is unncessary, I have 3 other science credits without it, therefore why take that class when i don't need it? perhaps you wouldnt be a retarded loser whos gonna end up in community college if you took real classes. and gym does count towards gpa smart guy damn idra shut your mouth, who cares about his gpa? theres plenty of things he can do to compensate for his poor grades in HS, anyways. if you want to get personal, how many girls have you ever spoken with outside of science club? you're more pathetic than him =/
Hey jackass they all got banned for that shit already, give it a rest or I'm pretty sure you'll end up the same.
On December 02 2007 00:00 lake wrote:
You guys need to lay off Idra some. You'd be angry at just about everything too if you looked like him
Thanks for the heads up, Brad Pitt.
Anyways I'm glad LS got busted finally, those replays are a great source of entertainment, especially considering he wrote a strategy guide, hehehehe.
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His TvZ vs zulu was painful to watch. Too bad zulu didn't get any of those infested terrans to blow up =(
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This thread is definitely getting funnier as it goes, hahaha.
I liked this quote too:
On December 01 2007 19:52 lake wrote:
i wish there was a way to accurately measure the pressure in my balls right now. It almost matches the constant inter cranial pressure from the malignant tumor in my front lobe, to which medical professionals have been known to call a super pressure tumor, due to its extreme pressurization it puts on my brain.
fuck guys I gtg my mom is pressuring me to clean my room again.
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No wonder why he wanted to create the games when I played him
A+ Terran eh
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so much concern over idra's looks, what the fuck are you guys gay?
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y'all is Smearing lastshadow's Good name
i For one still Believe in him
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On December 02 2007 02:10 samachking wrote:No wonder why he wanted to create the games when I played him A+ Terran eh
lol @ him trying to host games, I guess he always did and no one noticed!
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On December 02 2007 02:16 vGl-CoW wrote:
y'all is Smearing lastshadow's Good name
i For one still Believe in him
MIStrZZZ doesn't hack!!!!
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Goddamnit I missed all the fun!
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On December 02 2007 02:16 vGl-CoW wrote:
y'all is Smearing lastshadow's Good name
i For one still Believe in him
i See what you Did There.
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wow Lastshadow, good work
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Nice!
I haven't kept up with MHotw but I used to love reading that
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That's just giving him even more of the attention he desperately longs for and loves but oh well.
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LOL poor lastshadow :o
He really screwed shit for himself. terrible.
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Can't believe some peaple actually believe all his iccup ranks and all, he's not even good.
i seriously have no other word than my lastest post.. this is just so lame to need such things to win good players.
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I personally know him via battle.net. I met him before all the problems he started here and in battle.net. Hes a good kid by nature.. Just has a skewed perception.
After all, exalted was his mentor :o
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On December 02 2007 03:41 NastyMarine wrote:
I personally know him via battle.net. I met him before all the problems he started here and in battle.net. Hes a good kid by nature.. Just has a skewed perception.
After all, exalted was his mentor :o
Can this get any better?
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not to point fingers either, but I remember a time where he said he must have gotten it from Nony. I didn't really believe it. This was a few months ago when he and nony were 1;1 practice partners or suttin. After a month or so of playing he mentioned the situation but I really didn't want to hear it at all lol. After a week or so later they stopped playing.
I remember when him and Odin[fou] played together a lot and he joined xion. Eventually he was banned for alleged maphack. Odin explained all this to me before the situation. So I've known this for a long time to say the least :o
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That doesn't make much sense since I think NonY was the one that catched him first :p
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No No. Exalted was the first one to catch him. I remember obsing the game. TvP, exalted was p. After the match eric called him out, and it was infact altered for T>P. A few months later, right after his firs guide, was when nony called him out on it. Right after that Odin and him started playing together. Odin was suspicious the whole time but never really spoke against it to much until xion members started complaining.
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Not only that either, but many other people have spoke out against him inbetween these three.
Not to mention another known time of map riggging - his famous game vs idra in PvT (shadow = P) on tau cross. I ended up uploading the rep to gg.net cuz i thought it was a good rep (I didnt notice anything suspicious, thus the reason I am not a replay manager LOL). Idra called him out after the game and there was some hype about it in the replay thread. We ended up deleting the replay within 10 mins LOL. So its safe to say that lastshadow has done his fair share of fuck ups for himself and me.
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There is only way to teach a cheater manners: public humiliation.
It worked well with testie and he is living proof that the community also forgives if people honestly try to redeem themselves.
Very few actually do, most just create a new screen name and don't bother rescuing their reputation or lack the balls to do so.
Will he admit publicly all his cheating, apologize and follow it by years of earning trust? Or will he disappear into the forest of blue smurfs? To be or not to be, man or mouse?
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On December 02 2007 04:18 Physician wrote:
Will he admit publicly all his cheating, apologize and follow it by years of earning trust? Or will he disappear into the forest of blue smurfs? To be or not to be, man or mouse?
I can totally feel this.... I feel like I'm deep inside the blue forest....
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..Thank you.....
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LOL LS has not logged on AIM or Hamachi since ROFL
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I never really liked him and thought he was an arrogant attention seeking idiot but i feel a bit bad for him now. He's probably a nice guy.
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ROFL how do you play with these things and still lose? I knew I had a reason to hate lastshadow. I just didn't know what it was until now.
Also lol @ the marine HP change, what an idiot.
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On December 02 2007 04:18 Physician wrote:
There is only way to teach a cheater manners: public humiliation.
Maybe you aren't familiar with him. But this is what he LIKES.
On December 02 2007 04:50 Seraphim wrote:
LOL LS has not logged on AIM or Hamachi since ROFL
That could also be very not funny, if you know what i mean :S
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Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking about jimminy =\
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Good work guys.
Actually I gave LastShadow the benefit of the doubt BUT I was myself obsing a game of him vs Idra like a couple months back and after the game Idra said LastShadow had rigged the map.
At first I thought maybe he was just a sore looser, but when watching the rep I realized Idra was in fact right and was playing with a handicap he didn't know about, which sucks.
LastShadow, no one will ever respect you unless you play fair and square and also turn down your ego a bit (Nothing wrong with ego but when you get caught with stuff like this it makes you look VERY BAD.
Quick fame is not worth cheating for, I hope you will mature with age (I think you will, honestly).
I don't think he has "questionable" posting though, he has made quite some useful posts on TL and I know ppl hate him because of his ego and Idra and the [Media] crew hating on him.
But, I'm not defending LastShadow at all. I hope he fucking learns a lesson from this, learns some humility and stops cheating.
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is Lastshadow just gonna restart his rep on a new AKA?
Btw was he actually a decent (if not good) player ?
Like, how much of his skill was attributed to map rigging
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You know, you admins almost had me feeling bad, since i was the one who mentioned him being a dick which started the flame war on his thread, heh. Now i dont, i had talked to nony who mentioned the map rigging, which made me laugh pretty hard. Its totally believable, he has the personality that would cheat at all costs in order to get fame and attention. I only wish he could of gotten my PM telling him to \_ sit : ) ha, gj admins <3
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So I'm the only one that feels bad huh?
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On December 02 2007 06:07 boghat wrote:
So I'm the only one that feels bad huh?
What's there to feel bad about? He cheated and got busted and as punishment got banned from the community (at least until he cleans up his act and starts a new aka). A little correctional banning never hurt anyone.
If anything it'll be good for his character, the guy isn't unstable or anything dramatic as some of you make it out to be. This shit happens all the time.
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On December 02 2007 06:23 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2007 06:07 boghat wrote:
So I'm the only one that feels bad huh? What's there to feel bad about? He cheated and got busted and as punishment got banned from the community (at least until he cleans up his act and starts a new aka). A little correctional banning never hurt anyone. If anything it'll be good for his character, the guy isn't unstable or anything dramatic as some of you make it out to be. This shit happens all the time.
I agree, I seriously doubt that getting banned from a video game forum will push him over the edge.
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On December 02 2007 06:25 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2007 06:23 Frits wrote:On December 02 2007 06:07 boghat wrote:
So I'm the only one that feels bad huh? What's there to feel bad about? He cheated and got busted and as punishment got banned from the community (at least until he cleans up his act and starts a new aka). A little correctional banning never hurt anyone. If anything it'll be good for his character, the guy isn't unstable or anything dramatic as some of you make it out to be. This shit happens all the time. I agree, I seriously doubt that getting banned from a video game forum will push him over the edge. if the kid has nothing better to do but cheat in starcraft and gloat about how awesome he is, you'd be pretty surprised
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no i would assume, after knowing him, that he's probably pretty depressed over this. StarCraft is his life really. I would also expect him to be very frustrated and lonely because of this.
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On December 02 2007 05:51 xBTx wrote:
is Lastshadow just gonna restart his rep on a new AKA?
Btw was he actually a decent (if not good) player ?
Like, how much of his skill was attributed to map rigging
Watch the game vs zulu and that'll answer your question.
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i've had suspicious games vs him before, i guess this explains it.
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If he got banned, why other hackers are not ( two of them post here).
Oh well, life isn't fair, at least one of the cheaters got banned :D
On December 01 2007 08:19 clazziquai wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 00:15 Scorpion wrote:
Wow, when I was 14, I stole a map to get into (U) (famous mapping clan back in the day(I'm 17 now, so think 3 years ago) and got fame on SEN(Staredit.net).
Then, my friend found out I took his map and joined (U) with it so he posted on SEN and I ended up confessing. I am probably still known as a map stealer though <3
What was your name on (U), Scorpion?
does the (U) clan still exist?
does it have a website? ah good times, I used to post on SEN when I had mapmaking problems. I think SEN died and then reborn.
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lol who cares about Lastshadow... he and so many people use the "oh hes 14 hes just a kid" thing as a huge cop out for him being a fame obsessed jackoff.
when I was 14 I wasn't a huge dick who couldn't make a name for myself legitly who had to cheat while being so obsessed with myself that I was totally careless about my cheating. Nope, I was a regular kid.
acting like a douchebag no matter how old you are is wrong especially when you have had an entire community bashing you for what seems like almost a year now. If he didnt learn to stop being an ass after the continual flaming he received on TL and Bnet and who knows where else, then this is the only way to maybe help him.
maybe this WILL push him over the edge... and by over the edge I mean on to something more productive with his life. because if a 14 year old kid spends all day playing bw and rigging maps, and still managing to be shitty, he should find a new fucking hobby.
my dad gave me some pretty good advice, if you work hard you should always be able to attain what you want unless a) you aren't putting any effort. if b) you ARE putting genuine effort and still fail, then try something new because this thing obviously isnt working.
maybe hes off trying to find a new game to become gosu in. Watch out WC3...
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Maybe he is just some cheating kid jackoff who the community's better off without. In retrospect though, I have to agree with boghat. If someone's motivated to put that much time into all the stuff he did, especially when it's ultimately predicated around a lie to begin with, there's something a little more fundamental going on; oftentimes when that's the case, pushing someone over their threshold for perceived abuse takes very little, and that can mean ANYTHING.
In situations like this, it's fairly common for people to talk the tough living card and say that it's for the better that they learn to take the beating and simply pay the consequences for their actions and move on. Fair enough, I think it's everyone's entitlement to have their opinion...that said, you have to consider the pool of people you're drawing from, especially when you're dealing with the internet. Lots of neuroses and behavioral quirks that fly under the radar in person fly like a red flag on the internet, thanks in part to relative anonymity, and so you really never know exactly what or who you're dealing with. The people who tell em to toughen up are, in my experience, often the same ones who throw their hands up and say the world's going to hell in a handbasket when they hear about another school shooting or suicide.
