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Im probably gonna forget people. But here goes: Zerg: 1. Jaedong 2. sAviOr 3. Effort 4. Julyzerg 5. Calm 6. Zero 7. Yarnc 8. Chojja 9. Yellow 10. Gorush
Protoss: 1. Bisu 2. Stork 3. Nal_Ra 4. Jangbi 5. Best 6. Garimto 7. Reach 8. Intotherain 9. Kingdom 10. Anytime
Terran: 1. Flash 2. Nada 3. iloveoov 4. Boxer 5. Fantasy 6. Xellos 7. Hwasin 8. Light 9. Mind 10. Skyhigh
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Hum ok so I'll give this a try.
Protoss: Nal_rA Reach Bisu JangBi Anytime Kal Movie Snow Stork Best
Terran: Flash Nada Fantasy iloveoov Light Iris Leta ForGG Xellos Hiya
Zerg: Savior Jaedong EffOrt Chojja Hydra July Soulkey Hyuk Zero SoO
It would be cool if there was some sort of count on this. I might do that later today o.O
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Used number of individual titles as main criteria, prominence of the title and how advanced was BW at the time as tiebreakers. I think what is most important is how the player compared, in terms of number of titles, to his contemporaries, i.e. to those who had similar fundamental conditions (training time with good partners, knowledge of build orders, motivation etc.). If this generates a tie, then prominence of titles should be checked and, if a tie is reached again, how complex was the meta at the time of titles, which I measure through the age of the game itself.
Protoss 1- Bisu 2- JangBi 3- GARIMTO 4- Nal_rA 5- Stork 6- Anytime 7- Reach 8- Kingdom 9- Grrrr... 10- Rain
Terran 1- Flash 2- NaDa 3- iloveoov 4- Boxer 5- FanTaSy 6- Casy 7- Sync 8- XellOs 9- forGG 10- Mind
Zerg 1- Jaedong 2- sAviOr 3- July 4- EffOrt 5- GGPlay 6- Freemura 7- Hydra 8- Calm 9- Luxury 10- ChoJJa
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I can't complain about the Terran and Zerg picks in the OP but I feel like somebody being squeezed out of the Protoss top 10 to make room for Rain is necessary. What an absolute beast.
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On October 01 2020 02:55 dUTtrOACh wrote: I can't complain about the Terran and Zerg picks in the OP but I feel like somebody being squeezed out of the Protoss top 10 to make room for Rain is necessary. What an absolute beast.
I didn't put much value/weight on the post-KeSPA era in my rankings. I just think that the absence of team houses and the practicing environments they established were extremely important in bringing up the full potential of players with respect to their eras. If I'm not mistaken, in the early 2000s up until BW went ASL, team houses were being utilized. Now it seems like a player's practice is hindered by their family life, streaming duties, etc. This goes especially for former pros who are just older and have families they need to tend to.
With that being said, I think if Rain had prospered a year earlier in the KeSPA era, he probably would've been an OSL/MSL champion. What I'll also say about Rain is that he's one of the few protoss players, alongside Stats and Classic, who were great in both SC2 and BW.
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Jangbi underrated. He was better than Bisu. Easily #1 toss.
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On October 01 2020 20:17 RowdierBob wrote: Jangbi underrated. He was better than Bisu. Easily #1 toss.
Not at Bo5's against Bisu though.
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Terran:
FlaSh NaDa iloveoov BoxeR FanTaSy XellOs Sea Mind Light ForGG
Protoss:
Bisu JangBi GARIMTO Nal_rA Stork Reach Anytime free BeSt KaL
Zerg:
Jaedong EffOrt sAviOr July Yellow ZerO GoRush Soulkey GGplay ChoJJa
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I shed some tears after rereading BoxeRs "Crazy As Me" after so many years. There can't be someone above The Emperor, HE/HIM. Lim Yo Hwan 4ever hwaiting.
+ Show Spoiler +And by the way why the fuck anyone would change that oldschool BoxeR picture on BW liqupedia to SC2 one? C'mon, if you guys don't have anything to add don't ruin it!!!
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On October 01 2020 20:17 RowdierBob wrote: Jangbi underrated. He was better than Bisu. Easily #1 toss.
