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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25057 Posts
November 12 2021 15:58 GMT
#21
Great content as ever, who does Snow’s subs or is it the man himself?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-12 16:27:59
November 12 2021 16:24 GMT
#22
On November 13 2021 00:46 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
not really sure where people are getting this notion that fantasy dislikes or doesn't care about bw.

he says multiple times in the video that he does, still plays the game, and heavily considered returning.

what he really doesn't care for is being a streamer rather than a pro-gamer (which he's very proud of), and having to please an audience rather than perform at a high level.

kinda easy to see why when people clearly haven't bothered to pay attention


Right, that's why he streamed SC2 exclusively for 1.5 years after coming back from army. Because he hates streaming and only loves the 3 tournaments Blizzard is paying Afreeca to host every year.
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
518 Posts
November 12 2021 16:55 GMT
#23
there’s a difference in streaming SC2 while practicing on the ladder where most viewers are english speakers and don’t interact with the steamer and being a BJ on afreeca and having to continually be friends and outspoken to big donors while making interactive content

is it so unbelievable to take fantasy at his word when he says he still cares? don’t be so bitter
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1179 Posts
November 12 2021 16:58 GMT
#24
Bitter about what?

The situation is pretty clear: He wanted to stream SC2 full-time and participate in tournaments and both of those endeavors were not sustainable enough so he had to switch to a real job.

That's the gist of it.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria3982 Posts
November 12 2021 17:19 GMT
#25
Lets be real: other people know better what goes on in Fantasy's head than he does himself. He can't possibly understand his own motivations and decisions all too well. So lets not put too much weight on his words, we should instead make up our own version of him in our heads.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
November 12 2021 18:28 GMT
#26
I'll never, ever forget the 2011 OSL finals between him and JangBi.. man that was an awesome series.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1419 Posts
November 12 2021 20:50 GMT
#27
part 2

zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary951 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-13 02:25:19
November 13 2021 02:23 GMT
#28
small Fantasy replay pack from 2017:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/btwxdssf0g6jwes/Fantasy 2017.rar/file
- including a game against Bonyth
- including sick turn-arounds
- including Fantasy GG timing
agentzimp
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25057 Posts
November 13 2021 03:12 GMT
#29
It’s good to know Fantasy didn’t even have to sit this interview as TL posters have a better insight into his motivations than he does…
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary951 Posts
November 13 2021 03:22 GMT
#30
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agentzimp
TL+ Member
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
November 13 2021 15:58 GMT
#31
On November 13 2021 12:22 zimp wrote:
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cute :3
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1183 Posts
November 15 2021 01:23 GMT
#32
On November 12 2021 09:43 outscar wrote:
Thx for translation but I didn't really like FanTaSy's avoiding unclear answers but I lost it completely when he said he could beat Larva - a player who never abandoned BW for SC2 and eventually became an ASL champion. Fuck off Fanta, you were off for 10 years and you think you can beat pros who are post KeSPA pros that grind thousand games and gave everything? I didn't miss you.

Larva has a beautiful wife, a beautiful child, and an ASL Championship. Fantasy has crying complex. I'm sure larva doesn't need to be defended. But thanks for standing up for the champ
Flash should fear Sacsri
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25057 Posts
November 15 2021 01:34 GMT
#33
On November 15 2021 10:23 art_of_turtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2021 09:43 outscar wrote:
Thx for translation but I didn't really like FanTaSy's avoiding unclear answers but I lost it completely when he said he could beat Larva - a player who never abandoned BW for SC2 and eventually became an ASL champion. Fuck off Fanta, you were off for 10 years and you think you can beat pros who are post KeSPA pros that grind thousand games and gave everything? I didn't miss you.

Larva has a beautiful wife, a beautiful child, and an ASL Championship. Fantasy has crying complex. I'm sure larva doesn't need to be defended. But thanks for standing up for the champ

How do you get Fantasy having a ‘crying complex’ from that?

Guy was a great BW player, wanted to stretch himself into a new game in SC2, is enjoying what he’s doing now, and doesn’t want to be a BJ for the same reasons I’d never want to be a BJ (if I had the skills)

Seems pretty happy with his lot, I don’t think one, probably jokey comment makes out that he’s some moaner who thinks he’d be smacking people around in BW and is jealous of the money they’re making or whatever, given everything else he said
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3370 Posts
November 15 2021 02:03 GMT
#34
On November 13 2021 03:28 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
I'll never, ever forget the 2011 OSL finals between him and JangBi.. man that was an awesome series.

Amen
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4721 Posts
November 16 2021 08:04 GMT
#35
I only watched part one. That was a very enjoyable, reflective interview. He really seems like an extremely smart guy.

