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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-25 10:07:38
August 25 2021 09:49 GMT
#641
There is plenty of imbalance on BGH to go around :D

Worst imbalance would be original The Hunters. Just wow :D

Just to name a few:
[image loading]

Comparing to BGH:
[image loading]

Im not complaining, The Hunters however is unplayable.
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ash.]Rancor[
Profile Joined December 2020
Germany29 Posts
August 25 2021 11:59 GMT
#642
Hey, game is missing:

24.08.21 - 12:54 CET game length: 11:10.
Hatred outlives the hateful.
Tempest(DLS)
Profile Joined June 2021
United Kingdom16 Posts
August 25 2021 21:54 GMT
#643
On August 10 2021 21:12 Peeano wrote:
I gotta say this is quite fun, much more fun than playing vs a stacked home team with 2 random allies.

I've played about 40 games now and I found that players under 1100~1200mmr generally are not very reliable allies. The auto balancing is really a pain if you get 2 E/F rank allies vs 3x B rank for example. At that point it is basically 1v3. I honestly feel like dodging those matches by now, the only reason I haven't so far is so you can get better data.

In retrospect I do enjoy playing with D~C rank allies vs B~A, because I can usually boss them around I can advise and command them and have a bit more control of the game outcome. It gives you that same feel of fighting a stacked home team with 2 random allies except now your allies are actually willing to listen to you simply because you carry the stamp of a higher rank. I find that kind of ironic. Anyway, it has been a fun experience. Thank you for running this.

The 5 minute rule seems fair, although some games can be over in about 4 minutes, this is mostly true for the 11 vs 12 case. Luckily I haven't noticed any people abusing the timer rules yet (but then again I only became aware of this rule after I had played the majority of my games).


bumping this because I feel it got lost in complaints about the balance of the map but I think it makes solid points.

There's a massive gap between EF / CD rank players in terms of communication you can expect from them, I agree that an AEF v BBB team may look balanced by points but it certainly doesn't feel that way in game.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28727 Posts
August 26 2021 00:18 GMT
#644
if it's AEF and BBB, my experience is the bot will make it ABF vs BBE anyway..

SFF vs BCC happens and is difficult, though. But also fun. :D
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Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines595 Posts
August 26 2021 02:13 GMT
#645
literally no one good tank drops in a high level BGH inny, because everyone knows how to counter it. in pretty much all Test Your Might BGH tournament matches, not once is it ever used. the only reason you might be seeing it a lot from good players is because they remember accounts of people who don't know how to beat it.
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Tempest(DLS)
Profile Joined June 2021
United Kingdom16 Posts
August 27 2021 22:53 GMT
#646
On August 26 2021 09:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
SFF vs BCC happens and is difficult, though. But also fun. :D


Thank for this comment, and I mean that honestly.

Past few weeks I've been getting annoyed at games that seem imbalanced against me, or quitting when they look difficult and worrying about winning. Rather than looking at them as a challenge and making sure I play them as best as I can and try to lead the team when they're lacking direction, and enjoying the difficult games.

That mindset difference, it's important, and I think it has impact on other areas of life too. I'm trying to remember that lately.

Once again, thank you.
Qvark
Profile Joined October 2002
Sweden185 Posts
August 28 2021 14:15 GMT
#647
Thanks for keeping the bot running. Have you considered/tried making it not go if some player is < 3 network bars?
I know it warns about lag, but doesn't kick anyone for it.
Davvve
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-12 07:30:22
September 12 2021 07:20 GMT
#648
Wasnt Trismegist banned?

Any good reason you cant ban using their battlenet tag?

By adding them like /f a *name* you get their battlenet tag in battle.net app "show friend requests".

[image loading]

Its a big flaw that you can just make a new name on bnet and keep playing like nothing happened. Ban their bnet tag and they need to buy the game again and by that will feel the ban and not do anything cheaty again.

Obviously this guy has the mindset of a cheater so he will keep doing it in some form.

Sorry for the rant, i just cant stand cheaters so i quit. Sorry for that.

