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prion_
Profile Joined September 2022
79 Posts
January 25 2024 16:51 GMT
#21
On January 25 2024 23:48 Comedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2024 23:02 Branch.AUT wrote:
On January 25 2024 04:12 outscar wrote:
No sign of FlaSh still? Not good.

I hope he stays away.
A) because the tournament is no fun, when you know whos going to win.
B) people who use their influence to advertise crypto pump+dump scams, don't deserve to have public spotlight.


the ultimate god gamer having to quit this game because of a very stupid mistake, over a 20 year legacy of positive behaviour would just be a massive loss to the scene.

Let him stay away a year or two and then return.



He could definitely come back, he'd just have to deal with people yelling at him for a bit and apologizing like Bisu.
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
January 25 2024 19:59 GMT
#22
On January 26 2024 01:51 prion_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2024 23:48 Comedy wrote:
On January 25 2024 23:02 Branch.AUT wrote:
On January 25 2024 04:12 outscar wrote:
No sign of FlaSh still? Not good.

I hope he stays away.
A) because the tournament is no fun, when you know whos going to win.
B) people who use their influence to advertise crypto pump+dump scams, don't deserve to have public spotlight.


the ultimate god gamer having to quit this game because of a very stupid mistake, over a 20 year legacy of positive behaviour would just be a massive loss to the scene.

Let him stay away a year or two and then return.



He could definitely come back, he'd just have to deal with people yelling at him for a bit and apologizing like Bisu.

Choices matter. In real life, just like in starcraft. You can play perfectly for 20 minutes, and then still get rolled if your recall defense isn't on point.
20 years of good behaviour (half of which spent on a really very short kespa leash) doesn't matter, if you turn out to be a money grubbing bizxh.
He chose to be a part of it.
Now hes taking the consequences like a man.
I respect flash for this, as long as he stays away.
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States717 Posts
January 25 2024 21:55 GMT
#23
On January 26 2024 04:59 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2024 01:51 prion_ wrote:
On January 25 2024 23:48 Comedy wrote:
On January 25 2024 23:02 Branch.AUT wrote:
On January 25 2024 04:12 outscar wrote:
No sign of FlaSh still? Not good.

I hope he stays away.
A) because the tournament is no fun, when you know whos going to win.
B) people who use their influence to advertise crypto pump+dump scams, don't deserve to have public spotlight.


the ultimate god gamer having to quit this game because of a very stupid mistake, over a 20 year legacy of positive behaviour would just be a massive loss to the scene.

Let him stay away a year or two and then return.



He could definitely come back, he'd just have to deal with people yelling at him for a bit and apologizing like Bisu.

Choices matter. In real life, just like in starcraft. You can play perfectly for 20 minutes, and then still get rolled if your recall defense isn't on point.
20 years of good behaviour (half of which spent on a really very short kespa leash) doesn't matter, if you turn out to be a money grubbing bizxh.
He chose to be a part of it.
Now hes taking the consequences like a man.
I respect flash for this, as long as he stays away.


The thing is, cryptocurrency is pretty fundamentally a scheme people use to get rich quick - including the people who invest in it. If they then get mad because they didn't get rich, but instead made someone else rich... QQ for me and I'll drink some tears.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
orangeshines
Profile Joined September 2008
United Kingdom202 Posts
January 26 2024 08:15 GMT
#24
Wait what did Flash do? Something bad how did I miss this? Do you have any links?
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria489 Posts
January 26 2024 10:50 GMT
#25
On January 26 2024 17:15 orangeshines wrote:
Wait what did Flash do? Something bad how did I miss this? Do you have any links?


Forum search is your friend, here is all the info you will probably need FlaSh's Crypto Scandal TL thread
music is the best thing in the world
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria489 Posts
January 26 2024 10:54 GMT
#26
On January 26 2024 19:50 BulgarianToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2024 17:15 orangeshines wrote:
Wait what did Flash do? Something bad how did I miss this? Do you have any links?


Forum search is your friend, here is all the info you will probably need FlaSh's Crypto Scandal TL thread


PS additional info and update on the situation The uncertainty behind FlaSh's Return; In-depth
music is the best thing in the world
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1053 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-01-26 13:06:59
January 26 2024 12:31 GMT
#27
On January 25 2024 19:43 ImbaTosS wrote:
I'll look forward to this!