In regard to SC2, BW, being a Streamer and whatever path he choose, I must assume economic pressure plays a major role how to continue. Most of them played games all their lives, so what do you do after military service is over and need to make a living. I assume some of them simply are trapped in a way.

Kind of a tangent, but I am always thankful when my favorite BW players managed to move on and are not stuck in this 'retirement'-scene forever.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria408 Posts
November 17 2021 17:52 GMT
#36
Since I'm in no position to judge Fantasy on his life choices, I'd say I'm perfectly fine with whatever. The interview was nicely done and it's amazing Snow's going through the effort of providing us, foreigners, with valuable insight.
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
November 18 2021 04:59 GMT
#37
I hated Fantasy so much back in the day. Because he was a great player and I was a KT fan. ^^

Years later I really admire his style and innovations. He was seriously fun to watch. And talented. GG
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
November 18 2021 07:23 GMT
#38
On November 15 2021 10:23 art_of_turtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2021 09:43 outscar wrote:
Thx for translation but I didn't really like FanTaSy's avoiding unclear answers but I lost it completely when he said he could beat Larva - a player who never abandoned BW for SC2 and eventually became an ASL champion. Fuck off Fanta, you were off for 10 years and you think you can beat pros who are post KeSPA pros that grind thousand games and gave everything? I didn't miss you.

Larva has a beautiful wife, a beautiful child, and an ASL Championship. Fantasy has crying complex. I'm sure larva doesn't need to be defended. But thanks for standing up for the champ


Yeah I'd really love for Fantasy to return and prove himself but I was quite irritated at that statement. Larva of all people? Maybe Fantasy though that Larva is still the same dishwasher he was. Maybe Fantasy didn't get the memo that Larva is now an ASL champion? Of all the zergs to name, he had to pick the previous champion hahahaha. That said, I'd be very impressed if he is able to prove his point.

On November 13 2021 02:19 Magic Powers wrote:
Lets be real: other people know better what goes on in Fantasy's head than he does himself. He can't possibly understand his own motivations and decisions all too well. So lets not put too much weight on his words, we should instead make up our own version of him in our heads.


hahahahahahahhaha
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-18 09:22:01
November 18 2021 09:19 GMT
#39
On November 18 2021 16:23 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2021 10:23 art_of_turtle wrote:
On November 12 2021 09:43 outscar wrote:
Thx for translation but I didn't really like FanTaSy's avoiding unclear answers but I lost it completely when he said he could beat Larva - a player who never abandoned BW for SC2 and eventually became an ASL champion. Fuck off Fanta, you were off for 10 years and you think you can beat pros who are post KeSPA pros that grind thousand games and gave everything? I didn't miss you.

Larva has a beautiful wife, a beautiful child, and an ASL Championship. Fantasy has crying complex. I'm sure larva doesn't need to be defended. But thanks for standing up for the champ


Yeah I'd really love for Fantasy to return and prove himself but I was quite irritated at that statement. Larva of all people? Maybe Fantasy though that Larva is still the same dishwasher he was. Maybe Fantasy didn't get the memo that Larva is now an ASL champion? Of all the zergs to name, he had to pick the previous champion hahahaha. That said, I'd be very impressed if he is able to prove his point.

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2021 02:19 Magic Powers wrote:
Lets be real: other people know better what goes on in Fantasy's head than he does himself. He can't possibly understand his own motivations and decisions all too well. So lets not put too much weight on his words, we should instead make up our own version of him in our heads.


hahahahahahahhaha


Here’s a crazy thought.

Maybe Fantasy knows Larva is an ASL champion (really crazy thought, I know).

Maybe Fantasy is happy for Larva, his friend and former teammate.

Maybe Fantasy made that joke as a way of playfully paying respect to Larva, someone who used to be way worse than Fantasy, but has now climbed all the way to the top.

Making fun of a B-teamer you’re clearly better than is low class. But making fun of someone who used to be worse than you, but is now an equal, is a way of showing respect. A way of showing endearment, and like how a sign of genuine friendship between people is that they can poke fun at each other.

Of course I could be wrong. We’re all just speculating on what someone meant. Through the lens of a *translation* no less.

But if you’re going to speculate, how about assuming positive intent instead of jumping to an interpretation that you find “irritating”? Especially when, by all accounts, Fantasy has always been a classy, thoughtful person.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12790 Posts
November 18 2021 11:51 GMT
#40
On November 13 2021 00:46 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
not really sure where people are getting this notion that fantasy dislikes or doesn't care about bw.

he says multiple times in the video that he does, still plays the game, and heavily considered returning.

what he really doesn't care for is being a streamer rather than a pro-gamer (which he's very proud of), and having to please an audience rather than perform at a high level.

kinda easy to see why when people clearly haven't bothered to pay attention

Legacy over money, that's the mindset of a champion
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