Just my two cents from my two eyes
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On December 02 2007 16:27 Elwood Blues wrote:
The people who tell em to toughen up are, in my experience, often the same ones who throw their hands up and say the world's going to hell in a handbasket when they hear about another school shooting or suicide.
If you are implying that a 'toughen up attitude' is a cause of school shootings and suicides, and therefore implying that this thread could cause a school shooting or suicide, then you need to treat the subject with much more respect. It's ridiculous for you to make such a serious accusation without putting in a serious effort.
Nonetheless, if it's a comfort for you, then I'm happy to inform you that LastShadow's welfare was taken into deep consideration in private before this thread was made. Here was my input on it:
What is good for LastShadow? Honestly I think this is one of the best things that can be done for his own good. There is no universally good way to punish people -- it depends on the person. And from what I've seen of LastShadow, I think he could use a very stern punishment. It should be made very clear that the way he has been acting gains him no respect and is actually so bad that it inspires people to spread the reasons why he deserves no respect. I think immaturity and puberty might be good explanations why he behaves so poorly, but I don't think he'll just outgrow it. When people are immature at that age 14-17 range, they do outrageous things that warrant extreme punishments and they learn from those punishments. And, again, if you don't agree with this in general, then consider it in particular just for LastShadow. He has been given moderate amounts of disapproval all along the way (on TL.net and B.net) and yet he is still coming full force. Also, I have seen no signs that he is depressive so I'm not concerned at all about lasting emotional scarring.
I think LastShadow is a robust and determined person and his most likely response is to anonymously play iCCup/WGTour/West until he gets better and then he'll return to the scene. Of course, there's no way of knowing. Even knowing someone well in real life is rarely enough to predict how they'll react to something. But the solution isn't to avoid interacting with that person at all. LastShadow betrayed the trust and tainted the integrity of a community which many many people are very passionate about. People are going to do what they feel ought to be done. And while all human interaction carries a chance of a negative outcome, that chance is not reason enough for people to paralyze themselves. So about your accusation -- are you simply reminding us that there's a chance this'll turn out bad or do you want to convince us that it will turn out bad?
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im just dissappointed that this happened on TL.net
after years of laughing and mocking the BGH and FASTEST communities, this happens. here. on our ground.
just dissappointed. what was achieved lastshadow? all for what? and when you cheat and lose, i can only imagine how shitty that must feel. ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say this: you're young. you're 14 yrs old and just wanted to have some cheap fun. hopefully sooner than later you will grow up and realize that what you did was totally empty and had no meaning and will take the right path.
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On December 03 2007 00:54 NonY[rC] wrote:
If you are implying that a 'toughen up attitude' is a cause of school shootings and suicides, and therefore implying that this thread could cause a school shooting or suicide, then you need to treat the subject with much more respect. It's ridiculous for you to make such a serious accusation without putting in a serious effort.
I meant just as I wrote - that people who look to deal with things in a more pragmatic way often fail to see the prevalence of mental disorder. If my words seem coarse and accusatory, it's because they were intended to draw attention to the matter.
The community reacted with understandable outrage. Realistically, I would be very very surprised if something tragic actually came of this. By that same token, I agree it's not remotely realistic to cease all actions in hope of avoiding friction with the one maladjusted person for every ten-thousand healthy. The real merit in bringing up the fragility of those cases is that it can create controversy and stimulate discussion - am I crazy? are you crazy? are we all crazy? is nobody crazy? where do you draw the line between acceptable neuroses that are reasonable within a healthy lifestyle and what qualifies for disorder? The capacity for treatment's as great as it's ever been, and so if just one more person from however many that read this goes out and reads something about that which may afflict them or someone they know, the intent is fulfilled.
Now, I'll admit, my methodology is questionable and my diction extreme, but to say that I'm not taking it seriously because of the presumed implication of what I said might be a bit much. If I'm completely off target here then please please do dismantle me or flame me here, whichever way better keeps people discussing this stuff.
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Only Teamliquid could turn telling some egotistical faggot cheater to get lost into a philosophical discussion about child development ^_^
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On December 03 2007 04:52 Zanno wrote:
Only Teamliquid could turn telling some egotistical faggot cheater to get lost into a philosophical discussion about child development ^_^
YES! DEFINITELY AGREED HAHAHAHHA
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Seems that the host for RigReps.rar got hit too hard and is down. Someone care to mirror?
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On December 03 2007 04:46 Elwood Blues wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2007 00:54 NonY[rC] wrote:
If you are implying that a 'toughen up attitude' is a cause of school shootings and suicides, and therefore implying that this thread could cause a school shooting or suicide, then you need to treat the subject with much more respect. It's ridiculous for you to make such a serious accusation without putting in a serious effort.
I meant just as I wrote - that people who look to deal with things in a more pragmatic way often fail to see the prevalence of mental disorder. If my words seem coarse and accusatory, it's because they were intended to draw attention to the matter. The community reacted with understandable outrage. Realistically, I would be very very surprised if something tragic actually came of this. By that same token, I agree it's not remotely realistic to cease all actions in hope of avoiding friction with the one maladjusted person for every ten-thousand healthy. The real merit in bringing up the fragility of those cases is that it can create controversy and stimulate discussion - am I crazy? are you crazy? are we all crazy? is nobody crazy? where do you draw the line between acceptable neuroses that are reasonable within a healthy lifestyle and what qualifies for disorder? The capacity for treatment's as great as it's ever been, and so if just one more person from however many that read this goes out and reads something about that which may afflict them or someone they know, the intent is fulfilled. Now, I'll admit, my methodology is questionable and my diction extreme, but to say that I'm not taking it seriously because of the presumed implication of what I said might be a bit much. If I'm completely off target here then please please do dismantle me or flame me here, whichever way better keeps people discussing this stuff.
Actually what Nony said makes practically no sense and he just seems to be attacking you...what does your saying that people who support the tough love attitude are also often those who are cynical or defeatist about school shootings have to do at all with having a "respectful approach" and how does that respectful approach change anything or make any difference? I don't even see the connection between his offense and what you wrote.
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On December 03 2007 04:52 Zanno wrote:
Only Teamliquid could turn telling some egotistical faggot cheater to get lost into a philosophical discussion about child development ^_^
And that is why, despite all this, we are still far superior to the BGH and FASTEST communities.
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I personally can't wait for the 'FIND LASTSHADOW GAME' on the forums when he returns =p
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<3 DINO
That rep is soooo funny.
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was lulz
Lastshadow has 1.5k minerals, 81 supply, and 5 factories
A+ TvP folx
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On December 04 2007 07:32 Dino wrote:
lol!!! Yeah I saw this thread so I thought I'd post my game vs him on usa website ^^ WHAT A GAME! He pressured very hard.
Holy fucking jesus that rivals Rekrul vs Zephyr as the funniest rep i've ever seen. Your pylon calligraphy is outstanding <3
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omg maybe i'll post my rep of lastshadow too when I get home!
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I don't know how I missed this thread for 13 pages...
It's sad that this happened in our community.
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wootz. nab dino wins vs lastshadows pressure, i dont believe it must be rigged on hamaci or sth !
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On December 04 2007 07:32 Dino wrote:
lol!!! Yeah I saw this thread so I thought I'd post my game vs him on usa website ^^ WHAT A GAME! He pressured very hard.
Did you ally vis him before the game ended?
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Watch the replay with only LS's vision. That's a damn impressive reaction time.
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On December 04 2007 10:00 Polar wrote:
Watch the replay with only LS's vision. That's a damn impressive reaction time. He has over 300 GGPM.
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On December 04 2007 10:05 Funchucks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 10:00 Polar wrote:
Watch the replay with only LS's vision. That's a damn impressive reaction time. He has over 300 GGPM.
:')
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On December 04 2007 10:05 Funchucks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2007 10:00 Polar wrote:
Watch the replay with only LS's vision. That's a damn impressive reaction time. He has over 300 GGPM.
That's good.
It's sad to hear that someone in the TL community would cheat like this.
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Dino, how were you able to play so calmly under all that PRESSURE?
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On December 04 2007 08:44 mikeymoo wrote:
I don't know how I missed this thread for 13 pages...
I missed the Automated Ban List until like 6 months after I've been here. That's like 75 pages there lol :D
Oh and I actually tried the rigged maps; it's SO STUPID BUT SO FUNNY WTF
I want to be called an A+ Protoss please.
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If a person is so sensitive that being called out as a cheater when they are in fact a cheater and a liar will "set them over the edge", then so be it, because being that fragile, life itself will set you over the edge.
He'll need to get over himself, and grow up. This is a VIDEOGAME board, and if he can't live without cheating at his videogame, then its a much deeper problem than any of us could solve.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
thats funny ^^^^
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strong approach. but not very sensible as everyone has different feelings and problems. you can't just diagnose someone like that. thats no logical - it just doesnt happen that way.
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Hacking in a game community isn't cool, no. Betraying trust on an online game isn't cool, no.
But in the end, it's just the internet. Shit like this is to be expected virtually anywhere, although by this I'm not saying it's justifiable by any means.
All I'm saying is yall are blowing this WAY out of proportion like LastShadow pulled a hitler and nazi'd millions of gamers.
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millions, no. but he had been caught and told/promised to stop multiple times, even embarassed somewhat publicly once before. he brought it on himself.
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On December 05 2007 01:24 ilovezil wrote:
Hacking in a game community isn't cool, no. Betraying trust on an online game isn't cool, no.
But in the end, it's just the internet. Shit like this is to be expected virtually anywhere, although by this I'm not saying it's justifiable by any means.
All I'm saying is yall are blowing this WAY out of proportion like LastShadow pulled a hitler and nazi'd millions of gamers.
nobody is blowing anything out of proportion. he hacked and rigged and cheated people in the community, which is just about the worst thing you can do in an online gaming community. people are making fun of him for it!
YOU are blowing this thread out of proportion. the hitler analogy is dumb, are we going to lastshadow's house and arresting him for atrocities? do we think he deserves the death penalty and needs to be taught in history textbooks? nobody in this thread is even close to comparing what lastshadow did to something like the holocaust, to even compare the two is insulting to both events.
this thread is just some justified fun-making, don't be so sensitive.
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On December 05 2007 01:24 ilovezil wrote:
All I'm saying is yall are blowing this WAY out of proportion like LastShadow pulled a hitler and nazi'd millions of gamers.
Don't confuse effort and ethusiasm for an overstatement of the situation. There were no attempts to exaggerate anything. Perhaps you'd reserve your top-quality posts for bigger fish, but if someone wants to do it, there's no reason for him to half-ass it (or not do it at all) because the target is just a common cheater.
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On December 05 2007 04:42 Ansible wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2007 01:24 ilovezil wrote:
Hacking in a game community isn't cool, no. Betraying trust on an online game isn't cool, no.
But in the end, it's just the internet. Shit like this is to be expected virtually anywhere, although by this I'm not saying it's justifiable by any means.
