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On March 09 2023 17:15 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2023 15:34 MeSaber wrote:
Without capitalism everyone would be sitting on their asses doing nothing. It incentivize creativity and innovation.
I... I'm not going to even attempt to argue with this but this is just completely wrong.
They are the top 0.0001% of the field who have willing fans giving them money to see entertainment in return
If this is something you see wrong with capitalism, you are targetting something way off. You arent seeing exploitation of another worker or whatever you are complaining about, these guys are small in overall picture. You are seeing entertainers getting paid from willing fans who want their product.
I really cant imagine why you have problem with it when these guys are smal players overall. I mean if you criticize flash on his coin stuff you have valid ground but getting paid from fans who want this from vast pool of viewers on #1 streamed game on afreeca? Thats something wrong with captitalism? Come on Qikz. That is ridiculous. You are just lashing out at anything at this point
Anyway im sure a lot of top 0.001% of their field regardless of video game or streaming or not gets paid well. If you have problem with people with merits getting paid qikz, seems unfair aint it?
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On March 11 2023 04:38 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2023 17:15 Qikz wrote:On March 09 2023 15:34 MeSaber wrote:
Without capitalism everyone would be sitting on their asses doing nothing. It incentivize creativity and innovation.
I... I'm not going to even attempt to argue with this but this is just completely wrong. They are the top 0.0001% of the field who have willing fans giving them money to see entertainment in return If this is something you see wrong with capitalism, you are targetting something way off. You arent seeing exploitation of another worker or whatever you are complaining about, these guys are small in overall picture. You are seeing entertainers getting paid from willing fans who want their product. I really cant imagine why you have problem with it when these guys are smal players overall. I mean if you criticize flash on his coin stuff you have valid ground but getting paid from fans who want this from vast pool of viewers on #1 streamed game on afreeca? Thats something wrong with captitalism? Come on Qikz. That is ridiculous. You are just lashing out at anything at this point Anyway im sure a lot of top 0.001% of their field regardless of video game or streaming or not gets paid well. If you have problem with people with merits getting paid qikz, seems unfair aint it?
What world do you live in?
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On March 11 2023 06:05 A.Alm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2023 04:38 jinjin5000 wrote:On March 09 2023 17:15 Qikz wrote:On March 09 2023 15:34 MeSaber wrote:
Without capitalism everyone would be sitting on their asses doing nothing. It incentivize creativity and innovation.
I... I'm not going to even attempt to argue with this but this is just completely wrong. They are the top 0.0001% of the field who have willing fans giving them money to see entertainment in return If this is something you see wrong with capitalism, you are targetting something way off. You arent seeing exploitation of another worker or whatever you are complaining about, these guys are small in overall picture. You are seeing entertainers getting paid from willing fans who want their product. I really cant imagine why you have problem with it when these guys are smal players overall. I mean if you criticize flash on his coin stuff you have valid ground but getting paid from fans who want this from vast pool of viewers on #1 streamed game on afreeca? Thats something wrong with captitalism? Come on Qikz. That is ridiculous. You are just lashing out at anything at this point Anyway im sure a lot of top 0.001% of their field regardless of video game or streaming or not gets paid well. If you have problem with people with merits getting paid qikz, seems unfair aint it? What world do you live in?
Elaborate?
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streamers are providing entertainment in the similar vein like actors/comedians/sports athletes. not many of them to be found off the streets unlike average office workers so they are paid handsomely by the market as dictated by supply and demand. maybe the spiteful boomer salarymen here have to update their world view maybe
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thedeadhaji
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It’s basically price segmentation and a mechanism to reveal individuals’ different levels of willingness to pay for a particular product.
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streamers provide a product people are willing to throw money at. That's as simple as it gets.
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I'm also surprised by the figures, but in a good way. This is a fine example why the best Korean players left sc2 and revived the brood war scene. People in Korea want to watch brood war more and they want to watch these players produce awesome games (along with Britney walking randomly on the streets). I get Qikz's comment too, it's a bit hard to understand how to successfully entertain to make such a living, but it's a result of someone's unique effort. Nice presentation of the information btw, thank you!
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On March 10 2023 22:04 MeSaber wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2023 17:15 Qikz wrote:On March 09 2023 15:34 MeSaber wrote:
Without capitalism everyone would be sitting on their asses doing nothing. It incentivize creativity and innovation.
I... I'm not going to even attempt to argue with this but this is just completely wrong. Good argument.
You didn't make a reasonable argument in the first place. Money was literally invented to make trading easier, so clearly before money people were already working and not sitting on their asses.
A side effect of money is excessive accumulation, without money it would not be possible for a streamer to trade their entertainment for so much stuff, like a single person wouldn't give you a house just for being fun to watch, but money allows that.
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I actually want to argue that the top pros in BroodWar deserve better. I mean you are the top top in a very hard game, and to be on that level for long is just amazing and harsh on the body and mind. Also some of them i bet are funny and just interesting to watch and listen to(sorry i do not understand korean).
I really like the fact that they get "good" money for their efforts. Do not understand the hate(if its hate?). Its amazing to me. I couldnt even dream about this when i was playing broodwar in the 90s. I mean the game is still alive and kicking lol...
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