[image loading]

[image loading]
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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
September 12 2021 09:42 GMT
#649
Ban appeal: KoronaKing

First game he threatens me and his threat is to leave the game and ruin for everybody:
https://file.io/5g6WbnVs85Hd

Next game he says he just dont care about ban from BGHmmr so he basically does nothing the whole game than build cannons around his base:
https://file.io/Ykdl34MO3GZ4

Thx in advance. Read the text in the replays to understand context. Also says in game lobby he has many accounts so he doesnt care about ban. Geez.
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D3AD-R3TARD
Profile Joined April 2020
Poland310 Posts
September 16 2021 10:53 GMT
#650
On September 12 2021 16:20 MeSaber wrote:
Wasnt Trismegist banned?

Any good reason you cant ban using their battlenet tag?

By adding them like /f a *name* you get their battlenet tag in battle.net app "show friend requests".

[image loading]

Its a big flaw that you can just make a new name on bnet and keep playing like nothing happened. Ban their bnet tag and they need to buy the game again and by that will feel the ban and not do anything cheaty again.

Obviously this guy has the mindset of a cheater so he will keep doing it in some form.

Sorry for the rant, i just cant stand cheaters so i quit. Sorry for that.

[image loading]

[image loading]


Trismegist is banned, but Trismagic isn't.

But if Trismagic will do anything that is forbidden, just report him, and he will have to get the next 50 games to play. That is usually a good deterrent.

In order to ban by battle tag, I need a way to always get given player's battletag in lobby. The method that you described requires battlenet app. That's problem number one. The second problem is that if the bot is already friends with someone, there will be no request as far as I know. So I don't think it's going to work.

On September 12 2021 18:42 MeSaber wrote:
Ban appeal: KoronaKing

First game he threatens me and his threat is to leave the game and ruin for everybody:
https://file.io/5g6WbnVs85Hd

Next game he says he just dont care about ban from BGHmmr so he basically does nothing the whole game than build cannons around his base:
https://file.io/Ykdl34MO3GZ4

Thx in advance. Read the text in the replays to understand context. Also says in game lobby he has many accounts so he doesnt care about ban. Geez.


Well KoronaKing as an E player so doing nothing but cannons is kinda common strategy for this level of players. As for threatening to leave, I think it is a good reason to ban, but I need replay id in the system. I don't ban people based on uploaded replay files because I need to make sure that the game was hosted by bot.

Both those post talk about people not caring about getting banned. I can further increase the minimal number of games played to join lobby to something like a 100. I'm only worried it might deter new players.

https://bghmmr.eu
SpaNiarD
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Spain351 Posts
September 21 2021 23:13 GMT
#651
This Korona guy (in my game his name was KoronaVirus) just keeps being so annoying.
In this game, he started building hidden pylons instead of leaving the game. You can check this replay, because he really deserves a ban...:
https://repmastered.app/game/kkFmj0fQNcRrCJffqPHBgqsNZtbEwFIGlvs4AvZiJMI

About increasing the minimum number of games to 100, I hope you don't do that. People like me that mostly plays ranked games wouldn't be able to join anymore :/
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-22 14:41:00
September 22 2021 04:31 GMT
#652
Btw the homepage is down (errors).

Edit: Works now.
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Deleted User 556753
Profile Joined December 2020
126 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-23 19:40:19
September 23 2021 19:33 GMT
#653
Trismagic is obviously working together with lexxi, just as he did it before as Trismegist with different ally accounts.

I just noticed him joining games and leaving before or just after start, if lexxi not in there or lexxi being in the same team like him. He only stays in game, when lexxi is on other team. Probably just to do the same teamkilling abusing shit like in the past.