All I'm saying is yall are blowing this WAY out of proportion like LastShadow pulled a hitler and nazi'd millions of gamers. nobody is blowing anything out of proportion. he hacked and rigged and cheated people in the community, which is just about the worst thing you can do in an online gaming community. people are making fun of him for it! YOU are blowing this thread out of proportion. the hitler analogy is dumb, are we going to lastshadow's house and arresting him for atrocities? do we think he deserves the death penalty and needs to be taught in history textbooks? nobody in this thread is even close to comparing what lastshadow did to something like the holocaust, to even compare the two is insulting to both events. this thread is just some justified fun-making, don't be so sensitive.
He could have a paragraph in TL history though n_n
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On December 03 2007 01:29 pyrogenetix wrote:
im just dissappointed that this happened on TL.net
after years of laughing and mocking the BGH and FASTEST communities, this happens. here. on our ground.
just dissappointed. what was achieved lastshadow? all for what? and when you cheat and lose, i can only imagine how shitty that must feel. ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say this: you're young. you're 14 yrs old and just wanted to have some cheap fun. hopefully sooner than later you will grow up and realize that what you did was totally empty and had no meaning and will take the right path.
How exactly did this happen ON TL.net?
I mean LastShadow was a member of several communities and the rigged maps happened ON battle.net....lol
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Looks like he might have to take up a new hobby
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On December 04 2007 08:44 mikeymoo wrote:
It's sad that this happened in our community.
You mean awesome right?
Any community is going to have its shady characters. The fact that TL.Net finds them and shows them the door in compelling fashion screams awesome, not sadness =]
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On December 05 2007 04:59 JensOfSweden wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2007 01:29 pyrogenetix wrote:
im just dissappointed that this happened on TL.net
after years of laughing and mocking the BGH and FASTEST communities, this happens. here. on our ground.
just dissappointed. what was achieved lastshadow? all for what? and when you cheat and lose, i can only imagine how shitty that must feel. ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say this: you're young. you're 14 yrs old and just wanted to have some cheap fun. hopefully sooner than later you will grow up and realize that what you did was totally empty and had no meaning and will take the right path. How exactly did this happen ON TL.net? I mean LastShadow was a member of several communities and the rigged maps happened ON battle.net....lol
He cheated on a TL tournament.
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what TL tourney did he cheat in?
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Actually it happened on GG.Net and we just stole the news from them like we always do.
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that dino rep is hilarious
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On December 05 2007 04:42 Ansible wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2007 01:24 ilovezil wrote:
Hacking in a game community isn't cool, no. Betraying trust on an online game isn't cool, no.
But in the end, it's just the internet. Shit like this is to be expected virtually anywhere, although by this I'm not saying it's justifiable by any means.
All I'm saying is yall are blowing this WAY out of proportion like LastShadow pulled a hitler and nazi'd millions of gamers. nobody is blowing anything out of proportion. he hacked and rigged and cheated people in the community, which is just about the worst thing you can do in an online gaming community. people are making fun of him for it! YOU are blowing this thread out of proportion. the hitler analogy is dumb, are we going to lastshadow's house and arresting him for atrocities? do we think he deserves the death penalty and needs to be taught in history textbooks? nobody in this thread is even close to comparing what lastshadow did to something like the holocaust, to even compare the two is insulting to both events. this thread is just some justified fun-making, don't be so sensitive.
Yup, this proves my point.
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On December 05 2007 05:51 Flaccid wrote:
Actually it happened on GG.Net and we just stole the news from them like we always do.
Oh wait...
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On December 05 2007 05:56 CTStalker wrote:
uh, no it doesn't
Well, here's the thing. I don't believe that a 14-year old kid hacking on an online game warrants a 15 page thread mobbing his ass, saying it'll DEFINITELY fix him. Bullshit. It should've been left done with Fakesteve's ban + explanation.
All this is accomplishing is one thing: giving LastShadow more attention, which actually benefits neither party.
There's nothing further to discuss. Everything here is mostly a matter of opinion anyway, so I'd rather avoid the needless fretting over who's right and who's wrong.
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Calgary25980 Posts
With that seemingly sudden ban and no proper explanation, it makes him look like a martyr.
With this thread, no one will ever think twice about taking him seriously again.
I'm sure he gets off on negative attention and controversy, but I really doubt 150 comments calling him a cheater is what he wants.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
there was a proper explanation for that ban
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On December 05 2007 07:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
there was a proper explanation for that ban
There was, but this makes it exponentially more justified, with barely any chance of martyrdom.
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Calgary25980 Posts
On December 05 2007 07:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
there was a proper explanation for that ban
Fair enough, but it was vague enough to make people wonder what the backstory to it was if they weren't in on it.
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This thread only exposed the facts. There should be no complaints about that.
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Aaaaanyways, if you've ever wondered how proficient LaStShaDoW is at corsair/reaver be sure to watch him vs Chill, game 3. Nal_rA, watch out! NiCk "LaStShAdOW" DeCeSaRe is coming for you!
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I knew it!
But this "hack" was destined to be discovered. Not a smart way to cheat... lol
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lol.... hes not even 14...
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Why is his guide still in recommended threads?
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On December 06 2007 01:22 likeaboss wrote:
lol.... hes not even 14...
is this for real? T.T thats really sad if so
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Calgary25980 Posts
On December 06 2007 05:55 NatsuTerran wrote:
Why is his guide still in recommended threads?
Obviously it's in there because I forgot to take it out.
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Chill, I remember the TvP guide being released long time ago... did everybody know then that he was a map rigger? How come we let him talk so much crap until now then? Constantly saying how he may not be the "top" foreigner, but he is constantly practising to be one, and how Testie is the hope for all good foreigners like himself... -_-;;;
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On December 05 2007 05:54 CTStalker wrote:
that dino rep is hilarious
EASY!
LOL nice one KingDino 
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Calgary25980 Posts
On December 06 2007 07:07 himurakenshin wrote:
Chill, I remember the TvP guide being released long time ago... did everybody know then that he was a map rigger? How come we let him talk so much crap until now then? Constantly saying how he may not be the "top" foreigner, but he is constantly practising to be one, and how Testie is the hope for all good foreigners like himself... -_-;;;
Which guide, the first one or the second one? I had always known he was occassionally a map rigger, but had given him the benefit of the doubt until it happened first hand, which was about 2 weeks after he finished the second guide. Saying you're a top foreigner isn't really talking crap, it's just being ignorant. People didn't "let him" do anything, they were constantly giving him shit in every thread he posted in. Alright I'm done in this thread, there's nothing really more to say.
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Vatican City State1176 Posts
sigh.....
peer pressure
last shadow, you jerk
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For some perspective on age, By.Sun is 13, and can win TvP without rigged maps or hacks. He should be the true Pressure Terran!
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By.Flash is easily the "true" pressure terran. Thats all this guy does.
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On December 05 2007 23:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
say hi to my new icon
Is it an infested terran? Kinda hard to see =\
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anyone wanna know his WGT acc? let me knowwwwww
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Speaking of rigging, some Terran rigged LT on me by making it so my gases only had like 200 and making the expo unbuildable. I almost beat him as zerg, but then the power went out. I was kind of sad. 
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One of the stupiest ways to get famous.
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On December 06 2007 22:28 LibertyTerran wrote:
One of the stupiest ways to get infamous.
QFT
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On December 06 2007 23:19 ForAdun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2007 22:28 LibertyTerran wrote:
One of the stupiest ways to get infamous. QFT
Hahaha good fix :D
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does idra or anyone have the rep vs him? I wanna see him maxing out in 3 seconds off of 10 gates and 3 bases.
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On December 06 2007 07:26 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2007 07:07 himurakenshin wrote:
Chill, I remember the TvP guide being released long time ago... did everybody know then that he was a map rigger? How come we let him talk so much crap until now then? Constantly saying how he may not be the "top" foreigner, but he is constantly practising to be one, and how Testie is the hope for all good foreigners like himself... -_-;;; Saying you're a top foreigner isn't really talking crap, it's just being ignorant. People didn't "let him" do anything, they were constantly giving him shit in every thread he posted in. Alright I'm done in this thread, there's nothing really more to say.
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I'm the best starcraft gamer in korea. No i'm not talking crap, i'm just ignorant as to how good korean progamers are. People were giving shit in every thread he posted, and then mods were sticking up for him even though some knew he was an occasional map rigger. And now they create a thread mainly for the purpose of flaming him
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actually none of the mods knew he rigged maps, because none of them cared enough to purposely find something ethically wrong. all they saw was a foolishly pompous adolescent who occasionally made decent strategy posts but for the most part turned every thread into trash.
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On December 07 2007 02:17 tiffany wrote:
actually none of the mods knew he rigged maps, because none of them cared enough to purposely find something ethically wrong. all they saw was a foolishly pompous adolescent who occasionally made decent strategy posts but for the most part turned every thread into trash.
Chill claims otherwise. He says everybody knew about his map rigging, even during his first guide, hence why most of the positive comments were out of sarcasm.
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
This is news to me.
edit: then again I dont play bw much these days.
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Calgary25980 Posts
Why are you PM'ing me privately and then talking in this thread?
Had I heard he rigged maps? Of course. I assumed he only did it in big games against big names to show all his fans. It was only once he started doing it in casuals with the veterans of this forum that it was time to take action. I'm not going to personally take it upon myself to prove everyone who posts a strategical guide is legit. Many people actually benefited from his first TvP guide (believe it or not) and the discussion that the comments generated. If we allowed everyone to troll LS for being a suspected cheater, we would rob the community of this discussion.
Again, if someone knew he was a cheater, they have two options: Let us know with irrefutable evidence, via a thread or PM, or just let it go. Derailing every strategical discussion he takes part in is not an option.
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On December 06 2007 07:26 Chill wrote:
Which guide, the first one or the second one? I had always known he was occassionally a map rigger, but had given him the benefit of the doubt until it happened first hand, which was about 2 weeks after he finished the second guide. Saying you're a top foreigner isn't really talking crap, it's just being ignorant. People didn't "let him" do anything, they were constantly giving him shit in every thread he posted in. Alright I'm done in this thread, there's nothing really more to say.
On December 01 2007 03:39 BlueRoyaL wrote:
As is obvious, anyone has the right to be immune from flaming in TL.net; anyone that randomly without reason flames on another recieves warns or time bans.
THIS is like one of the only times we get to talk shit about someone; when they've been caught as an idiot and a little scrub.
While I'm not a fan of flaming, there just seems to be too many reasons to flame on this kid; more so on the hopes that from somewhere/some proxy that he's reading this.
What I found hilarious was when I went to the thread for his "LastShad0w TvP Pressure guide", there were so many comments such as "really nice guide" "Thanks so Much!!! <33" "Omg sexy TvP guide". ahahaha all of us got owned ;p
Link to guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=53683
On December 01 2007 03:52 Chill wrote:Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready.
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Calgary25980 Posts
Yes, that is what I said, and everything is accurate. You can keep quoting me all you want, I'm not making up stories or changing what I'm saying.
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On December 07 2007 02:38 Chill wrote:
Why are you PM'ing me privately and then talking in this thread?
Had I heard he rigged maps? Of course. I assumed he only did it in big games against big names to show all his fans. It was only once he started doing it in casuals with the veterans of this forum that it was time to take action. I'm not going to personally take it upon myself to prove everyone who posts a strategical guide is legit. Many people actually benefited from his first TvP guide (believe it or not) and the discussion that the comments generated. If we allowed everyone to troll LS for being a suspected cheater, we would rob the community of this discussion.
