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On August 02 2007 22:14 MorningWood wrote:
LMFAO, the only reason ppl think odin[fou] beats progamers is because he says it himself. almost 100% of everything that comes out of his mouth is complete bullshit, he DOES NOT beat pros on a consistent basis, no matter what he proclaims...
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On August 02 2007 19:53 lastshadow wrote:
Tier 1
USA
IdrA - 9, his tvp/tvz is pure amazement, however vs progamers I don't think he would succeed due to his style of play. However his TvZ can/would beat progamers.
Nony - 7, his PvT is ok, however it always involves Carriers, I don't think he would last long enough vs a progamer to get them though. However his 300 apm is also something shining
Skew - 8, granted his TvZ is good, I've seen that his tvt/tvp arent too great. Vs a Progamer his only hope is TvZ
LaStGosu - 8 , With his good multitask/macro, he has proven he could stand a chance. However vs Z He is bad, so vs progamers his only hope is ZvsP.
DAy[9] - 6, he doesn't take the game serious enough (leaving wcg vs nony because he didn't want to play?) If he took it serious / played enough, then maybe he could succeed vs a progamer with 30% chance of win.
Odin[fOu] - 9, This man has proven to have one of the best / the most ridiculous macro outside Korea. His TvP is so powerful along with his PvT. He has beaten several progamers before, and IMO has the best chance of beating one, as far as USA player go. If not, Him/IdrA/Assem are best hands down. However is TvZ(granted good) is what gives him a 9.
Artosis - 6, His TvT isnt too impresive, his TvP is turtle style, 1-1 move out, and his TvZ is something to not smile about. Granted he has thrown down several achievements, he is no where near ready to compete with progamers.
ChOseN[LiGhT] - 7, His ZvsP is really strong, his ZvT is decent, and I don't know about his ZvZ, however he is one of the few rising stars with little accomplishments, not good enough to take on a pro yet though.
Slog4[pG] - 7, His PvT is good, along with his good macro and apm ( 300 - 350 ), However this protoss isn't strong enough PvZ to compete at pro level. His PvP is also very strong.
Assem - 9, Due to his inactive play, Assem can not yet re-clench the best player in the USA, but his tvp/tvz/tvt are always going strong and usually a forced to be reckoned with. Granted Assem did bad in Korea, at least he made it, and that is something only about 1% of Foreigners can say. If he came back to progame, then obviously a 10.
G5 - 8, he has proven he can win, but Not yet ready for his korean dream.
ToT)Incontrol( - 8, Incontrol has shown pretty good games / results over the past. But sometimes his macro can lack. His ZvZ is quite strong, along with ZvsP. However his ZvT being his worst m/u would limit his play for korean pro scene (so many T's). With more practice he can more up higher.
Canada
Testie - 10, Testie has proven time and time again that he is the best foreigner. However even inactive he still holds true to his ability, and has proven that he CAN beat progamers. And even plays Random ( all 3 races ) better than most foreigners can their own.
GiYom - 10, If he were ever to come back, Foreigners would meet the new best foreigner.
Smuft - 8, He is very strong protoss and random, however he hasn't proven enough to clench a 9 or a 10.
Oldy - 8, He loses 50/50 to semi-pro koreans and gets slaughtered vs Pros. However his skill is not to go unnoticed.
TT1 - 8 , Granted he has had his "on-fire" streaks, it isn't enough to bump him past oldy or smuft. Also his ex-hacks doesn't help.
Schism[LiGhT] - 8 , This Terran is unknown fairly, and has yet to try to beat top foreigners from what I can tell. Only time will tell with his one.
Iefnjai - 9, One of the best canadians, proving that he can succeed vs top foreigners. Amazing PvT / PvZ.
XiaOzi - 8, Haven't seen too much from him lately. So I can't say/give him much.
That's about it. Only a few [light] members made it, since many of them only barely exceed B+. They aren't anywhere near ready to compete with top-foreigners or for that matter koreans.
Tier 2 ( all rating will be 1-10 for Tier 2 status, 10 being a possible tier 1)
USA
All Light Members- 8, Team Light is Tier 2 in itself.
b]NeO)Response - 9, This player has been playing for quite some time. Achieving B+'s / B's in ladders, only deservers him a spot in the Tier 2
Neo)Nesh - 10, This Terran has amazing macro/micro management, but I have not heard enough about him yet. Still very strong and quite possibly one of the best T's in USA
LzGamer - 9, This Zerg has had some accomplishments here and there, but nothing to fancy. Only time will tell where this Zerg goes.
