EPTYou must consider that a matchup such as carrier vs DT would actually be a tie as the carrier cannot see DT..
What would be the strongest 1v1 UNIT?
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[terGTOss]
Canada46 Posts
You must consider that a matchup such as carrier vs DT would actually be a tie as the carrier cannot see DT.. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
im just.. let me say.. guessing.. without micro 1v1 the best unit is probably.. omg no idea its too complicated but if someone has the time.. make a list and we can find out ^^;; | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
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CrownRoyal
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
EDIT: Well, if you're saying that neither side gets detection, the ghost has the same ability as the wraiths (attacks ground and air, cloak). The nuke takes supply, so is it part of the ghost definition of a spell? | ||
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fonger
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IIICodeIIIIIII
China1101 Posts
i think it's either: lurker, dt, ghost, carrier, wraith carrier will beat ghost imho. ghost don't have enough energy to take down a carrier. but wraith imho beats carrier. and wraith can beat any other stuff too. so i go with wraith. EDIT: ya... dark archon with mind control but dies to dt. | ||
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Slayer91
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IIICodeIIIIIII
China1101 Posts
DA with upgrade is 250 energy right? maelstrom = 100, mindcontrol = 200? shoot, can't maelstrom then mind control. but i guess DA can keep running so it's draw, not loss. | ||
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Flaccid
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
[edit] when i think about it, the dt could just stand in any corner of the map, the DA had no chance of getting him | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28727 Posts
burrow vs all cept vessel and templar build building vs those ;( if you want a serious answer, without special abilities or micro im fairly confident the archon wins 1v1 vs anything, even bc. with special abilities, dark archon beats mostly everything, with exception of wraith that has enough mana to kill it off without uncloaking. with micro and without special abilities, carrier should beat all. | ||
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
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IIICodeIIIIIII
China1101 Posts
On July 16 2007 13:56 Liquid`Drone wrote: the drone can tie or beat every unit too burrow vs all cept vessel and templar build building vs those ;( you mean larvae. larvae > all. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On July 16 2007 13:50 IIICodeIIIIIII wrote: will maelstrom work on dt? DA with upgrade is 250 energy right? maelstrom = 100, mindcontrol = 200? shoot, can't maelstrom then mind control. but i guess DA can keep running so it's draw, not loss. MC is 150, there is plenty of micro maps out there that has some shit like... 1dt and 4 zealot has entered your base. You only have like 1DA and ur suppose to mael everything and MC the DT to finish off the zlot. ~___~ | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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lololol
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
eeeeh no..; ) o.O | ||
Chill
Calgary25990 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On July 16 2007 14:17 hasuprotoss wrote: Well, seeing how nothing can kill it (I'm actually trying to think of one), the observer would tie everything, no? Templar can kill it ~_~ | ||
OneOther
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
every unit owns every other unit, the strategy is circular that's why sc's so pimp you oughta be playing c&c and its super weapons crap | ||
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On July 16 2007 14:27 MYM.Testie wrote: Though with Eri it was a jest, but this should be known. PhiL's thoughts on brood war should never be taken seriously. He has attempted this thread more than once and failed miserably. i never hacked enough to get the huge understanding of the game some others have.. edit : if this is too harsh i'll edit it.. but you probably know im just making fun ; ) And i know how good u are ( even without hack ) haha.. ;P but seriously now.. if u really think im a total noob at this game i have to apologize.. im easily top 50 Germany and probably better than 90% of the guys on teamliquid net.. <3 | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On July 16 2007 14:44 MaGic~PhiL wrote: i never hacked enough to get the huge understanding of the game some others have.. edit : if this is too harsh i'll edit it.. but you probably know im just making fun ; ) And i know how good u are ( even without hack ) haha.. ;P but seriously now.. if u really think im a total noob at this game i have to apologize.. im easily top 50 Germany and probably better than 90% of the guys on teamliquid net.. <3 Did you have imaginary friends as a child? Anyway, taking out all spells and having detection, best unit 1v1 = archon | ||
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Tyrio
United States3248 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On July 16 2007 15:04 Tyrio wrote: No, the Goliath would be everything with simple walk-stop micro. Except for the tank. Everything loses to a golly except for a tank. !? How does a goon lose to a goli if the goon has range !? | ||