Again, if someone knew he was a cheater, they have two options: Let us know with irrefutable evidence, via a thread or PM, or just let it go. Derailing every strategical discussion he takes part in is not an option.
No, you can also ,non offensively, try and inform the community that he is a suspected cheater. If you knew as you said, that he was map rigger, you could of tried to bring it to the community's awareness. People could of been more careful whilst playing with him. This [b]Pressure[b] could of even let him to try and stop using rigged maps, in order to save face. If it were to be untrue, it wouldn't have brought any great harm to his name. Its like I call testie a maphacker now. It would mean nothing because I can't bring any proof that he is still maphacking.
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On December 07 2007 02:42 Chill wrote:
Yes, that is what I said, and everything is accurate. You can keep quoting me all you want, I'm not making up stories or changing what I'm saying.
I was responding to haji. In hindsight, I'm not sure if Haji is saying its news to him of his map rigging, or news to him of your knowledge of the fact that he was a maprigger.
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Calgary25980 Posts
Ok, then you (or anyone) should have taken it upon yourself to PM every member of this forum. Trolling his every post is not the way to do that.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
i don't even know what you're trying to say himurakenshin
are we too mean to lastshadow? should a cheater not be exposed for what he is and embarassed? should we go to great lengths to preserve his dignity and simply stop playing him?
this isn't daycare
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How about making a thread? or posting it in one of his guides? Did I once advocate that users should "troll his every post"? I don' think I did, so please don't put words in my mouth. LastShadow is turning into the next Carlodaijin.
All the mods stuck up for him and he turned out to be...well...Carlo...
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Calgary25980 Posts
It's not my job to be the "cheater watchdog". I had heard he rigged high-level games. I assumed he didn't do it often, and because I didn't want to go out and assemble hundreds of LastShadow replays and start analysing them, I based my actions on that assumption. Guess what? I was wrong. But for every person I give the benefit to and am wrong, I will be right an equal amount of times. So should I make a thread calling out suspected cheaters, and if innocent people get caught in between, fuck 'em?
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Calgary25980 Posts
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On December 07 2007 02:51 intrigue wrote:
i don't even know what you're trying to say himurakenshin
are we too mean to lastshadow? should a cheater not be exposed for what he is and embarassed? should we go to great lengths to preserve his dignity and simply stop playing him?
this isn't daycare
I'm not saying that at all. I fully support the creation of this thread. What I was trying to say is that Chill claims he knew about this all along, not only him, but many of the posters who commented on his first "Pressure" guide, but said nothing about it. Either Chill is bullshitting, or if they knew, I feel somebody should of atleast hinted to the community that he is a map rigger so that other people could of taken more caution when playing him and not have let this farce go on for so long.
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Calgary25980 Posts
On December 07 2007 02:51 himurakenshin wrote:
Did I once advocate that users should "troll his every post"? I don' think I did, so please don't put words in my mouth.
Yes, in fact you did. He posted a guide, and you're taking offense that I 2-day-banned someone for posting the Under Pressure video. That's trolling him specifically, which you advocating.
LastShadow is turning into the next Carlodaijin.
All the mods stuck up for him and he turned out to be...well...Carlo...
Don't you think that it's worth something that we get it right in the end? We're not psychic so we stick up for people who are getting trolled. You sound like you want people to be banned at the first sign of a bad post.
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Calgary25980 Posts
On December 07 2007 02:53 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 02:51 intrigue wrote:
i don't even know what you're trying to say himurakenshin
are we too mean to lastshadow? should a cheater not be exposed for what he is and embarassed? should we go to great lengths to preserve his dignity and simply stop playing him?
this isn't daycare I'm not saying that at all. I fully support the creation of this thread. What I was trying to say is that Chill claims he knew about this all along, not only him, but many of the posters who commented on his first "Pressure" guide, but said nothing about it. Either Chill is bullshitting, or if they knew, I feel somebody should of atleast hinted to the community that he is a map rigger so that other people could of taken more caution when playing him and not have let this farce go on for so long.
As I said, do you want me to make a thread about all my suspected cheaters? I don't get what you want me to do. I've explained this over and over.
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On December 07 2007 02:51 Chill wrote:
It's not my job to be the "cheater watchdog". I had heard he rigged high-level games. I assumed he didn't do it often, and because I didn't want to go out and assemble hundreds of LastShadow replays and start analysing them, I based my actions on that assumption. Guess what? I was wrong. But for every person I give the benefit to and am wrong, I will be right an equal amount of times. So should I make a thread calling out suspected cheaters, and if innocent people get caught in between, fuck 'em?
nono, you didn't say you suspected him, you said you knew he was an occasional map rigger all along. That's a big difference. And look at the dates between his first thread, where you claim that not only you, but many other posters knew he was map rigger, and posted out of sarcasm, and the creation of this thread.
May - December
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On December 07 2007 02:53 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 02:51 intrigue wrote:
i don't even know what you're trying to say himurakenshin
are we too mean to lastshadow? should a cheater not be exposed for what he is and embarassed? should we go to great lengths to preserve his dignity and simply stop playing him?
this isn't daycare I'm not saying that at all. I fully support the creation of this thread. What I was trying to say is that Chill claims he knew about this all along, not only him, but many of the posters who commented on his first "Pressure" guide, but said nothing about it. Either Chill is bullshitting, or if they knew, I feel somebody should of atleast hinted to the community that he is a map rigger so that other people could of taken more caution when playing him and not have let this farce go on for so long.
Learn to read... as far as I can gather:
Chill says he heard accusations by the time of the first guide, but did not think his cheating was that widespread or serious. It was a judgment call.
It was not known until rather recently the true extent of his cheating when many people all brought it up and an investigation was done and this thread was made.
You don't just call somebody out for being a cheater after an occasional accusation without proof.
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On December 07 2007 02:55 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 02:51 himurakenshin wrote:
Did I once advocate that users should "troll his every post"? I don' think I did, so please don't put words in my mouth. Yes, in fact you did. He posted a guide, and you're taking offense that I 2-day-banned someone for posting the Under Pressure video. That's trolling him specifically, which you advocating. Show nested quote +LastShadow is turning into the next Carlodaijin.
All the mods stuck up for him and he turned out to be...well...Carlo... Don't you think that it's worth something that we get it right in the end? We're not psychic so we stick up for people who are getting trolled. You sound like you want people to be banned at the first sign of a bad post.
Once again, did I advocate trolling his every post? No. Is posting a Under Pressure MV trolling his every post? No. With regards to that topic, I just find it strange that you would temp-ban somebody over some sarcasm posted even though you knew he was a cheater. I just find it strange.
And about Carlo, you weren't even a mod during the Carlo incident (IIRC), so why are you talking about that using "we".
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On December 07 2007 02:58 azndsh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 02:53 himurakenshin wrote:On December 07 2007 02:51 intrigue wrote:
i don't even know what you're trying to say himurakenshin
are we too mean to lastshadow? should a cheater not be exposed for what he is and embarassed? should we go to great lengths to preserve his dignity and simply stop playing him?
this isn't daycare I'm not saying that at all. I fully support the creation of this thread. What I was trying to say is that Chill claims he knew about this all along, not only him, but many of the posters who commented on his first "Pressure" guide, but said nothing about it. Either Chill is bullshitting, or if they knew, I feel somebody should of atleast hinted to the community that he is a map rigger so that other people could of taken more caution when playing him and not have let this farce go on for so long. Learn to read... as far as I can gather: Chill says he heard accusations by the time of the first guide, but did not think his cheating was that widespread or serious. It was a judgment call. It was not known until rather recently the true extent of his cheating when many people all brought it up and an investigation was done and this thread was made. You don't just call somebody out for being a cheater after an occasional accusation without proof.
Why don't you learn to read. Chill said he knew that he was a cheater, and that other people knew about this as well, hence the "sarcastic" comments of praise in his first guide, posted in May.
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Calgary25980 Posts
Okay dude, you are getting hung up on the most minor of details, so I'm going to be very specific with this reply and hopefully you'll be satisfied.
Early 2007: Someone told me he was a map rigger (I forget who). I had never played him.
Mid 2007: I met him online. Played him PvT. He used allied Mines on me and then talked shit when he lost. I never saw him online again.
~July-October: I heard about him releasing a replay on GG.net against... Idra? Artosis? Nony? Some media member where he rigged the replay. He claimed it was an accident.
Mid-November 2007: He asked for games on Hamachi, me and Zulu_Nation8 played him 4 games. He used a rigged map on all of us.
Late-November 2007: We asked the community for more rigged plays, now that we knew he is not only doing this is high-level games, but casual games against TL veteran members.
So did I "know" he was a map rigger before November. I guess so, but not indesputably and not first hand. I also didn't know the extent of his rigging.
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Calgary25980 Posts
On December 07 2007 03:00 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 02:55 Chill wrote:On December 07 2007 02:51 himurakenshin wrote:
Did I once advocate that users should "troll his every post"? I don' think I did, so please don't put words in my mouth. Yes, in fact you did. He posted a guide, and you're taking offense that I 2-day-banned someone for posting the Under Pressure video. That's trolling him specifically, which you advocating. LastShadow is turning into the next Carlodaijin.
All the mods stuck up for him and he turned out to be...well...Carlo... Don't you think that it's worth something that we get it right in the end? We're not psychic so we stick up for people who are getting trolled. You sound like you want people to be banned at the first sign of a bad post. Once again, did I advocate trolling his every post? No. Is posting a Under Pressure MV trolling his every post? No. With regards to that topic, I just find it strange that you would temp-ban somebody over some sarcasm posted even though you knew he was a cheater. I just find it strange. And about Carlo, you weren't even a mod during the Carlo incident (IIRC), so why are you talking about that using "we".
My reply had nothing to do with Carlo, so that's why I'm using "we".
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Calgary25980 Posts
On December 07 2007 03:02 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 02:58 azndsh wrote:On December 07 2007 02:53 himurakenshin wrote:On December 07 2007 02:51 intrigue wrote:
i don't even know what you're trying to say himurakenshin
are we too mean to lastshadow? should a cheater not be exposed for what he is and embarassed? should we go to great lengths to preserve his dignity and simply stop playing him?
this isn't daycare I'm not saying that at all. I fully support the creation of this thread. What I was trying to say is that Chill claims he knew about this all along, not only him, but many of the posters who commented on his first "Pressure" guide, but said nothing about it. Either Chill is bullshitting, or if they knew, I feel somebody should of atleast hinted to the community that he is a map rigger so that other people could of taken more caution when playing him and not have let this farce go on for so long. Learn to read... as far as I can gather: Chill says he heard accusations by the time of the first guide, but did not think his cheating was that widespread or serious. It was a judgment call. It was not known until rather recently the true extent of his cheating when many people all brought it up and an investigation was done and this thread was made. You don't just call somebody out for being a cheater after an occasional accusation without proof. Why don't you learn to read. Chill said he knew that he was a cheater, and that other people knew about this as well, hence the "sarcastic" comments of praise in his first guide, posted in May.
The sarcastic comments were to the second guide, which I said. That's why he was banned. Why would we keep him around for 6 months after proving he was a cheater?