It confuses me how people still get hyped for Bisu. To me he looks totally out of ideas and like he belongs in RO16, and not further.

In online play he is second to Snow and Mini. Sometimes on Par for short periods of time. If Bisu can bring his online peaks to offline he has a legitimate chance. I feel like he stopped capitalizing on good opportunities in offline.

On that same note. If SnOw can bring his online form he again is the favorite. But past events have shown he can rarely bring that form to ASL.

Snow is in fact so good in online that he has the current record for highest ELO rating since they started tracking in remastered Era. For the month of January he has 87W/23L vs top pros.

http://eloboard.com/men/bbs/board.php?bo_table=rank_list
JDON MY SOUL!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3098 Posts
January 26 2024 12:54 GMT
#28
Bisu stopped caring a while ago. The last time he actually tried hard was the season he came back from the crypto scandal and got 3rd. Since then he and ironically, Soulkey, are the pros with the least games played. Regularly taking 1-2 month breaks. Even hinted a couple of times that he wouldn't play ASL. Don't think he will do anything this season (if he plays).
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6789 Posts
January 26 2024 16:49 GMT
#29
I legit think Snow could have won 3 ASLs by now with those skills. But sometimes skill is not enough.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3098 Posts
January 26 2024 16:56 GMT
#30
Actually he wasn't this good a player when he reached the finals in season 5 and 8. Funny that since then, he's become much stronger but hasn't gone past Ro8.
Game[GTB]
Profile Joined November 2020
Canada47 Posts
January 26 2024 22:02 GMT
#31
Flash is so yesterday (5 years ago).. can you all move on to someone else please?
Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China186 Posts
January 27 2024 18:01 GMT
#32
On January 27 2024 07:02 Game[GTB] wrote:
Flash is so yesterday (5 years ago).. can you all move on to someone else please?

Or half of yesterday (2.5 years)
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
January 30 2024 06:30 GMT
#33
On January 25 2024 23:02 Branch.AUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2024 04:12 outscar wrote:
No sign of FlaSh still? Not good.

I hope he stays away.
A) because the tournament is no fun, when you know whos going to win.
B) people who use their influence to advertise crypto pump+dump scams, don't deserve to have public spotlight.


Tournament is no fun either when the final boss isn't there to raise the standard of play.

I'm of the opinion that there are still plenty of people who want to watch him play, and a great way to repent is to dedicate himself to pleasing his remaining fanbase by playing BW instead of hiding forever. I imagine that's what JD would do, considering that's what he's doing right now.
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
January 30 2024 08:46 GMT
#34
firebathero will qualify and crush everyone with a manner CC on each game.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States717 Posts
January 31 2024 00:48 GMT
#35
On January 25 2024 23:48 Comedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2024 23:02 Branch.AUT wrote:
On January 25 2024 04:12 outscar wrote:
No sign of FlaSh still? Not good.

I hope he stays away.
A) because the tournament is no fun, when you know whos going to win.
B) people who use their influence to advertise crypto pump+dump scams, don't deserve to have public spotlight.


the ultimate god gamer having to quit this game because of a very stupid mistake, over a 20 year legacy of positive behaviour would just be a massive loss to the scene.

Let him stay away a year or two and then return.


I don't need to wait. God Gamer is above reproach.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey639 Posts
January 31 2024 01:50 GMT
#36
Have you watched the wildcard games? Two of my favourite players from last season were playing each other. I hope they make it to the finals.
Turrican
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
January 31 2024 03:35 GMT
#37
man please get rid of neo dark origin lol
POGGERS
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey745 Posts
January 31 2024 08:11 GMT
#38
On January 31 2024 12:35 konadora wrote:
man please get rid of neo dark origin lol

Why?
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4228 Posts
January 31 2024 13:11 GMT
#39
On January 31 2024 12:35 konadora wrote:
man please get rid of neo dark origin lol

seriously though.. out of all the maps they could have used again they picked the most boring one.. bizarre.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 31 2024 13:30 GMT
#40
On January 27 2024 01:49 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
I legit think Snow could have won 3 ASLs by now with those skills. But sometimes skill is not enough.

If he can manage to dodge Z rivals he is a strong contender. But a Starleague is a completely different beast compared to Proleague Team play.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
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