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[terGTOss]
Canada46 Posts
So now onto DA vs invisible units. Well, I believe Maelstorm reveals biological units? So basically if that's true then DA would win vs all zerg units, dt, ghost. The only thing it'd have problem with is wraiths and observer ('cause I don't think maelstorm reveals robotic units?) As for vs wraith, a high templar w/ 3 storms might be able to kill it off. Ghost might be able to kill it w/ lockdown (keep in mind ghost could have 2 if there's enough mana). And a burrowed hydra might be able to do damage to the wraith when energy runs out, then burrow and repeat, since hydra regenerates I think wraith has the lower hand? HT also could win vs most, with storm capable of dealing damages to air, ground, cloak, noncloak, biological, robotic, whatever. Just have to be able to kill off before it dies. So DA Wraith Temp prolly the top 3 IMHO. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
he wont win vs a properl microed dt, ultralisk, carrier,well basicaly ht is fucked vs soo much.. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Ghost can't beat Wraith. If they both cloak, they both run out of energy at the same time, then ghost loses, and if ghost stays uncloaked it simply dies. Wraith can't beat a properly microed hydralisk, it can lose vs HT, even vs a dragoon if it manages to stay alive, and ties against DT/obs. Without the DA, I'd give it to the wraith though. Removing special abilities, carrier in case you can go over unwalkable terrain. | ||
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
On July 16 2007 14:42 mikeymoo wrote: Ghost > Carrier if it has all upgrades and lockdown, no? Doesn't ghost do like 1 damage to a carrier with full upgrades? | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
I coulda swore there was a video for this somewhere. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
On July 16 2007 13:46 IIICodeIIIIIII wrote: there's only 2 important factors - whether it cloaks, and whether it is air. i think it's either: lurker, dt, ghost, carrier, wraith carrier will beat ghost imho. ghost don't have enough energy to take down a carrier. but wraith imho beats carrier. and wraith can beat any other stuff too. so i go with wraith. EDIT: ya... dark archon with mind control but dies to dt. malestrom + mc =) | ||
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Ruins
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
Now wraith is tricky. it depends how the fight is set. do the units see each other since beginning? if so, assuming no other aids, that means wraith is in range of mind control, meaning DA wins. If not, wraith will have to find the DA then cloak, since wraith can't stay cloaked forever and just look around -- means it has to be visible at least until it sees the DA, meaning the DA sees it and mind controls. Now let's assume somehow a cloaked wraith got within attacking range of a DA. with wraith's shitty anti-ground attack and da's regenerating shields, it's plausible (anyone wanna test?) that DA can live until wraith runs out at which point it's gg wraith. so DA even possibly (likely?) beats wraith and ties with obs. we have a winner  without da, random fun ideas: medic against anything visible can flare and never be found again.. >_> queen can ensnare anything and run around like an idiot (one of the fastest units in the game?) and pretty much tie everything it can't broodling | ||
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Scorpion
United States1974 Posts
I'd have to go with the Dragoon. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On July 16 2007 18:17 Scorpion wrote: no its scourge, it dies to everything and even kills itself when it attacks. But since it has less HP than an infested terran it wins.In contrast, what do you think is the worst 1v1 unit? I'd have to go with the Dragoon. | ||
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
On July 16 2007 18:17 Scorpion wrote: In contrast, what do you think is the worst 1v1 unit? I'd have to go with the Dragoon. without micro? dragoon would still be beating shit like vulture/goliath/marine/workers/firebat/hydra etc. with micro dragoon would do even better vs like adrenaling or ultra or idk | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
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Hot_Bid
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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KwarK
United States43343 Posts
On July 16 2007 13:50 IIICodeIIIIIII wrote: will maelstrom work on dt? DA with upgrade is 250 energy right? maelstrom = 100, mindcontrol = 200? shoot, can't maelstrom then mind control. but i guess DA can keep running so it's draw, not loss. Or we can use mind control for 150. That's what I do. | ||
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LuMiX
China5757 Posts
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
On July 16 2007 18:59 Hot_Bid wrote: soul hunter hahaha | ||
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teh leet newb
United States1999 Posts
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
On July 16 2007 18:17 Scorpion wrote: In contrast, what do you think is the worst 1v1 unit? I'd have to go with the Dragoon. Marine / Defiler. | ||
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CustomXSpunjah
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mk..))