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On December 07 2007 03:05 Chill wrote:
Okay dude, you are getting hung up on the most minor of details, so I'm going to be very specific with this reply and hopefully you'll be satisfied.
Early 2007: Someone told me he was a map rigger (I forget who). I had never played him.
Mid 2007: I met him online. Played him PvT. He used allied Mines on me and then talked shit when he lost. I never saw him online again.
~July-October: I heard about him releasing a replay on GG.net against... Idra? Artosis? Nony? Some media member where he rigged the replay. He claimed it was an accident.
Mid-November 2007: He asked for games on Hamachi, me and Zulu_Nation8 played him 4 games. He used a rigged map on all of us.
Late-November 2007: We asked the community for more rigged plays, now that we knew he is not only doing this is high-level games, but casual games against TL veteran members.
So did I "know" he was a map rigger before November. I guess so, but not indesputably and not first hand. I also didn't know the extent of his rigging.
Man....you said that you and others KNEW he was a map rigger when he posted his FIRST guide..in MAY
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
oh god this is still going on
the reason everyone trolled his first thread is because the guy is just so ridiculous, just look at it for christ's sake:
Super Pressure Style Guide to my Build Orders and Thoughts on what is going on.
Due to many people asking me to write a Super Pressure Oriented Terran Guide on wgt/gg.net/b.net, I have finally chosen to do so.
as for the cheating, nony caught lastshadow using rigged maps months ago, but it was dismissed as an accident. it was something that people might have heard about randomly, but not a big issue.
what i'm curious about is why you're so hellbent on exposing chill as some piece of shit lying mod, people make mistakes alright? who cares if he gets the timeline mixed up a bit - there's no conspiracy here man. find something better to nitpick about please =| (i suggest this thread: http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=63465)
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TL.Net is so gay sometimes.
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What I found hilarious was when I went to the thread for his "LastShad0w TvP Pressure guide", there were so many comments such as "really nice guide" "Thanks so Much!!! <33" "Omg sexy TvP guide". ahahaha all of us got owned ;p
On December 01 2007 03:52 Chill wrote:Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready.
LastShad0w TvP Pressure guide is his first guide. And you say those comments were sarcastic. That guide was in may, not November.
I'm not trying to say that Chill is a lying piece of shit mod. I'm saying that his post made it seem like he knew this shit all along.
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Calgary25980 Posts
Well that burned up my morning. It's almost lunch time. Pewpew
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
okay so he confused the names of the threads
himurakenshininternetdetective 10 - 0 chilldumbass
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Calgary25980 Posts
I didn't even post the first comment! Not my fault!
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On December 07 2007 03:16 intrigue wrote:
okay so he confused the names of the threads
himurakenshininternetdetective 10 - 0 chilldumbass
lol I'm INTERNET DETECTIVE YO~~
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On December 07 2007 03:13 MYM.Testie wrote:
TL.Net is so gay sometimes.
urtehgay
I don't see wtf the deal is. First time or two can be chalked up to 'oh my bad, downloaded the rigged map from a friend' *or instert other random lame excuse here*. It's not like how you can hack and be like 'MY BAD DIDNT KNOW'. But after he did it multiple times, chill says something. Big wuff?
Anyway, one less prick on here
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I was wondering, was Testie's map hacking exposed on TL too? I was searching for a thread but I couldn't find it...
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
nope.
TL.net wasnt ran by witch hunters at that time. He was mocked and defriended but his hacking didnt get a thread with evidence and lame sarcastic humor.
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On December 07 2007 03:14 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +
What I found hilarious was when I went to the thread for his "LastShad0w TvP Pressure guide", there were so many comments such as "really nice guide" "Thanks so Much!!! <33" "Omg sexy TvP guide". ahahaha all of us got owned ;p
Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 03:52 Chill wrote:Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready. LastShad0w TvP Pressure guide is his first guide. And you say those comments were sarcastic. That guide was in may, not November. I'm not trying to say that Chill is a lying piece of shit mod. I'm saying that his post made it seem like he knew this shit all along.
thank you, himurakenshin, for your though-provoking and amazing expose on the "misleading" statements by our public figure Chill. i greatly appreciate you and your exhaustive and meticulous argument that spanned several pages in this thread! without it, i don't know what i would have done, this thread would have been meaningless, and i'm sure everyone thinks the same. thank you himurakenshin, thank you.
perhaps we should contact CNN or the NYTimes, they may want to run a front page news story "Local forum Moderator implied he KNEW ALL ALONG, but he might not have!! at least himurakenshin thinks so!" by himurakenshin. Pulitzer, for sure.
(alternate headline: "local forum user misunderstands words on the internet; is stupid")
everyone make sure to read pages 16-18 of this thread, it's TL.net hall of fame material for sure. we should promote himurakenshin to "TL.net detective" immediately, he could have a black name (for THE LAW) and a magnifying glass as an icon.
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On December 07 2007 03:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
nope.
TL.net wasnt ran by witch hunters at that time. He was mocked and defriended but his hacking didnt get a thread with evidence and lame sarcastic humor.
Wasn't his map hacking well known before TL.net was around?
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On December 07 2007 03:48 Ansible wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 03:14 himurakenshin wrote:
What I found hilarious was when I went to the thread for his "LastShad0w TvP Pressure guide", there were so many comments such as "really nice guide" "Thanks so Much!!! <33" "Omg sexy TvP guide". ahahaha all of us got owned ;p
On December 01 2007 03:52 Chill wrote:Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready. LastShad0w TvP Pressure guide is his first guide. And you say those comments were sarcastic. That guide was in may, not November. I'm not trying to say that Chill is a lying piece of shit mod. I'm saying that his post made it seem like he knew this shit all along. thank you, himurakenshin, for your though-provoking and amazing expose on the "misleading" statements by our public figure Chill. i greatly appreciate you and your exhaustive and meticulous argument that spanned several pages in this thread! without it, i don't know what i would have done, this thread would have been meaningless, and i'm sure everyone thinks the same. thank you himurakenshin, thank you. perhaps we should contact CNN or the NYTimes, they may want to run a front page news story "Local forum Moderator implied he KNEW ALL ALONG, but he might not have!! at least himurakenshin thinks so!" by himurakenshin. Pulitzer, for sure. (alternate headline: "local forum user misunderstands words on the internet; is stupid") everyone make sure to read pages 16-18 of this thread, it's TL.net hall of fame material for sure. we should promote himurakenshin to "TL.net detective" immediately, he could have a black name (for THE LAW) and a magnifying glass as an icon.
Hi! Welcome to Teamliquid ^_______^
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On December 07 2007 03:14 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +
What I found hilarious was when I went to the thread for his "LastShad0w TvP Pressure guide", there were so many comments such as "really nice guide" "Thanks so Much!!! <33" "Omg sexy TvP guide". ahahaha all of us got owned ;p
Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 03:52 Chill wrote:Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready. LastShad0w TvP Pressure guide is his first guide. And you say those comments were sarcastic. That guide was in may, not November. I'm not trying to say that Chill is a lying piece of shit mod. I'm saying that his post made it seem like he knew this shit all along.
did you even read the threads or just assumed that BlueRoyal didn't fucked up in his thread title? after using the search function:
LastShadow's TvP Pressure Guide:
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=7&topic_id=53683
nothing really sarcastic going on (beside the pressure stuff), most are sincere answers
[G]The New Lastshadow TvP Guide!!
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=62877
On November 26 2007 03:14 decafchicken wrote:
Absolutely GREAT guide lastshadow, improved my TvP soooooo much.
Would you please do a TvZ guide too?
On November 26 2007 04:52 Seraphim wrote:
Nice! I can't wait to turn into Stork and Boxer!
Thanks so much LS
On November 26 2007 09:23 decafchicken wrote: Show nested quote +On November 26 2007 04:36 lastshadow wrote:
Ok Question and Answer section can now be found at the bottom.
Chill, should I put it elsewhere in the guide? It doesn't seem to fit at the bottom.
Where would you like it or others for that matter?
And to the TvZ requests, its a possibilty, however I'd prefer to do PvT first, and TvZ is my weak point, but yes definately will consider it soon.
Thx for updating with Q&A Please do a TvZ first pleaseeeeee thanks a ton LS
On November 27 2007 00:20 yubee wrote:
wow, i know the shadow rush was a big joke before but i had never actually seen the build order. it's really a great build! i definitely think if the shadow rush became more popularized tosses would start to think twice about double expanding!!!
etc... the list goes on.
Look at the date.
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On December 07 2007 03:55 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 03:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
nope.
TL.net wasnt ran by witch hunters at that time. He was mocked and defriended but his hacking didnt get a thread with evidence and lame sarcastic humor. Wasn't his map hacking well known before TL.net was around?
Nick has had several hacking incidents and I think TL.net was around in 2002? Even earlier.. it was around then that Nick hacked. I could be wrong and if I am I am sorry. But this is what I think anyways, Nick would know the date of his temporary immaturity (he has grown since then obviously!)
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TL.net Counter-Detective Eti307 to the rescue!
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On December 07 2007 03:48 Ansible wrote:
we should promote himurakenshin to "TL.net detective" immediately, he could have a black name (for THE LAW) and a magnifying glass as an icon.
second this
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i have more detective skills yet to be seen! (but i'm kinda getting tired of this. Seems like detective work isn't really for me).
BlueRoyal mentioned comments in the guide:
"really nice guide" "Thanks so Much!!! <33" "Omg sexy TvP guide"
and I found these in the First guide
nice guide, id like the reps allot, when i try to dl reps from wgt all i get is a page full of jiberish, i wanted to check out how supermachine plays
<3 perfective, so sexy tvp
maybe you could post some reps
I went to the second guide.
Search : sexy
Results: 0!!!!
Search: ninja
Results: 0
From this, I concluded that Blue Royal did not make a mistake in the thread title. He did not claim about sarcasm either.
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Thing is, these things get worse when there is a particular person who does the hacking that the "cool" nerds don't like.
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<3 perfective, so sexy tvp
maybe you could post some reps
Posted by: dropthesky Canada. May 22 2007 20:30. Posts 283
someone no one knows, how can he be sarcastic. Chill said only a few forum posters knew about it (veterans) and those were the one posting sarcastic comments.
nice guide, id like the reps allot, when i try to dl reps from wgt all i get is a page full of jiberish, i wanted to check out how supermachine plays
Posted by: besiger.cry Croatia. May 23 2007 08:45. Posts 722
I don't see anything sarcastic in this comment either.
Try harder.
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On December 07 2007 03:05 Chill wrote:
Okay dude, you are getting hung up on the most minor of details, so I'm going to be very specific with this reply and hopefully you'll be satisfied.
Early 2007: Someone told me he was a map rigger (I forget who). I had never played him.
Mid 2007: I met him online. Played him PvT. He used allied Mines on me and then talked shit when he lost. I never saw him online again.
~July-October: I heard about him releasing a replay on GG.net against... Idra? Artosis? Nony? Some media member where he rigged the replay. He claimed it was an accident.
Mid-November 2007: He asked for games on Hamachi, me and Zulu_Nation8 played him 4 games. He used a rigged map on all of us.
Late-November 2007: We asked the community for more rigged plays, now that we knew he is not only doing this is high-level games, but casual games against TL veteran members.
