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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3356 Posts
August 11 2024 09:59 GMT
#101
12T 9P 7Z in the first SSL.

Terran never lack talents. And that's still without the big one coming back.

Protoss, always the same guys carrying the race until they're a 90 years old.

Zerg once again in a bad state as an ensemble. But they have THE ZERG.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9320 Posts
August 11 2024 11:06 GMT
#102
who is making these groups ? is it 910 ?
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8707 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-11 11:52:11
August 11 2024 11:50 GMT
#103
On August 11 2024 16:15 TMNT wrote:
Sea beat Horang2 in their rigged group (again) to qualify for ASL. Horang2's play is sus af. It was like this last season as well: they put Sea on one side of the bracket with only amateurs to beat, and put Horang2 on the other side and have him clear out all the semi-notable names, then lose to Sea in the finals.


No offense, but to me this sounds a bit too conspiratorial. The brackets are cleary rigged and imho it would be much better if they were transparent about how they make them. However, I don't get why they would put in extra effort for Sea specifically, especially the notion of match-fixing by Horang2. Can you elaborate or back up your claim?

I'm really glad to see Scan make it through and also a new face with NoeL. I hope he can keep his nerves in the Ro24 because I feel like this is what always gets the newcomers.
Soft_General_5023
Profile Joined December 2023
150 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-11 12:33:57
August 11 2024 12:29 GMT
#104
is there a final list who made it somewhere?

nvm found it:

liquipedia.net
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1133 Posts
August 11 2024 12:30 GMT
#105
Never been a fan of Sea, but he is playing quite well.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3356 Posts
August 11 2024 13:01 GMT
#106
On August 11 2024 20:50 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2024 16:15 TMNT wrote:
Sea beat Horang2 in their rigged group (again) to qualify for ASL. Horang2's play is sus af. It was like this last season as well: they put Sea on one side of the bracket with only amateurs to beat, and put Horang2 on the other side and have him clear out all the semi-notable names, then lose to Sea in the finals.


No offense, but to me this sounds a bit too conspiratorial. The brackets are cleary rigged and imho it would be much better if they were transparent about how they make them. However, I don't get why they would put in extra effort for Sea specifically, especially the notion of match-fixing by Horang2. Can you elaborate or back up your claim?

I'm really glad to see Scan make it through and also a new face with NoeL. I hope he can keep his nerves in the Ro24 because I feel like this is what always gets the newcomers.

Because it has been THREE season in a row now that Sea repeatedly beat Horang2 in the finals of day 2. And in all three times the Horang2 side of the bracket is the more difficult one, while Sea faced almost no notable player in his side.

Horang2 is also the better player judging from his online play and he also practiced more, sometimes getting in the top 10 ladder. But at the same time he's also the one who cares less about getting into ASL while Sea is kind of Afreeca's cash cow. Sea Britney and Terror are the 3 big Afreeca streamers who are also ex-pros, so getting them into ASL generates viewers, narratives and therefore, money. But let's be real only Sea has the ability to qualify out of them 3, so there it is.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1133 Posts
August 11 2024 13:29 GMT
#107
Lets be fair. Sea is considered inactive, and his multitasking and reactivity shows just that. But the guy is skilled, and hes smart. He has decent macro and his decision making are fast and often correct. From my perspective, if he practice between the qualifiers and the RO28, which I assume he will, he has some small chances of getting to the RO16
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-11 14:40:42
August 11 2024 14:38 GMT
#108
Hell yeah, I'm glad to see Scan and especially Motive - I'm expecting a lot from this guy.
Disappointed to see rigged results where Sea squeezes once again and against same protoss lol, maybe they think this way he will attract viewership.
No FlaSh really bummer, this year gonna pass without him once again...
And BTW, are they really going to call SSL Autumun 2024, SSL Spring 2025 from now on? That sucks compared we had ASL with numbers.
sunbeams are never made like me...
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4287 Posts
August 11 2024 15:18 GMT
#109
On August 11 2024 23:38 outscar wrote:
Hell yeah, I'm glad to see Scan and especially Motive - I'm expecting a lot from this guy.
Disappointed to see rigged results where Sea squeezes once again and against same protoss lol, maybe they think this way he will attract viewership.
No FlaSh really bummer, this year gonna pass without him once again...
And BTW, are they really going to call SSL Autumun 2024, SSL Spring 2025 from now on? That sucks compared we had ASL with numbers.