His recent 7 games all show him being in the winning team and lexxi in the losing team, losing tons of points, as he had only 1/10 in points in the games he played, as every other player. Just check his recent games on the bghmmr page.

http://bghmmr.eu/player.php?player=Trismagic

e.g. those 3 games in a row:

http://bghmmr.eu/replayInfo/20210920/193212,(8)Big Game Hunters.jpg
http://bghmmr.eu/replayInfo/20210919/135500,! (8) Big Game Hunters.jpg
http://bghmmr.eu/replayInfo/20210919/121321,! (8) Big Game Hunters.jpg


And yeah, his account name is Trismegist, just looked it up in the channel he is in (Brood War En-1)... should be well enough for another ban imo
MAVERICK2
Profile Joined September 2021
3 Posts
September 23 2021 21:09 GMT
#654
If you want to make a really good balance just put APM border the same way like +50 games to play bgh Mmr ! |
For example, 90% of the players with 60-90 APM just ruing the game if in the game 5 of 6 players are with 150AMP or higher. You must agree that with apm 60-90 your movement are just on slow-motion like hell..
So i suggest and highly recommend :
1.Make a bot for beginners LESS THAN 50 games and lower than 150APM
2. Bot for semi-pro/pro players +50 games and higher than 150- APM
Someone will say : AMP is not a factor but is if someone shows me a really good player with a lower of 150apm I will give him 100$ :D !
Think about it and make it happen!
Ps If some of the bosses of Broodwar read this message, please at the end of every season make a prize for the best 4 ranked players ! Im sure for Blizzard with billions net worth is nothing to play for example 10k - 20k every season for the best players!
Make this game GREAT AGAIN :D :D :D
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-24 07:23:10
September 24 2021 07:14 GMT
#655
Ehm.. Maverick2.. Its not hard to fake low apm as a good player. It would for sure destroy noobie games.

Ive played with Lexxi before and from what i can make of it hes NOT Trismegist on another count. Hes legit good player IMO. I could be wrong but i havent gotten any trismegist vibes from him.

Thats very strange though that Lexxi from nowhere starts playing with 30-60 apm when hes mainly 160-200.

http://bghmmr.eu/player.php?player=Iexxi

Could it be that Lexxi is Trismegist and not the other way around, fooling around?

I.e acting silly as trismegist while letting Lexxi account be legit. The apm suggest so as Trismegist sometimes from nowhere starts playing with Lexxi apm.

I guess mmr admin has more insight on this as he got the data :D
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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-24 07:26:50
September 24 2021 07:24 GMT
#656
How is EAPM calculated?

Does it use the same formula as BWChart?

Ive seen EAPM above 270 while having 300 APM from ingame screen, thats why i ask. That just seems impossible without spam xD
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Rosettenzerrung
Profile Joined February 2021
21 Posts
September 24 2021 17:08 GMT
#657
Has somebody else got the same experience with )pro()bot( ?

Game:
3x3 Big Game Hunters match played on 2021-09-24 17:43

pro()bot( offends in one tour Although nothing mentionable happened: facking noob, idiot and so on.
MAVERICK2
Profile Joined September 2021
3 Posts
September 24 2021 20:50 GMT
#658
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MAVERICK2
Profile Joined September 2021
3 Posts
September 24 2021 20:53 GMT
#659
Guess what happens here! I was playing with tonzl3r in the team...
This guy does not belong in-game with such APM
wimpwimpwimp
Profile Joined May 2012
171 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-25 08:10:50
September 25 2021 08:10 GMT
#660
On September 25 2021 05:53 MAVERICK2 wrote:
Guess what happens here! I was playing with tonzl3r in the team...
This guy does not belong in-game with such APM


Why?

Teams are put together on the basis of mmr, and like everyone else's, this guy's standing in the ladder will reflect his ability to contribute to and win games. Compared to a similarly ranked player with a higher output of useful actions, he will undoubtedly have other traits and qualities to make up for his deficiencies in clicking speed.

And as for your suggestions regarding mmr-capped leagues, this idea has no merit whatsoever. Frankly I think you grossly overestimate the APM requirements of a typical Brood War team game. It will be trivial for a competent player of around 110 APM to reach S-rank in this ladder, while you yourself seems to be severely underperforming relative to your APM - statistically speaking.
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