So did I "know" he was a map rigger before November. I guess so, but not indesputably and not first hand. I also didn't know the extent of his rigging.
it's zulu_nation8
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On December 07 2007 04:15 Eti307 wrote: Posted by: dropthesky Canada. May 22 2007 20:30. Posts 283 someone no one knows, how can he be sarcastic. Chill said only a few forum veterans knew about it and those were the one posting sarcastic comments. Show nested quote +nice guide, id like the reps allot, when i try to dl reps from wgt all i get is a page full of jiberish, i wanted to check out how supermachine plays Posted by: besiger.cry Croatia. May 23 2007 08:45. Posts 722 I don't see anything sarcastic in this comment either. Try harder.
Who's talking about sarcasm? You first said that BlueRoyal made a mistake when referencing the name of which guide he was talking about. I just showed you that he didn't. I don't understand this this sentence:
someone no one knows, how can he be sarcastic.
So I can't really comment on it.
Then Chill responded directly to BlueRoyal's post saying the "omg sexy TvP" etc. posts were out of sarcasm.
After me and Chill talked about it, it was clear that Chill didn't realize which guide BlueRoyal was talking about. He mistakingly though he was talking about the second guide instead of the first.
case closed lol~
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This is why you should never hire Romanian detectives
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Who's talking about sarcasm? You first said that BlueRoyal made a mistake when referencing the name of which guide he was talking about. I just showed you that he didn't. I don't understand this this sentence: So I can't really comment on it.
Chill said only a few members knew about the map rigging and those were the one posting sarcasm all over the threads. Now the one posting omg sexy TvP is clearly not a forum veteran, and I doubt Chill would've shared this information with him.
But yeah,
new guide = sarcasm filled comments
old guide = real comments.
Now anyone could've deduce that after Chill's comment. You didn't had to argue so much before clearing it up.
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On December 07 2007 04:30 Eti307 wrote:Show nested quote +Who's talking about sarcasm? You first said that BlueRoyal made a mistake when referencing the name of which guide he was talking about. I just showed you that he didn't. I don't understand this this sentence: someone no one knows, how can he be sarcastic. So I can't really comment on it. Chill said only a few members knew about the map rigging and those were the one posting sarcasm all over the threads. Now the one posting omg sexy TvP is clearly not a forum veteran, and I doubt Chill would've shared this information with him. But yeah, new guide = sarcasm filled comments old guide = real comments. Now anyone could've deduce that after Chill's comment. You didn't had to argue so much before clearing it up.
Chill said made the comment regarding forum veterans muuch later on. The post he made directly after BlueRoyal's post said that the posts which BlueRoyal was referring to (from the first guide) were sarcastic. And I dunno if your romanian or not, but saying "perfection <3 sexy TvP!!!" can clearly be sarcastic if he knew that LastShadow was a cheater, which is what Chill implied in that post.
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On December 01 2007 03:52 Chill wrote:Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready.
I doubt the replay analysis takes 6months to accomplish
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So it's clear that he is not talking about the first guide.
I'm no romanian
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On December 07 2007 04:38 Eti307 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2007 03:52 Chill wrote:Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready. I doubt the replay analysis takes 6months to accomplish
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No, how do I know how long they take to collect replays and evidence and analyze them? What point are you trying to make? First you say that BlueRoyal made a mistake in the title, then I showed you he didn't, then your saying that Chill said forum veterans, then I said he said it much later on, now your coming up with something based on how long it takes them to collect and analyze replays...
its because it seemed like they were waiting so long to collect information is why I found it strange and was asking Chill if he knew this for so long why didn't he say anything. Chill never responded sayin that he was talking about the second guide. Rather he said he always knew he was an occasional map rigger.
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On December 07 2007 04:42 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 04:38 Eti307 wrote:On December 01 2007 03:52 Chill wrote:Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready. I doubt the replay analysis takes 6months to accomplish
kakaka nice one, I didn't get it at first ^^
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What are you trying to prove here???
Oh nooos, Chill made a little mistake in his timeline, I think you got your point clear afther 4pages of nagging. So now let this discussion rest and lets all flame LastShadow a bit more.
Gj on the thread btw! I was almost feeling sorry for him being flamed all the time, but this thread puts things in a different perspective.
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On December 07 2007 04:42 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 04:38 Eti307 wrote:On December 01 2007 03:52 Chill wrote:Those comments were actually because we had already found out he was a cheater and were being sarcastic while ITW got all the replays and analysis ready. I doubt the replay analysis takes 6months to accomplish
omg lolololol
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He said he didn't have any clear evidence until he played him. which was around mid november.
Anyway I'm done. I just found strange that you argued for 3 pages on a detail like that. It seemed obvious Chill was talking about the 2nd guide (at least to me).
I'm not fit to be a detective (unless it's in Romania)
and rofl Haji
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On December 07 2007 04:51 Mango wrote:
What are you trying to prove here???
Oh nooos, Chill made a little mistake in his timeline, I think you got your point clear afther 4pages of nagging. So now let this discussion rest and lets all flame LastShadow a bit more.
Gj on the thread btw! I was almost feeling sorry for him being flamed all the time, but this thread puts things in a different perspective.
I finished my discussion with Chill sometime ago, this eri guy started something else
anyways this was one of my favorite lastshadow threads hahahaha:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=58538
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I've noticed recently that TL.net users (in generally) have a hard fucking time staying on topic in just about every thread.
This thread is about Lastshadow map rigging, not by nitpicking the words of the mods who posted shit. Who gives a fuck, seriously?
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On December 07 2007 04:57 Xeris wrote:
I've noticed recently that TL.net users (in generally) have a hard fucking time staying on topic in just about every thread.
This thread is about Lastshadow map rigging, not by nitpicking the words of the mods who posted shit. Who gives a fuck, seriously?
I think you're derailing the thread.
Hypocrite!
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Update: Still laughing at Super Stars.
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Update 2: Still lauging at myself for Super Stars
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On December 07 2007 05:02 thedeadhaji wrote:
Update 2: Still lauging at myself for Super Stars
Hahahaha. HOW WILL HE ANNOUNCE IT IF HE IS TEMP-BANNED! YOU MONSTERS!
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ON THE SUPER STARS WEBSITE OF COURSE!!!
OH SHIT WAIT!
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On December 07 2007 06:09 Navane wrote:
where can i dl the maps?
read.
the.
post.
:O
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On November 30 2007 13:06 Machine[USA] wrote:
rofl i remember him calling me trash and i 4-0ed him, even with his special maps lol
yup i was there
i also beat him with my zerg 3-1 or something and i think 1-0 with my toss. he also /f a all of us and refused to /f r T.T
anyways this is pretty sad T.T
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On December 07 2007 04:54 Eti307 wrote:
He said he didn't have any clear evidence until he played him. which was around mid november.
Anyway I'm done. I just found strange that you argued for 3 pages on a detail like that. It seemed obvious Chill was talking about the 2nd guide (at least to me).
I'm not fit to be a detective (unless it's in Romania)
and rofl Haji
It WAS obvious that Chill was talking about the second guide. It should be obvious to everyone. The tiny insignificant detail that himurakenshin has nicely about for four pages now is something that shouldn't have even been brought up.
Which begs the question why did he spend 25% of the thread arguing a point that didn't matter? There's no real answer to that other than it's the internet, people become stubborn and can't admit even their own obvious misunderstandings.
If I was himurakenshin, I would've weighed the cost (looking like an annoying nitpicker to everyone reading the thread, especially to the staff and veterans) and the benefit (possibly proving a Moderator wrong on a minor point completely irrelevant to anything) and concluded that the best course of action would've been simply to shut the fuck up.
However, I am not him, so now we have the last 4 pages which document his transformation from someone most people never really noticed into someone who is now known for his annoying nitpickery, all for basically no gain to the forum or himself (actually it's a loss, since it also sidetracked and killed the mood of this thread).
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A master's analysis, great job!
This thread rocks.
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On December 07 2007 07:13 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 04:54 Eti307 wrote:
He said he didn't have any clear evidence until he played him. which was around mid november.
Anyway I'm done. I just found strange that you argued for 3 pages on a detail like that. It seemed obvious Chill was talking about the 2nd guide (at least to me).
I'm not fit to be a detective (unless it's in Romania)
and rofl Haji It WAS obvious that Chill was talking about the second guide. It should be obvious to everyone. The tiny insignificant detail that himurakenshin has nicely about for four pages now is something that shouldn't have even been brought up. Which begs the question why did he spend 25% of the thread arguing a point that didn't matter? There's no real answer to that other than it's the internet, people become stubborn and can't admit even their own obvious misunderstandings. If I was himurakenshin, I would've weighed the cost (looking like an annoying nitpicker to everyone reading the thread, especially to the staff and veterans) and the benefit (possibly proving a Moderator wrong on a minor point completely irrelevant to anything) and concluded that the best course of action would've been simply to shut the fuck up. However, I am not him, so now we have the last 4 pages which document his transformation from someone most people never really noticed into someone who is now known for his annoying nitpickery, all for basically no gain to the forum or himself (actually it's a loss, since it also sidetracked and killed the mood of this thread).
You should apply this cost/benefit analysis to more of your posts.
KIDDING I LOVE YOU HOTBID
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I weighed the cost of this post, and it was definitely worth it.
Chill likes penis.
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On December 07 2007 05:10 thedeadhaji wrote:
ON THE SUPER STARS WEBSITE OF COURSE!!!
OH SHIT WAIT!
HAHAHA
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On December 07 2007 07:31 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 07:13 Hot_Bid wrote:On December 07 2007 04:54 Eti307 wrote:
He said he didn't have any clear evidence until he played him. which was around mid november.
Anyway I'm done. I just found strange that you argued for 3 pages on a detail like that. It seemed obvious Chill was talking about the 2nd guide (at least to me).
I'm not fit to be a detective (unless it's in Romania)
and rofl Haji It WAS obvious that Chill was talking about the second guide. It should be obvious to everyone. The tiny insignificant detail that himurakenshin has nicely about for four pages now is something that shouldn't have even been brought up. Which begs the question why did he spend 25% of the thread arguing a point that didn't matter? There's no real answer to that other than it's the internet, people become stubborn and can't admit even their own obvious misunderstandings. If I was himurakenshin, I would've weighed the cost (looking like an annoying nitpicker to everyone reading the thread, especially to the staff and veterans) and the benefit (possibly proving a Moderator wrong on a minor point completely irrelevant to anything) and concluded that the best course of action would've been simply to shut the fuck up. However, I am not him, so now we have the last 4 pages which document his transformation from someone most people never really noticed into someone who is now known for his annoying nitpickery, all for basically no gain to the forum or himself (actually it's a loss, since it also sidetracked and killed the mood of this thread). You should apply this cost/benefit analysis to more of your posts. KIDDING I LOVE YOU HOTBID
Hotbid should apply passive voice to phrases that need it.
KIDDING I LOVE YOU HOTBID
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Please... stop... using the word... "saaar-caaasm" !
IT BURNS USSSSS
+ Show Spoiler +
And I thought the Romanian thing got old.
Penis.
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On December 07 2007 07:33 Hot_Bid wrote:
Chill likes penis.
Well apparently...
It's what happens when you're not paying attention to what she's doing.
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Dude your girl is HAIRY.
Nice.