SirTasteless9[media] - 8, His lack of self-esteem / pride in own play only hurts him. If he could finally start to begin to play better for victory / take himself more serious he could become better. However for now he is just a good protoss with known rep / best foreign caster alive.
Machine - 8, I've only heard good things about this player, but not enough. Can't really judge him.
Nal_CrayOn - 9, granted this Zerg is Korean, that does not make him a "non-usa player". This Zerg has shown time and time again the is able to compete with Tier 1 / 2 players.
Dino[S.O] - 10, IMO he is severely overestimated. But that does not make him bad. Great macro/micro and very strong PvT/PvP. Very deserving of Tier 2 / possibly 1. If he were to receive Tier 1 then he would get a 8.
City[fOu] - 9, This player was smashed around in wcg, however he does have amazing accomplishments towards the korean scene, which include 3-0'ing [ReD]NaDa through cheesey TvT play, and achieveing A- PGT.
Canada
All Light Members - 8, Team Light is tier 2 in itself.
JianG - 8, Granted he hasn't been too great past yr or two, Jiang still was very good at one point, don't give up on this protoss.
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OK!
I gotta call you on two bullcrap calls.
Probably because their both friends of yours.
#1
Odin[fOu] has pros play on his ID for most games.
He has no real results himself.
#2
City[fOu]
Old friend of mine.
He never got past C @ PGT
He is C- right now iCCup, with maybe a 60% win record.
He NEVER played NaDa, or the real NaDa for that matter.
His only redeeming point is his TvZ, which barely beats my Zerg.
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LOLLMAOROFLCOPTERELITE this mother fucking thread is hilarious are you kids on fucking crack what the fuck are you are you doing giving your opinion if you dont know shit about other players skill level but seeing as i feel very generous i decided to come enlighten my fellow tl.netian brothers on the actual north american scene before i get banned
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CAN, 1st string
testie - 10
ut)choblar(wgt) - 10 o..o
xiaozi - 9 (can be 9.5)
oldy - 9
jf - 8.5
smuft - 8 (if he even still plays, dunno shape)
schism - 7.5 (normally good shape)
zergraptor - 7.5 (depends shape)
bandit - 7.5 (depends shape, can suprise you with his pvt pvp)
ig.reaver - 7 (underated imo, good toss and now lives in canada)
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CAN, 2nd string (i cant rate them because i havnt played much with them to know their skill level but their all good players, so to be fair ill leave it up to the public once again to fuck these ratings up aswell)
freaky[light]
b_saint
simon
coolt
onlyrandom (underated)
target (underated, can be low 1st string)
chosen (dunno)
stalife
chill
jiang
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USA, 1st string
idra - 9 (pvt really fucks your shit up even tho i know its not bad)
skew - 9 (probably more complete than idra mu-wise dunno skillwise tho but pretty close to each other)
assem - 8.5~9 (depends on shape ofc, top shape assem can be dangerous)
day[9] - 8
dino - 8 (puzzle)
crayon - 7.5~8 (underated can be close 8)
nony - 7.5 ~8
g5 - 7.5~8
artosis - 7~7.5
inc - 7~7.5
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USA, 2nd string (like CAN dunno their specific skill level but i've played mostly all of them and their all good players that can cause suprises)
lzgamer (prolly best from 2nd dunno, could be 1st string (6.5ish?))
repent[light] (high second)
ash.city (high second)
nesh
failsafe
louder (people say naughty things about him on iccup, never seen him play but hes B @ iccup)
future
machine
tastleslicious (dont forget my shoutout at blizzcon and enjoy urself)
sugo_v_
city[fou] (low second)
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USA, 3rd string :
Lastshadow - 0.5 (can be 0.5~1 on best shape but pls stop hyping ur friends and bragging about ur newbi rigged map ass on threads cus ur very annoying and have no clue what your writing(giyom - 10....go fucking die), shut ur trap and go hide underneath a rock thx bye)
Odin[fou] - 0.5 (can be 0.5~1 on best shape along with some practice games with his friend lastshadow)
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USA wildcard(good players but i have no idea if they play) :
slog4(dont play no more) theo(inactive) nyoken(dunno but dont play, used to be very strong T) sadist(dunno but dont play)
Latin country's (nobody wrote anything about them but their north america too),
im not really into the scene here but the top players that pop up in my head ofc are lrm)odin, reason, darki .. some of the weaker players who are still good = assault rage blast smacker etc.(again i dont have much knowledge about their scene)
p.s: all these rankings are just reflections of a player's chance of winning vs another player but in a real game everyone knows anything can happen and any game can go either way
SECREST OUT~
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btw lastshadow:
"Oldy - 8, He loses 50/50 to semi-pro koreans and gets slaughtered vs Pros. However his skill is not to go unnoticed."
huh? lmao i dont see how losing 50/50 to semi pros can get a 8 in your eyes.. i guess if we follow your system then testie beats 95% of semi pros correct ?