Definitely
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On October 02 2020 08:08 Essbee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2020 20:17 RowdierBob wrote: Jangbi underrated. He was better than Bisu. Easily #1 toss. Definitely
Come on no way Jangbi has a better p v z than Bisu. How do you assert this?
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On October 02 2020 05:14 outscar wrote: And by the way why the fuck anyone would change that oldschool BoxeR picture on BW liqupedia to SC2 one? C'mon, if you guys don't have anything to add don't ruin it!! The old picture had to be removed due to missing license information
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On October 02 2020 15:21 iFU.pauline wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2020 08:08 Essbee wrote:On October 01 2020 20:17 RowdierBob wrote: Jangbi underrated. He was better than Bisu. Easily #1 toss. Definitely Come on no way Jangbi has a better p v z than Bisu. How do you assert this?
Jangbi's peak PvZ is closer to Bisu's than Bisu's peak PvT is to Jangbi's. As for PvP, I don't think it matters since it's strangely been Jangbi > Stork > Bisu > Jangbi
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Top 10 is a little bit too crazy, top 3 is more managable. T: 1.FlaSh 2.NaDa 3.SlayerS_`BoxeR` P: 1.Bisu 2.Nal_rA 3.Stork Z: 1.Jaedong 2.JulyZerg 3.EffOrt
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On October 03 2020 00:00 Essbee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2020 15:21 iFU.pauline wrote:On October 02 2020 08:08 Essbee wrote:On October 01 2020 20:17 RowdierBob wrote: Jangbi underrated. He was better than Bisu. Easily #1 toss. Definitely Come on no way Jangbi has a better p v z than Bisu. How do you assert this? Jangbi's peak PvZ is closer to Bisu's than Bisu's peak PvT is to Jangbi's. As for PvP, I don't think it matters since it's strangely been Jangbi > Stork > Bisu > Jangbi
Why not, the reasoning is ok to me, still pretty tight imo, I was surprised with the "easily" word.
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On October 03 2020 01:29 iFU.pauline wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2020 00:00 Essbee wrote:On October 02 2020 15:21 iFU.pauline wrote:On October 02 2020 08:08 Essbee wrote:On October 01 2020 20:17 RowdierBob wrote: Jangbi underrated. He was better than Bisu. Easily #1 toss. Definitely Come on no way Jangbi has a better p v z than Bisu. How do you assert this? Jangbi's peak PvZ is closer to Bisu's than Bisu's peak PvT is to Jangbi's. As for PvP, I don't think it matters since it's strangely been Jangbi > Stork > Bisu > Jangbi Why not, the reasoning is ok to me, still pretty tight imo, I was surprised with the "easily" word.
Judging strictly by talent level, I'd say it's somewhat "easy". But if you include career achievements and overall stats, then it's not "easy" anymore. I'd say Jangbi's peak showed his ridiculous mind for the game and overall talent in macro, micro and being able to use the full arsenal of protoss units to dismantle the best zergs and terrans alike. I don't think any other protoss player even came close to that level (maybe Afreeca era Rain?). Jangbi truly embraced the strength that is the protoss' race unpredictability by being good with every unit the race has to offer. It's just sad that he struggled with confidence for the vast majority of his career
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On September 30 2020 16:30 nurle wrote: Im probably gonna forget people. But here goes: Zerg: 1. Jaedong 2. sAviOr 3. Effort 4. Julyzerg 5. Calm 6. Zero 7. Yarnc 8. Chojja 9. Yellow 10. Gorush
Protoss: 1. Bisu 2. Stork 3. Nal_Ra 4. Jangbi 5. Best 6. Garimto 7. Reach 8. Intotherain 9. Kingdom 10. Anytime
Terran: 1. Flash 2. Nada 3. iloveoov 4. Boxer 5. Fantasy 6. Xellos 7. Hwasin 8. Light 9. Mind 10. Skyhigh
wasn't yellow[arnc]...sAviOr though? am I going crazy? Did i falsely believe that?
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On October 03 2020 06:24 Terrifyer wrote: Omg...I am crazy.
That is yellow Luxury's brother. How did you confuse him with savior? xD
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