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Sasquatch bitch all the way man. Keeps your shit warm in the winter, I'm telling you.
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What does penis have to do with Lastshadow being banned hahahahahahaha
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On December 07 2007 13:33 Equinox_kr wrote:
What does penis have to do with Lastshadow being banned hahahahahahaha
more than you think man. gog lastshadow! I KNOW YOU MADE A NEW NAME AKA (STORM DROPS STRATEGY THREAD GTFO NEWB)
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lol wtf how is this thread 20 pages deep? Is it worth going back and reading through?
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On December 07 2007 04:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 03:55 SonuvBob wrote:On December 07 2007 03:42 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
nope.
TL.net wasnt ran by witch hunters at that time. He was mocked and defriended but his hacking didnt get a thread with evidence and lame sarcastic humor. Wasn't his map hacking well known before TL.net was around? Nick has had several hacking incidents and I think TL.net was around in 2002? Even earlier.. it was around then that Nick hacked. I could be wrong and if I am I am sorry. But this is what I think anyways, Nick would know the date of his temporary immaturity (he has grown since then obviously!)
testie was first caught hacking in like 2000 or so, pretty certain it was tao-of-gaming that exposed him then. (he was playing a tourney, was told to screenshot during the game which was how you detected maphack back then, and sent them the screenshot which had minerals exposed which could only be due to maphack. )
then he sort of got his redemption, although people were still super suspicious, until there was a tourney hosted by clanbase in early 2002(february). I then, without really knowing how, suddenly remembered a game I had played against him 7 months prior to that, which proved him still hacking. tl.net was not around at that time, teamliquid.cjb.net might have been, but the exposure and thread happened in the battlereports.com replay section (a replay with 353 comments.. )
testie denied that it was him playing and it generated some discussion (basically some friends of testie stuck up for him, everyone not dumb did not) on the forums that were present at the time, (clanbase had some threads, im not sure what others though, possibly cloira or something.) but teamliquid.net was not one of them. you can be certain that it would have been posted here before any other place if we had the site.
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I have a lot of respect for Testie becoming the top foreigner despite his bad record. Hopefully LastShadow can do the same, since I think he looks up to Testie too.
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On December 07 2007 04:56 himurakenshin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2007 04:51 Mango wrote:
What are you trying to prove here???
Oh nooos, Chill made a little mistake in his timeline, I think you got your point clear afther 4pages of nagging. So now let this discussion rest and lets all flame LastShadow a bit more.
Gj on the thread btw! I was almost feeling sorry for him being flamed all the time, but this thread puts things in a different perspective. I finished my discussion with Chill sometime ago, this eri guy started something else anyways this was one of my favorite lastshadow threads hahahaha: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=58538
I know we're not allowed to bump old threads without reason but I have to say that thread is one of the funniest I've ever read. Especially the part where the girl asks him to type it all out but in one paragraph. Hahahah XD
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On December 08 2007 00:38 himurakenshin wrote:
I have a lot of respect for Testie becoming the top foreigner despite his bad record. Hopefully LastShadow can do the same, since I think he looks up to Testie too.
Hopefully, one day in the distant future, Chill too can earn our trust again, and make up for his terrible transgressions in this thread.
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On December 08 2007 03:53 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2007 00:38 himurakenshin wrote:
I have a lot of respect for Testie becoming the top foreigner despite his bad record. Hopefully LastShadow can do the same, since I think he looks up to Testie too. Hopefully, one day in the distant future, Chill too can earn our trust again, and make up for his terrible transgressions in this thread.
If we don't burn him at the stake first!
edit: and there's a big difference between testie n shadow, in that testie isn't annoying as shit and doesn't trashtalk everyone he sees.
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Testie is awesome from what I saw in his WCG interview.. I'm a HUGE fan!
but no more hacking ok, not worth it!
edit: On December 08 2007 00:38 himurakenshin wrote:
I have a lot of respect for Testie becoming the top foreigner despite his bad record. Hopefully LastShadow can do the same, since I think he looks up to Testie too.
NO WAY he can do the same as Testie.. his game timing is WAY off 
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The reps are awesome, he mass 30+ vultures at 8 mins. I learned how to play Terran.
+ Show Spoiler +LOL THAT WAS FUNNY TO WATCH
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There's a difference between mineral hack and map hack. While both are considered bad by the community, i remember hearing about korean progamers sometimes practicing with it on (as long as their opponent agreed) to learn the timings of the game better.
On the other hand, mineral hack has done nothing good at all for lastshadow, in fact just made him worse. What better way to ruin the real sense of timing in starcraft then by making units cheaper? If he does try to get back without mineral hacking he's probably gonna have a hard time and he's definately not going to "dominate" or whatever like he did before with HaX.
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If you're maphacking with your opponent's permission you can just play with vision.
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I know some korean players which used to use maphack on bnet, and they say they learned timing really well. One korean told me its a good way to learn because he said once you know what information you need, you can then learn to scout well to find that information.
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On one hand we got some people who maphack to learn timings to improve their game, and on the other we have lastshadow who rigged maps so he can make worthless shadowrush guides and brag about his wins
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On December 10 2007 22:45 himurakenshin wrote:
I know some korean players which used to use maphack on bnet, and they say they learned timing really well. One korean told me its a good way to learn because he said once you know what information you need, you can then learn to scout well to find that information.
Isn't it actually the opposite? You need timing because you have to make assumptions without scouting. How would being able to see what your opponent is doing give you better timing?
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I've played with vision of opponent on a couple times and to be honest by mid game you won't even have time to look at their base.
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Well when you use maphack, after a while you would be able to look at how many units you have, and have a good estimate of what their going to have. Which you could use to time your pushes.
You could learn all this through playing/replays but I assume using MH is faster and possibly more accurate.
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On December 11 2007 07:12 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Well when you use maphack, after a while you would be able to look at how many units you have, and have a good estimate of what their going to have. Which you could use to time your pushes.
You could learn all this through playing/replays but I assume using MH is faster and possibly more accurate.
its true. Playing with MH is like playing and watching replay at the same time. I've always claimed this and i still think its a good way to practice. But of course, its not fair to your opponent so i guess playing with shared vision is the way to go.
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Well... LastShadow aka LightDark's reign of terror on WGT has now ended. After starting with a good rec only playing TvP and making bold claims on reaching A rank then apologizing, he pretty much stopped playing upon realizing he could not TvZ to save his life and dropped like 12/15 games.
Anyways then WGT admins decided, this guy doesnt deserve another chance to "prove himself", at least not on WGT. ban.
ggnore
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On December 14 2007 02:37 Xeris wrote:
making bold claims on reaching A rank then apologizing
Apologizing? For not getting A? Explain more! I'm confused!
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oh dear i just saw this thread hahahaha...
i thought the lastshadow thingy would've died down by now.
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he was telling me "once I reach A rank I'll post a public apology"
guess that aint happenin =o
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Qcg.lightdark is now* banned for life of wgt =)
sry lol
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On December 14 2007 02:37 Xeris wrote:
Well... LastShadow aka LightDark's reign of terror on WGT has now ended. After starting with a good rec only playing TvP and making bold claims on reaching A rank then apologizing, he pretty much stopped playing upon realizing he could not TvZ to save his life and dropped like 12/15 games.
Anyways then WGT admins decided, this guy doesnt deserve another chance to "prove himself", at least not on WGT. ban.
ggnore
"Marine (build time 24->20, hit points 40->35) (LOL)"
Maybe if he stopped building these marines, he'd be able to TvZ better.
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Lol @ his last games, 2-12 against smi.spades
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LMAO. LightDark is lastshadow? I just got back to bw and played 5 tvps against him. I was P. I won all 5 easily. After each game he would make a big scene about how he "didn't know what was wrong" and go on and on about how good he was. Making sure to name drop the good players hed beaten. Until the last game that is, where he just logged off without saying gg. I shouldve known it was him when he said he "had no aka"
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Braavos36375 Posts
On December 14 2007 06:42 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:LMAO. LightDark is lastshadow? I just got back to bw and played 5 tvps against him. I was P. I won all 5 easily. After each game he would make a big scene about how he "didn't know what was wrong" and go on and on about how good he was. Making sure to name drop the good players hed beaten. Until the last game that is, where he just logged off without saying gg. I shouldve known it was him when he said he "had no aka"
Reps.
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So why did he got permbanned from wgt? He got caught rigging AGAIN ?
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Aside from the fact that we dont want people like him on WGT(and 2 of the maps he rigged were WGT maps) he had several comments on his acc about intentional disconnecting before a loss.
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I hope you at least watched them Hot_Bid.
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OMG! How the fuck did I miss this thread seriously, tl.net members such good fellas. Nice work for all the investigators and wtf man :S
I dont feel no comfortable at all playing UMS maps anymore, I wonder if this shit happens in fucking pro scene? BISU > Savior 3-0 Mind > Bisu ? :S makes me wonder
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PM hotbid. I'm going to dl and watch them, i wish you SSed
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It is truely a thing of beauty how the bw community evolved to govern itself like this. xeris kicks ass.'
also foreverwar you 4-0 an a+ tvp player. you freaking rock ^_^
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On December 14 2007 15:40 kefkalives wrote:
It is truely a thing of beauty how the bw community evolved to govern itself like this. xeris kicks ass.'
also foreverwar you 4-0 an a+ tvp player. you freaking rock ^_^
Oh yes Or perhaps hes not really an A+ tvp player;)
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sweet build on peaks
im using it
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Sure but keep in mind a good T user will simply abandon the wall, bunk near their cc and rush to siege tanks. The build is mainly just to force him to go fast siege while you get a nexus and rush dts
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Belgium6771 Posts
On December 14 2007 15:04 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
OMG! How the fuck did I miss this thread seriously, tl.net members such good fellas. Nice work for all the investigators and wtf man :S
I dont feel no comfortable at all playing UMS maps anymore, I wonder if this shit happens in fucking pro scene? BISU > Savior 3-0 Mind > Bisu ? :S makes me wonder
lol
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On December 14 2007 06:48 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2007 06:42 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:LMAO. LightDark is lastshadow? I just got back to bw and played 5 tvps against him. I was P. I won all 5 easily. After each game he would make a big scene about how he "didn't know what was wrong" and go on and on about how good he was. Making sure to name drop the good players hed beaten. Until the last game that is, where he just logged off without saying gg. I shouldve known it was him when he said he "had no aka" Reps.
his TvP is really bad anyone that has played him on not rigged maps without him hacking or having someone on the phone telling him what the P is doing knows this.
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iNcontroL
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fuck I lost a PvT vs him >_< (Me P). I swear my P is good arrrrrrrrrggg
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did you go 1 base 6 gate dt speedlot goon?
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On December 15 2007 05:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
fuck I lost a PvT vs him >_< (Me P). I swear my P is good arrrrrrrrrggg
kid you so bad lawlz:-D
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On December 15 2007 05:08 IdrA wrote:
did you go 1 base 6 gate dt speedlot goon?
You speak as if there are other strats. ?_?
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holy shit i didn't know of this thread......
i think im gonna read all 23 pages, this is intense LOL.
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iNcontroL
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On December 15 2007 05:08 IdrA wrote:
did you go 1 base 6 gate dt speedlot goon?
No my problem was I did something I am not used to and like 1 gate expanded or something... could be considered fairly straight up. I was way out of my element.