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anyway I think its DA. | ||
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
On July 16 2007 18:20 CharlieMurphy wrote: no its scourge, it dies to everything and even kills itself when it attacks. But since it has less HP than an infested terran it wins. probably the best answer so far... i think this solves the worst unit question, but the best unit question is still debatable | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
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Skittled
United States160 Posts
so dumb... rofl. you'd see this conversation in a public channel and everyone of you would jump at the chance to rip on them. | ||
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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SoDrunk
United Kingdom291 Posts
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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-Groove
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For thisdoesntreallyfuckingmatter purposes, lets say 1gas = 2minerals? Diff categories DA is excluded Cloaked units are excluded Air vs Air Air vs Ground Ground vs Ground | ||
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ygor
Slovakia246 Posts
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GodsDevil[5thF]
Romania622 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On July 17 2007 04:09 GodsDevil[5thF] wrote: DarkArhon , mc = gg :D no, cloaked wraith kills it. | ||
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_Grazze_
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Wrathierghoarcho | ||
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
On July 17 2007 03:35 Luddite wrote: I'm surprised no one has brought up the science vessel. It can kill any zerg unit, even if it's burrowed. It can kill DTs and HTs. Also, it will tie vs DA, since it can just keep EMPing the DA before the DA has enough mana to use mind control. It can also run away from most things that could kill it like dragoon, carrier, BC, etc. DA can just use feedback to slowly kill the vessel ;O also EMP missile travels slow and not that great range so MC would probably hit first it's decent but for example the DA is basically beating everything it does and more, and running away isn't a great strategy if it's not super fast and can't heal/regen | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On July 16 2007 13:39 CrownRoyal wrote: it's not even a competition, a cloaked wraith wins every fight it gets in. against a full energy templar and someone who can aim pretty okay? | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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Fox
United States408 Posts
On July 16 2007 13:56 Liquid`Drone wrote: the drone can tie or beat every unit too burrow vs all cept vessel and templar build building vs those ;( if you want a serious answer, without special abilities or micro im fairly confident the archon wins 1v1 vs anything, even bc. with special abilities, dark archon beats mostly everything, with exception of wraith that has enough mana to kill it off without uncloaking. with micro and without special abilities, carrier should beat all. pfft you said you can build vs those two. So are we assuming that money is involved! if that's the case probe can build shit if he can hid from that slow moving carrier. Make like cannons and stuff! | ||
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Luckystoops
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On July 16 2007 13:45 fonger wrote: Dark archon with mind control? =) I think he is right. | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
Archon vs Battlecruiser ----- Archon Archon vs Carrier--------- Archon Archon vs Guardian ------- Archon Archon vs Cloaked Wraith ----- Archon ( wraiths mana can't last long enough will get down to 50 hp / 10 on archon. the chon will shoot 5 times and seal GG) Archon vs Sci Vessle ----- CLOSE but too bad irradiate doesnt kill a chon  EMP for the GG on shield. Goes to ArchonAir vs Ground winner : Archon Ground vs Ground Archon vs Reaver --- Archon Archon vs Siege tank --- Archon Archon vs Dark Templar --- Dark Templar Dark Templar vs HT --- 50/50 Psi storm have 4 shots. HT vs Hydralisk --- HT 2 lings vs HT --- HT HT vs Archon --- Archon Ghost vs Archon --- If goes has nuke its win. If not still win.--- Ghost Ghost vs DT --- Nuke, otherwise 25/75. Ghost vs HT --- HT Ground vs Ground winner: TIE: Archon/DarkTemplar Air vs Air BattleCruiser vs Carrier--- Battlecruiser( yamato anyone?) BattleCruiser vs Cloaked Wraith --- 250 mana is just too much for the BC to handle, GG Wraith Cloaked Wraith vs Carrier --- 250 mana is just too much for the Carrier, GG Wraith Devourer vs BattleCruiser --- BattleCruiser ( yamato?) Devourer vs Carrier --- Carrier, 8 intercepters are just too much for this zerg unit. Scout vs BattleCruiser --- BattleCruiser, 500 HP is just too much for the slow attacking powerunit Scout... and theres yamato Corsair vs Scout --- Scout, without its pack, corsairs are useless vs this titan Wraith vs Scout --- Wraith, cloak is just too much Wraith vs Corsair --- Wraith, Cloak is just too much Wraith vs Devourer --- Cloak is just too much Mothership vs All Air units ---- Mothership, black hole is just too imba for these m/u's. Air vs Air Winner: Wraith 4 Champions Archon Archon/DarkTemplar Wraith MotherShip EDIT: WE HAVE A NEW WINNER. Dark Archon > All. Mind Control is too imba, even for the mothership to handle. | ||
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ReTrooper
Germany526 Posts
Stealth power!  | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
Air - Carrier Tested it. No Micro involved. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5522 Posts
On July 17 2007 09:51 lastshadow wrote: Dark Archon > All. Mind Control is too imba, even for the mothership to handle. Sad thing is, DA is probably one of the most underused units in the game. | ||
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Pwntrucci[sR]
Canada1519 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On July 17 2007 15:07 Pwntrucci[sR] wrote: What about the ultralisk?... Loses to all air units that can attack ground. Loses to some ground units like Lurker, DA, DT, Archon, Vulture /w mines + micro. A better question would be the best unit combo given X/X resources vs another unit combo given equal resources. | ||
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goomba
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XDawn
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Kau
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
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near
United States281 Posts
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-Sky-
Bulgaria284 Posts
But with upgrade Dark Archon because of the Mind Contorl and if we put that away with detection and Yamato BattleCruser>all | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On July 16 2007 13:46 IIICodeIIIIIII wrote: there's only 2 important factors - whether it cloaks, and whether it is air. i think it's either: lurker, dt, ghost, carrier, wraith carrier will beat ghost imho. ghost don't have enough energy to take down a carrier. but wraith imho beats carrier. and wraith can beat any other stuff too. so i go with wraith. EDIT: ya... dark archon with mind control but dies to dt. Dark Archon doesn't die to DT; just Maelstrom wherever it is, and then Mind Control it | ||
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