This is why it will always be ASL to me

ASL Season 18 qualifiers just finished! Now waiting for the main tournament to start.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9320 Posts
August 11 2024 16:02 GMT
#110
On August 12 2024 00:18 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2024 23:38 outscar wrote:
Hell yeah, I'm glad to see Scan and especially Motive - I'm expecting a lot from this guy.
Disappointed to see rigged results where Sea squeezes once again and against same protoss lol, maybe they think this way he will attract viewership.
No FlaSh really bummer, this year gonna pass without him once again...
And BTW, are they really going to call SSL Autumun 2024, SSL Spring 2025 from now on? That sucks compared we had ASL with numbers.

This is why it will always be ASL to me

ASL Season 18 qualifiers just finished! Now waiting for the main tournament to start.

My thought also.. we can call it ASL 18
Also, let's see the new id of Rush

ASL18ChampRush
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3557 Posts
August 11 2024 16:05 GMT
#111
Horang2 has always been very shaky PvT. So while the draw itself is hella sus, i don't think he would matchfix. Would need to see the actual games but it s not unreasonable to expect sea to just win tvp vs horang2
Horang2 fan
End1ess
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada77 Posts
August 11 2024 16:26 GMT
#112
almost half Terran in RO24. are they going to put 2t+p+z in each bracket or we will see 4t dog fight?
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria387 Posts
August 11 2024 16:27 GMT
#113
No Flash = no fun.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8178 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-11 16:35:02
August 11 2024 16:32 GMT
#114
Sad to see killer not make it, he looked to be training really hard. Glad to see so many new and younger faces though. Going to be a tough season for Zergs with this map pool :\
Free Palestine
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1133 Posts
August 11 2024 16:38 GMT
#115
YSC , free, Sea, Action and sSak are all in pretty bad form at the moment. I hope they practice and step up their game in the following weeks.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1313 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-11 22:24:18
August 11 2024 22:10 GMT
#116
On August 12 2024 01:38 TornadoSteve wrote:
YSC , free, Sea, Action and sSak are all in pretty bad form at the moment. I hope they practice and step up their game in the following weeks.


Action in a slump is still the best out of those 5 players. action > ssak > free > sea/ysc
Action and Ssak play A LOT. Despite playing a lot they are still in a slump. Maybe they are in a slump because they play too much.

also quick look at who are currently the best performers on ELOBOARD rankings:
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[image loading]


soulkey > JyJ > Stork > snow > bisu > light > jaedong > speed > hero > best > mini > sacsri > rush > sharp > etc

https://eloboard.com/men/bbs/board.php?bo_table=rank_list
JDON MY SOUL!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10564 Posts
August 11 2024 22:13 GMT
#117
Scan!!!!!!! Excited to see him again in this tournament.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8178 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-11 23:38:12
August 11 2024 23:37 GMT
#118
Also just realized flash decided not to participate even though he could have qualified easily (definitely could make Ro8 at least, but iffy on going past that in current form it seems?). Maybe he only wants to return if he knows for sure his skill level is good enough to win?
Free Palestine
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8178 Posts
August 11 2024 23:43 GMT
#119
On August 12 2024 01:26 End1ess wrote:
almost half Terran in RO24. are they going to put 2t+p+z in each bracket or we will see 4t dog fight?


I think Ro24 groups are drawn to split up players by "rank" (not sure if they ONLY use ASL ranking or also take into account other tournaments/matches). So they'll do like a top tier player, 2 mid tier, and 1 bottom tier per group generally. Don't think they factor race that much if at all, but generally it spreads out well.
Free Palestine
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1133 Posts
August 12 2024 02:19 GMT
#120
On August 12 2024 08:43 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2024 01:26 End1ess wrote:
almost half Terran in RO24. are they going to put 2t+p+z in each bracket or we will see 4t dog fight?


I think Ro24 groups are drawn to split up players by "rank" (not sure if they ONLY use ASL ranking or also take into account other tournaments/matches). So they'll do like a top tier player, 2 mid tier, and 1 bottom tier per group generally. Don't think they factor race that much if at all, but generally it spreads out well.


Exactly

Something like
T1 Light / Rain / Bisu / ZerO / Mini / Rush
T2 JyJ / sOrry / Action / Shine / Mind / BeSt
T3 barracks / Stork / Jaedong / Sacsri / sSak / Sea
T4 Motive / Scan / YSC / NoeL / free / Speed
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