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On December 15 2007 13:18 Quesadilla wrote:Reps of Shadow Rushing/himurakenshin buttsex - http://www.4chan.org
Why the hell would you post a link to 4chan?
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Cause I couldn't think of anything equally as queer. I just found out what that site was today. Very full or PRESSURE and ShadowRushing.
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What's 4chan? I'm afraid to find out after my friends told me 2girls1cup was a funny teen movie.
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On December 15 2007 14:21 EAGER-beaver wrote:
What's 4chan? I'm afraid to find out after my friends told me 2girls1cup was a funny teen movie.
4chan is the dumpshit of the internetz, the nemisis of TL. TL is the forum for the great genuises, and 4chan is the for the fucktards.
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On December 15 2007 14:21 EAGER-beaver wrote:
What's 4chan? I'm afraid to find out after my friends told me 2girls1cup was a funny teen movie.
A board where socially inept people can think that maybe they are funny after all, by making up retarded inside "jokes" and feel smart when users outside their little bubble don't "get" it.
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4chan is the rectal cavity of the internet. Don't bother going there.
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Btw everybody, 4chan got pwned by hackers.
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On December 15 2007 04:51 GoSuPlAyEr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2007 06:48 Hot_Bid wrote:On December 14 2007 06:42 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:LMAO. LightDark is lastshadow? I just got back to bw and played 5 tvps against him. I was P. I won all 5 easily. After each game he would make a big scene about how he "didn't know what was wrong" and go on and on about how good he was. Making sure to name drop the good players hed beaten. Until the last game that is, where he just logged off without saying gg. I shouldve known it was him when he said he "had no aka" Reps. his TvP is really bad anyone that has played him on not rigged maps without him hacking or having someone on the phone telling him what the P is doing knows this.
Agreed.
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On December 15 2007 16:13 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2007 14:21 EAGER-beaver wrote:
What's 4chan? I'm afraid to find out after my friends told me 2girls1cup was a funny teen movie. A board where socially inept people can think that maybe they are funny after all, by making up retarded inside "jokes" and feel smart when users outside their little bubble don't "get" it.
Sounds a lot like Tl in many cases.
Bisu build...*gag*
Although it was funny when Nony did it. But then of course, a bunch of lame ass people had to keep using it over...and over...and over and over. You'll note that Nony was the first to do it as a joke and he only did it ONCE.
Such things are not rare on this message board. While many members of the TL population range from intelligent to very intelligent' there are still many retards. But I guess that is to be expected.
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On December 15 2007 05:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
fuck I lost a PvT vs him >_< (Me P). I swear my P is good arrrrrrrrrggg
Don't worry, he probably cheated
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On December 14 2007 15:04 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
OMG! How the fuck did I miss this thread seriously, tl.net members such good fellas. Nice work for all the investigators and wtf man :S
I dont feel no comfortable at all playing UMS maps anymore, I wonder if this shit happens in fucking pro scene? BISU > Savior 3-0 Mind > Bisu ? :S makes me wonder
Well it did happend in TFT. Some map maker rigged maps since he thought tha games were too imba or something. Dont remember all the details about it.
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thedeadhaji
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On December 15 2007 22:13 Eatme wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2007 15:04 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
OMG! How the fuck did I miss this thread seriously, tl.net members such good fellas. Nice work for all the investigators and wtf man :S
I dont feel no comfortable at all playing UMS maps anymore, I wonder if this shit happens in fucking pro scene? BISU > Savior 3-0 Mind > Bisu ? :S makes me wonder
Well it did happend in TFT. Some map maker rigged maps since he thought tha games were too imba or something. Dont remember all the details about it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=37677#8
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=61234¤tpage=10#185
On March 12 2006 21:20 Ice_MY wrote:
MBC Map Scandals:
1) Star.Werra on BlueRose
- Star noticed something was not right when his ghoul speed research took so long to be upgraded (real upgrade time is 45seconds)
- Star decided to retire as MBC didnt want to offer him a regame or fix the map
- Eventually a regame was given on a different map but Star lost and retired
- The bug in the upgrade was due to a "glitch" and was not done intentionally
2) Freedom.WeRRa vs ReX.Romeo
- Freedom.WeRRa lost his semi final match to ReX.Romeo
- After that game, Dayfly and Moon decided to study the VODs when both of them noticed that Orc seemed exceptionally strong
- Suspecting something amiss Dayfly decided to get hold of the map and got his friend who was a programmer (READ: P-R-O-G-R-A-M-M-E-R) to unravel the code
- They found out that the maps had been intentionally programed to help Orc have an unfair advantage over Night Elf
- Dayfly went public with his findings and an investigation was launched, turns out that the map-maker did it "on purpose without knowledge of MBC Game". The reason was that "he felt a Night Elf vs Night Elf finals would be boring" (the winner of this match was supposed to face Moon)
- Mapmaker admits his mistake and is fired from MBC.
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On December 15 2007 22:44 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2007 22:13 Eatme wrote:On December 14 2007 15:04 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:
OMG! How the fuck did I miss this thread seriously, tl.net members such good fellas. Nice work for all the investigators and wtf man :S
I dont feel no comfortable at all playing UMS maps anymore, I wonder if this shit happens in fucking pro scene? BISU > Savior 3-0 Mind > Bisu ? :S makes me wonder
Well it did happend in TFT. Some map maker rigged maps since he thought tha games were too imba or something. Dont remember all the details about it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=37677#8http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=61234¤tpage=10#185Show nested quote +On March 12 2006 21:20 Ice_MY wrote:
MBC Map Scandals:
1) Star.Werra on BlueRose
- Star noticed something was not right when his ghoul speed research took so long to be upgraded (real upgrade time is 45seconds)
- Star decided to retire as MBC didnt want to offer him a regame or fix the map
- Eventually a regame was given on a different map but Star lost and retired
- The bug in the upgrade was due to a "glitch" and was not done intentionally
2) Freedom.WeRRa vs ReX.Romeo
- Freedom.WeRRa lost his semi final match to ReX.Romeo
- After that game, Dayfly and Moon decided to study the VODs when both of them noticed that Orc seemed exceptionally strong
- Suspecting something amiss Dayfly decided to get hold of the map and got his friend who was a programmer (READ: P-R-O-G-R-A-M-M-E-R) to unravel the code
- They found out that the maps had been intentionally programed to help Orc have an unfair advantage over Night Elf
- Dayfly went public with his findings and an investigation was launched, turns out that the map-maker did it "on purpose without knowledge of MBC Game". The reason was that "he felt a Night Elf vs Night Elf finals would be boring" (the winner of this match was supposed to face Moon)
- Mapmaker admits his mistake and is fired from MBC.
Lol, wow thats some seriously bad stuff right there. Didn't know that happened ;o.
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Another interesting "map bug" is the game at blizzcon between yellow and reach where the map allowed the reaver damage upgrade to be researched multiple (maybe infinite?) times. Reach upgraded it 3 times but still lost the game
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On December 15 2007 23:18 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Another interesting "map bug" is the game at blizzcon between yellow and reach where the map allowed the reaver damage upgrade to be researched multiple (maybe infinite?) times. Reach upgraded it 3 times but still lost the game
IIRC it was Mondragon, and he won the game anyway
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Itd be good to ask the commentators and progamers what they think of such scandals and if they ever think/worry about them taking place.
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k time to put this back on topic.
Lastshadow is a faggot.
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the rep vs idra i think he lowered the cost of a nexus to 200, maybe less. Jesus fuck, idra played amazing.
Is rexplorer or something the tool i suie to extract a map from a replay?
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On December 17 2007 10:25 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
the rep vs idra i think he lowered the cost of a nexus to 200, maybe less. Jesus fuck, idra played amazing.
Is rexplorer or something the tool i suie to extract a map from a replay?
Yes, you can also extract the map picture and many more things, you should try it out!
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YAY! QUICK! TO THE SEARCH FUNCTION!
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I went through his WGT replays, extracted the maps from his replays, and unlocked them. Nothing out of the ordinary -_-
Does this mean: HE ACTUALLY WON WITHOUT CHEATING? :O
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where can ! find the rep vs idra with 200 mineral nexus?? lolol I want to see that
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On December 15 2007 22:13 Eatme wrote:
Well it did happend in TFT. Some map maker rigged maps since he thought tha games were too imba or something. Dont remember all the details about it.
DayFly, an Orc, found out that MBC rigged the maps in favor of Orcs and in disfavor of Night Elf to reduce the number of NE players in the 2005 MBC Prime league. Elf wasn't really imba at the time (1.15 was Undead's patch with FoV and Mad[Q]FroG winning everything), but still Spirit_Moon went over the rig and won the damn thing with one of the most dominant televised performance in the history of pro gaming. A 25-0 televised winning streak, against the best of the best, is unheard of.
It was rigged only because Koreans much preffered the Night Elf race. Not because of balance, but because of the appeal it had on Koreans as a whole. 40% of Koreans played Night Elf, mostly because of Jang Jae Ho (Moon), who had the appeal Boxer had on SC players. Just think of how many Terrans there was at the height of Boxer's carrer. And how many Protoss there are at the height of Bisu's career now.
Back to the subject, this scandal, needless to say, killed WC3 in Korea. Freedom (yes, the one in Samsung Khan), who many thought would become the best Human player in a short amount of time, left WC3 for SC in disgust. Luckily China was just starting to play online in 2005, so the game was saved. And Europe is still very strong.
We are lucky it's LastShadow who rigged it and not a professionnal mapmaker paid by MBC, and ordered by MBC to do this.
Let's just say the WC3 population had a lot of respect for DayFly after this, and everybody was saddened when he left for his military service.
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I didn't even know you could play on a rigged map... <_<
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how is it possible that freedom was one of the best progamers in wc3 and now one of the better progamers for sc, is he really a rts genius or something
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He's one of the better progamers in SC? He's average at best.
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Freedom's a good SC player, but in pro circles, I doubt he's even top 50.
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Kau
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Edit: Wrong thread, was suppose to put this in Clan Art Thread T_T sorry!
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On December 17 2007 16:47 zulu_nation8 wrote:
how is it possible that freedom was one of the best progamers in wc3 and now one of the better progamers for sc, is he really a rts genius or something
the skills you learn from one rts carry over between games a little. freedom isn't a unique case either, for instance, midas started out as a kingdom under fire progamer (some korean RTS) before changing to starcraft. i believe elky made 4th in an osl and 2nd simultaneously in one of the early wc3 starleagues as well
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i know the midas kingdom under fire story however rts gameplay is much more advanced nowadays
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On December 18 2007 02:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i know the midas kingdom under fire story however rts gameplay is much more advanced nowadays
Why do you say that?
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well starcraft certainly is and it just seems logical that the general level of play of a game rises as more and more people play it for a longer and longer time
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Calgary25980 Posts
Oh okay I didn't know you were talking about specific games. I thought you were just talking about RTS in general.
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i have no idea whats happening right now
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On December 17 2007 16:47 zulu_nation8 wrote:
how is it possible that freedom was one of the best progamers in wc3 and now one of the better progamers for sc, is he really a rts genius or something
He wasn't at the top already. Insomnia, Miou, ToD and Sky were better than him at the time, but he was a rising star.
His current SC level is about what his WC3 level was when he left. A 50% player in proleagues.
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