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lol, ok im in chosens fucking clan he is form america right?? i mean from day 1 when he joined i thought he was american but now a couple of people from this thread say hes from canada. let the truth be told!
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Again, lastshadow of teh preSsuRe fails to impress and life gets all the worse. You make my day.
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Calgary25986 Posts
Chosen is a Canadian living in America. I'm not sure what his citizenship is.
City[Fou] did not 3-0 Nada. I don't know where you heard that but he stuggled in our WGTCL div 2 so he's not an 8.
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Canada9720 Posts
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LastShadow stop posting plz, you make yourself look like an ass everytime. City[fOu] couldn't 3-0 nada if his life depended on it, but he did 2-0 sn_hoony's offrace. I'de agree with iran_no.1, he is low teir 2 player but possibly a little higher or equal to others on that list. I've obbed him take down people as high as incontrol. The only problem with him is his he plays like 1-3 games per week. He has potential, just no will to use it.
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ahh the infamous list from non other than the PRESSURE terran! 
obviously you dont know your stuff putting odin at tier 1, and crayon and dino tier 2 LMAO!! kids a comedian...
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Note that all these are in my opinion.
Terrans= Artosis(7.5);; Skew(9);; Idra(9);; Assem(9.5)
Zergs=InControl(8);; Day(8.5);; Crayon(8.5);; Xiaozi(9)
Protoss=TT1(7.5);; Nony(8);; Dino(9);; Iefnjai(9);; Testie(9.5)
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is assem active at all? any plans?
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latsshadow your list doesn't even make sense in itself (nor is it accurate at all)
you can't put someone in tier2 and say you think they're overrated and then say "if they were tier 1 they'd be an 8" that doesn't make any sense at all
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Some of u guys did a good job at ranking the already known foreigners. But I think what Puerto Rican was trying to get at mainly were(and I remember reading it from the opening post)the "unknown" gosus that no one knew about that can compare or even compete with great foreigners if given the chance. But all he got were 13 pages of crap that he specifically mentioned he didn't want from his beginning post although there were some good onces here. Oh, well good luck with ur tourney PuertoRican.
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Oh I forgot that 95% of TL.net is A+ and can read everyone's skill level accordingly, when in fact all that they do is play ums and or bad low level gamers. Or better yet, think getting top 10 gg.net makes you the best player alive.
And if any of you knew anything, City[fOu] was only allowed into fOu FOR BEATING NADA.
And to the morons that say Odin has people play for him. You can [try] and go beat him yourself. You won't win at all.
And for people saying I'm bad and don't know what i'm talking about, i'd gladly play you anytime.
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On August 03 2007 13:17 lastshadow wrote:
Oh I forgot that 95% of TL.net is A+ and can read everyone's skill level accordingly, when in fact all that they do is play ums and or bad low level gamers. Or better yet, think getting top 10 gg.net makes you the best player alive.
And if any of you knew anything, City[fOu] was only allowed into fOu FOR BEATING NADA.
And to the morons that say Odin has people play for him. You can [try] and go beat him yourself. You won't win at all.
And for people saying I'm bad and don't know what i'm talking about, i'd gladly play you anytime.
Lol.
You're list is garbage as everyone in second tier lists is 8 or above. There are 6 and 7s in your 1st tier, but everyone in tier 2 is 8 or 9...
If Odin DOES have pros play for him, then no one would be playing the real Odin.
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gotta say...this thread makes my day. 
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On August 03 2007 13:17 lastshadow wrote:
Oh I forgot that 95% of TL.net is A+ and can read everyone's skill level accordingly, when in fact all that they do is play ums and or bad low level gamers. Or better yet, think getting top 10 gg.net makes you the best player alive.
And if any of you knew anything, City[fOu] was only allowed into fOu FOR BEATING NADA.
And to the morons that say Odin has people play for him. You can [try] and go beat him yourself. You won't win at all.
And for people saying I'm bad and don't know what i'm talking about, i'd gladly play you anytime.
You ARE bad, I don't have to play you to say that. It's not like we have to play professional sports to be able to comment on professional players. Also, your list IS inaccurate and it has NOTHING to do with people being biased against you. It's only you against the world because you're acting like an idiot.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
lastshadow used a rigged map vs idra and uploaded the game on gg.net >_<
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